Delmart Vreeland sentenced to 336 yrs for child sex crimes

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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:08 pm

cptmarginal, if you've already done this, would you mind posting the results? I'd appreciate it, because I'm not seeing it from just covering half the face. If you don't have the images saved, no biggie... I can probably figure out how to do it myself.


It's really not that dramatically noticeable. If the lighting was more like the Holmes picture, it'd be better. Not that it's very significant - the left side of my face seems to embody a separate personality from the right, but that says very little about my habits or history. It's more likely a product of having a left and right brain that tend to disagree. The dude just looks like a tough-guy con-man who found himself in a scary situation.

These didn't come out perfect:
http://captainmarginal.blogspot.com/200 ... lmart.html

*edit* whoa, there's some great examples on that site justdrew posted:

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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:03 pm

cptmarginal wrote:
These didn't come out perfect:
http://captainmarginal.blogspot.com/200 ... lmart.html



Oh, great, thanks so much! :clapping:

Clearly, one side of his face is *much* wider. The pictures really illustrate that tough guy/weak guy duality very well. What that actually *means* I can't say, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:13 pm

I can only seem to divide a face in half, then make endless copies of the same half. Not as smart as I thought I was. Sorry Fat Lady.

I first heard of the dual-face thing from H. H. Holmes himself (not personally - via Hearst) and from Colin Wilson too. It's kind of like measuring the skull or reading tea leaves - not believable, but still interesting.
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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:37 pm

Just use MS Paint, select the left or right side directly through the middle of the nose, and copy that segment. Then, flip the picture horizontally and paste: voila! (maybe some minor positional adjustment needed) It's really fun to do this with random pictures from Google image search. IanEye sometimes posts creepy symmetrical pictures, he turned me on to the idea.

Anyway, Vreeland's story will always be of interest for at least one reason: that no matter how many holes in his story and no matter how obvious the sham, there's still the matter of the courtroom phone call to the Pentagon. Seriously bizarre.
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Postby Jeff » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:09 pm

cptmarginal wrote:Anyway, Vreeland's story will always be of interest for at least one reason: that no matter how many holes in his story and no matter how obvious the sham, there's still the matter of the courtroom phone call to the Pentagon. Seriously bizarre.


Definitely. Another thing: he claimed that he had teamed up in Moscow with a computer analyst of the Canadian embassy, Marc Bastien, and that Bastien had been murdered. At the time of Vreeland's claims, Bastien's death was ruled natural causes. It wasn't until much later, after Vreeland had long been in custody, that the cause of death was changed to homicide.

The case probably wouldn't haunt me so much if his lawyer wasn't my oldest friend, and I didn't know he was spending August 2001 trying to get Canadian and US authorities to heed Vreeland's warning.
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Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:10 pm

cptmarginal wrote: there's still the matter of the courtroom phone call to the Pentagon. Seriously bizarre.


Yeah.
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Postby jingofever » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:41 pm

Jeff wrote:
cptmarginal wrote:Anyway, Vreeland's story will always be of interest for at least one reason: that no matter how many holes in his story and no matter how obvious the sham, there's still the matter of the courtroom phone call to the Pentagon. Seriously bizarre.


Definitely. Another thing: he claimed that he had teamed up in Moscow with a computer analyst of the Canadian embassy, Marc Bastien, and that Bastien had been murdered. At the time of Vreeland's claims, Bastien's death was ruled natural causes. It wasn't until much later, after Vreeland had long been in custody, that the cause of death was changed to homicide.

The case probably wouldn't haunt me so much if his lawyer wasn't my oldest friend, and I didn't know he was spending August 2001 trying to get Canadian and US authorities to heed Vreeland's warning.

So where would somebody get 'the skinny' on this convicted pedophile? The phone call and the murder intrigue me. Is there anything out there about this case that is not tainted with disinformation?
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Postby vigilant » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:49 pm

justdrew wrote:

also, since all studies show that sad/negative emotions are significantly more expressed on the left face, I'd guess this could lead to differential muscle development over time in some cases.


Thanks for that. I have specific interest in this phenomena for specific reason. Do you remember where you saw the research?
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Postby justdrew » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:23 pm

vigilant wrote:justdrew wrote:

also, since all studies show that sad/negative emotions are significantly more expressed on the left face, I'd guess this could lead to differential muscle development over time in some cases.


Thanks for that. I have specific interest in this phenomena for specific reason. Do you remember where you saw the research?


there's some reference to it here: http://tinyurl.com/5kkfle
and there more references in here:
http://www.face-and-emotion.com/dataface/dissertation/frontpage.html

and the paydirt:
There is considerable evidence that in humans (Christman and Wolff, 1943; Campbell, 1978; Sackeim and Gur, 1978; Sackeim et al., 1978; Rubin and Rubin, 1980; Borod et al., 1989; Wittling and Roschmann, 1993; Borod et al., 1997), monkeys (Hauser, 1993), and chimpanzees (Parr and Hopkins, 2000; Fernandez-Carriba et al., 2002), emotions are expressed more intensely in the left hemiface (LHF). Because most facial muscles, particularly in the lower part, are innervated by the contralateral hemisphere, this finding has been interpreted as support for the hypothesis of right hemispheric dominance for emotion processing (Benton et al., 1975; Schwartz et al., 1975; Sackeim et al., 1982; Natale et al., 1983; Christman and Hackworth, 1993; Hugdahl et al., 1993; Adolphs et al., 1996; Dimberg and Petterson, 2000). The method used for studying hemiface effects followed Wolff's (1943) chimeric faces approach. Thus, Sackeim et al. (1978) found higher intensity ratings (IRs) for left-side than for right-side composites for all negative emotions (anger, sadness, disgust, and fear) except for happiness.

from: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/23/9/3820
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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:34 am

Looking at Vreeland's note and trying to simply make out what he wrote let alone make any sense of it is difficult to say the least, but the name Dr. Haider stands out on the page as being particularly clearly written. It's in the parantheses, is centrally located in the note and is connected by arrows to two other notes that are illegible.

On the theory that Vreeland's intent was to establish his intelligence agent's bona fides by predicting events in advance that no one outside of the intelligence community would be privy to I did some digging around for "Dr. Haider".

There are of course lots of Dr. Haiders in the world, but one caught my eye more than the others... Dr. Jorg Haider

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Haider

Haider died recently while in office. Conspiracy theories abound about his death.

Death

Haider died of injuries from a car crash at Lambichl in Köttmannsdorf near Klagenfurt , in the state of Carinthia, in the early hours of 11 October 2008. Police reported that the Volkswagen Phaeton V6 that Haider had been driving came off the road, rolled down an embankment and overturned,[52] [53] causing him "severe head and chest injuries".[54] Haider, who was on his way from a bar where he had been meeting a young man after having previously quarreled with Stefan Petzner that same evening,[55] [48] was going to celebrate his mother's 90th birthday.[56] [57] [52] He was alone in the government car and no other vehicles were involved.[58] [59] At the time of the crash, Haider's car was travelling at 142 km/h (88 mph) or faster, more than twice the legal speed limit of 70 km/h (43 mph) for that part of the Loiblpass-road.[60] An initial investigation uncovered no signs of foul play,[59] and conspiracy theories about the death have been strongly rejected by the Austrian police. [61][62] Haider's blood alcohol level at the time of the crash was 1.8‰, more than three times the legal limit of 0.5‰. This fact was noted by both Haider's spokesman and the state prosecutor. The director general of the Carinthian administration declared that in case the Governor had been intoxicated the State would have the right to recourse.[63]

Austrian President Heinz Fischer said of Haider's death that it was a "human tragedy".[64] Reactions in the press were mixed. Wolfgang Fellner, publisher of "Österreich", wrote: "I have fought bitterly" with Jörg Haider, but "finally, Haider became a gentle, considerate, almost wise politician ... Alas, he was once again too fast." Haider "died as he lived: always full-throttle, always over the limit", Fellner concluded. But Ernst Trost pointed out in the Kronen Zeitung that while Haider had enjoyed a "comet-like rise" in politics, he also had "ever again embarked on self-destructive actions and provoked opposition." The Chief Editor of Kurier, Christoph Kotanko, wrote that "however much his brown tones, xenophobia and aggressive populism were to be rejected ... Haider's criticism of the dominant conditions of the 1980s and 90s was partly also justified", and he had "named, fought and in part also changed" those conditions. [65]


It has been rumored that Haider was a closeted homosexual fond of youngish lovers.

Stefan Petzner and rumours of homosexuality

Stefan Petzner, Haider's designated successor as party chairman, stated in an ORF radio interview on 19 October 2008,[47] that at the time of Haider's death he and the politician were in a relationship which "went far beyond friendship" with the full knowledge of the latter's wife.[48] Petzner also said that "Jörg and I were connected by something truly special. He was the man of my life (German: Lebensmensch)."[49] The term Lebensmensch can imply an intimate relationship but can also be interpreted as "icon" or "mentor".[50] Associated Press reported Petzner's comments as "Jörg and I were connected by something truly special. He was the man of my life ... I loved him as a best friend."[50] According to The Guardian, Haider was "outed" by Austrian and German newspapers. Hosi (an Austrian homosexual rights group) said in 2000, "We've known about Haider's homosexuality for about 10 years." [51] Haider had never denied or confirmed the rumours about his sexuality, but he was often criticised for surrounding himself with young men in his political movement, which was nicknamed 'Haider's boys' party'.[48][50]



Guardian article on Homoerotic cult of personality built up by Jörg Haider

Egyd Gstättner, one of Carinthia's most famous authors, commentators and Haider critics, has no qualms about calling the outpouring of grief a continuation of the "führer kult" Haider enjoyed in life.

"The BZÖ is more like a fan club that had one führer who determined everything down to the loo paper at party headquarters without anyone objecting to him," he says.

He thinks it is a very Austrian attitude - the "Fritzl phenomenon", Gstättner calls it, referring to the builder who kept his daughter in his cellar as a sex slave for 24 years. "He had such power no one dared question him and simply accepted the way things were."


Rightwing websites, meanwhile, are full of conspiracy theories suggesting Haider was murdered. Greek myths have been drawn on - after all, he was driving a Phaeton.

One theory suggests a spurious numerological link between Haider's death and 9/11. Another, from a former Haider disciple, suggests he was murdered by Mossad - which fits neatly into his oft-expressed belief in a Jewish world domination theory and gives further fuel to the party's antisemitic views.

In short, it's hard for many to accept that the Haider myth is mortal. For now, the family has delayed cremating his remains pending further forensic tests as to the cause of death. Whether it wants to or not, Austria is not likely to succeed in burying Jörg Haider any time soon.


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Postby IanEye » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:20 am

cptmarginal wrote:Just use MS Paint, select the left or right side directly through the middle of the nose, and copy that segment. Then, flip the picture horizontally and paste: voila! (maybe some minor positional adjustment needed) It's really fun to do this with random pictures from Google image search. IanEye sometimes posts creepy symmetrical pictures, he turned me on to the idea.




this is totally OT, sorry:

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cptmarginal, i took your l-l image and your r-r image and superimposed them above. That is the final step for me in the 'mirror' process.
i like it because i feel that depending on the viewer, more of one 'face' wil have dominance than the other when viewed.
or, perhaps more freaky, depending on how out of it the viewer is at the time he/she is viewing, one face will be more prevalent.

it's a little bit of Duchamp

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mixed with Bill Laswell and James Koehnline:

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Postby Free » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:13 pm

Marmot wrote:

Free. I'm always glad to discover other researchers who have a sincere interest in and credible knowledge of trauma-based programming. From first appearances here it seems you have some understanding but are confusing terms and procedures. Twinning, according to my research, has to do with a pairing of two different children and this would not be done on the second day of life. I'd be curious to know where you got your information. Could you fill me in a little more?

Also, it's a grave oversimplification to say that the brain splits into two parts. But since you mention it, I think our understanding of how our two brains work may give us a key as to the lopsided-look. With the left-hemisphere controlling the right side of the face (and body) and the right-hemisphere controlling the left side of the face (and body), I wonder if the asymmetrical look (especially in the eyes) is a possible sign of Vreeland, himself, having, a dissociative condition.

So, on the one hand, Free, I would agree with you that Vreeland may be a cult dissociative. Yet, on the other hand, I'd question your understanding of the programming.


To answer your questions:

The term twinning, as far as I know, is used to describe various cult practices that involve two parts or two people, one being the twinning that you're referring to- the cross programming of two children of the same sex and age group. These "twins", when they grow up, will monitor and keep the other in line. This is a variation of the husband and wife teams in which one primarily "handles" the other.

It seems that, since these programming and torture methods aren't taught in Universities and codified in medical books, the terms are not rigidly and strictly applied. Also, there are variations in groups, regions, countries, etc.

My information comes from personal experience and the experience of other survivors and therapists who work with them.

When I said "split the brain into two halves", I didn't mean it literally. This type of programming structures the inner world, which interfaces with the body but is psycho-spiritual-energetic in nature.

My mention of Vreeland's lopsided face as a possible indicator of his being programmed was pure speculation and not based on any special prior knowledge. His face made me think of what might happen to someone who had received the "split-brain" program and was deteriorating in some way. In any case, I don't believe that the symmetry of the face is anything solid that one could point to as a red flag.

On the other hand, his documented ties to military intelligence combined with his abusing of children point straight in a "cult" (see below) direction.

Free said:

"The cult" is survivor slang for the loose association of gov./military/freemasonic/ritual abusing intergenerational criminals who live among us, posing as normal people.
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Re: vanlose kid's "What argument?"

Postby nomo » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:52 pm

marmot wrote:I don't have any comments of real worth. But I feel since I spent twenty minutes of my life reading LNL related back and forths that I'm afforded a few words. Here's my thoughts: LNL is troooolly a stooopid pooop-head. And I say we vote him off the island; or if that's not in the island constitution, I say we shave his head, paint it like a soccer ball, bury him up to his neck in beach sand, and leave him there for a passerby.


Shoulda just left it at the first sentence then. FWIW, this thread has been very entertaining. TLNL is spot on in his analysis of the "truth" movement and I love how he demonstrates that by luring pretty much all you into his trap. I mean, for real, here you are asking for the guy to be banned? How much more petty can you get?

Anyhow, back to Vreeland (whose story is more than just tangentially related to 9/11 "truth" in case you hadn't fucking noticed. He totally reminds me of this two-faced guy:
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Postby nomo » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:56 pm

justdrew wrote:Now, is Delmart Vreeland a Dutch name?


What if it is?
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Postby justdrew » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:15 pm

nomo wrote:
justdrew wrote:Now, is Delmart Vreeland a Dutch name?


What if it is?


well, ya know, you gotta watch those shifty Dutch

no seriously, I was just thinking about that in relation to Rudy Deckers and the other(s) flying dutch boys from mad cow morning news fame.
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