uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

[Jerky]

(the above is not directed towards any single participant in this thread, btw)

That's really not an "out" for such Jerkishly phrased material, bruh.

If you're the voice of reason, voice it more reasonably going forward. Deal?

I never claimed to be the voice of reason. The articles I posted and linked to are, however, voices of reason in this debate, and what I was referring to.

J

[Elvis]

Agnosticism, or uncertainty, seems like the only honest position with something like this, as well as the only way to have a fruitful & exploratory discussion, which unfortunately isn't happening. I distrust it when folk combat what they see as blind zeal or gullibility with what's essentially an imitation of the same.

I stand by my original impression of Balderson, he seems to have an agenda/axe to grind for whatever reason, and his debunking pieces are just that, they're not balanced. At the very least, he's insensitive, and pretty obtuse, in asking questions like "Why do people believe with no evidence?" I wonder why, Keelan, when there's countless similar cases in the past when all the evidence has been buried, suppressed, destroyed or discredited by clever arguments and misrepresentation not that different from his own blog posts, and so the evidence takes years to finally come to light?

I don't have time to look for it, but I'm pretty sure I could find, copy & paste someone else's blogpost that would make at least as persuasive a case that something real was going on as Balderson's; and so on ~ back & forth we could go, getting nowhere slowly and painfully.

But if people keep thinking that shouting their opinions out loudly enough is a good substitute for reasoned debate, then all the more discerning voices and ears will quietly go elsewhere. I'm sure tempted to.

Meanwhile, what's not being addressed is the larger question of just how all this division, conflict, & hysteria is a great way to discourage people from thinking or talking about it, at all, and, if the Hampstead thing was all a hoax, the question of how & why the hoax was accomplished. If such were the case, wouldn't it be worth considering that it was created consciously and deliberately & in an organized fashion, and not assume it was simply the work of one spiteful drug addict and a crazed mother, "Phew! Case closed honey, the reports were all exaggerated, let's send Johnny back to school and go eat at McDonald's!"

That's a whole different sort of credulity.

This is so well said, and thanks guruilla, for the great inquiries and thoughtful analyses you bring us. Don't let the crass I-got-it-all-figured-out-yer-stupid types run you off.

[guruilla]

Much appreciated, Elvis.

Funny thing about your moniker + avatar, I used to use the forum ID Ghost of Elvis . . .

[guruilla]

Just to provide some context that I hope is kind of unncecessary for most posters at RI: Three years since Jimmy Savile's death, there's still a new news item that relates to him at least once a day.

Here's one from today from the BBC:

The man behind the allegations is in his 40s and has given detailed evidence to police working on Operation Midland that he was controlled by the paedophile "group" for nine years until the age of 16. He says three boys were killed.

Detectives used to investigating murders have described him as credible. His allegations are incredible or at least difficult to believe.

To be true, they require a conspiracy between at least a dozen men including senior politicians, decorated military leaders and security service chiefs.

Drivers and minders would have to have turned a blind eye to the delivery of children to distinctly adult environments, and parents would have to have either been complicit, hoodwinked, or so badly abused themselves that they didn't report the regular absences of those children.

Yet at the start of their inquiry, detectives said the story was "true".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34327976

Perhaps the idea of a community like Hampstead (where, as I say, I lived for several years) being infiltrated by pedophiles without anyone noticing seems incredible to the point of absurd; but the picture changes if I allow that the community might have been partially or even primarily set up by pedophiles in its early stages, long before I ever came along. (The same applies to Hollywood, the BBC, the House of Lords, and so on.) What makes me think I would be able to tell when I was in such a community? Because all the predators would have horns and tails? To get past the disbelief barrier for me requires thinking the unthinkable and then realizing that it's really just logical: predators need prey, and they will set traps to catch it. They will get together and form groups, create communities that shelter and protect them, but that also seem safe enough, to those outside their group, to lure them into it as prey. How else would I expect it to work?

None of that means that Hampstead is a den of sexual predators; all it implies is that a den of predators might look exactly like Hampstead, ie, a nice, liberal, quiet village neighborhood full of ordinary people. Tho Helena Bonham Carter & Tim Burton live there, I would see them around quite a bit. And let's not forget Leonard Cohen hanging out there in 1959, the same period he met Jacob Rothschild and was sent to Hydra; oh and lest we forget, the Tavistock clinic is also in Hampstead, used to pass it all the time well before I'd heard of it in the context of conspiracy lore. I remember seeing their sign once and remembering a very weird dream I'd had that Strieber was affiliated with a Tavistock group; again this was before I was conscious of that name meaning anything, and back when I was still a total fan of Strieber. But I digress. . . The Tavistock clinic is a few doors away from The Institute Of Group Analysis. Apparently it (the Tavistock Clinic) was the original organization that later birthed The Tavistock Institute, which has its headquarters in central London.

After the Second World War, the Tavistock Clinic became a leading clinic within the newly created National Health Service. At this point its education and training services were managed separately by the Tavistock Institute for Medical Psychology, which was also the umbrella for the Tavistock Institute (involved in social action research and thinking about group relations and organisational dynamics), and for work with marital couples. The clinic was managed on a democratic model by a professional committee and developed further its distinct focus on multi-disciplinary and community-centred work.

Which is reminding me that, as so much of the evidence I dug up over at the Occult Yorkshire thread indicated, "SRA" looks to be just one of several research branches, or tentacles, of a much larger social engineering operation, as well as a cover for it. An operation that may have included the UK medical establishment from its very inception on. (Jimmy Savile had the keys to Broadmoor and Reggie Kray's ear?? Just the continuation of a longstanding tradition, innit?)

[See for example this post from "Occult Yorkshire" linking UK's National Health Service to early psychiatric experimentation to London School of Economics to child-care to Tavistock to Broadmore//Jimmy Savile . . . kind of??

1929 With money from The Commonwealth Fund, a Diploma in Mental Health started at the London School of Economics to train Psychiatric Social Workers. The fund's Director, Barry Smith, had written in 1928 that "the training of psychiatric social workers is an essential and fundamental part of [a] child guidance program."

Returning to the specifics of this thread, there are some connections that may be worth following up (& which may intersect with some threads at the Yorkshire thread, rural poets and pedophilia, e.g.) noted in this short video:



It's part of a series which seems linked to the now disappeared https://hampsteadresearch.wordpress.com. I haven't had time to watch all the series but from some skipping through, it seems balanced and restrained and free from "hysteria." Maybe even thorough and meticulous to the point of being a bit dull.

Here are links to the other parts:

1: Connections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUz7nBGHVA
2: Police Raid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qpmSKjicPw
3: Teachers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpKGBaKs9U
5: Polly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpKGBaKs9U

The more I take the time to look into this, the more utterly improbable it becomes that such a sustained furor of confusion & controversy could be the result of two people making up stories! Even given the climate of growing suspicion and justified paranoia in the UK, the idea seems absurd to the point of contempt.

[divideandconquer]

I watched the videos in that Hampstead series, guruilla, and they did a pretty good job connecting the dots, which at first, might not seem like a big deal, but taken together--while these connections (some far-reaching), travel itineraries, deleted Facebook pages, name changes, disappearing information, Saturday night socializing, police raids on mother, wooing Wednesdays, etc., do not prove the children's claims--they, at the very least, point in the direction of substantiating the children's allegations.

I found the Sheffield Butcher's Hide and Skin Co /Galyana Upson connection disturbing (baby skin shoes?). In its own words, the Sheffield company treats and sells hides, skins, fat and bones. It is located right next to Rotherham, the focus of a recent pedophile scandal (not to mention the even larger covered up Sheffield pedophile scandal) and the home of the children's father. Galyana Upson, according to the testimony, is a high level active member of this cult, who as an estate dealer supposedly provides empty properties for ritual and abuse of the children. In addition she and her husband allegedly bring babies from Russia and Ukraine If I understand correctly, one of the directors of her company is also a director of this Sheffield company and her other director is an accused pedophile. Then, the Goldsmith couple who own companies with listed addresses that do not exist, and the one address that does exist, has 96 companies listed and it is blurred out on Google maps.

Here's the link to all 10 Hampstead videos in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9F379VIZ5ArO42NUSjSXxtxM6V5NuQnk

[backtoiam]

Savile's death, there's still a new news item that relates to him at least once a day.

Now that he is gone I suspect that he is being used a War Pony Trojan Horse. Nothing to lose. Trot him out and apply facts and circumstances to him that may or may not apply. He has nothing to lose. But muddy water is valuable whether he be in the same mud puddle or not.

I think I detect shit storms being created from multiple angles, perhaps coordinated, both muddy and true. Coming in a series, making it damn hard to detect the real wave.

just a hunch

[guruilla]

Thanks for that D & C, I'm glad someone followed up on those videos.

A bit more about the rural-poet-pedophile link I mentioned, though it's maybe a bit tenuous at present. In video 4, there's a reference to the Hampstead Parish church's possible ties to the St John of Hackney church, affiliated with which are various members of the Ovenden family, including artist Annie Ovenden and painter, writer, and convicted pedophile Graham Ovenden, both of whom helped form the Brotherhood of Ruralists, in 1975. Ovenden's mentor was famous Hampstead poet Sir John Betjeman. One of the bells of Christ Church Hampstead (center of the children's allegations) has a Betjeman quote engraved on it. As far as I could find, the quote is Long run the thunder/Of the bells through all

Searching for more about JB I learned that the Hampstead research site still exists but has moved to: http://www.hampsteadresearch.com/

I found this:

Summoned By Bells by John Betjeman

Walking from school is a consummate art:
Which route to follow to avoid the gangs,
Which paths to find that lead, circuitous,
To leafy squirrel haunts and plopping ponds,
For dreams of Archibald and Tiger Tim;
Which hiding place is safe, and when it is;
What time to leave to dodge the enemy.
I only once was trapped. I knew the trap –
I heard it in their tones: “Walk back with us.”
I knew they weren’t my friends; but that soft voice
Wheedled me from my route to cold Swain’s Lane.
There in a holly bush they threw me down,
Pulled off my shorts, and laughed and ran away;
And, as I struggled up, I saw grey brick,
The cemetery railings and the tomb.

as well some stuff about Betjeman, the Skull & Bones-esque Amicic fraternity to which he belonged, & this:

There is a suggestion that Betjeman had links to espionage and MI6. It is said that at one time he was on an IRA hit-list which was later withdrawn after he met and impressed an veteran IRA leader. Certainly he was at Marlborough and worked closely with no less a person than Anthony Blunt, later Russian spy and Keeper of the Queen’s Paintings
http://www.hampsteadresearch.com/2015/0 ... and-bones/

(Anthony Blunt has been linked to the Kincora boys home)

The woman running the site goes by the name of Jaqui Farmer, who wrote a book called Illuminati Party, which coincidentally I came on a few days ago during a Leonard Cohen search (I forget which term, probably Rothschild). There's lots of derogatory material on the web directed at Farmer.

There's an open letter to James Corbett of The Corbett Report about his interview with the above-quoted Keelan Balderson.

She also has this site: http://www.hampsteadresearch.com/

So if it was a hoax, Farmer would appear to be one of the primary architects of it. If not, one of the lone voices trying to counter the now-accepted narrative. She (if it is a she) is definitely painting her picture with way too wide a brush-stroke for my taste, Illuminati! Satanism! etc, but not so much that she can be dismissed as a kook, especially since her research seems pretty thorough.

[backtoiam]

My epiphany as regards this has almost come full circle and become complete. Only thing unknown is the nitty gritty details of the long and slow agonizing details of the implementation of the long slow mind fuck, whatever that will be..

This subject, for whatever reason, has been picked to become "in play news cycle bait". At least for a little while until all the scripts have been played out until they can be rewritten for the next round.

It has manifested itself in a myriad of ways lately. In another thread I said something similar to "i think i see a whole new orchestrated wave of crazy making in the mix" and I have not been disappointed.

This shit, the subject as a whole, is about as genuine as a U.S. Dollar Bill. Nobody with this proclivity regularly sticks their head out the window and says, "hey, i'm into this buggery, give me respect, I do what I do, and your kids maybe should like it when I come to your house." This is instant ass whoop and every clown knows it.

Seriously, how many people do you know that run into the street and shout their buggery desire? This reminds me of
White Christian Americans hate Raghead Islamics.

There are stupid rednecks that might want to whoop a Raghead ass, and i'm sure there are some Islamic folks that hate Americans. But, in the morning when we all wake up how many people say, "I would sure like to kill me a few Ragheads right quick before breakfast."?

Out of 300 million people maybe 20 really fucked up people might actually think that and none act on it.,

This recent news cycle is designed to freak people the fuck out and mix gay rights with it to a point that it becomes divisive so that it is intentionally confusing and mind numbing.

I have no idea how long this facet of the multi wave crazy will last but this subject is in serious play. Mixing this up with Gay rights so that the lines almost become indistinguishable seems like a given though.

As a side note I have seen some articles lately stating a basic premise similar to "men with small children in parks or public places should be watched and searched because we know men with small children are probably pedophiles maybe."

That is damn convenient with all these pedos crawling in the bushes in our front yards. NOT!!!

I suggest everybody take a deep breath on this subject and watch the long ass show because it ain't over and will have new twists as time goes by.

This ilk right here viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39148

Will probably drag Lesbians and everybody elses fake ass news articles into this as time goes by to create as much gender confusion shit storm as possible in a lot of new coming ways.

Some day we will have fake ass Mexican Gangs Against Lesbians and Gays or who knows how crazy it will ultimately get.

I am not amused nor fooled. I guess I will just watch the show.

Think about it. How often does this shit happen two doors down from you? Not saying it doesn't ever happen anywhere but 99.9% of living humans keep their genitals at home where they belong, or with a partner in a safe secret place, or whatever.

This Circus Train Rodeo is designed to sop up attention span like a sponge so that a damn brain can't fill itself with shit that actually does happen in 99.9% of our lives.

This sort of damn hocus pocus is only effective through technology. Otherwise all these pedos, gay people, and whoever else would almost not exist in our daily lives.

How many Gay people have any of us ever caught in our flower bed at night wanting to fuck us? Or pedos? Or whatever?

This shit has gone crazy and I think I will stop paying attention to it for a while.

I will however, of course, attempt to observe how it is covering up real abuse networks, how they may fit in, and where they may exist. But with all this damn noise how would we ever fucking know?

Which is probably another useful utility of this utter madness for the sick fuck actors that go from role to role pretending to be Gay, Pedo, Killers, Lesbians, Feminists, or whatever role the paycheck is paying for this week.

These pretenders who use these sexual groups for news baits are damn psychos. I'm so tired of these fuckers.

And while all this noise is happening anybody that is really trapped in it, and being abused, probably will never be found and helped with all this damn fake noise.

Maybe TV was a bad idea.

[Jerky]

Hey, DivideandConquer... answer this honestly. If hundreds of thousands of people from around the world started accusing you of being a Satanist, pedophile murderer, WOULD YOU DELETE YOUR FUCKING FACEBOOK PAGE?!

Jesus Christ. I feel like I've taken crazy pills. The lack of posters setting the True Believers in this case right is downright depressing.

J

[Jerky]

By the way, comments are blocked on all those videos you posted. I wonder why?

[Jerky]

Also, the creator of these videos has hidden their identity, and ELECTRONICALLY ALTERED THEIR VOICE.

Gee, I wonder why that might be? Perhaps she's a PEDOPHILE?!?!?

Fucking ridiculous.

J

[divideandconquer]

Hey, DivideandConquer... answer this honestly. If hundreds of thousands of people from around the world started accusing you of being a Satanist, pedophile murderer, WOULD YOU DELETE YOUR FUCKING FACEBOOK PAGE?!

Jesus Christ. I feel like I've taken crazy pills. The lack of posters setting the True Believers in this case right is downright depressing.

J

You get so worked up on behalf of the established adults in this case, yet you don't seem to give a fuck about the true innocent victims, the children. And why focus on the flimsiest part of what's exposed in these videos? Yes, I would delete my Facebook page (I haven't used Facebook in 3 years so no big deal) but I wouldn't CHANGE my name, quit my job, etc. In other words, it's much more than just deleting Facebook pages...the Facebook stuff is only one very small piece of a very large puzzle and probably the least important, in my humble opinion. Anyway, these videos are not what convinced me...far from it, just more people, places, connections to check out for myself. This information can be researched independently, you know...

The bottom line is that these kids were abused, the medical records prove it. Where is your outrage for these kids? How are you so certain that creepy actor father and the others mentioned are not involved? Moreover, there is plenty of evidence that these pedophile rings do exist and are much more prevalent than thought possible. Not to mention, the blatant cover-ups facilitated from the highest ranks. That's the one thing you can count on when these pedophile cases come to light, the establishment will use their power to cover up and shut down anything that points to establishment involvement.

Having said that, I am suspicious of everyone including the mother and boyfriend. I don't think it's a case of either/or. It's very possible that all of the people mentioned are in on this. The only thing I'm absolutely certain of is that the children are 100% victims and that they've been thrown to the wolves.

[Bryter]

I found the Sheffield Butcher's Hide and Skin Co /Galyana Upson connection disturbing (baby skin shoes?). In its own words, the Sheffield company treats and sells hides, skins, fat and bones.

Yes, quite disturbing. How about this - the website I've linked to below purports to sell merchandise made from human skin. I can't remember where I found this link but it was in the course of researching this hampstead case, so apologies if it was in this thread. I don't know if there's any connection besides being creepy as fuck.

http://www.humanleather.co.uk/

From the FAQ

Is this illegal?

Not at all. However, this is an expensive business, as the raw material is not cheap to produce or process, plus their is official hindrance along the way. We value our donors and we reward their beneficiaries and next of kin very handsomely. In fact, we have had to turn away some potential donors, as we can accept only the highest quality human skin. We can not give you the source of our raw product, we apologise.

[tapitsbo]

All this organized abuse can't be swept under the rug; therefore the revelations will be weaponized for divide and conquer purposes (not a reference to you, divideandconquer)

[Searcher08]

Also, the creator of these videos has hidden their identity, and ELECTRONICALLY ALTERED THEIR VOICE.

Gee, I wonder why that might be? Perhaps she's a PEDOPHILE?!?!?

Fucking ridiculous.

J

Why is the person who made those videos doing it?

I suggest because:
The police and legal folks drove a tank over what the children said without investigation.

Examples:
The interview sample of one of the kids was a complete frikken communication shambles.

The children were very specific and gave precise details of distinguishing marks of the genitals of the alleged abusers.

Instead? a mass of cops arrived to arrest the mother and legally nuke the investigation from orbit


GIVEN - the above
How SHOULD a concerned person try to assist?

I think the approach of trying to see if there are patterns that mirror what the kids are saying show up.

This is a tricky thing, because some patterns (say social networks) may have multiple explanations
There is also confirmation bias.

My take is that the videos are a mixed bag

The one about "Polly" is much less credible - the key fact was that the Polly the children related to "worked at Costa" - that is not remotely likely for the Polly referenced by the video.
The ones about the church connections MUCH more credible - in particular a deep connection to a very specific region of Ghana renowned for... baby trafficking. WTF?