Huge explosion in Oslo

[hanshan]

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Sorry, I appear to have over-estimated your intelligence and under-estimated your attachment to John Wayne movies.

Because only John Wayne would dare try to stop kids from getting shot by the dozen.

I can imagine you posting a tirade after the madman turned Utoya into a radioactive pit, screaming

"HOW COULD THE POLICE HAVE INTERVENED?
WHY COULD THEY NOT HAVE WAITED?"

You and Lupercal are turning into the Nico Haupt and Gerald Holmgren of RI

Hilarious. Side-stepped out for a smoke & wha...?

gotta love the...

Cooler heads. Everyone cool?

(Pitch pipe sounds a G.) Everybody... HMMMMMMMM...

And ... 1,2,3,4...

This is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on, my friends...

New York, I can't hear you! London, Madrid... louder! C'mon, Oslo!

You and Lupercal are turning into the Nico Haupt and Gerald Holmgren of RI

I have to wonder, if you're so eager to embrace and defend official conspiracy theories, what the hell are you doing here?

I appear to have hit the nail on your somewhat sensitive head.

Alternatives to your way of seeing the situation are seen as "defending the OCT of the day" ? That is sooooo Loose Change Version 1.

One might wonder whether a tad of reflection might be in order or OTOH
might just say "Cheers, Nico I look forward to public performance rants in due course."

sorry, that should have been 'teear-er-or-iss-ts-ts-ts" . bastards. they take the battle everywhere, even linguistics...

That totally cracked me up

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[Canadian_watcher]

Please don't add to the disruptions of the discussion here, Canadian_Watcher. It's not helpful.

Back to topic please.

umm, from what I'm reading of YOUR posts this has become the topic.

[barracuda]

No, the topic here is the explosion in Oslo and the shootings in Utoya. Back to it, please.

[norton ash]

Isn't there are a rule about quoting PM's C_W? I mean, I'm totally flattered and all by your new tagline, lil' victim.

You're such a Bourbon. You learn nothing and forget nothing. And I will never acknowledge you again, and back to topic.

[Canadian_watcher]

I know you warned me via PM, barracuda, but I think it only fair that I ask if Norton's post to me, above, is on topic and in keeping with board rules, or if it is warning worthy too? Are you picking and choosing who gets to endure character assassination and who gets banned for speaking up against it?

[hanshan]

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He writes under the penname “Lionheart,” named after King Richard I, who earned the name Lionheart for commanding armies as a teenager during the Third Crusade.

Stopping for a moment to grok 'commanding armies as a teenager'.

Pretty standard. I was just today reading about Fulford Gate, where obviously the two commanding Saxon Earls were both teenagers.

Agreed. Standard stuff. Teenage seems a rite of sorts...


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[barracuda]

I know you warned me via PM, barracuda, but I think it only fair that I ask if Norton's post to me, above, is on topic and in keeping with board rules, or if it is warning worthy too? Are you picking and choosing who gets to endure character assassination and who gets banned for speaking up against it?

I disagree. I think your signature line is offensive. Norton, you probably should notify Jeff and the mods by pm if you have a problem about it. No more disruptions, please.

Canadian_Watcher, last chance.

Everyone here - if we cannot return to the topic at hand, I'm locking this thread and starting a new one.

[hanshan]

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For that 'helicopter' jibe -- directed very obviously at me, although you were cautious enough not to actually mention my name -- you can just fuck off.

Okay, this is why we need more moderators, for those who might have wondered.

Don't dare associate me with no-planers, don't dare insinuate that I'm like some buffoon who denies there was ever a massacre on that island, and don't dare try to compensate for your own piqued vanity because I (just like the fucking Norwegian populace) ventured to question the Norwegian police's grotesque excuses for their grotesque delay, and then spent time locating and posting some easily discoverable information that implicates them even further, while you have done nothing but apologise for them incessantly with a vain and smarmy pretence at expertise, inside knowledge, and superior powers of a priori reasoning you demonstrably do not have.

You're arguments do not really hold water, no matter how many times you repeat them, and no increases in font size or petty name calling and insults will change that, I'm afraid. Neither do they improve considerably by dragging them to a new thread as if they had not already been examined, as if arguiing your ideas to exhaustion somehow improves their worth. It does not. But it s an all-too familiar tactic here - debate by attrition.

This board is still hotly debating the chimera of controlled demolition ten years after 911, and the helicopter issue is, barring some astounding new evidence, analogous in it's indeterminacy with regard to demonstrating some aspect of conspiracy.

Conspiracy theories have been rampant all over the web regarding this story, ever since it turned out the killer was a conservative and a christian. Those theories will quickly codify and point the finger of blame upon the social democratic government of Norway, i.e. the left. It's not a shocking discovery. That it's happening has been obvious since Pam Gellar started uploading facebook screencaps, the new explosive squib.

So address the body of my post, rather than simply pointing your impotent cries of fuck you and "cop apologist" which I've now heard for some forty pages of this thread, voiced with faux earnestness as if that was an actual argument. It isn't. It's simply gutteral insults. Such tactics just make your polemic look even more strained and stretched than it actually is.

Sheesh. Miss a page & all the fun deflates...


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[AhabsOtherLeg]

The property -which two years ago was used by a criminal gang as one of Norway’s biggest marijuana farms


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019138/Norway-shooting-Anders-Behring-Breiviks-farmhouse-lair-wrote-manifesto.html
I also saw mentioned (but not sourced) that the farm was "right next to a military base" and in an area used by special forces to train. Anybody see anything about that?

Interestingly enough (though not really related) I hear the Scientologists set up a crisis centre two blocks from the Oslo blast site, where they're offering "counselling" to Red Cross workers and the passing public. They also offered to help search for bodies on Utoya. Both offers were refused. They'll also be looking to give out free "assists" to victims, no doubt. Vultures, vultures, always circling.

Afraid i can't get a translated link of this story though:

EDIT: Got translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... ce&act=url

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Anne Sofie Rønnfeldt (Age 13), Nesodden

Not for 15-25 year olds, after all.

She wasn't on the island, just wrote in to a paper later with her comment. People younger than 15 and older than 25 were killed, though, including the 45 year old organiser of the camp. For all I know Anne Sofie Rønnfeldt is the pseudonym of a 56 year old CIA veteran attempting to manipulate media discourse and public opinion, but I've seen no evidence of that so far.

She's right in what she says though. IMO.

Really, a few IMOs could've gone a long way in this thread, which has a definite strong undercurrent of "believe my theory or GTFO, cop apologist/naive dupe/gatekeeper" running through it. Which is not coming from Barracuda. IMO.

The fact that people feel the need to even discuss this is pathetic.

Pretty much. The thread is fucking shameful at this point. Maybe it'll rally, though. Stranger things have happened.

[ShinShinKid]

Aye, Cap'n!

I'm sure more and more information will be processed, and released...both officially and unofficially.

I'd say a cautious, 'wait and see' attitude would serve many here well. Let's all calm down, wait a few days, weeks, even; and see what information comes to light. Track it, by all means, and update the thread with new information, but in the overscripted words of Sir Rodney King...

"Can't we all just get along?"

[wordspeak2]

Stranger things have happened.

Barracuda, IMO it's not fair to compare the lack of helicopter response to the alleged controlled demolitions, when there's a much more apt comparison- the lack of air defense on 9/11. *Over an hour* goes by. I'm trying to see your perspective on this, truly, but I'm missing it. It's been shown that there were helicopters- seven, it seems. The helicopters were less than thirty miles from the island. The system was already on high-alert, due to the bombing. This is a sophisticated, well-equipped first world country in an age of the "War on Terrorism." I read your post about not really helping people being built into the system, but I'm not buying that; I mean, it's very vague. What happens during all that time? Over a friggin hour. Four kid-saving trips made by tourists, and the media is already there with its helicopter! I've read every post in both threads, and it's unconscionable to me, the incredible delay in response time. But maybe I'm missing something? Or maybe you're missing something, like the CIA's likely infiltration of the Norwegian police, as reported by a Norwegian police station?
I do hope that there's a really good investigation and all these questions get answered, one way or another. What happened exactly, why no helicopter response for over an hour when a psycho or psychos are massacring socialist kids on a nearby island. We have a highly-trained and equipped anti-terrorism task force which was on red alert already- what on god's green earth happened? Is this not a very reasonable question? Well, as MacCruiskeen said in the other thread, it is reasonable, and it's being asked by a lot of Norwegians right now.

As to photos on the island and such-- well, we do have eyewitness testimony that there was more than one shooter. What about that? Even sans photos one would think that eyewitnesses could identify Breivin. And presumably they will. I'm sure Breivin was one of the shooters; that doesn't mean he wasn't "just a patsy."

[Peachtree Pam]

Dear Barracuda and Mac, please calm down, we all value your insights. Please, Mac is distraught over the killings that might have been prevented had the cops arrived sooner. As Elihu said, don't give the terrorists the satisfaction of a brawl among the good guys.

I have lived for six years in Denmark many years ago and really was impressed with its values and left-wing determination to give all its citizens a life without care over medical expenses and its belief that every citizen should be respected, no matter what his religion or manner of living was.

How times have changed.

My closest friends on earth live in Copenhagen. Over the last 10-15 years I have had to give up discussing politics with them, which we used to do whenever we were together. Now, the venom and irrational anger that spews from them is more than I can take. it always revolves around the Progress Party and "immigrants" (Muslims). They complain bitterly that they "don't integrate" in Danish society, Well, you don't integrate if you expect a true Muslim woman to go drinking in the pubs at night. I am not denigrating in any way a Danish woman's right to go into a pub and drink all night. Just saying that a Muslim woman would not do this. I am just giving this as an example.

I have not asked this couple who they voted for in the last election. I am afraid they would say they voted for the Progress Party candidate. Now, we just don't discuss politics at all.

I have been in Norway on three trips. It is a beautiful country, big with wonderful natural landscapes, forests and all the fjords. Most of the people are smart, left-wing, level-headed, kind, friendly and laid back. I must emphasize, as Dradin did, that there are not many people in Norway, about 4.7 million in total.

The same right turn that has taken place in Denmark has taken place in Norway, which has always been more conservative, in my view , than Denmark.

I can tell you exactly what the growing group of right-wing Danes, Norwegians and Swedes are saying after the attack. That it was a terrible thing to do, but when you think about it carefully, the man has a point.

[vanlose kid]

Guardian Focus podcast: Examining the British far right

With the far right making political gains in France, Denmark and the Netherlands, and now the terrorist atrocity in Norway, what's the state of the far right in the UK?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2 ... -far-right

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[Canadian_watcher]

and the paranoia claims its first (?)victim:

Man Arrested over Fertilizer Order

but what are you going to do, right?