Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby guruilla » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:07 pm

divideandconquer » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:57 am wrote:It occurred to me, while watching bits and pieces of the mini-series, "Childhood's End"--possibly predictive programming?-- that our evil overlords are unveiling themselves, that the 21st century will be the era of World Controllers, their relativistic, amoral and "Do What Thy Wilt" Weltanschauung prevailing at last. Only they fail to mention that as we traverse the moral Rubicon, "Do What Thy Wilt" really only applies to those who have the resources and power to do so, the very thing they're taking away from the rest of us at an increasingly rapid pace where our understanding of reality is progressively warped in this Orwellian world in which we live where "freedom is slavery" because their freedom is our slavery; their peace is our war; their strength comes from our ignorance...

I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” --Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means


The cognitive dissonance that is produced as our rulers gradually unmask, not to mention the possible unleashing and/or uploading of their demonic masters...yes, although far from certainty, I believe this is a possibility...ridicule away! creates this climate of unease. We all sense something's not right but cognitive dissonance blinds us to the cause even though it's right in front of our eyes.

The recent unveiling of the 9-foot, one-ton Satanic statue with admiring children--one of which is stabbed in the back-- in Detroit, sort of reinforced my belief, in a symbolic sense, that this is actually happening, not to mention the sympathy-for-the devil propaganda that seems to permeate pop culture including the new FOX show: "Lucifer". I have no doubt this show will be brilliant.

Actually I saw the trailer & it looks like it sucks pretty bad. The graphic novel it is based on is good though.

The Huxley quote is interesting. I had not seen it before. He does seem to be revealing something about the methods of social engineering, taking a profound truth and showing how it can be abused, as usual, by being used to empower the ego, the traumatized social alter.

I also think there is a deeper meaning to "freedom is slavery" than the one you are pointing out, D & C: that the social values being sold to us ~ such as the illusory idea of "freedom of choice" or "the pursuit of happiness" ~ are the "Luciferian" bait of ruling in hell, i.e., of being enslaved to our constructed identities, those shaped by trauma. The part of ourselves that will do anything not to re-experience that powerlessness, unconsciously align with the power of our abusers.

That's my take on it anyway, and the only "something that ain't right" that really counts, to me, is this one. The world has always belonged to satan....
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby DrEvil » Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:12 pm

That's my take on it anyway, and the only "something that ain't right" that really counts, to me, is this one. The world has always belonged to satan....


A small aside: Pretty sure the original ending to Lars Von Trier's Antichrist was supposed to be that Satan created Earth, not God, and then someone spoiled the ending and he rewrote it.

Haven't actually seen it though, but I've read the content advisory on imdb, which was more than enough. :)
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby Grizzly » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:44 pm

That's my take on it anyway, and the only "something that ain't right" that really counts, to me, is this one. The world has always belonged to satan....


No offensive, but what the fuck-ever. The only Mephistopheles is the archetype in my head. The rest of what you wrote rings true, in other words, resonates (for me). But to assign that kind energy to an outside entity, is just, I suspect, my inability to take responsibility for my own failings. My own personal demon, or Egregore. A reality construct of my own. Wilson says, "egregores seem to achieve sentience over time, and these may become independent of their creators" but I have yet to come to know that. Honesty, the only good I have ever know has been a meat puppet just like me, and the only evil I have ever known has been the same.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby guruilla » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:44 pm

Grizzly » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:44 pm wrote:
That's my take on it anyway, and the only "something that ain't right" that really counts, to me, is this one. The world has always belonged to satan....


No offensive, but what the fuck-ever. The only Mephistopheles is the archetype in my head. The rest of what you wrote rings true, in other words, resonates (for me). But to assign that kind energy to an outside entity, is just, I suspect, my inability to take responsibility for my own failings. My own personal demon, or Egregore. A reality construct of my own. Wilson says, "egregores seem to achieve sentience over time, and these may become independent of their creators" but I have yet to come to know that. Honesty, the only good I have ever know has been a meat puppet just like me, and the only evil I have ever known has been the same.

That was why I used the small "s."
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:34 pm

Okay, I'll bite. Here's what's not right: media consumer patterns are a goldfish bowl of a constant now.

I've checked out an easy two dozen shows that came highly recommended in the past few, and it's mostly taught me how capable we are of lowering expectations.

One thing I will give the Jung/Vallee Associative Universe over Conspiracy Theory Causality Chains is the focus on larger patterns, because effects are so unpredictable. The massive tome Thy Will Be Done is a great example of a competently organized body of work, meticulously argued, that still doesn't manage to prove its own case. A lot of work in our genre is like that, though.

Anyways, if we can put together a decent spec script for a horror film based on these general feelings of unease you all have -- I'm guessing a lot of y'all live in cities but yet anyone here I actually know proves me wrong -- I'm down to organize it. And sell it with no attributions or payments to any of you. Let me know.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:26 pm

Whatever it is that isn't right this is a symptom of it. I read this whole article and watched the video. It starts like any other similar scenario. As the video continues on it becomes more intense. By the time it ended I had a twinge of mild nausea at what can happen to a man standing outside his own apartment committing the crime of having a five month old puppy in the yard without a leash.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video- ... dog-leash/
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:31 pm

guruilla » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:07 pm wrote:
divideandconquer » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:57 am wrote:It occurred to me, while watching bits and pieces of the mini-series, "Childhood's End"--possibly predictive programming?-- that our evil overlords are unveiling themselves, that the 21st century will be the era of World Controllers, their relativistic, amoral and "Do What Thy Wilt" Weltanschauung prevailing at last. Only they fail to mention that as we traverse the moral Rubicon, "Do What Thy Wilt" really only applies to those who have the resources and power to do so, the very thing they're taking away from the rest of us at an increasingly rapid pace where our understanding of reality is progressively warped in this Orwellian world in which we live where "freedom is slavery" because their freedom is our slavery; their peace is our war; their strength comes from our ignorance...

I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” --Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means


The cognitive dissonance that is produced as our rulers gradually unmask, not to mention the possible unleashing and/or uploading of their demonic masters...yes, although far from certainty, I believe this is a possibility...ridicule away! creates this climate of unease. We all sense something's not right but cognitive dissonance blinds us to the cause even though it's right in front of our eyes.

The recent unveiling of the 9-foot, one-ton Satanic statue with admiring children--one of which is stabbed in the back-- in Detroit, sort of reinforced my belief, in a symbolic sense, that this is actually happening, not to mention the sympathy-for-the devil propaganda that seems to permeate pop culture including the new FOX show: "Lucifer". I have no doubt this show will be brilliant.

Actually I saw the trailer & it looks like it sucks pretty bad. The graphic novel it is based on is good though.

The Huxley quote is interesting. I had not seen it before. He does seem to be revealing something about the methods of social engineering, taking a profound truth and showing how it can be abused, as usual, by being used to empower the ego, the traumatized social alter.

I also think there is a deeper meaning to "freedom is slavery" than the one you are pointing out, D & C: that the social values being sold to us ~ such as the illusory idea of "freedom of choice" or "the pursuit of happiness" ~ are the "Luciferian" bait of ruling in hell, i.e., of being enslaved to our constructed identities, those shaped by trauma. The part of ourselves that will do anything not to re-experience that powerlessness, unconsciously align with the power of our abusers.

That's my take on it anyway, and the only "something that ain't right" that really counts, to me, is this one. The world has always belonged to satan....


That's my belief now. Not because of religion or my religious upbringing--this puts me at odds with my Christian family and most of the Christians I know because they can't conceive of a world run by Satan even though it's pretty much stated in the Bible..."In the world but not of it" --but because of what I see now that I've opened my eyes. There is no question in my mind that the evil in this world trickles down from the top, that our world is run by extraordinarily evil people.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby guruilla » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:39 pm

backtoiam » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:26 pm wrote: what can happen to a man standing outside his own apartment committing the crime of having a five month old puppy in the yard without a leash.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video- ... dog-leash/

“The police are alleging that my client answered the door and dragged them inside, to justify coming into the house .”

Well sure, isn't that what anyone would do when two angry cops come to your door? :moresarcasm

divideandconquer wrote:That's my belief now. Not because of religion or my religious upbringing--this puts me at odds with my Christian family and most of the Christians I know because they can't conceive of a world run by Satan even though it's pretty much stated in the Bible..."In the world but not of it" --but because of what I see now that I've opened my eyes. There is no question in my mind that the evil in this world trickles down from the top, that our world is run by extraordinarily evil people.

Satan is an internal mechanism, the guardian-accuser figure that gets "installed" in the psyche through abuse/trauma. There's no need to posit evil, IMO. It's delusion combined with primal rage and terror. Think of a severely damaged infant that grows into an adult without developing past that stage, and so gains the power to act on its urges.

It's explored at the mimesis thread, as well as the actual psychological value & meaning of Christianity as a lens to understand human behavior.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby zangtang » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:04 pm

time surely, to get the Economists 'world in 2016' cover............up
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:40 pm

Fruit trees are blooming in December in large parts of the US, so yeah I'd say that something isn't right.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby Grizzly » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:00 am

One of the most nightmarish things about a dark age is the degradation it entails for life’s overall tone, not least in the dehumanization that occurs when a people’s intellectual, emotional, moral, spiritual, political, social, and cultural life in general is reduced to a ghastly level of brutishness and ignorance. As is now plainly evident all around us in the industrialized world of present-day info-technocracy, this coarsening of life can occur even in circumstances of relative material prosperity. It doesn’t always have to be a dark age like the one that gripped Europe in the aftermath of Rome’s fall, when starvation and plague were rampant and most people barely scraped by at a miserable subsistence level. A dark age can unfold and exist right in the middle of outward conditions that may appear enlightened to those who don’t look too closely or deeply.

Sometimes it’s oddly comforting to dwell on the words of people who have seen today’s dark age of dehumanization unfolding. When it feels like the world is full of robots instead of people, or when it begins to feel like we really are living on the planet of the apes (as Robert Anton Wilson liked to put it), it can be a powerfully affirming experience to be reminded that other people have observed the same thing
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More?

http://www.teemingbrain.com/2015/03/21/ ... more-16596
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:32 am

I made this tonight. My photoshop analogy of life on the internet in 2016
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:33 am

1. That Leonard Cohen 1992 album "The Future" might as well be called "2016", as a document.

and

2.
8bitagent » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:32 am wrote:I made this tonight. My photoshop analogy of life on the internet in 2016
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby jakell » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:21 am

8bitagent » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:32 am wrote:I made this tonight. My photoshop analogy of life on the internet in 2016
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Possibly the error is mostly on our side of the screen and can't be represented by the use of logos (the instant recognition of which is a 'win' on the side of what they represent).

Even better represented by the questionable assumption that there such a thing as 'life on the internet'.

(I wanted to insert the well known cartoon of the man and child watching the sunrise on the television, almost iconic itself in its simplicity but, oddly, I couldn't find it)
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Re: Does anyone else feel like...something isn't right,

Postby Jerky » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:04 am

The Onion? Why?
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