Giffords shooting

[Tucy]

just one last thing before I go try and get some sleep -been up all night following this story...but to make clear, the members at ATS were never supportive of the writer who seems like the shooter. That person started at least 5 threads. Some were even telling him he needed help.

(Someone over at reddit is the one who discovered it.)

[anothershamus]

I don't think this is related, except for the vitriol of Fox News, and it's in Phoenix instead of Tuscon but....

Ex-Ariz. Senate Aide Found Shot Dead In Car

POSTED: 8:53 am MST December 21, 2010
UPDATED: 9:37 am MST December 21, 2010
PHOENIX -- Phoenix police said a man found fatally shot in a car has been identified as a former chief of staff for the Arizona Senate.

Police identified the victim Monday as 51-year-old Christopher Smith, who worked in the state Senate for 11 years and was chief of staff until 2000.

Sgt. Trent Crump of the Phoenix Police Department said Smith's death is being investigated as a homicide.

Smith most recently worked for Cox Communications.

Police said Smith was found inside a vehicle Saturday night in the 1000 block of South 18th Avenue with multiple gunshot wounds.

Witnesses later told officers they had seen a young male shoot a man inside the car. The shooter then fled.

Police said Smith had been shot in the head and was taken to a Phoenix hospital, where he later died.

[sergeant stiletto]

How weird:

http://erad.arizona.edu/ - Based in Tucson

erad3 was his forum user-name. I wonder if it was related to an anagram of sorts for "Jared" or to this ERAD, which seems sort of vague and somewhat creepy in it's description.

[Sepka]

It interests me that after eight pages, no-one has commented on his middle name being 'Lee'. Lee is one of the names that's traditionally over-represented among American mass and serial murderers, the other one being Wayne.

It's interesting (to me, at any rate) as well that the killings took place at a store called 'Safeway'.

Also, for what it's worth, the first newsflash I saw about it (and I think it may have been the first report on the web) was from KGUN Tucson.

[Jeff]

Forgive me, but for some reason I think this bears a repost.

[Luther Blissett]

It must be so difficult for fringe-right websites to reconcile their conspiracy theories with their views as they communicate them to people like Loughner.

Just look at the way the spotlight has been put on the "tea party" phenomenon. I miss when anti government meant you were against the Bush appointed wars and abuse of power.
Now "anti government" means inciting hatespeech and crypto-violent statements directed at women service providers, democratic politicians, etc.
The Tiller shooting, the Holocaust museum, the killing of those 4 cops by that anti government guy in Pittsburgh, the guy who flew a plane into an IRS building, the guy who attempted to storm the pentagon with a gun...I think it was clear that we'd see a ramping up of these violent actions.

Bottom line, the name of the game is polarizing Americans. The shrinking white middle class who feel threatened and pumped full of hate by racist wonks like rush and inciteful polarization on Fox, the Tea Party rallies, etc.

I fear what this year could bring with the nutcase stuff. I know I've greatly toned down my anti government rhetoric, even tho it came more from a leftist point of view.

I don't think that any of us should temper our anti-government rhetoric for any reason. That's one difference between progressives and the fringe right - progressives can do enough independent thinking for themselves to be able to criticize the system until the world truly is a better place. The fringe right needs to be scared, they need someone to tell them how to channel that fear and how to think for them. If they were capable of independent thought and of higher levels of criticism, the wouldn't see the need to resort to physical violence against other humans.

[slimmouse]

OK, some of the stuff in this entire article is a bit too out there even for me (!), but it may be worth perusing for both the information and posterity as more information about the shooter comes to light. The MC angle certainly shouldnt be ruled out for the moment at least AFAIC ;

AZ Congresswoman assassination scenario has MKULTRA profile, drug & space target

The mass political assassination attack in Tucson, AZ on Saturday January 8, 2011 that as of 2:44 pm pst had left six people dead and eighteen shot were shot during the attack has a marked MKULTRA profile, and of suppression of drug cartel investigation and of expansion the U.S. space program as one of its effects.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was reported in grave condition and in surgery at University Medical Center in Tucson, after the shooting in a Safeway supermarket parking lot.

One news report states,

“The suspect in the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and others, Jared Loughner, posted a You Tube video three weeks ago indicating that "in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming!" as well as a MySpace post saying goodbye to friends.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in- ... ace-target

[Twyla LaSarc]

Text of DHS Memo on Loughner
MEMO:
"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)... * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.* suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation... Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/late ... he-target/

I hate linking to fox, but that was the link given in the post.

[Canadian_watcher]

It must be so difficult for fringe-right websites to reconcile their conspiracy theories with their views as they communicate them to people like Loughner.

Just look at the way the spotlight has been put on the "tea party" phenomenon. I miss when anti government meant you were against the Bush appointed wars and abuse of power.
Now "anti government" means inciting hatespeech and crypto-violent statements directed at women service providers, democratic politicians, etc.
The Tiller shooting, the Holocaust museum, the killing of those 4 cops by that anti government guy in Pittsburgh, the guy who flew a plane into an IRS building, the guy who attempted to storm the pentagon with a gun...I think it was clear that we'd see a ramping up of these violent actions.

Bottom line, the name of the game is polarizing Americans. The shrinking white middle class who feel threatened and pumped full of hate by racist wonks like rush and inciteful polarization on Fox, the Tea Party rallies, etc.

I fear what this year could bring with the nutcase stuff. I know I've greatly toned down my anti government rhetoric, even tho it came more from a leftist point of view.

I don't think that any of us should temper our anti-government rhetoric for any reason. That's one difference between progressives and the fringe right - progressives can do enough independent thinking for themselves to be able to criticize the system until the world truly is a better place. The fringe right needs to be scared, they need someone to tell them how to channel that fear and how to think for them. If they were capable of independent thought and of higher levels of criticism, the wouldn't see the need to resort to physical violence against other humans.

God save us if these are the two lines of reasoning smart people in the US are subscribing to.

Stop with the left/right, for the love of all that is beautiful & joyful. Please.

/rant

[Luther Blissett]

I'm just saying I don't think 8bitagent should tone down their anti-government rhetoric. Is anyone here pro-government? And is anyone here with anti-government sentiments that way because they are anti-Semitic, scared, racist, violent? It doesn't fit the RI mold. Come on.

[Project Willow]

http://my.firedoglake.com/valtin/2011/01/08/jared-loughners-possible-mental-illness/

Jared Loughner’s Possible Mental Illness
By: Jeff Kaye Saturday January 8, 2011 4:07 pm
...
However, this doesn’t mean that mind control conspiracies by the government don’t exist. I’ve documented government documents, including of contemporary vintage, that prove such activity by the government still occurs. If one reads the history of this kind of research, attempts to really use mind control are not applied to schizophrenic individuals, though one does look for highly suggestible individuals, and then apply drugs and hypnosis and other programming techniques. The success or failure of such enterprises is highly classified.

Thank you Dr. Kaye. I wonder if he's considered the possibility that some subjects end up schizophrenic because they weren't properly tested and can't dissociate adequately enough to compensate for the conditioning they've been subjected to.

Here’s an example taken from one of Mr. Loughner’s videos, showing the strangeness of his thinking and language, which is circular, syntactically intact, but with extremely opaque meaning, which relies on repetitiveness. The language implies something very profound, which only the thinker understands:

Just call it art.

[Simulist]

While there is a distinction to be made between the genuine Left and the Right, it is also clear to me that this distinction is rarely evident in the behavior of the two major political parties in America today. Rhetoric is sometimes another matter, but talk is cheap.

Vast numbers of so-called "progressives" seem equally eager to advocate for the whims of the establishment as the so-called "conservatives," but they do it with wording that traditionally sounds more sensitive. And yet, when push comes to shove — and the establishment wants another war, for example — most politicians that label themselves "progressives" eagerly line up to fund it, lots of "progressive" media apologists find a way to make the case to the progressive base, and the dissenting voices on the genuine (and toothless) Left help progressives feel that they're still on the side of "the good guys."

[Ouish!]

"Erad" makes me think of "eradicate."

"Erad3" sounds like a killer robot.

[SonicG]

Text of DHS Memo on Loughner
MEMO:
... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?*[/b] no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation...

Politico has that here as well. I would be the last person to play down what role the RWNJ might have in ramping up the mental illness of this young man but the reporting here is a bit odd as she is not the first Jewish female senator. AmRen is definitely a hate-filled racist rag but do they have any organizational component? Has there been any evidence in Loughner's rambling of racism or anti-immigrant? Besides the gibberish about language?

[Canadian_watcher]

While there is a distinction to be made between the genuine Left and the Right, it is also clear to me that this distinction is rarely evident in the behavior of the two major political parties in America today. Rhetoric is sometimes another matter, but talk is cheap.

Vast numbers of so-called "progressives" seem equally eager to advocate for the whims of the establishment as the so-called "conservatives," but they do it with wording that traditionally sounds more sensitive. And yet, when push comes to shove — and the establishment wants another war, for example — most politicians that label themselves "progressives" eagerly line up to fund it, lots of "progressive" media apologists find a way to make the case to the progressive base, and the dissenting voices on the genuine (and toothless) Left help progressives feel that they're still on the side of "the good guys."

precisely.