David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:40 am

JackRiddler wrote:Well, if of all people Raimondo sees Israelis behind this, case closed!

A collection of loose associations and insinuations strung into only one of all possible interpretations as usual. By omission of all other possibilities, it's made to appear definitive, at least to those who are ready to agree that the answer is almost always Israel.

Whom did Broadwell know, associate with or have an academic position in the past? A great many, apparently, but let's find Jews. (Not Bill Maher, however, that's not the narrative we're looking for.) After mentioning Jebsen, Raimondo throws in various other institutions that have hosted Broadwell, as though they're in the same vein. (And they are, in a way, but as bits of the MIC-Educational...)

Who would benefit or be happy to see Petraeus destroyed? Doubtless a very long list of enemies and haters, but let's say it's Israel and done!

Who has been known for using the technique of sex scandal to knock off political opponents in the past? It's prevalent all over the world, let's just point out that Israelis did it!

Add lots of color and pretend all is equally relevant and supportive of the foregone conclusion. (Raimondo may not know what his column will be about a week in advance, but he'll generally know what his conclusion will be.) Example of vague insinuation:

Interestingly, in November of 2006, during her tenure at the Jebsen Center, Broadwell led a group of Fletcher School students on a trip to New York City to meet with then Iranian UN representative Javad Zarif. Both are alumni of the Josef Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver.


"Interestingly"!

Damned if that girl's not Mossad!

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That's right Jack Mossad wouldn't have the time to fool around with little ol' Paula....let alone Petraeus......sorry did I link to stormfront?....did someone from DU send you here to chastise me for linking to AntiWar? Or did you forget where you were posting? Remember I don't post at DU any longer...we have the right to post more stuff here, Jeff is not Skinner......and if you hadn't noticed I've posted a bunch of stuff in this thread....not at all pertaining to what YOU are referring to...or is Robert, Consortium News a problem for you now also?

Mossad Tried to Kill Saddam With Exploding Book: Report

By RYM MOMTAZ (@RymMomtaz)
Nov. 12, 2012
The Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, which has a long history of using techniques like exploding phones and assassins in wigs to take out Israel's enemies, tried and failed to kill Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein with a book bomb in the 1970s, according to documentary that airs in Israel Monday night.

But the film "Sealed Lips" says that the notoriously paranoid Hussein refused to open the package containing the book himself, and instead had another Iraqi official open it. The official was killed. Brigadier-General Tzuri Sagi, the mastermind of the alleged operation, told filmmakers the device was prepared by an Israeli bombmaker identified only as "Natan."

The movie, which details the career of Yitzhak Yofi, head of the Mossad from 1974 to 1982, reveals that Mossad also used a letter-bomb in a failed hit on Nazi Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's right-hand man in the extermination of Jews. Brunner had been living in Syria for decades. He is reported to have died of natural causes in 1996.

READ: The Mossad's Greatest Hits

The alleged attempt on Saddam Hussein's life had previously been unreported, though two subsequent alleged Mossad assassination attempts in 1992 and 1999 have been mentioned in the media.

In the early 1970s Israel was believed to have been assisting the Iraqi Kurdish separatist guerillas via the Shah of Iran's special forces. Iraq and Iran fought a bloody war from 1980 to 1989. In 1991, during the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein bombed Tel Aviv and Israel's main seaport Haifa with Scud missiles.



The Mossad has a rich history of targeted assassinations, mainly against Palestinian faction leaders. In the 1970s, Israeli agents killed a member of Black September, which was responsible for the 1972 Olympics massacre, by detonating his telephone. Most recently, a hit squad made up of dozens of men and women traveling on fake passports and wearing disguises that included wigs and tennis outfits were believed to have assassinated Hamas leader Mahmoud al Mabhouh in his Dubai hotel room in 2010.



Behind Petraeus’s Resignation
November 10, 2012
Exclusive: The resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus over an extramarital affair marks a stunning reversal for the longtime media darling. But some in President Obama’s inner circle are not displeased the neocon-friendly ex-general is gone, reports Robert Parry.


By Robert Parry

The messy departure of CIA Director David Petraeus over an extramarital affair removes the last high-ranking neoconservative holdover from George W. Bush’s administration and gives the reelected President Barack Obama more maneuvering room to negotiate a settlement over Iran’s nuclear program.

Petraeus’s resignation along with a public acknowledgement of an affair, reportedly with an admiring female biographer, raised eyebrows in Washington for reasons beyond the sudden and humiliating fall of the high-flying former four-star general. Normally, in such situations, a cover story is used to spare someone of Petraeus’s stature embarrassment.


David Petraeus, a two-star general during the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace.
Especially in the days after a president’s reelection, it would not be uncommon for a senior official to announce new career plans or a desire to spend more time with the family. Instead, Petraeus’s resignation was accompanied by an admission of the affair. Press reports identified the woman as Paula Broadwell, who co-authored a biography of Petraeus, All In: The Education of General David Petraeus.

One person familiar with the Obama administration’s thinking said President Obama was never close to Petraeus, who was viewed as a favorite of the neoconservatives and someone who had undercut a possible solution to Iran’s nuclear program in 2011 by pushing a bizarre claim that Iranian intelligence was behind an assassination plot aimed at the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

As that case initially evolved, the White House and Justice Department were skeptical that the plot traced back to the Iranian government, but Petraeus pushed the alleged connection which was then made public in a high-profile indictment. The charges further strained relations with Iran, making a possible military confrontation more likely.

Petraeus’s Input

At the time, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, a favored recipient of official CIA leaks, reported that “one big reason [top U.S. officials became convinced the plot was real] is that CIA and other intelligence agencies gathered information corroborating the informant’s juicy allegations and showing that the plot had support from the top leadership of the elite Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the covert action arm of the Iranian government.”

Ignatius added that, “it was this intelligence collected in Iran” that swung the balance. But Ignatius offered no examples of what that intelligence was. Nor did Ignatius show any skepticism regarding Petraeus’s well-known hostility toward Iran and how that might have influenced the CIA’s judgment.

As it turned out, the case was based primarily on statements from an Iranian-American car dealer Mansour Arbabsiar, who clumsily tried to hire drug dealers to murder Saudi Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir, though Arbabsiar was actually talking to a Drug Enforcement Agency informant. Arbabsiar pled guilty last month as his lawyers argued that their client suffers from a bipolar disorder. In other words, Petraeus and his CIA escalated an international crisis largely on the word of a person diagnosed by doctors of his own defense team as having a severe psychiatric disorder.

Despite the implausibility of the assassination story and the unreliability of the key source, the Washington press corps quickly accepted the Iranian assassination plot as real. That assessment reflected the continued influence of neoconservatives in Official Washington and Petraeus’s out-sized reputation among journalists.

The neocons, who directed much of President George W. Bush’s disastrous foreign policy and filled the ranks of Mitt Romney’s national security team, have favored a heightened confrontation with Iran in line with the hardline position of Israel’s Likud Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In the post-election period, it is a top neocon goal to derail Obama’s efforts to work out a peaceful settlement of the dispute over Iran’s nuclear program. The neocons favor “regime change.”

Suspect Loyalties

Petraeus’s ideological alignment with the neocons threatened to undercut the administration’s unity behind Obama’s peace initiative. Thus, according to the person familiar with the administration’s thinking, some key figures close to the President wanted Petraeus out and there was no sadness that his personal indiscretions contributed to his departure.

Regarding the facts behind Petraeus’s sudden resignation, the New York Times reported that the FBI had begun an investigation into a “potential criminal matter” several months ago that was not focused on Petraeus. It was in the course of an their inquiry into whether a computer used by Petraeus had been compromised that agents discovered evidence of the relationship as well as other security concerns. About two weeks ago, FBI agents met with Petraeus to discuss the investigation, the Times reported.

According to the Times, one congressional official who was briefed on the matter said Petraeus had been encouraged “to get out in front of the issue” and resign, and that he agreed.

Though held in high esteem by Official Washington for his role in advocating “surges” of U.S. troops in Iraq in 2007 and in Afghanistan in 2009, Petraeus actually has a less than sterling record of military success. He was in charge of a trouble-plagued effort to train a new Iraqi army after the U.S. invasion in 2003, and his supposedly successful “surge” in Iraq was more a public relations success than a change in the strategic trajectory toward ultimate U.S. failure there.

The Unsuccessful Surge

The reality regarding the Iraq “surge” in 2007 was that much of the reduction in violence in Iraq derived from policies of Petraeus’s predecessors, including the implementation of the so-called Sunni Awakening which involved paying off Sunni tribal leaders to turn against al-Qaeda extremists and the killing of al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Sectarian violence also had led to a de facto separation of Sunnis and Shiites and thus a natural burning-out of the civil strife. All these developments occurred in 2006 before President Bush ordered the “surge” in 2007 and put Petraeus in charge.

The “surge” actually led to a spike in violence in Iraq before the other factors contributed to a gradual reduction. Nevertheless, Official Washington’s conventional wisdom was framed around the “successful surge” credited to President Bush, Gen. Petraeus and the neocons.

Though nearly 1,000 U.S. soldiers died during the “surge,” its primary effect was to enable Bush and the other Iraq War architects to leave office without the legacy of a clear-cut military defeat hung around their necks. At the end of 2011, the U.S. military left Iraq with little to show for Bush’s investment of blood and treasure.

Besides Bush, the chief beneficiaries of the “successful surge” myth were Gen. Petraeus and Bush’s last Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Both remained as part of the high command after Barack Obama took office in 2009, as the young President didn’t want an abrupt break with Bush’s war policies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the “continuity” trapped Obama when he tried to steer the wars toward conclusions. While pursuing the drawdown of troops in Iraq, he asked for less aggressive options in the Afghan War, only to have Gates, Petraeus and other Bush holdovers maneuver him into authorizing another “surge” for Afghanistan.

Behind the President’s Back

As Bob Woodward reported in his book, Obama’s Wars, it was Bush’s old team that made sure Obama was given no option other than to escalate troop levels in Afghanistan substantially. The Bush holdovers also lobbied for the troop increase behind Obama’s back.

According to Woodward’s book, Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, refused to even prepare an early-exit option that Obama had requested. Instead, they offered up only plans for their desired escalation of about 40,000 troops.

Woodward wrote: “For two exhausting months, [Obama] had been asking military advisers to give him a range of options for the war in Afghanistan. Instead, he felt that they were steering him toward one outcome and thwarting his search for an exit plan. He would later tell his White House aides that military leaders were ‘really cooking this thing in the direction they wanted.’”

In mid-2011, Obama finally eased Gates out of the Pentagon and replaced him with one of the President’s most trusted advisers, Leon Panetta, who had been serving as director of the CIA. At CIA, Panetta had overseen backchannel contacts between the White House and the Iranian leadership and other sensitive initiatives.

To complete the personnel shift – and to keep the Republican-leaning Petraeus out of presidential politics in 2012 – Obama put Petraeus in as CIA director. But Obama’s inner circle never trusted Petraeus who was known to have built political support for his military career by cultivating the loyalty of Washington’s top neoconservatives.

Friendly Neocons

For instance, in 2009 when Obama was deciding what to do about Afghanistan, Gen. Petraeus personally arranged extraordinary access to U.S. field commanders for two of his influential neocon friends, Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations and Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute.

“Fears of impending disaster are hard to sustain … if you actually spend some time in Afghanistan, as we did recently at the invitation of General David Petraeus, chief of U.S. Central Command,” they wrote upon their return.

“Using helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft, and bone-jarring armored vehicles, we spent eight days traveling from the snow-capped peaks of Kunar province near the border with Pakistan in the east to the wind-blown deserts of Farah province in the west near the border with Iran. Along the way we talked with countless coalition soldiers, ranging from privates to a four-star general,” they said.

Their access paid dividends for Petraeus when they penned a glowing report in the Weekly Standard about the prospects for success in Afghanistan – if only President Obama sent more troops and committed the United States to stay in the war for the long haul.

Besides getting neocons to put public pressure on the President, Petraeus turned to Boot in 2010 when Petraeus felt he had made a mistake in allowing his official congressional testimony to contain mild criticism of Israel. His written testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee had included the observation that “the enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests” in the Middle East and added:

“Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. … Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support.”

Though the testimony might strike some readers as a no-brainer, many neocons regard any suggestion that Israeli intransigence on Palestinian peace talks contributed to the dangers faced by American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as a “blood libel” against Israel.

A Happy Face

So, when Petraeus’s testimony began getting traction on the Internet, the general quickly turned to Boot and began backtracking on the testimony. “As you know, I didn’t say that,” Petraeus said, according to one e-mail to Boot timed off at 2:27 p.m., March 18, 2010. “It’s in a written submission for the record.”

In other words, Petraeus was arguing that the comments were only in his formal testimony and were not repeated by him in his oral opening statement. However, in the real world, the written testimony of a witness is treated as part of the official record at congressional hearings with no meaningful distinction from oral testimony.

In another e-mail, as Petraeus solicited Boot’s help in tamping down any controversy over the Israeli remarks, the general ended the message with a military “Roger” and a sideways happy face, made from a colon, a dash and a closed parenthesis, “:-).”

The e-mails were made public by James Morris, who runs a Web site called “Neocon Zionist Threat to America.” Morris said he apparently got the Petraeus-Boot exchanges by accident when he sent a March 19, 2010, e-mail congratulating Petraeus for his testimony and Petraeus responded by forwarding one of Boot’s blog posts that knocked down the story of the general’s implicit criticism of Israel.

Petraeus forwarded Boot’s blog item, entitled “A Lie: David Petraeus, Anti-Israel,” which had been posted at the Commentary magazine site at 3:11 p.m. on March 18. However, Petraeus apparently forgot to delete some of the other exchanges between him and Boot at the bottom of the e-mail.

Morris sent me the e-mails at my request after an article by Philip Weiss appeared about them at Mondoweiss, a Web site that deals with Middle East issues. When I sought comment from Petraeus and Boot regarding the e-mails, neither responded.

Obama’s decision to entrust a position as crucial as CIA director to Petraeus, an ambitious man with strong ties to the neocons, was always a risk. While Obama may have been thinking that he was keeping Petraeus out of a possible run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, the President put Petraeus in a spot where he could manipulate the intelligence that drives government policies.

Finally, as Obama heads into a second term, he appears to be clearing the decks so he can move ahead more aggressively with his own foreign policy. Robert Gates departed in mid-2011; David Petraeus has now resigned in ignominy; and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who often sided with Gates and Petraeus in taking neocon-style policy positions, is expected to step down soon.

Belatedly, Obama seems to have learned a key lesson of modern Washington: surrounding yourself with ideological and political rivals may sound good but it is usually an invitation to have your policies sabotaged.
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:04 am

So your argument is that Mossad is bad and has done bad things, therefore anyone who expects solid evidence when any bad thing is said to come from Mossad is actually just a blind defender of the Zionists. The Mossad once tried to kill Saddam with an exploding book: Therefore Broadwell is Mossad! (Add irrelevant detail. This isn't DU? Really?! Thanks for clearing that up! And thanks for the lesson in impeccable logic.)

Here, let's see if I can't do the same thing.

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This extremely important document is one of the last major pieces of the puzzle explaining American and British roles in the August 1953 coup against Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq. Written in March 1954 by Donald Wilber, one of the operation’s chief planners, the 200-page document is essentially an after-action report, apparently based in part on agency cable traffic and Wilber’s interviews with agents who had been on the ground in Iran as the operation lurched to its conclusion.

Long-sought by historians, the Wilber history is all the more valuable because it is one of the relatively few documents that still exists after an unknown quantity of materials was destroyed by CIA operatives – reportedly “routinely” – in the 1960s, according to former CIA Director James Woolsey. However, according to an investigation by the National Archives and Records Administration, released in March 2000, “no schedules in effect during the period 1959-1963 provided for the disposal of records related to covert actions and, therefore, the destruction of records related to Iran was unauthorized.” (p. 22) The CIA now says that about 1,000 pages of documentation remain locked in agency vaults.


CIA has it in for Iran since the 1950s. Petraeus might not have wanted to attack Iran. (Do I know that? Who needs to know!) Therefore: Broadwell obviously working for CIA to take out Petraeus. What, are you defending the CIA?! This isn't DU, damn it! I can say what I like! Who benefits?! I saw Broadwell talking to someone associated with CIA, what more do you fucking need?

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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:09 am

JackRiddler wrote:So your argument is that Mossad is bad and has done bad things, therefore anyone who expects solid evidence when any bad thing is said to come from Mossad is actually just another blind defender of the Zionists. Add lots of irrelevant detail. This isn't DU? Really?! Thanks for clearing that up! And thanks for the lesson in impeccable logic.

Here, let's see if I can't do the same thing.

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Therefore Broadwell obviously working for CIA to take out Petraeus. What, are you defending the CIA?! This isn't DU, damn it! I can say what I like! Who benefits?! I saw Broadwell talking to someone associated with CIA, what more do you fucking need?

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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:11 am

Yes, damn it! I can post anything I like here and not be censored!!! You can't stop me! This isn't DU! Stop threatening me!!!
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:17 am

JackRiddler wrote:Yes, damn it! I can post anything I like here and not be censored!!! You can't stop me! This isn't DU! Stop threatening me!!!



That's correct Jack I know you believe you are the smartest boy in the class (and sometimes you are just that) but that doesn't mean I will take your condescending crap without comment but do go on someone needs to keep us all safe from something or another
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:26 am

You posted something. I responded to it, critically. Rather than dealing with that, you immediately cry that you're being censored. That is ridiculous, and possibly indicative of just how hollow Raimondo's case is, since you don't offer a defense of it. In fact, you're trying to deter me from offering my criticism by throwing a tantrum.
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:36 am

just keep an eye on me Jack you never know what I'll be posting next that will not meet with your standards....did you notice ALL (18 I think) my posts in this thread or only one that you disagree with? And that one, you've decided is the be all end all of my thoughts on the subject

Done in by the PATRIOT Act: The Grand Irony of the Petraeus Sex Scandal
Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:44 — Anonymous
by:
Dave Lindorff


There is a delicious irony to the story of the crash-and-burn career of Four-Star General and later (at least briefly) CIA Director David Petraeus.

The man who was elevated to the ethereal ranks of a General Eisenhower or Robert E. Lee by swooning corporate myth makers like the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Trudy Rubin, the Washington Post’s David Iglesias, and the NY Times’ Michael Gordon, was never really that brilliant. It wasn’t his “surge” after all that quieted things down (temporarily) in Iraq; rather it was a deal to pay off the insurgents with cash to stand down until the US could gracefully pull out without the departing troops having to be shoot their way down to Kuwait in full retreat. As for his allegedly “brilliant” counterinsurgency policy of “winning hearts and minds,” we have already seen how well that has worked in Iraq, which is now basically a client state of Iran, and the writing is already on the wall in Afghanistan, where the US is almost universally loathed, with US forces spending most of their time looking out for Afghan soldiers who might turn their guns on their supposed ally and “mentor” American troops.

For a real measure of Gen. Petraeus, go to Admiral William Fallon -- that rare military leader who had the guts to tell President Bush and Cheney he would not allow an attack on Iran “on his watch,” thereby quite possibly saving us all from being at war with Iran years ago. Fallon, who at the time in 2007 was head of Centcom, the military command region covering the entire Middle East, once reportedly called, Petraeus, who was being put in charge of the Iraq theater, an “ass-licking little chicken-shit” -- to his face.

Waiting for the movie 'All In: The rise and fall of General Petraeus'


Anyhow, what makes the epic collapse of this consummate political general’s career so exquisite is that it was the post-9-11 spying capabilities of the FBI that allowed its agents to slip unannounced into the email of the General’s paramour, Paula Broadwell (a name that could have been selected by Ian Fleming!), and possibly into the general’s own email too, there to find the evidence, allegedly in the form of X-rated letters, of a covert adulterous relationship underway.

We now know that the FBI was alerted to this breach of decorum (if the illicit romance began while Petraeus was on active duty in Afghanistan, he could be prosecuted under the same rules that have led to the prosecution of many lower ranking offers: bringing ill-repute upon the military) and lack of judgement on the part of the head of the nation’s spooks, by a second woman, Jill Kelley, who was a volunteer military liaison and family friend of the Petraeus clan. Kelley’s closeness to Petraeus allegedly caused the jealous Broadwell to allegedly send threatening emails to her imagined rival, including one that told her to “stay away from my guy!”

It seems likely Kelley, in asking the FBI to put a halt to the threatening emails, would have been quick to point out that Broadwell was having an affair with Petraeus. In any event, once the FBI successfully got the telecom company she was using to allow them into Broadwell’s email, that would have been clear, and it would have been easy work to move on to the general’s own cache of love letters (in which he may have been referred to by Broadwell by what she told The Daily Show's John Stewart was his childhood nickname: "Peaches").

The CIA chief was thus done in by the Patriot Act and other assorted violations of the First and Fourth Amendments, all backed by Gen. Petraeus and his political promoters in Congress and the White House, as well as in the corporate media.

Of course, while we can enjoy this payback, and speculate on how it must be giving the shivers to many a philandering White House staffer and member of Congress, it should also be a warning to us all that the FBI, the CIA, and the myriad other intelligence agencies littering the US landscape, these days have virtually limitless ability to monitor our every email message, tweet and phone call.

Maybe we should invite the now humbled Petreaeus to become the poster child for a renewed battle to restore the Bill of Rights.
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby barracuda » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:43 am

Ben D wrote:The FBI has found 20,000 to 30,000 pages of potentially inappropriate emails and documents between General John Allen and Jill Kelley, says the Pentagon.


Thirty thousand pages, how proustian. Human sexuality comprises a vast counter-intelligence agency of its very own. Mossad's got nothing on the gonads.

Jill Kelley was receiving around thirty or forty emails a day from John Allen, and she decides it would be a good idea to contact the FBI?? Holy shit.
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:53 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:just keep an eye on me Jack you never know what I'll be posting next that will not meet with your standards....did you notice ALL (18 I think) my posts in this thread or only one that you disagree with? And that one, you've decided is the be all end all of my thoughts on the subject


Do you understand that this has nothing to do with you? You posted something, I responded. You made it personal because it always revolves around you. This is a discussion board, not your fucking scrapbook. I wish people would respond more often with their thoughts on articles I post wholesale, including negative thoughts, because it makes for discussion. I'm not threatened by it. So talk about Raimondo and his predictable pre-written bullshit if you like. Otherwise get the fuck off my back and stop pretending it's about you or anyone's censoring you when they point to something you happened to post. Okay?
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:59 pm

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Natalie Khawam, Gen. David Petraeus, Dr. Scott Kelley, his wife Jill Kelley
and Holly Petraeus, the wife of Gen. David Petraeus, watching the Gasparilla
parade from the comfort of tent on the Kelleys front lawn on Jan. 30. 2010, in Tampa, Fla.


Oh thank god, they actually ARE identical twins. Born, not made that way. What a fucking relief.

It may be a ridiculously false and unfair impression based on just a picture, but I figure Sartre could recast "No Exit" with me and these two and it would be just the same.
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:00 pm

President Barack Obama has put on hold General John Allen’s nomination as NATO’s supreme commander pending a probe into his email correspondence with a woman at the center of a sex scandal, a White House spokesman said Tuesday.

“At the request of the secretary of defense, the president has put on hold his nomination of Gen Allen as SACEUR pending the investigation of Gen Allen’s conduct by the Department of Defense IG (inspector general),” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

A US defense official said FBI investigators had uncovered a trove of 20,000 to 30,000 pages of correspondence — mostly emails — between Allen and Jill Kelley, a key figure in the scandal that brought down CIA chief David Petraeus.

“The allegations involve inappropriate communications” between Allen, the top US commander in Afghanistan, and Kelley, the official told reporters travelling with US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

Panetta said in a statement that his department was informed by the FBI on Sunday about the case and that he had referred it to the Pentagon’s inspector general for investigation.

Allen, the top US commander in Afghanistan, had been tapped to take over as the Supreme Allied Commander Europe before the latest cascade of revelations.


if they're counting the contents of e-mail in 'pages' I bet 50% of the pages are quotes of previous email. anyway you look at it though, that's a lot.

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Postby barracuda » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:04 pm

Jack and slad, you two could take that entire conversation to private messaging and none of your readers would be sad or try and stop you, I'll bet.

Kelly is Lebanese, so this has to be a Hezbollah op, right?

The widening scandal surrounding David Petraeus' affair has come to center not only on his mistress, but another woman -- described as a Tampa socialite -- whose relationship with the key players has raised tantalizing questions.

Jill Kelley is a raven-haired housewife who lives with her surgeon husband in a Florida mansion where they entertain the military's top brass. The 37-year-old mother of three is also a close family friend of Petraeus, 60, and according to sources regularly went shopping with the retired general's wife of 37 years, Holly.
Practically every recent development in the case seems to somehow involve Kelley.

Emails sent from Petraeus' biographer, Paula Broadwell, to Kelley ultimately led to the FBI's discovery that Broadwell and Petraeus were having an affair. Further, the FBI agent Kelley originally alerted about the emails was later taken off the case after concerns about his conduct, Fox News has learned -- including accusations that he sent shirtless photos of himself to Kelley.

But in the latest revelations, federal authorities are now reviewing between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of "potentially inappropriate" emails and other communications between Kelley and Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan. That's an average of at least between 27 and 41 pages of emails a day.
The nature of those emails is unclear, but apparently serious enough to merit an internal Pentagon probe. A senior defense official told The Associated Press that some of the documents and emails, many of which are emails sent from 2010 through 2012, were "flirtatious."

The emails would have spanned Allen's time as the deputy commander of Central Command in Tampa and his tenure as commander in Afghanistan, which began in July 2011. Allen's nomination to become the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe has since been put on hold. Allen, who was in Washington this week for his now-delayed nomination hearing, denies wrongdoing.

Kelley, meanwhile, has hired high-profile attorney Abbe Lowell, who previously represented disgraced Democratic presidential nominee John Edwards. Calls seeking comment from Lowell on Tuesday were not returned.

Sources close to the family told Fox News that Kelley, an unpaid social liaison to the military's Joint Special Operations Command in Florida, was not having an affair with Petraeus.

Still, it appears Broadwell suspected something was going on behind the scenes. In one of the anonymous emails allegedly sent by Broadwell to an account shared by Kelley and her husband, she claimed to have seen Kelley touching "him" -- an apparent reference to Petraeus -- provocatively underneath a table.

Kelley comes from a Lebanese family that emigrated to Philadelphia in the mid-1970s, and she later moved to Tampa around 2002 with her husband. The Kelleys frequently hosted gatherings for military personnel at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, home of U.S. Central Command.

Shortly after moving to the area, the Kelleys' $1.5 million, nearly 5,000-square-foot mansion became the "place to be seen" for military personnel. Petraeus himself marked his first celebration of the city's annual Gasparilla Pirate Festival on the Kelleys' lawn, the Tampa Bay Times reports.

Linda Baldwin, the owner of a company that catered that party, told the newspaper that Jill Kelley was an "awesome" client.

"Did so much for the military, fabulous mother and amazing wife; can't say enough nice things about her," Baldwin told the newspaper. "She never spared anything for the military. It was all about them."

Just three months after posing with David and Holly Petraeus on their lawn in 2010, the Kelleys were served with a foreclosure lawsuit. The suit focused on an office building in downtown Tampa, where court records indicated they owed the bank nearly $2.2 million. In 2011, a judge ordered the property to be put up for sale, the Tampa Bay Times reports.

Friends of the Kelleys told the newspaper that Jill Kelley's favorite topic of conversation is her husband, whom she sometimes refers to as "Dr. Kelley." Scott Kelley, a celebrated surgeon who previously worked at the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, is one of the world's few doctors who specialize in a type of surgery to cure cancer of the esophagus.

Since the Kelleys have arrived in Tampa, however, one or both have been the subjects of lawsuits a total of nine times, including an $11,000 judgment against them that originated in Pennsylvania. Other ongoing cases include, according to the newspaper and court records, an indebtedness case from Chase Bank, a foreclosure case from Regions Bank and a credit card case from FIA Card Services.

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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:08 pm

justdrew wrote:if they're counting the contents of e-mail in 'pages' I bet 50% of the pages are quotes of previous email. anyway you look at it though, that's a lot.


I see your 50% and raise to 89%. It's a form of fractional reserve banking!

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Prima facie, sure, but who knows for sure. It could just be of great geopolitical significance but it could also be accounts-settling of an extraordinary trivial kind, like someone getting revenge for imagined slights back in their West Point days. It's wonderful to see this monster go down, but so what? It's not so different from the way Wolfowitz was dispatched out of the World Bank. Aww, their poor little careers. We are never going to see these people in The Hague or on the same scaffold as Saddam, so it's minor schadenfreude, not justice.

mossad has nothing to gain from these hawks passage. quite the opposite I would think


no, no, no. As FDR said, "In politics nothing is coincidental. If it happened, it's always Mossad!"
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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:09 pm

barracuda wrote:Jack and slad, you two could take that entire conversation to private messaging and none of your readers would be sad or try and stop you, I'll bet.


Fuck your false equivalence. You know exactly what just happened. The only difference is that SLAD's tantrum wasn't directed at you, or you'd be reacting just the same way.

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Re: David Petraeus resigns as CIA chief citing affair

Postby barracuda » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Yes, you're right, I would. BUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN ME

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