Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[seemslikeadream]

^^^^

Mayor Menino says Tamerlan, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev acted alone

investigators were questioning the 19-year-old Tsarnaev about other cell members and other unexploded bombs

[FourthBase]

^^^^

Mayor Menino says Tamerlan, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev acted alone

investigators were questioning the 19-year-old Tsarnaev about other cell members and other unexploded bombs

The three people arrested in New Bedford were released.
But, interestingly, two other people in New Bedford were arrested.
(Held on immigration-related stuff.)

I'd find the links, but that is SLAD's specialty, an important one, too. Sincerely.

No word if anyone from the Islamic Society of Boston (either imams or FBI informants) was arrested yet, or if any more Russian spies were discovered in Cambridge, or if any wealthy Turks were being questioned. Definitely no word if Robert Mueller or Rudolph Giuliani was being interrogated.

[Iamwhomiam]

Thank you FourthBase and General Patton. I do appreciate your assistance, however neither of you seems to have understood my request. Ok, let's try once again, as it seems I've not made my myself clear.

I am looking for a photograph posted here, on RI, of the two men mentioned. I believe it was taken either just before the blast or immediately afterward. I thought it was somewhere between pages 30 & 50. On the RI page they appeared on were two photographs with these two men in different positions. Both were taken from the sidewalk looking into the street.

No, I must have missed Arredondo being named. I do not recall ever hearing his name before.

I appreciate the links, General & 4thB. I checked wiki for his name, read all that was there and the HuffPo still hadn't loaded. Same with your link, General. Too graphically intensive.

[FourthBase]

Thank you FourthBase and General Patton. I do appreciate your assistance, however neither of you seems to have understood my request. Ok, let's try once again, as it seems I've not made my myself clear.

I am looking for a photograph posted here, on RI, of the two men mentioned. I believe it was taken either just before the blast or immediately afterward. I thought it was somewhere between pages 30 & 50. On the RI page they appeared on were two photographs with these two men in different positions.

No, I must have missed Arredondo being named. I do not recall ever hearing his name before.

I appreciate the links, General & 4thB. I checked wiki for his name, read all that was there and the HuffPo still hadn't loaded. Same with your link, General. Too graphically intensive.

The wiki has the basic facts, but here's the full text of the article I posted:

Carlos Arredondo, Boston and the World's Hero

As men, we're taught not to cry. But the story of Carlos Arredondo made me cry. Carlos, a Costa Rican immigrant, became a naturalized American citizen not long after hearing of his son's death in Iraq. But after his heroic actions in the chaos of the deadly explosions at the Boston Marathon, Arredondo isn't merely an American hero, but the world's hero.

I don't know if I can imagine the pain of a man so driven by grief of his son's death in Iraq that he was driven to self-immolation. Or the anger felt by a father who watched his government ban war photos, including soldiers' coffins coming home, to win shallow political fights. Or the courage it takes to hear an explosion and see blood and run toward it to help others rather than run away to preserve your own life. But Carlos Arredondo is a shining example of what every human being of every nationality should aspire to be.

Carlos, a trained Red Cross volunteer, ran toward the injured runners when he saw the explosion and helped runners who had their legs blown off in the blast, applying the makeshift tourniquets out of the runners' clothes. One extremely graphic photo that looks like a war wound shows a runner in a wheelchair with half of his leg missing. A man is running in front, with a terrified look on his face as he eyes the runner's injury. Carlos Arredondo is the man in the cowboy hat steering the man's wheelchair with a determined look in his face, devoid of fear despite the gruesome, chaotic situation.

Carlos's 20 year-old son, Alexander S. Arredondo, was a Lance Corporal in the Marines. He died in 2004 during a battle in Najaf. Alexander was already serving his second tour in the war where it would be revealed the following year that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, the entire reason for the war, didn't actually exist. Carlos was celebrating his 44th birthday in Florida when the Marines approached his doorstep and informed him of his son's death in his own front yard. Carlos became so filled with despair that he doused himself in gasoline and lit himself on fire with a propane torch in an attempt to destroy the Marines' van. Even though roughly 1/4th of his body was covered with multiple second- and third-degree burns, he attended his son's funeral from his a stretcher with two paramedics at his side.

In The New York Times profile of his recovery, Carlos was seen clutching the flag covering his son's coffin during the funeral and saying, "This is my whole world... This is my burden." Carlos became a peace activist after Alexander's death, determined to make sure soldiers' deaths were never forgotten. Arredondo rallied against President Bush's policy of banning photographs of flag-covered coffins containing dead soldiers. He also became an ally of the anti-gun violence movement, organizing a peace vigil in Newtown after the Sandy Hook shooting.

After his big brother's death in 2004, Carlos Arredondo's youngest son, Brian, sank into a deep depression and became addicted to drugs. Even though the Arredondo family attended grief counseling sessions, Brian Arredondo suffered still and attempted suicide in 2006. He ended up taking his own life just six days before Christmas in 2011 as the last troops were leaving Iraq. His bereaved dad was quoted saying, "We are broken hearts."

In Joan Livingston's interview with Carlos Arredondo on her YouTube channel posted not long after the explosions, Carlos is seen clutching a blood-soaked American flag. This iconic photo from a CNN slideshow shows Arredondo clutching that same bloody flag. Despite his country's unnecessary war of aggression killing his eldest son directly and his youngest son indirectly, his government's attempts to censor coverage of his son's coffin coming home, Carlos is still a proud citizen clutching his nation's flag.

Even in the midst of nightmarishly violent chaos, the war-weary father rushed into blood and carnage to help his fellow human beings in danger.

The heroic Boston Marathon runners, Boston first responders, blood donors, and other volunteers on the scene of the destruction deserve our honor and respect. But Carlos Arredondo especially stands out of what it means to come through for others when they're most in need.

Unfortunately, the actual web article contains a bunch of great links embedded.
Check it out if you have the time, get the chance.

[Bruce Dazzling]

ffs

Yeah, sucks, huh? For you.

That's what you get for pimping the mind-poison of Boston-hoaxdom on a board where I am.

Fourth Base,

You made two posts on this page that violate the following highlighted board rule:

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You didn't use the exact term "disinfo agent," but that was your implication as far as I can tell.

Don't do it again.

This is your second warning from me in two days. The next time you break a board rule, regardless of what it is, you will be suspended.

[FourthBase]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski ... d?s=mobile

"He said Jahar told him something to the effect of 'yeah man, I mean, tragedies can happen anywhere in the world."

That is some...

1. Cold-blooded, deranged shit
2. Evidence that the kid is an improbable kind of patsy

So far, my gut and brain says the former, almost certainly.
(But again, Reddit and 4chan should be inspecting every single rememberer of the Tsarnaevs.)

[FourthBase]

Fair enough, Bruce. I knew I was at least brushing up against a line. Sorry.

The board has rules against, say, Holocaust denial...right?
Are there any rules against, say, the outright denial of the reality of other events?
What about the sneaky hedged variety of Holocaust denial?
What about the equivalent for other events?

[barracuda]

The "no-victims" mentality of the Hookers, no-planers and Boston Hoaxers is like a disease spreading through discussion of these events. It needs to be dealt with before it metastasizes.

[justdrew]

Thank you FourthBase and General Patton. I do appreciate your assistance, however neither of you seems to have understood my request. Ok, let's try once again, as it seems I've not made my myself clear.

I am looking for a photograph posted here, on RI, of the two men mentioned. I believe it was taken either just before the blast or immediately afterward. I thought it was somewhere between pages 30 & 50. On the RI page they appeared on were two photographs with these two men in different positions. Both were taken from the sidewalk looking into the street.

No, I must have missed Arredondo being named. I do not recall ever hearing his name before.

I appreciate the links, General & 4thB. I checked wiki for his name, read all that was there and the HuffPo still hadn't loaded. Same with your link, General. Too graphically intensive.

maybe this is the post you look for...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=497966#p497966

[elfismiles]

The "no-victims" mentality of the Hookers, no-planers and Boston Hoaxers is like a disease spreading through discussion of these events. It needs to be dealt with before it metastasizes.

Well, even before Boston but certainly after I've seen waves of folks on facebook very vocally unfriending (and encouraging others to do so) and purging posters over that very thing. I'm not sure if it's been as severe as described by some of those purgers but it does feel like a strong backlash against any who question the official narrative.

[barracuda]

I see a decided difference between questioning the official narrative and claiming no one was injured or killed, a la September Clues. RI has rules against insisting upon tv-fakery vis-a-vis 911 because that insistence deforms the examination of the event beyond reparation. Among other reasons.

[justdrew]

I pointed out some time ago that THIS kind of idiotic "questioning" is EXACTLY what a strategy of 'cognitive infiltration' would look like.

[Bruce Dazzling]

Fair enough, Bruce. I knew I was at least brushing up against a line. Sorry.

The board has rules against, say, Holocaust denial...right?
Are there any rules against, say, the outright denial of the reality of other events?
What about the sneaky hedged variety of Holocaust denial?
What about the equivalent for other events?

As far as I can tell, conniption wasn't engaging in any of the above. He/she was simply suggesting that certain cheering crowds may be considered more equal than other cheering crowds by the people who decide which cheering crowds get shown on the teevee. Nothing more than that.

Carry on.

[Simulist]

The "no-victims" mentality of the Hookers, no-planers and Boston Hoaxers is like a disease spreading through discussion of these events. It needs to be dealt with before it metastasizes.

Agreed. It not only poisons discussion, but it also makes an otherwise intelligent board appear far less than it actually is.

[FourthBase]

The "no-victims" mentality of the Hookers, no-planers and Boston Hoaxers is like a disease spreading through discussion of these events. It needs to be dealt with before it metastasizes.

Well, even before Boston but certainly after I've seen waves of folks on facebook very vocally unfriending (and encouraging others to do so) and purging posters over that very thing. I'm not sure if it's been as severe as described by some of those purgers but it does feel like a strong backlash against any who question the official narrative.

A backlash not in small part fueled by a revulsion toward those who declare with totally-premature and heavily-speculated 100% certainty that it was such-and-such entity manufacturing the event for such-and-such purpose, and in a big way fueled by the worst species of that, the all-out hoaxer, the kind of "conspiracy theorist" that drives up and over a wall the people in my news feed doing the same unfriending and warning-to-unfriend. And I had to remind one: That kind of nonsense is one thing, asking a good question is another. The hoaxers are the absolute worst. They are ruining it for everyone. Ruining the chance to persuade ordinary non-paranoid people that good questions need good answers, ruining the chance to enlist those same people in a mass independent inquiry. I take back any insinuation I made above. I don't know why they do it. Maybe their brains really are that frayed. I could almost understand that. Maybe they're just in it for the attention, or for the purveyors of certain websites, in it for the page views and cash. I don't know the motive, the cause. I don't really care. The difference, in terms of impact, between a genuinely-deluded hoaxer and the other varieties: 0.00%, which should concern us, to say the least. Yes, I am now especially motivated myself to bat back this trend, shoo it away, scare or shame it back into the swampy recess it belongs, if it belongs anywhere. But this is a matter for everyone to think over, to decide for themselves. Do you want to have the chance for people besides our tiny choir to hear what we're saying, what we're asking? Then the hoaxer movement needs to be intellectually eradicated. How? I have no idea. Yet.