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Re: Psyops culture. Need to know. You don't.

Postby monster » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:26 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:What’s cryptology? Cryptology is making and breaking codes. It’s so cool. We make codes so we can send secret messages to our friends. And we try to figure out what other people are writing about by breaking their codes. It’s a lot of fun."


Breaking codes is what the NSA does... is that supposed to be a secret, or something?
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Re: Psyops culture. Need to know. You don't.

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:59 am

monster wrote:Breaking codes is what the NSA does... is that supposed to be a secret, or something?

Obviously not, but why should only they be allowed to have all the fun? If you think all of your interests are so aligned with theirs that you have no need of independant analysis, god help you.
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Re: Psyops culture. Need to know. You don't.

Postby psynapz » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:34 am

monster wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:What’s cryptology? Cryptology is making and breaking codes. It’s so cool. We make codes so we can send secret messages to our friends. And we try to figure out what other people are writing about by breaking their codes. It’s a lot of fun."


Breaking codes is what the NSA does... is that supposed to be a secret, or something?


I'll spell it out for you:

H-U-G-H
I-S
S-A-Y-I-N-G
T-H-E
N-S-A
I-S
T-A-R-G-E-T-I-N-G
K-I-D-S
F-O-R
R-E-C-R-U-I-T-M-E-N-T
I-N-T-O
T-E-C-H-N-O-F-A-S-C-I-S-M
L-I-K-E
J-O-E
C-A-M-E-L
M-A-D-E
S-M-O-K-I-N-G
C-O-O-L.

8)

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Postby monster » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 am

So what? What's wrong with that?
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Re: Psyops culture. Need to know. You don't.

Postby MinM » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:35 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:What’s cryptology? Cryptology is making and breaking codes. It’s so cool. We make codes so we can send secret messages to our friends. And we try to figure out what other people are writing about by breaking their codes. It’s a lot of fun."

Apparently it's not all Fun & Games :wink:

CIA Code Expert Found Dead on Palm Springs Trail
Updated 1:00 PM PDT, Sat, Jul 25, 2009
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A Central Intelligence Agency employee who died on a trail near Palm Springs was identified Saturday as a 64-year-old Fort Collins, Colo., resident.

Robert Allen Liebler was found dead on a trail about 100 feet west of West Arenas Road and South Tahquitz Drive about 11 a.m. Sunday amid 100-degree-plus heat, according to a coroner's spokesman.

Liebler was a Colorado State University professor and CIA communications expert, who had been working in the Palm Springs area, the Desert Sun reported.

Liebler, who had a doctorate from the University of Michigan, specialized in discrete mathematics and did security work for the U.S. government, a friend and former colleague, Ben Manvel, told the newspaper.

Liebler worked for the "brains branch" of the CIA, developing secret codes for stealth communication, he said.

Liebler, reported missing Saturday, was in Palm Springs working with a local think tank, Manvel said. He began his hike up the Carl Lykken Trail with a friend about 3:45 a.m. Saturday. About three hours later, he told the friend he was cramping up and headed back.

Liebler and his hiking partner were going to meet a group of about 15 other people who had taken the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway up to the top of Mount San Jacinto, according to police.

Liebler's body was found about 75 feet off the nearest trail.

Another body was found along a trail in a same general vicinity about two hours earlier, but that man's has not been made public. His decomposing body was found west of Museum Drive and north of Belardo Road.

Though coroner's investigators think they know who he is, they have been unable to positively identify him yet through dental records or fingerprints.

"The state of the remains don't allow identification by photos," a deputy coroner said. "We're identifying him by other means."

In the past six months, four bodies have been recovered from the shadeless terrain above Palm Springs.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... Trail.html
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Postby monster » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:10 pm

Yes, let's stop recruiting, I'm sure we can outsource our cryptographic work to the Chinese in the future.
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Postby Sweejak » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:41 am

... a hippie rock guitarist with top secret clearances.

So, one day, I don't know what happened. I sat down at my Tandy 200 and wrote this paper about how to convert the Aegis weapon system — why it would make sense to convert it to do theatre missile defense because it would be on a mobile platform and give the United States a new role in NATO in the 21st century. I have no idea. I just did it.

Conservative congressmen Dana Rohrabacher and Ed Royce are Baxter’s biggest fans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10480407

Interestingly Gangel is married to Dan Silva author of what one of my Twitter buds, not a Russian, calls:
Daniel Silva's "Moscow Rules" is perhaps the most disgusting anti-Russia book I have ever read. I won't read Silva again http://bit.ly/gr7dQ


Dan Silva's Prince of Fire and the Patriot Act http://tinyurl.com/lugpk5

Daniel Silva's Wiki
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Postby psynapz » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:29 am

monster wrote:So what? What's wrong with that?


What's wrong with making techno-fascism cool for the kidz? Nothing, if you're a fucking fascist.

The National Security State is just about singlehandedly responsible for everything evil that capitalism (and fractional reserve lending) is not. Dismantling it would be tantamount to dissolving the Federal Reserve, and the resulting effects on world peace, unity and liberty cannot be overstated.

China is the US's biggest technofascist competitor who also happens to conduct a macroeconomic system which is anathema to capitalism, expediting the iterative steps towards the inevitable self-destruction to which capitalism is doomed. Basically I'm saying they have to stop playing the game too. JFK made progress in getting Russia to stop playing the game, until the game masters put a stop to JFK.

So sure, as long as we're playing this stupid divide-and-conquer game against the ruskies du jour, we need to send our stupid kidz off to die for our team and the smart kidz off to use otherwise-empowering technologies against any population as they're ordered to, all in the name of defending a way of life that is neither sustainable nor healthy nor promoting of liberty and human rights, but rather a vehicle for inherent injustice and every kind of illegal business operation that can be conducted, worldwide, to fund even more illegal operations with greater implications for humanity, worldwide (and beyond?).

To me, it makes more sense to encourage our little math nerds to think critically about macropolitics, privacy and harmful technology while teaching them to respect all life forms of any size and color, and hopefully inspire them to use their swelling little brains in real service to humanity as a whole rather than in enslavement of vast sectors of it at the hands of the privileged few.
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Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:35 am

psynapz wrote:To me, it makes more sense to encourage our little math nerds to think critically about macropolitics, privacy and harmful technology while teaching them to respect all life forms of any size and color, and hopefully inspire them to use their swelling little brains in real service to humanity as a whole rather than in enslavement of vast sectors of it at the hands of the privileged few.


Indeed, we need a new Phil Zimmerman for this generation, to help us create an uncrackable encryption for citizen privacy, and perhaps help in the formation of a new, public currency, untethered to the U.S. Gov. If such a thing were possible, we could simply outmode them, no (or little) violence necessary.
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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:40 am

monster wrote:Yes, let's stop recruiting, I'm sure we can outsource our cryptographic work to the Chinese in the future.


Do you fail to realize this nation's militarized wrongs or something? This is like going back to basic arithmetic with some people...
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Postby monster » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:48 am

Occult Means Hidden wrote:
monster wrote:Yes, let's stop recruiting, I'm sure we can outsource our cryptographic work to the Chinese in the future.


Do you fail to realize this nation's militarized wrongs or something?


No, but neither am I so caught up in conspiracy theory that I can't see the need for intelligence agencies.

It's the contrarian absolutism of "all government is evil" that drives people to leave good-bye posts like "I have to take a break from this forum" because it's unnatural to think everyone is out to get you, and of course the truth is somewhere in-between.
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Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:55 pm

monster wrote:
Occult Means Hidden wrote:
monster wrote:Yes, let's stop recruiting, I'm sure we can outsource our cryptographic work to the Chinese in the future.


Do you fail to realize this nation's militarized wrongs or something?


No, but neither am I so caught up in conspiracy theory that I can't see the need for intelligence agencies.

It's the contrarian absolutism of "all government is evil" that drives people to leave good-bye posts like "I have to take a break from this forum" because it's unnatural to think everyone is out to get you, and of course the truth is somewhere in-between.


Precisely. Embracing absolutism (CIA/FBI/Disney/Big Pharma is EVIL!) is not only unrealistic, it's counterproductive to finding real solutions and getting anything accomplished. It ignores the individuals who make up larger entities, with their own goals, behaviors, and influences. I'd never join the FBI or CIA or NSA, but I also wouldn't suggest that there aren't well-meaning people in those organizations or that the organizations don't do *some* good things.

But it's much easier to paint a black and white world (Disney is CIA for Kidz!) than it is to look at the world in all of its messiness and complexity and moral ambiguity.

But the worst thing about believing in an absolutist, all-powerful PTB is that it ultimately serves those machiavellian fascists in positions of power by convincing concerned, caring people that they are essentially powerless. If the CIA is converting children in the U.S. into blindly obedient soldiers via Saturday morning cartoons, what's the use in fighting them? If the elites are utterly in control of mass media, down to the placement of character names in cheesy romantic comedies, who can possibly fight that kind of industrial propagandizing?

But those who believe in such near-omnipotent conspiracies are pointing out their own lack of experience in large organizations and industries. I've regularly suggested that Hugh talk to *individuals* who work in Hollywood and advertising instead of just accusing them of CIA complicity, but he doesn't even listen to those of us on this board who have experience in mass media. If he listened with an open mind, he'd quickly come to realize how preposterous many of his examples are, but like the monkey (manatee?) with his fingers jammed in his ears, there is just no breaking through.

Having worked with people in academia, industry, and the civic arena, I've learned how the shifting centers of power are convoluted and messy and composed of both very good and very bad people all pushing differing agendas. While I still understand the influence of power and privilege, I've discarded many of my earlier assumptions about all-powerful puppeteers and enormous conspiracies. Truth is, the world is run by powerful elites but also by a bunch of middle manager puppeteer-wannabes fighting stupid little battles over meagre turf. But there are also good people in all levels of society working for the noble values -- and the conspiracy of good is as strong as, if not more strong, than the malevolent conspiracies because human nature itself is essentially good and altruistic (with notable exceptions, of course).

But go ahead and believe we're all chattel for the NWO FEMA camp ovens if you want, and that Hollywood is one big psyops factory organizing the dvds on the shelves of your local Barnes & Noble. But consider that you might be not only hurting yourself, but infecting others with a sense of false powerlessness and despair. I'd prefer to use my skills and energies to build something hopeful and constructive rather than railing against imaginary shadows.
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Postby Penguin » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:08 pm

Yeah.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:51 pm

And now for a really good bad example to learn from.

professorpan wrote:.....
.....Embracing absolutism (CIA/FBI/Disney/Big Pharma is EVIL!) is...
.....

...is PRpan's absolutist straw man diffusion of understanding fascism's complex conditioning and counterpropaganda mechanisms here at RI for almost four years now.

PRpan's rap on CIA is predicable.
Ew, that smell. I know it well. So well-

PRpan wrote: unrealistic,
counterproductive
real solutions
ignores the individuals
FBI or CIA or NSA
well-meaning people
the organizations...do *some* good things.

a black and white world (Disney is CIA for Kidz!)
the world in all of its messiness and complexity and moral ambiguity.

absolutist, all-powerful PTB
convincing concerned, caring people that they are essentially powerless what's the use in fighting them?
utterly in control
who can possibly fight that kind of industrial propagandizing?

near-omnipotent conspiracies
their own lack of experience
he doesn't even listen
If he listened
there is just no breaking through.


I've learned
very good and very bad people
I've discarded many of my earlier assumptions about all-powerful puppeteers and enormous conspiracies.
good people in all levels
the conspiracy of good is as strong as, if not more strong, than the malevolent conspiracies because human nature itself is essentially good and altruistic (with notable exceptions, of course).

But go ahead and believe
infecting others with a sense of false powerlessness and despair.

build something hopeful and constructive rather than railing against imaginary shadows.


:x
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
...
Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Postby Zap » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:09 pm

Fortunately the CIA is not above the Law of Unintended Consequences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequence
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