AlicetheKurious wrote:This is the kind of thread I usually just read (or not), but normally would never participate in, since I'm not qualified to make a contribution. But, Onesmartrat, you've mentioned a couple of things that really caught my attention; one is your description of Whitley Strieber as a deliberately-programmed MPD. Having read "Transformation", frankly, your explanation makes more sense to me than his.
Second, and more personally, is your description of age-regression as a symptom of programming. I know someone, a grand-mother, who episodically regresses to the age of a young child, perhaps 6 years old, unless she takes a weekly injection (I don't know what it is, but if she doesn't take it, it's a big problem). She's been to a number of psychiatrists, who have diagnosed her as everything from schizoid personality, to manic-depressive, to God knows what else. I figure that if this age-regression thing was a distinct mental illness, they would have been able to diagnose it. In your experience, is this symptom usually related to childhood abuse, or specifically to programming?
Perhaps this woman was abused as a child. I have no idea.
As an adult, she was, however, treated for over 10 years by one psychiatrist who's been implicated in CIA-sponsored MK-Ultra experiments. I know it's not much to go on, but I'd be very interested in your thoughts.
Age- regression in itself is a normal human experience. healthy adults age regress all the time. However, contwext must always be taken into account when we are discussing age-regression in terms of a stress induced "dysfunctional or defensive" state. people subjected to trauma dn childhood abuse are ofetn unable to positively age-regress in a normal healthy mannner, but do in act automatically age-regress to younger age "alters" in order to handle or defend against any internally perceived threat. Example: A form of healthy age-regression would be when an adult can enjoy a puppet show and or even participate by spontaneoulsy picking up a puppet themselves and "pretending" in a playlike atmosphere ....particulary in the context of playing with and or entertaining children.
Trauma abused individuals will have a hard time doing this and may even have an aversion to it. They will not be able to regress in any manner that is playful and will be 'uninterested" and bothered even if someone tries to coax them by handing them a puppet, in this example, or if they do attempt this, it will be a forced type of pretense to which will be obvious they are not "having fun." However, under certain types of stress that reflect a similar "structure" to the kinds of trauma and the structure of their relationship with others in those circumstances, they will be triggerd inot an age-regressed 'protective' state in which they are emotionally and psychologically as they were at a certain age when they endured the original trauma and 'survived' it by adopting certain thinking and behavior.
An example of stresss-induced unhealthy age-regression is George W. Bush. He is constantly being made fun of by the more left-leaning critics that he talks "like an idiot" and on many occassions during spontaneuos questions and answer sessions such as with the media, he trips all over himself linguistically. This is not what it appears. He is experiencing internal stress to such a degree that he automatically is becoming spontaneously age-regressed(and he is a unstable Monarch) to such a degree that what is happening is that emotionally and mentally he
is as a boy of about the age of ten or so (my guess) who is trying to answer adult questions and failing miserably. A good and very dramatic example of this that can be detected easily by anyone who looks at it from this perspective will see it clearly when viewing the segment of Michael Moore's 911 film during the time frame within which Bush sitting in a classroom reading a book to children is told that the first tower had been hit ....watch the guy's face shift dramactically to a childlike expression, and it stays that way for a good long time ...this is age-regression big time. His internal state would have been functioning at just about exactly of the age he appears....I would say maybe ten years or a little younger. His response in terms of his behavior was pretty congruent with the confusion and fear that a ten years old boy would probably have had in exactly the same type of circumstance (structurally, that is). That is why when he is first told, he is completely paralyzed psychologically and emotionally with a confused look on his face just as any ten year old kid would be when faced with such a tremendous overwhelming "adult probelm." This is a state, for him, that he automaticaly goes to under similar types of stress; it's a protective mechanism that worked perhaps when he actually WAS a ten year old boy, but is totally dysfunctional in his cpacity as "the most poweful man in the world."
That's the type of sge-regression I am talking about here.
-OSR
I've done a lot of reading on his father and the guy sounds as if he was completely disonnected emotionally from his passel of kids. So I can easily imagine him deciding to "improve" them via a trauma-based program, for future use. Ugh. Any insights on Jeb? He's the one I'm most worried about at the moment--MUCH more dangerous than poor screwed up Dubya, who's basically only useful as a hand puppet.