Who Was Seth Rich?

[Elvis]

Seth's family seems convinced that leaking DNC documents would be a very bad thing to do, so they can't imagine Seth doing such a thing.

[Rory]

Aren't the family (their PR anyway) being stage managed by Democrat insiders?:

[Cordelia]

^^^
'Insiders' of more than one entity have interests in managing them, imo.


From the Fox link http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story liminalOyster posted on Monday

Wheeler also told us, "I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘Rod, we were told to stand down on this case and I can’t share any information with you.’ Now, that is highly unusual for a murder investigation, especially from a police department. Again, I don’t think it comes from the chief’s office, but I do believe there is a correlation between the mayor's office and the DNC and that is the information that will come out [Tuesday].

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around that statement, if accurate, from Private Investigator Rod Wheeler, (who's a former DC homicide detective; which should exclude him from this investigation imo). ‘Standing down’ on a murder investigation is ‘highly unusual’ from a police department? Huh? Especially in Washington, where the highly corrupt MPDC are pros at just that? Readers are to believe that, as a former member of the department, he wouldn't already know that. After all,we're just naive, easily manipulated spectators

[Elvis]

From the Fox link http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story liminalOyster posted on Monday

Wheeler also told us, "I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘Rod, we were told to stand down on this case...

Some independent confirmation of Wheeler's claim would be significant. As it stands, I'm undecided.

[seemslikeadream]

FBI NOT PROBING DNC STAFFER SETH RICH’S MURDER, DESPITE WIKILEAKS CLAIM
http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-dnc-s ... fbi-610383


just leave the family alone ...

[Rory]

It's obvious he was murdered in a non random killing. The police response, destruction of evidence, and general anecdotal circumstances, all point at this being a deliberate hit effected by actors with reach and influence.

The chief suspects being his former employers, and given the clowinsh and conspiratorial presentation in right wing media, the destruction of narrative appears to be part of the present PR operations.

First it was swept under the rug. When it became too high profile to ignore, then smear and taint became the order of the day. Now you'd have to be a Fox news watching Clinton hater to doubt the random, tragic killing angle.

It is sad for his family and I'm sure they'd rather this all went away quietly so they can process in peace.

[Elvis]

The FBI is not investigating a lot of things.
I really trust Newsweek to explain this case to me:

http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-dnc-s ... fbi-610383

Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was killed in July 2016. Less than two weeks later, WikiLeaks published emails from DNC leaders, leading to conspiracy theories about Rich's involvement.

Those conspiracy theorists are all the same...

The circumstances around Rich’s July 2016 murder are mysterious and have led to conspiracy theories that claim he is responsible for passing DNC emails to WikiLeaks. The conspiracy theorists have suggested that the DNC or Hillary Clinton is responsible for Rich’s death.

Weasel word alert!

Conspiracy theorists alleged that Rich was responsible for the emails dump and that Clinton or the DNC had ordered a hit on him.

"Possible evidence"?

When WikiLeaks said it was offering $20,000 for information leading to a conviction in the case, conspiracy theorists viewed that as possible evidence that Rich was the leaker.

“I hope the $100,000...will finally get to the truth of what happened here and will either debunk the conspiracy theories or validate them,” the lobbyist said in a statement.

“We’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," the family said.

WHAT???

Asked about the claims made in the Fox News report, a spokesperson for the department says by email, “MPD does not entertain conspiracy theories.”

Comments:

More far-Right Wingnut nonsense from the people who brought us The Baby Donald Show. These crackpots will stop at nothing to "prove" their pet conspiracy theories - it's the only thing that gives their lives any meaning.

Please explain to me why the scenario I've outlined above is less likely to be true than the ridiculously complicated, BS conspiracy theory to which you subscribe.

So...because they don't support your pet fever-swamp conspiracy theory, the family must be corrupt?

looney conspiracy theorist

It's now clear to me that questions about the death of Set Rich are nothing more than silly conspiracy theories. Mods, please delete this thread, and let us never speak of this again.

[seemslikeadream]

A spokesman for Seth Rich's family said "There is a special place in hell" for spreading conspiracies about Seth. Hannity is leading with it

On Monday, a local Fox affiliate quoted [b]Rod Wheeler, a private investigator looking into Rich’s death, as saying he knew of evidence connecting Rich to WikiLeaks. The following day, Fox News published an expanded report, claiming that a “federal investigator” had corroborated Wheeler’s comments.


where is Wheeler's evidence?

Meet The Private Detective Who Ignited A Clinton Conspiracy Theory
Seth Rich's bereaved family rejected a Fox News report and told BuzzFeed News through a spokesman that Wheeler had been "paid for by a third party."

Posted on May 16, 2017, at 2:26 p.m.
Joseph Bernstein
Joseph Bernstein
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Fox News
A Washington, DC Fox affiliate report Tuesday night that a deceased DNC staffer had been in contact with Wikileaks prior to his murder set conservative media ablaze.

The story poured fresh fuel on a long-simmering wild conspiracy theory — for which there is no evidence — that the Clintons had the staffer, Seth Rich, murdered for leaking DNC emails to Julian Assange's organization. It was based on an interview with a single source, a private investigator named Rod Wheeler who, the article said, had been hired by the Rich family to investigate the crime.

This morning, though, the Rich family rejected the report and told BuzzFeed News through a spokesman that Wheeler had been "paid for by a third party" and was contractually "barred from speaking to press" without permission from the family.

So who is Rod Wheeler, what do we know about him, and what is his relationship to the Riches?

Wheeler is a former homicide detective for the DC Metropolitan Police Department, who, per his LinkedIn, has been a contributor to Fox News since 2002. And it was through his television appearances that he was ultimately put in contact with the Rich family, through a fellow Fox News contributor named Ed Butowsky.

Butowsky, a prominent wealth manager from Dallas and a contributor to Bretibart News who attended President Trump's inauguration, told BuzzFeed News that he reached out to the Rich family after hearing about the Clinton-Rich conspiracy theory from a friend.

"They said they didn’t feel they were getting any answers," Butowsky said. "The investigation wasn’t going anywhere. I said 'why don’t you hire a private detective?' They said they didn’t have any money."

Butowsky said he offered to pay for a private investigator, and called Wheeler. There, he said, his involvement ended.

"They negotiated something," Butowsky said. "In their contract it said, any money Rod is going to bill, Butowsky is going to pay. But Rod Wheeler has never billed me a penny. Nobody has ever paid anybody anything."

Beyond his involvement in the Rich case, Wheeler is mostly known for saying outrageous things on air. In 2007, in reference to a controversy over racial profiling and policing, Wheeler pulled his eyes back on air to demonstrate what "a Chinese male" looks like. And in the same year, on the Bill O'Reilly show, Wheeler said that a "national underground network" of armed lesbians were raping girls.

In addition to his private detective business, Capital Investigations, Wheeler is also, according to his LinkedIn, the CEO and founder of the Global Food Defense Institute. ("Food defense," per the website of the FDA, focuses on "the risk of criminal or terrorist actions on the food supply.")


But it's Wheeler's experience in the DC police department that seems to have qualified him to investigate the Rich case. In the Fox story, Wheeler said that a source within the department told him that they were ordered to "stand down" on the Rich investigation, and that it was "confirmed" that Rich was in contact with Wikileaks.

Calling Wheeler's allegations "unfounded," a spokesperson for the MPD said that Wheeler had been employed by the department from 1990 to 1995 and that he was "dismissed from the agency."

It's unclear what prompted Wheeler to speak to Fox, but earlier today, the Rich family denied having seeing the investigator's report in a statement:

"We see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press."

BuzzFeed News called a cell phone number appearing to belong to Wheeler and the number of the Global Food Defense Institute, which both had full mailboxes.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstei ... .ocw2OYRjq

No worries Hannity is on it

Sean Hannity: I’m ‘Looking Into’ Seth Rich’s ‘Suspicious’ Death
Read more: http://forward.com/fast-forward/372104/ ... ous-death/

[MacCruiskeen]

^^Methinks they do protest too much.

Jamey Hecht:

THE TERM ‘CONSPIRACY THEORY’

This phrase is among the tireless workhorses of establishment discourse. Without it, disinformation would be much harder than it is. “Conspiracy theory” is a trigger phrase, saturated with intellectual contempt and deeply anti-intellectual resentment. It makes little sense on its own, and while it’s a priceless tool of propaganda, it is worse than useless as an explanatory category.

http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/JameyHecht.htm

Jimmy Dore on the case, yesterday (haven't had time to watch the whole 24 minutes yet, but it comes with a strong recommendation):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKawchvHsEg

[seemslikeadream]

A spokesman for Seth Rich's family said "There is a special place in hell" for spreading conspiracies about Seth. Hannity is leading with it



"There is a special place in hell"


So you all go with it and keep watching and spreading Fox News bulllshit...to hell with what Seth's family wants


FOX NEWS AND DRUDGE...THAT'S THE TICKET

Keep dancing on his grave I am sure Seth's parents are loving it

But it is so worth it to keep this up



Let's bump up the Pizzagate thread while we are at it

Another Pizzagate conspiracist attended a White House press briefing on Tuesday, two weeks after Mike Cernovich made a controversial appearance in the briefing room.

Jack Posobiec

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I will ask about #SethRich at the White House Press Briefing today
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Incoming national security adviser's son spreads fake news about D.C. pizza shop

[MacCruiskeen]

New depths of ridiculousness:

So you all go with it and keep watching and spreading Fox News bulllshit...to hell with what Seth's family wants


FOX NEWS AND DRUDGE...THAT'S THE TICKET

A poster under the Jimmy Dore video explains precisely why you and your cohorts are so anxious to see this whole issue buried:

paul czar 18 hours ago
If Seth Rich was the DNC leaker, then there was no Russian hack. If there was no Russian hack, the whole narrative of Russian collusion is fake. If the collusion story is fake, then the MSM and all of the Dems have been LYING to us for almost a year now.

[seemslikeadream]

THE FAMILY WANTS IT TO STOP


BUT MAC DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HIS FAMILY OR THEIR WISHES

New depths of CRUELTY


A spokesman for Seth Rich's family said "There is a special place in hell" for spreading conspiracies about Seth. Hannity is leading with it



"There is a special place in hell"

FOR ANYONE THAT KEEPS UP THIS BULLSHIT




Millionaire Reportedly Funding the Investigation into Seth Rich’s Murder is Frequent Fox News Guest

[MacCruiskeen]

Oh, grow up.

[seemslikeadream]

The police and Rich's family quickly condemned the report, but it still launched to the top of conservative news outlets like Fox News, among others.


Seth Rich's Family Demands Immediate Retraction Of Debunked Fox 5 Story

"The family is requesting an immediate retraction, or else we will be looking into other ways we can compel Fox 5 to do the right thing. At this point, everything is on the table."

Wheeler is a Fox News contributor, though wasn't identified as such in the Fox 5 piece, and has had to apologize in the past for misstatements he made on-air.

Bauman says he is seeking an immediate retraction and apology from Fox 5, as well as the termination of anyone responsible for the story in editorial and reporting. If that doesn't happen, "I will pursue this by any means necessarily to clear Seth's name and get the family the satisfaction they deserve," says Bauman.


"The folks who are pushing these fake news stories about Seth Rich are simultaneously destroying a family and any hope they have to get the closure they desperately deserve," Bauman says.




"It's like picking a a scab and never allowing it to heal," says Bauman. "Every single time this happens, the family becomes more and more despondent, and suffers the same wound over and over again."

Mac loves wallowing in other peoples misery ..that's a real grown up thing to do...what's the matter Mac...are they just not despondent enough for you yet?

[Cordelia]

Please don't turn this thread into another RI battle field. Please.