How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:00 am

I already said I don't know.

Smiths is a good source of information, as is iamwhomiam and many others.

If we could just steer clear of the ad hominems.

I don't tink nuclear is the way to go, not the dirty stuff they currently use anyway.

Renewables for da win.

Wind, solar, tidal etc, combined with micro generation.

Or even better accelerate release of hidden exotic tech as quickly as possible.

That's if they've got any.

It seems to me that the whole world is doing its best to ignore the situation. I can't quite figure that one out. Collective death wish maybe?


What are you doing about it Sounder?

You personally, I mean.

Do you have a death wish?

I don't.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Sounder » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:56 am

Thanks for the link Ben

Yes I am a bozo sometimes HoL.

To you, I may try to explain 'what I'm trying to do about it', maybe in a PM.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:16 pm

Hammer of Los » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:00 pm wrote:I already said I don't know.

Hammer...yes...indeed the cosmos is as it is....the more evolved forms of creation are always organized along a centralised theme...from galaxies with their central black holes, to star systems with their central suns, to planets with their central cores, to humans with their central heart and stomachs. It is therefore natural for human society to intuit from nature the most logical and economic way to evolve accordingly...hence our energy production is so heavily centralized...all so natural...it couldn't be any other way.
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Re: White man salvation syndrome

Postby DrEvil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:41 pm

Sounder » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:19 pm wrote:smiths wrote...
and it was urgent long before the IPCC formed


Yes, urgent long before the IPCC, yet this IPCC is affiliated with the 200 largest corporations and Agenda 21. (At least in my mind, correct me if I'm wrong.)


You're wrong. The ipcc is manned by government officials from the member countries, and the working groups are made up of scientists who volunteer. A number of NGO's have observer status. Here's the list (pdf): http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ipcc-principles/ ... ervers.pdf

PS! Agenda 21 is not the boogeyman you're looking for.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby slimmouse » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:25 pm

I often wonder if I wouldnt be tempted to "Volunteer" for the IPCC panel, if deep down inside, I fully fuking understood that my current tenure, along with my current lifestyle, and that of my family was assured by it.

This may well involve my own personal carbon footprint exceeding that which the 99% are expected to adhere too, but you know....

So Yes. I need to inform people that it is beyond doubt that a one part in ten thousand change in the planets atmosphere, is responsible for just about any amout of shit you can think of.

People also need to understand that all known alternatives to Oil, Gas, and Nuclear are way too expensive.

Cos you see, All the alternatives have been tried. Every last one of them !!!!

If such lunacy wasnt so fuking funny in 2014, you might be tempted to weep.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby justdrew » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:50 pm

slimmouse » 30 Apr 2014 09:25 wrote:I often wonder if I wouldnt be tempted to "Volunteer" for the IPCC panel, if deep down inside, I fully fuking understood that my current tenure, along with my current lifestyle, and that of my family was assured by it.

This may well involve my own personal carbon footprint exceeding that which the 99% are expected to adhere too, but you know....

So Yes. I need to inform people that it is beyond doubt that a one part in ten thousand change in the planets atmosphere, is responsible for just about any amout of shit you can think of.

People also need to understand that all known alternatives to Oil, Gas, and Nuclear are way too expensive.

Cos you see, All the alternatives have been tried. Every last one of them !!!!

If such lunacy wasnt so fuking funny in 2014, you might be tempted to weep.


yes, and while we're at it, let's pretend there is no such thing as "economy of scale"

surely the cost of producing the first thousand solar panels in a one-off factory is TOTALLY indicative of what the cost would be per-panel of making a billion in standardized factories.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu May 01, 2014 4:52 pm

Climate change: Pacific Ocean acidity dissolving shells of key species

By Paul Rogers

Posted: 04/30/2014

In a troubling new discovery, scientists studying ocean waters off California, Oregon and Washington have found the first evidence that increasing acidity in the ocean is dissolving the shells of a key species of tiny sea creature at the base of the food chain.

The animals, a type of free-floating marine snail known as pteropods, are an important food source for salmon, herring, mackerel and other fish in the Pacific Ocean. Those fish are eaten not only by millions of people every year, but also by a wide variety of other sea creatures, from whales to dolphins to sea lions.

If the trend continues, climate change scientists say, it will imperil the ocean environment.
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An unhealthy pterapod whose shell is dissolving due to rising levels of oceanic acidity. (NOAA/Steve Ringman)

"These are alarm bells," said Nina Bednarsek, a scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Seattle who helped lead the research. "This study makes us understand that we have made an impact on the ocean environment to the extent where we can actually see the shells dissolving right now."

Scientists from NOAA and Oregon State University found that in waters near the West Coast shoreline, 53 percent of the tiny floating snails had shells that were severely dissolving -- double the estimate from 200 years ago.

Until now, the impact on marine species from increasing ocean acidity because of climate change has been something that was tested in tanks in labs, but which was not considered an immediate concern such as forest fires and droughts.

The new study, published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, a scientific journal based in England, changes that.

"The pteropods are like the canary in the coal mine. If this is affecting them, it is affecting everything in the ocean at some level," said one of the nation's top marine biologists, Steve Palumbi, director of Stanford University's Hopkins Marine Station in Pacific Grove.

The vast majority of the world's scientists -- including those at NOAA, NASA, the National Academy of Sciences and the World Meteorological Organization -- say the Earth's temperature is rising because of humans burning fossil fuels like oil and coal. That burning pumps carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and traps heat, similar to a greenhouse. Concentrations of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere have increased 25 percent since 1960 and are now at the highest levels in at least 800,000 years, according to measurements of air bubbles taken in ancient ice and other methods.

Many of the impacts are already being felt. Since the 1880s, when modern temperature records were first taken, the 10 hottest years have all occurred since 1998. Polar ice has melted, forest fires are burning in the West with increasing frequency, and the ocean has risen 8 inches since 1900 at the Golden Gate Bridge.

But what many people do not realize is that nearly a third of carbon dioxide emitted by humans is dissolved in the oceans. Some of that forms carbonic acid, which makes the ocean more corrosive.

Over the past 200 years, the ocean's acidity has risen by roughly 30 percent. At the present rate, it is on track to rise by 70 percent by 2050 from preindustrial levels.

More acidic water can harm oysters, clams, corals and other species that have calcium carbonate shells. Generally speaking, increasing the acidity by 50 percent from current levels is enough to kill some marine species, tests in labs have shown.

The new research on the marine snails does not show that increasingly acidic water is killing all of them, particularly older snails. But it is causing their shells to dissolve, which can make them more vulnerable to disease, slow their ability to evade predators and reduce their reproductive rates, the researchers said.

Some of the corrosive water near the shore could be a result of other types of pollution, such as runoff from fertilizer and sewage, said Stanford's Palumbi, who was not involved in the NOAA research. But because the study found rates of the snails' shells dissolving in deep water, far from the shore, human-caused carbon dioxide is the prime suspect, he added.

If people reduce emissions of fossil fuels, cutting carbon dioxide levels in the decades ahead, the damage to the oceans can still be limited, he said.

"But if we keep on the emissions profile we have now, by 2100 the oceans will be so harmed it's hard to imagine them coming back from that in anything less than thousands of years," Palumbi said.

"We are in a century of choice," he said. "We can choose the way we want it to go."
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby justdrew » Fri May 02, 2014 2:07 am


New Zealand: Commercial Solar Boom Underway
May 1st, 2014

The crooked power companies have gone too far. With electricity demand flat and prices nearly doubling since 2000, people are fighting back.

This is just the beginning.

What we’re dealing with in New Zealand is sort of mini, South Pacific version of Enron.

I’ll have a lot more to write about this, but I want to wait until I have the pictures to go with it. *hint*

Via: New Zealand Herald:

The rapid growth of solar in New Zealand’s commercial market has begun with economic viability proven and systems put to a myriad of uses throughout the country.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby smiths » Fri May 02, 2014 7:10 am

pick your poison

is it acidifying oceans dissolving the shells, or is it perhaps the nuclear cloud that has descended across the pacific ocean settling on the West Coast of Canada and America?

the problem we have is that we are killing life in so many ways its hard to work out in any given situation which poison of the industrialized world is responsible
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri May 02, 2014 1:35 pm

And that's why the workers of the world need to go on strike. We need to pull the plug and put our time and energy into developing solar, wind and micro-hydro. We need to attack as though we were at war; as though our lives were being threatened by war and our very survival depended upon immediate decisive unified action. Seriously.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby slimmouse » Fri May 02, 2014 1:50 pm

Thanks Iam who Iam.

The only caveat I might add, is that should humanity get her act together I truly believe the possibilities are endless.

We just need to recognise this. Collectively.

In the meantime I would happily take your summary and understanding any day of the week.

This really is a war of sorts. Principally a war of information.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Fri May 02, 2014 4:54 pm

I've never yet see the battery hens take over the farm from the farmer, regardless of competence ....there is another way...life doesn't have to be ll about material things...but if that's your lot....go for it and complain all you like.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Rory » Fri May 02, 2014 5:02 pm

Ben D » Fri May 02, 2014 8:54 pm wrote:I've never yet see the battery hens take over the farm from the farmer, regardless of competence ....there is another way...life doesn't have to be ll about material things...but if that's your lot....go for it and complain all you like.


For once I agree with you - life is indeed about beautiful, spiritual things like nuclear boiled water driving turbines to power tumble dryers and plasma screen tvs.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat May 03, 2014 2:47 am

Rory » Sat May 03, 2014 7:02 am wrote:For once I agree with you - life is indeed about beautiful, spiritual things like nuclear boiled water driving turbines to power tumble dryers and plasma screen tvs.

Namaste

Rory fyi, spiritual things is an oxymoron...spirit is immaterial, you can't have immaterial material.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat May 03, 2014 6:50 am

Oh Ben, you're so silly! for goodness sakes, you wrote it yourself!

I and all can see the pixels on our screens, "....spirit is immaterial." It's right there, in front of "is immaterial."

For "spirit," that's about as material as it gets, unless, of course, you print it on paper. Then you could even hold spirit in your hand, if you wanted to.

And if you had a friend with you, someone you trust, you could toss your spirit over to him to feel and juggle about for awhile. 'cause you trust him, he'll give it back when he's done playing with it , just like I do.

Besides, you'll learn you just gotta let go of your spirit someday--- it really doesn't hurt, especially when you're sure it's in good hands.

In a world that is not real, please do not project the surreal. Cause I can do surreal, too. But it gets kinda hard, like 3D chess. In the fifth dimension.
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