McKenna: Girl of the Year 2012

[wordspeak2]

Stephen, you know less than nothing about this subject, as you've never taken these substances. I don't comment on things that I don't know about- say, quantum physics. Have you ever even been high, Stephen, as in marijuana/cannabis? As for the CIA promoting psychedelics- right, tell that to these people at MAPS who have been working for several decades just to get funding for approval for psychedelic and cannabis research studies and have been stonewalled by government agencies at every turn.
The substances speak for themselves. You're spouting a bunch of "DARE" propaganda that's taught to fifth graders, Stephen. If you *really* want to see things "how they are" then take a plant entheogen.

Anywho, though- Weather Balloons, if you've never hallucinated you haven't gone that far with mushrooms. It's relatively easy with a decent dosage. I wish you wonderful voyages! And hallucinations are just a physical manifestation of a transcendental mind state. With DMT or mushrooms the open-eyed visuals are insanely mind-blowing, blowing out of the water the greatest things you could find in an art museum.... but it's what you see and experience behind closed eyelids in the dark that's the the most profound. "The closed-eye visuals"... that's the shit.

NaturalMystik, there's a lot of DMT out there; it's fairly easy to extract from mimosa hostilis bark. Feel free to PM me. As far as salvia... that's what I've heard, is that there is a potential dark energy. A lot of people report having "scary" experiences, where you don't get that with mushrooms or DMT. That's part of why I've steered clear of it. But, on the other hand, people who do embrace it and have positive experiences talk about it on a level, if not quite the sheer bizarreness, of DMT.
Ayahuasca I haven't taken. I'm going to go down to Peru or Ecuador one of these times do it properly at some point. A lot of people who voyage in tryptamines prefer ayahuasca over smoked DMT, because it's "more navigable" with its length and less abrasive nature.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

I have had only good experiences with Salvia. Smoking cannabis has demotivated me and I now consider it a feel-bad drug. It's only when i stopped smoking for a LONG time that i realised how negatively it affected me. Off course this is also due to the society where we live in. There is such a thing as being too relaxed in this world, which can backfire on you in the form of missed opportunities etc. I think that all drugs are a gamble as the effects are caused by a very complicated interaction between your personality, the environment, how you are feeling that particluar moment, the unpredicatble strength of the drug, other foods you have eaten etc. and so i would never advise anyone to use them. The advise McKenna gives to "not diddle the dose" and that if you're not scared you have taken too much you haven't taken enough, is in my opinion very irresponsible. I also don't think you have to have taken any drugs to have an informed opinion on them.

[Stephen Morgan]

Stephen, you know less than nothing about this subject, as you've never taken these substances. I don't comment on things that I don't know about- say, quantum physics. Have you ever even been high, Stephen, as in marijuana/cannabis? As for the CIA promoting psychedelics- right, tell that to these people at MAPS who have been working for several decades just to get funding for approval for psychedelic and cannabis research studies and have been stonewalled by government agencies at every turn.

Judge for yourself who knows more, someone's who's taken the but is so massively ignorant of their history, or soeone who knows their history and doesn't take them. According to your argument I can't argue against jumping off cliffs either, having never done it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Stephen, you know less than nothing about this subject, as you've never taken these substances. I don't comment on things that I don't know about- say, quantum physics. Have you ever even been high, Stephen, as in marijuana/cannabis? As for the CIA promoting psychedelics- right, tell that to these people at MAPS who have been working for several decades just to get funding for approval for psychedelic and cannabis research studies and have been stonewalled by government agencies at every turn.

Judge for yourself who knows more, someone's who's taken the but is so massively ignorant of their history, or soeone who knows their history and doesn't take them. According to your argument I can't argue against jumping off cliffs either, having never done it.

And if you had where I do it you wouldn't argue against it either.



(bloody hell they look young, - I'm getting soooo old.)



Those last two are just round the corner at Hanging Rock (Not the picnic one.) I've helped pull bodies out of that waterhole so I'm a bit funny about swimming there these days.



Stephen, what about the thousands of years of historical use of entheogens and psychedelics by people not associated with the CIA and nefarious mind controlling freaks? Or does history just start when white people notice something?

[sunny]

Smoking cannabis has demotivated me and I now consider it a feel-bad drug.

This happens to me when I smoke too much. I no longer smoke every day just because I have it, I make a special occasion of it when I want to enhance an experience with art, film, or music.

[Weather Balloons]

Judge for yourself who knows more, someone's who's taken the but is so massively ignorant of their history, or soeone who knows their history and doesn't take them. According to your argument I can't argue against jumping off cliffs either, having never done it.

Stephen, what do you consider to be the history of natural psychedelics? Based on your assertions, it appears as though you believe them to have been invented by the CIA or other comparable intelligence agencies, which is a position that I find to be as lacking in rigor as it is in intuition. Perhaps if you had tried any "drugs" other that alcohol you might be able to realize that any and all perceptions are simply perceptions, not certainties.

If you would prefer to avoid intuition altogether, then allow me to suggest the obvious possibility that your views on the matter have been skewed intentionally by TPTB in order to prevent you from ever having a bonafide spiritual experience. It seems rather probable to me that, even based on purely analytical terms, it appears as though the foundation of all religions is based on some sort of psychedelic experiences. Well, that and astrology. Perhaps you have a more plausible theory? Hopefully it doesn't involve someone coming back to life after being dead for 3 days, because that one is rather difficult to substantiate by even the wildest stretch of the imagination.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

idk Sunny.. is eating too many snacks and falling asleep halfway through really such an enhancement? i used to think that it was, but now i'm not so sure anymore. it depends on the movie i guess

[sunny]

Resist the munchies! Eating makes you sleepy and kills your buzz.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

I've tried smoking weed without eating M&M's but for me it's really hard.

[brainpanhandler]

With DMT or mushrooms the open-eyed visuals are insanely mind-blowing, blowing out of the water the greatest things you could find in an art museum.... but it's what you see and experience behind closed eyelids in the dark that's the the most profound. "The closed-eye visuals"... that's the shit.

Permit me to suggest an experiment - Get yourself into a completely lightless environment and keep your eyes open. I won't tell you what I experienced.

As far as salvia... that's what I've heard, is that there is a potential dark energy. A lot of people report having "scary" experiences

I would call it 'trickster' energy.

[wordspeak2]

The weed conversation is funny. Sunny's right- eating junk food especially really kills your high. The "munchies" phenomenon is due to cannabis calming your system down and helping you realize you're hungry. Keep some carrots and hummus around.

There was an epic Reddit thread about cannabis yesterday. Someone who's never smoked it before asked specifically for people's worst experiences with the drug. There were a lot of semi-sarcastic responses like, "I once ate a whole bag of Fritos after getting high," or, of course, "I got arrested for a small amount." There were a fair amount of bad experiences, though, almost in every single instance because people either smoked way too much and/or combined with alcohol. There is a minority of people, though, granted, who have bad reactions to it at first, for various reasons, as well as people who eventually turn on it after smoking five blunts a day for years straight (we call that abuse). Pierre, I don't know what your story is exactly, but I think everyone can have really positive experiences with it, though, given the right circumstance. The herb should be high-quality, don't drink at the same time, and keep away from junk food. On the other hand, if you're sort of set against it right now, maybe wait six months and try again. Pot is a very funny thing in the way it affects different people differently. I think all that tells us is that getting high is you-meeting-the-plant. I don't believe that "some people just can't get high in a good way." People who get "really paranoid" are almost always paranoid people. etc. Weed brings out what's in you. I just read a really excellent book that MAPS put out called "The Pot Book", and there was a chapter that described how people relate to and understand getting high. Like any consciousness-altering experience it takes "practice," mostly understanding what you're looking for, learning to identify it... I had a college friend who hadn't gotten high in about a dozen attempts at it. We finally helped her get there.

As far as history, Terence McKenna wrote the classic on the whole history of drugs and evolution, "Food of the Gods." This is pretty much his magnum opus, if anyone hasn't read it. The drugs that are pushed by today's society, such as alcohol and coffee, are conducive to war and consumerism. The ones that are repressed, cannabis and psychedelics- are conducive to cooperation, peacefulness, non-materialism. This dichotomy defines our world more than anything else. The war being waged on medical marijuana right now is mind-blowing. It's a fucking plant. It helps people who are sick, which is most of us. But, it's a plant that, in its wonderfully gentle and friendly way, challenges the gory foundations of consumer capitalism and the war machine that defends it. That's its real crime.

As for jumping off cliffs, just make sure that the water below is really deep. Maybe talk to some people who have already jumped off that cliff. Silliness.

[Joe Hillshoist]

As for jumping off cliffs, just make sure that the water below is really deep. Maybe talk to some people who have already jumped off that cliff. Silliness.

This is actually quite important. Along with things like making sure you are capable of swimming out of the deep water and getting back onto land. Try not to hit turtles.

Don't do it during flooding.

People who get "really paranoid" are almost always paranoid people. etc.

Yeah that may be true, but unless those people do something to deal with their paranoia odds are using pot is not gonna be a pleasant experience for them. Maybe they have a chemical imbalance in their neuro-chemistry, and if so, then perhaps no amount of "dealing with it" is gonna help.

[Stephen Morgan]

Stephen, what do you consider to be the history of natural psychedelics? Based on your assertions, it appears as though you believe them to have been invented by the CIA or other comparable intelligence agencies, which is a position that I find to be as lacking in rigor as it is in intuition. Perhaps if you had tried any "drugs" other that alcohol you might be able to realize that any and all perceptions are simply perceptions, not certainties.

Alcohol is the ultimate drug. It's the original, it's natural, even animals hanker after it. Ale takes it's name from the Saxon term for a mystical invocation of protection, "alu", often found incribed on stones in futhark runes. As does the word hallucination. Of course I don't expect you to stand up for that, because alcohol is common enough for everyone to have experienced it so it doesn't have the same kind of cachet as fungus, or natural plant entheogens if one prefers to call a spade a forged metalic digging implement.

If you would prefer to avoid intuition altogether, then allow me to suggest the obvious possibility that your views on the matter have been skewed intentionally by TPTB in order to prevent you from ever having a bonafide spiritual experience.

Might I suggest that you have been manipulated by TPTB into allowing your brain to be rewired in ways of which they approve, such as being brainwashed into thinking one can have an artificially induced spritual experience.

It seems rather probable to me that, even based on purely analytical terms, it appears as though the foundation of all religions is based on some sort of psychedelic experiences. Well, that and astrology. Perhaps you have a more plausible theory? Hopefully it doesn't involve someone coming back to life after being dead for 3 days, because that one is rather difficult to substantiate by even the wildest stretch of the imagination.

Wouldn't be much of a miracle if it was plausible, would it?

[crikkett]

Might I suggest that you have been manipulated by TPTB into allowing your brain to be rewired in ways of which they approve, such as being brainwashed into thinking one can have an artificially induced spritual experience.

Sweetheart, there's an entire branch of Buddhism devoted to the concept of chemically induced spiritual experience.

Not to mention the modern-day neuroscience devoted to the concept.

Brainwashing. Please. Grasping at straws, much?

[Simulist]

Might I suggest that you have been manipulated by TPTB into allowing your brain to be rewired in ways of which they approve, such as being brainwashed into thinking one can have an artificially induced spritual experience.

If "TPTB" had "approved" and disapproved sorts of brain rewiring "spiritual experiences," they might give, say, tax breaks to approved suppliers (religions) instead of lengthy prison terms for the disapproved ones (entheogens).