Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[Donovan]

You must bring drugs into the picture. The veils between very real ‘other worlds’ are in the mind. Some drugs play with this. If you use a ladder to get you over a fence into another field, the ladder is not the other field.

Dust speck may produce ‘orbs’ on digital film. But these come back without aid of camera. Seems the expectation is a big factor. (And this is a quickly growing phenomena, big talks in Sedona and such). However I would not doubt that if the information, (true or not), that the orbs on camera were dust and this info widely broadcast it would decrease the other events (one seeming to lead to the other.)

Ruler-ship itself begets a certain mindset. If you do not jive with that mindset you are not trusted by the others and soon out of the loop. Look at the DEA stats published. (If you are in the US). Look at your own state. It is the psychedelics that are targeted. Why?

In the very general sense the rulers of secret government are believers in other realities as many have been trained (at it has always been a very upper class thing) in mystical orders. It is not that there is anything wrong with the teaching of the orders. It is the ‘ruler-ship’, the ‘ruler perspective’, that effects the mindset having it use only a portion, (the more ‘controlling’ energies) of the occult. That is an automatic limit.

In the greater picture the ‘dark-side’ serves a function. Eventually it helps (by forming a block) promote a training mechanism that ends in the ultimate paranoia, ‘the world is a conspiracy for my benefit’.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I raised the drug issue because the relationship between shrooms, alien abduction imagery and mind control is interesting.

I dunno if mind control could be referred to as "possession by design", or just manipulation of people using sophisticated psychologocal techniques.

I can see the potential for the possession aspect and it fits my worldview.

But it could just be my personal delusion about the process. There is no need for a possession theory - MK Ultra has enough horror contained in its most mundane interpretations without inventing more to muddy the waters.

But with or without the weirdness, the imagery of classic grey alien abduction is often invoked by psilocibin. the CIA were involved in the search for and synthesis of psilocibin well before Tim Leary had any.

There seems to be a link between alien abduction themes and those involved in "the scene", and intel agencies. Not to mention the intel association with the UFO movement.

And to my mind there is a very strong possibility that many of those that came forward claiming to be abductees via the Hopkins Jacobs hypno regression movement are MC victims subject to trauma based programming involving drugs and sexual abuse and god knows what else.

Especially after rereading Schnabel's Dark White.

[LilyPatToo]

Joe said,

I went back and reread a fair bit of Dark White, by jim Schnabel last night.

Its strange rereading it through a filter that was looking for MC themes.

You could almost re write the whole book in a context of MC and come to very different conclusions than Schnabel or they people he talks about, specifically Hopkins and Jacobs and Mack.

I'd never heard of "Dark White" but found a review of it that included the comment below:

Schnabel points to similarities between abduction experiences and spirit possession in some pre-technological societies and also to the connection with another curious psychological phenomenon now widespread in the USA, multiple-personality disorder.

That certainly caught MY attention!

Sorta goes to show how close people who research the abduction phenomenon carefully enough can come to trauma-based mind control programs, without knowing anything about them....EXCEPT that Schnabel almost certainly DID know about them: he admits he worked for the CIA

I was following his internet trail via a "Google scraper" and turned up this fascinating article by Peter Durant about meeting Schnabel -- http://www.sayer.abel.co.uk/side.htm -- Ingo Swann himself trained the two of them to remote view, it turns out. And it becomes clear that Durant has more than an idle suspicion that Schnabel isn't a former CIA data gatherer, but a current one.

Some of his comments:

"Assuming that this was in fact an article prepared for general readership , as distinguished from a report for a small coterie of intelligence community specialists"

and: "He is meticulous and he is tireless, and some have wondered out loud about who paid for all those immense travel and telephone charges."

and: He refers to one of Schnabel's pieces as sounding as if it "originated as a memo for HQ"

Thank you for inadvertently setting me onto some very interesting reading this evening. Think we may have found ourselves an honest-to-gosh disinfo agent trolling the same paranormal pond where we spend so much time?

LilyPat

[Joe Hillshoist]

I read dark White in early 95. Not long before or after that mushroom trip I described where the alien abduction image, movie like, shattered when i giggled at it.

Didn't think much of it one way or the other, I enjoyed the read and wondered about the psychological aspects of what abductees had experienced, and the "para normal" or interdimensional aspects of it. He didn't really change my thinking one way or another.

Haven't read his other stuff, but have come across a few crop circles researchers who don't like him at all. That was where i first heard of him being a spook.

John Shirley writes him off as a spy, and disinfo merchant I think. I know he doesn't think much of him.

I'd never heard of "Dark White" but found a review of it that included the comment below:

Schnabel points to similarities between abduction experiences and spirit possession in some pre-technological societies and also to the connection with another curious psychological phenomenon now widespread in the USA, multiple-personality disorder.


That certainly caught MY attention!

I read that line in it last night and thought something similar, even wondered if I should quote it. Great minds eh.

Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could kick him, but then I have never met him, so its not a comlpetely fair judgement. But I have come across a few people online who don't like him much.

Seems like that Peter Durant guy feels the same way.

Thank you for inadvertently setting me onto some very interesting reading this evening. Think we may have found ourselves an honest-to-gosh disinfo agent trolling the same paranormal pond where we spend so much time?

No worries, tho it might be a ... well ... interesting read.

I really doubt he could have been unaware of MK Ultra when he wrote that book, so it gives me more reason to not trust him.

A real disinfo agent. Yep thats probably about the sum of it.

[philipacentaur]

Joe, thanks for posting that John Shirley stuff. I really enjoy his views and his writing, and read his blog regularly.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Bob Durant. Too weird.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Other sources told me that Schnabel had worked for the CIA while in England. I didn't raise that, it seeming to be not the sort of question a gentleman would ask of another gentleman, and I only raise it here because other parties confronted him with this and in response he freely acknowledged his employment with that "firm", though he says it was long ago and far away. I would imagine there was nothing sinister about this, just the sort of thing many temporarily expatriate Americans are asked by their country to do from time to time, which is to report on activities of other Americans that might warrant a closer look. Which of us, if asked, wouldn't do the same?

Uh.......me?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I'm rereading Aldous Huxley's 1958 book, 'Revisiting Brave New World' in which he observes that what he thought was futuristic had now come to pass-

From the back cover-

"Today's dictators, whether in the realm of taste, morals, or politics, possess dangerous new weapons-
>new chemicals and drugs
>motivational research
>subliminal propaganda
>sleep-teaching
>new techniques of brain-washing

In a section of the book called 'Hypnopaedia' Huxley cites an article called 'Sleep and Hypnosis' by Theodore X. Barber from the October, 1956 Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis'-

A person in deep sleep is unsuggestible. But when subjects in light sleep are given suggestions, they will respond to them, Mr. Barber found, in the same way that they respond to suggestions in the hypnotic trance.

Many of the earlier investigators of hypnotism made similar experiments. In his classical History, Practice and Theory of Hypnotism, first published in 1903, Milne Bramwell records that "many authorities claim to have changed natural sleep into hypnotic sleep. According to Wetterstrand, it is often very easy to put oneself en rapport with sleeping persons, especially children...Wetterstrand thinks this method of inducing hypnosis is of much practical value and has claimed to have often used it successfully."

[Joe Hillshoist]

Bob Durant.

Ok Ok you pedantic wombat.


Who ever thought getting names right mattered anyway.

Its not like he'd sue you for it.

Uh.......me?

True hearted Wombat, thats why we love you.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I just listened to Aldous Huxley's "The Ultimate Revolution" speech last night, and since getting the mp3 was such a pain, I guess I should start hosting it.

It's a very chilling speech.

There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.

http://www.skilluminati.com/docs/Aldous ... lution.mp3

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I was going to post the following quote yesterday and then thought better of it....several times. But since Mr Huxley has been introduced, I will take it as a sign that his opinion should be included.....

"Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful." - Aldous Huxley

(Hows that for emphasis....- )

Of course many of those, like myself, who relate experiences with 'others', do so without needing to be hypnotized. And among the cases that have utilized it, many include multiple witness testimony. Betty and Barney, The Allagash Four, Betty and Dorothy, on and on. Then there are the historical references that predate the possibility of "cultural influence" as indicated briefly by Mr. Schnabel. More on that later...

I am reminded Hugh, of the tactics employed by Project Bluebook, which was widely recognized with being charged by it's superiors to downplay or explain away UFO sightings at all cost. They became so ridiculous in this effort that they eventually became redundant (and may have been the plan all along). This is one of the reasons Hynek switched sides so to speak. Your proffering images of soldiers in gas mask is really nothing short of insulting and in a way, demonstrates that you risk becoming, on this issue, something that you claim to despise in others. I really have no desire to engage in yet another defense of the reality of what I and thousands of other have experienced, and what many in this thread are attempting to co-opt for there own purposes.

I have seen on many other Forums, supposed MK-Ultra survivors co-opt or bring their 'thing' into every thread. OSR has repeatedly done this (and been banned for it) as has her supporters, many of whom claim to also be a "victim" of multiple personality disorders. Hard to tell who is who half the time, but it all cases it seems to add up to a simple need to be paid attention to, the same exact thing that many "academics" claim to be the motivation for those claiming abduction by the 'other'. Of course when asked for substantiation, the only thing they can point to is MILABs, Dulce, Reptoids, NWO conspiracies and again, down the rabbit hole we go....with tin foil hats for everyone.

It makes me wonder....is this by design?

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^Yeah. I don't see it as a sinister conspiracy, it's just the nature of human drama. There's only so many dramatic situations you can have -- thirtysix by one count -- and we go through endless iterations of them.

For the most part, people are interested in material because they have an emotional investment in it, because a topic resonates with their unique(ish) array of memories, neuroses, "personality" traits, etc.

Just a working hypothesis, though.

[LilyPatToo]

Cosmic Cowbell said,

I have seen on many other Forums, supposed MK-Ultra survivors co-opt or bring their 'thing' into every thread. OSR has repeatedly done this (and been banned for it) as has her supporters, many of whom claim to also be a "victim" of multiple personality disorders. Hard to tell who is who half the time, but it all cases it seems to add up to a simple need to be paid attention to, the same exact thing that many "academics" claim to be the motivation for those claiming abduction by the 'other'. Of course when asked for substantiation, the only thing they can point to is MILABs, Dulce, Reptoids, NWO conspiracies and again, down the rabbit hole we go....with tin foil hats for everyone.

It makes me wonder....is this by design?

I could take this personally or I could just sigh and hope that one day the covert human rights abuses perpetrated by the intel community are thoroughly exposed, so that their prey aren't referred to in such a cruelly dismissive manner. Today, I choose the latter option.

Peace, CC. I try to remember to post my honest disclaimer in any post where I mention the exploitation of the abduction phenomenon by intel agencies and I believe I just did so in a recent page of this thread. Since I believed myself to be an alien abductee for many years, I do understand your defensiveness. But until the abductee community becomes aware of the spooks exploiting some of them, the abuses will go on. So some of us who've awakened from our layered screen memories (also without hypnosis) will continue to post about that.

LilyPat

In case you missed it:

Standard disclaimer: I do NOT believe that all alien abductions are mind control related and I do NOT believe that all UFOs are sightings of black budget technology. But I DO believe that many of both in the US are human instigated.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I was going to post the following quote yesterday and then thought better of it....several times. But since Mr Huxley has been introduced, I will take it as a sign that his opinion should be included.....

"Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful." - Aldous Huxley

(Hows that for emphasis....- )

Thanks for the Huxley quote. But he warned about what men were up to.

And I've made the case that whether ET's exist or not, 'they' are irrelevent to the problems we have on the ground with Nazis and spooks.

'They' are not gifting us with tech to solve our problems.
And if 'they'are, the PTB would cap it to prevent loss of control and predictability heavily-invested in. End of story.

Back to the Earthlings....Teach them to stop killing each other. Happy story.

[LilyPatToo]

Two of my favorites of Jeff's blogs are the pair that deal with alien abductions and the intel community, and since this thread WAS entitled "Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project" the last time I checked, I think that even if they've been linked to before, it's high time we look at them again:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/05/red-white-and-gray-part-one_24.html and http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/05/red-white-and-gray-part-two_30.html

In Part 2, Jeff said the following:

While I'm persuaded UFOs represent a genuine phenomenon of occult provenance and are of critical interest to certain institutions of Earthly power, I also think their facsimile has been employed as a screen to pursue other work in the deep black under cover of absurdity and "alien" misdirection. I think it's significant that numerous abductees since the mid-sixties have reported being subjected to mind control devices similar to Skinner boxes and John Lilly's isolation tanks onboard "alien craft." Lilly claimed that, as his isolation tank research became known, he was approached by military personnel who sought to use it "to coerce a change in belief systems" (according to Dr Helmut Lammers' MILABS: Mind Control and Alien Abduction).

And that's what I've come to think, too, based upon my own personal experiences, some of which included military personnel. I'm about to begin reading Richard Dolan's "UFOs and the National Security State", which I've heard is a very thorough and accurate review of the evidence that the US government/military has meddled extensively in the matters of UFOs and of alien abductions. Here is a link to the book's introduction -- http://keyholepublishing.com/Intro.htm

LilyPat

PS There were some superb researchers within the abductee community who were writing on the links between apparently alien abductions and intelligence agents--Onesmartrat was most definitely NOT the first person to talk about this. The first two names to come to mind are Karla Turner -- http://bb.1asphost.com/taken/ (PDF) -- and Katharina Wilson --http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Part_IV/pomintro.html