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Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:26 pm

Oslo finds strength in flower power

July 27, 2011

Instead of responding with hate and calls for revenge, the vast majority of Norwegians are recovering from attacks on their capital and their youth last week with flowers, hugs, moments of silence and a series of memorial services. An enormous gathering on Monday prompted another spontaneous display of support and solidarity: Norwegians used the roses they’d brought to the gathering to decorate the capital afterwards.

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Streets, fences, plazas, buildings, brick walls – all have been adorned with flowers carried by those attending the huge gathering in the plaza outside City Hall Monday evening. At that event, folks were urged through a spontaneous grassroots movement started on the social media site Facebook to bring a single rose. At various points during the memorial, they were called on to raise their roses, giving the impression of an enormous rose garden spread over the sprawling plaza. (The flowers above have been placed outside the Norwegian Parliament.)

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Afterwards, the crowd now estimated to have amounted to around 200,000, or nearly half the city’s total population, took their roses and instead of taking them home or discarding them, they started tucking them into fences, on some artwork outside the Nobel Peace Center (photo above), in the ancient walls leading up to the nearby Akershus Fortress, in and around local fountains and squares.

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By the next day, the city was simply all dressed up, a colorful contrast to the destruction caused by a lone bomber and gunman’s acts three days earlier. What started on the day right after the blast, with flowers placed outside the Oslo Cathedral, has turned into a city-wide phenomenon that lets Norwegians feel like they’re doing something nice at a time when many feel utterly helpless and full of sorrow. (Above, flowers outside the Parliament, where a special memorial session was due to be held on Wednesday despite the summer recess.)

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Many of the flower arrangements contain photos of vicitms, messages of hope and expressions of sympathy, like this one left by a group from Chile. All of the foreign embassies in Oslo have been flying their flags at half-mast since the attacks occurred.

The “flower power” movement also is attributed to the words of an 18-year-old survivor of the massacre on the island of Utøya. She mused that “when one man can show so much evil, think how much kjærlighet (love and caring) we can show together.” Her words are quickly going down in history in Norway because they’re largely credited with helping set the tone for the reaction to the attacks. They’ve been spread via social media, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg quoted them in one of his many addresses to the Norwegian people during the past few days, and here (photo at right) they’ve been taped up on a wall in Oslo.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby hanshan » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:30 pm

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I predict that the Facebook issue and the helicopter response issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of those for whom these things are smoking guns. And perhaps that is only right.

But the lines are already being drawn between the true and catholic hard-core conspiracists versus the Illuminati tools, cop-apologists and defenders of the official theory. This time it took less than a week. Meanwhile the extreme right wing laughs as the re-write proceeds apace among the fringe til it dissipates history into meaninglessness.



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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:37 pm

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Alan Lake addresses a Sweden Democrat conference in September 2009

Alan Lake is not an unlikely contender. Lake is a 45 -year-old businessman from Highgate, North London, who claims to have made his money through computers, and runs a series of intranet services for far-right groups around the world. He also has strong links with the anti-immigration parties in Sweden and Norway. He spoke at a seminar organised by Kent Ekeroth of the Sweden Democrats in Malmö on 6 September 2009. In April 2010, Lake admitted to a Norwegian TV channel that he had helped to fund the EDL. Following the Utoya Massacre in Norway on 24 July 2011, Lake commented: “Apparently, in a long screed Anders Behring Breivik posted on line, he did this attack to protest against the way that Islam is taking over large parts of Europe. By attacking the leftist politicians that are enabling this, the chickens have actually come home to roost – altho I’m sure it won’t be depicted that way”.

https://ktwop.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/ ... uk-mentor/



Here's Alan Lake on Norwegian TV earlier this year (terrible quality, and from Liveleak, sorry) calling for the execution of "seditious" types who want to "overthrow the state". He means Muslims, and "leftists" who help them via immigration and cultural Marxism, of course. Maybe he works for the State himself, with or without his knowledge. Wouldn't surprise me. I don't know if he's a Templar LARPer like Breivik and Paul Ryan, but the hate fairly shines out of him, and doesn't look like it's doing much for his health or peace of mind either. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=957_1311520002

EDIT: It's worth watching. The EDL's pet Rabbi, the Californian career shit-stirrer Nachum Shifren, shows up midway through as well.

Thanks for the other links and articles in this thread vk, it's been interesting stuff.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:43 pm

^^

you're welcome Ahab. and thanks (saying that sounds so wrong having viewed the clip) for the link. i have to admit though, up until three or so days ago i've been kind of sleeping on this, thinking of the far right fringe as being more in the faintly ridiculous BNP/EDL mode, or associated with that forum in Florida whose name shall go unmentioned. but these past few days since reading and following up on the manifesto and viewing concerted forum responses in places like the grauniad, i've kind of lost heart a bit. anyway, what does LARP stand for if you mind my asking?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:49 pm

Live Action Role Play. People who dress up as hobbits and ogres and run around hitting each other with foam swords. My brother was at a campsite in Canada once when an elf ran out of the woods, chased by a pile of angry Orcs. It can be pretty disconcerting if you don't know what they're up to.

It's a an Elite Nerd pursuit, for only the most dedicated and asocial of nerds, and thus fits Breivik to a T.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:51 pm

^^ i'm way behind the curve. thanks.



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edit: anyone know who this is?

more of the same:



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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:11 pm

Mac, that kind of language isn't on here, towards another member or even a lowly moderator. Please don't use it again.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:21 pm

Norway's Terrorism in Context

by Daniel Pipes
National Review Online
July 27, 2011

Scandinavia may look idyllic from a distance, what with royal families and prime ministers almost without security, but it has endured its fair share of violence, from the assassinations of Swedish prime minister Olof Palme and foreign minister Anna Lindh to two school massacres in one year in Finland, one killing eight, the other ten. Anders Behring Breivik's rampage, in other words, was hardly unprecedented.

In the past, one had the cold comfort of knowing that deranged acts such as his were carried out by individuals under the sway of extremist ideologies. Not so Behring Breivik. This terrorist lists among his favorite authors George Orwell, Thomas Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, John Locke, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, Ayn Rand, and William James. The disconnect between Behring Breivik's mainstream political conservatism and his psychological derangement presents a shocking new dilemma and challenge.

That said, there is no reason to think that Behring Breivik has a single follower, that any other mainstream political conservative will emulate him and massacre socialists. This has never happened before and will probably never happen again. This is a gruesome, freakish exception.

And yet, this exception does tell conservatives that we have to be aware of a danger we had not thought of before. We may oppose socialists, but not vilify them.

Given how meticulously Behring Breivik planned not just his bombing attack and gun rampage but also his posting of a manifesto and a video, and given his plans to turn his trial into political theater, his terrorism appears ultimately intended primarily to bring attention to his political views. Indeed, during his initial court appearance on July 25, the Associated Press reports, he presented the violence "as 'marketing' for his manifesto," 2083 — A European Declaration of Independence.

In this way, Behring Breivik resembles the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, who engaged in violence as a means to market his 1995 manifesto, Industrial Society and Its Future. Indeed, the tie between these two is very close: Hans Rustad documents how extensively Behring Breivik plagiarized from Kaczynski, changing only some key words.

Add to these two Timothy McVeigh (the 1995 Oklahoma City bomber) and Baruch Goldstein (the 1994 Hebron mass killer) and one has the four outstanding exceptions to the dominant rule of Islamist mass murder. One website, TheReligionOfPeace.com, counts 17,500 terrorist incidents on behalf of Islam in the past ten years; extrapolating, that comes to some 25,000 since 1994. We are dealing with two very different orders of magnitude. As David P. Goldman notes, "there is a world of difference between the organized use of horror by terrorist movements and the depraved actions of individuals." Yes, we must worry about non-Islamist violence too, but the Islamist variety prevails and, being a vital extremist movement, will continue to do so.

Ravi Shankar, executive editor of the New Indian Express, writes that "What happened in Oslo Friday may be the early beginning of a new civil war — Europeans fighting each other, both Muslim and Christian." He could well be right. As I argued in a 2007 analysis, "Europe's Stark Options," the continent's future is likely to consist of either Islamization or protracted civil conflict. I sketched the possibility of "indigenous Europeans — who do still constitute 95 percent of the continent's population — waking up one day and asserting themselves. 'Basta!' they will say, and reclaim their historic order. This is not so remote; a chafing among Europeans, less among elites than the masses, loudly protests changes already underway."

Although he attacked socialists, not Muslims, Behring Breivik clearly fits this chafing. More broadly, he fits into a pattern of growing Christian-Muslim violence visible from Nigeria to Iraq to the Philippines.

Not surprisingly, Behring Breivik belongs to the "Islam is evil" school of thought, as he frequently signaled in his manifesto:

. . . a tolerant Islam is a contradiction, and the "creation" of a tolerant past for Islam to appease the position of liberal Muslims is a lie.

. . . to take the violence out of Islam would require it to jettison two things: the Quran as the word of Allah and Muhammad as Allah's prophet. In other words, to pacify Islam would require its transformation into something that it is not.

Islam today is what it has been fourteen centuries: violent, intolerant, and expansionary. It is folly to think that we, in the course of a few years or decades, are going to be able to change the basic world outlook of a foreign civilisation. Islam's violent nature must be accepted as given.

Many moderate cultural conservatives have suggested that banning Sharia will solve all our problems and force the Muslims to integrate. Unfortunately, Islam is a lot more resilient than most people can comprehend. . . . Taking Sharia (and all political aspects) out of Islam is simply not possible.

This position differs fundamentally from my own, which holds that "radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution." While sharing common opponents, these two outlooks differ on the nature of Islam, its potential for change, and the possibility of allying with Muslims.

Beyond massacring innocent Norwegians, Behring Breivik damaged conservatism, the counterjihad, and (in particular) those authors he cited in his writings, including myself. A close reading of his manifesto suggests this may have been purposeful. Noting that his former membership in Norway's conservative Progress Party would do it harm, he evinces satisfaction that this will forward his revolutionary goals:

I anticipate that the Norwegian media will persecute and undermine the Progress Party for my earlier involvement in the organisation. This is not a negative thing as an increasing amount of Norwegians will then have their "illusions of democratic change" crushed (if the Progress Party is annihilated by the multiculturalist media) and rather resorts to armed resistance.


In a similar spirit, he writes: "America as a polity is scr*wed, and thank the gods for that."

By extension, Behring Breivik may well have wanted to harm those analysts of Islam cited in the manifesto. He calls me a "moderate," which obviously is not meant as a compliment, and dismisses even the hardest-line critics of Islam as lacking in courage:

The reason why authors on the Eurabia related issues/Islamisation of Europe — Fjordman, Spencer, [Bat] Ye'or, Bostom etc. aren't actively discussing deportation is because the method is considered too extreme (and thus would damage their reputational shields). . . . If these authors are to [sic] scared to propagate a conservative revolution and armed resistance then other authors will have to.


Behring Breivik hopes to undermine anyone he perceives as obstructing his dreamed-for revolution. Temporarily, at least, he has succeeded.

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Submitted by Michael (Egypt), Jul 27, 2011 at 20:39

Demography is the mother of all politics.

Mr Pipes; although I completely condemn this terrible and dastardly act, for a fourth day now I cannot put away his manifesto. It is fabulously written, no one can deny; methodic, scientific, and logical to a great deal—not completely, though, to be sure. His motives are legitimate in my opinion: someone who is trying to save his country from islamization and a dark future; someone who is willing—at any price—to check his people's ongoing transformation to another "Copts", "Maronites", or even "Serbs"—you remember those latters, don't you? The ones who were being abducted and slayed like animals to have their organs sold in Turkey, by the Albanians; the ones who were fighting for their own safety and ended up being bombed by their fellow Christians (NATO), and their picture to this day distorted. I cannot describe the Oslo mass murder but as it is: abhorrent. Still, one needs to trace clearly to the causes of such desperation.

There is no Good Islam and Bad Islam, Mr Pipes. For some reason or another I feel that you already know that. There is Islam, and there are Muslims. Pick the factor you desire, and crack down. Either to abolish Islam altogether by waging a multi-faceted war (including propaganda and sponsorship of researches and studies that reveals its ugly face) against it; or to eradicate Muslims themselves, thus diminishing their number and subsequently their mass-effect in world politics—which is, needless to say, an unhuman thing to merely think of.

In my country we now blame our forefathers for not fighting enough against Islam. I don't want future Westerners to do the same thing.

My advice is: don't fight each other; fight Islam. They want multiculturism? Fetch some Chinese, Hindus, Latinos, Christian Africans and block their mouths. Have a lot of children, and you better not get any nearer to the poison known as contraception (I'm thinking now of the Catholics!). Muslims are invading your countries? Multiply and invade their countries. Preach the gospels. Spread Human Rights (they are incompatible with Islam, altogether). Leftists control the media? New media. Medias! Build a new Hollywood: film conservative movies and have funny shows about Leftist lunatics. A new source of energy; make the use of oil obsolete and push Arabia back to its indigenous misery and poverty; they will comply after that be achieved; they will not have the means to spread Islam and terror by their money………….. Win! for God's sake!

Or Else, ……….. like us!


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby kenoma » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:30 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:Image
Alan Lake addresses a Sweden Democrat conference in September 2009

Alan Lake is not an unlikely contender. Lake is a 45 -year-old businessman from Highgate, North London, who claims to have made his money through computers, and runs a series of intranet services for far-right groups around the world. He also has strong links with the anti-immigration parties in Sweden and Norway. He spoke at a seminar organised by Kent Ekeroth of the Sweden Democrats in Malmö on 6 September 2009. In April 2010, Lake admitted to a Norwegian TV channel that he had helped to fund the EDL. Following the Utoya Massacre in Norway on 24 July 2011, Lake commented: “Apparently, in a long screed Anders Behring Breivik posted on line, he did this attack to protest against the way that Islam is taking over large parts of Europe. By attacking the leftist politicians that are enabling this, the chickens have actually come home to roost – altho I’m sure it won’t be depicted that way”.

https://ktwop.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/ ... uk-mentor/



Here's Alan Lake on Norwegian TV earlier this year (terrible quality, and from Liveleak, sorry) calling for the execution of "seditious" types who want to "overthrow the state". He means Muslims, and "leftists" who help them via immigration and cultural Marxism, of course. Maybe he works for the State himself, with or without his knowledge. Wouldn't surprise me. I don't know if he's a Templar LARPer like Breivik and Paul Ryan, but the hate fairly shines out of him, and doesn't look like it's doing much for his health or peace of mind either. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=957_1311520002

Thanks for the other links and articles in this thread vk, it's been interesting stuff.


Here he is at a Swedish conference describing the tactics of the 'counterjihad':



He reminds me of Andy Coulson.
As for the hate shining out of him, there's no doubt he's a true believer, but there's still enough Macchiavellian cynicism in the way he speaks about the recruitment of the lumpenproletariat for me to strongly suspect he's an operative:

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"We are catching a baby at the start of gestation," said Lake, who is considering funding the EDL. "We have a problem with numbers. We have an army of bloggers [in the far-right] but that's not going to get things done.
"Football fans are a potential source of support. They are a hoi polloi that gets off their backsides and travels to a city and they are available before and after matches

You've got to have pseudonyms, you've got to have, you know, five email addresses, one for your friends, one for your counterjihad, one for your really extreme counterjihad comments, and all the rest of it.

It is quite crazy I always think. I'm sure lots of you have looked at Jihad Watch. You look at some of these blogs out there on the web, and some of the discussions really shouldn't be had in public, certainly discussions about strategy

So if you can engage with the physical groups, people who are quite happy to go on the street, the thing about the football fans is they go see a match, and then after the match, they're already there on the street, so if you can then bring them off for a demo that works really well. You get the numbers. And they're not scared as well. Everybody else is scared of being beaten up and attacked. They're not scared of that

We have got people out there who can win these arguments, people like Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Brigitte Gabriel.
How many experts do you want? There's Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Bill Warner, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel, Geert Wilders is an expert, fantastic, he can argue any of these, Pamela Geller, Jay Smith.

He's a millionaire apparently, though I don't know how you make that kind of money off the kind of websites he runs.

As for last week's events, I don't really sense the same overwhelming stench I got from 9/11, 7/7 and the Mumbai attacks at an operational level. It is at least far more plausible than it was in those cases that the perpetrator acted alone on the day, and that the police response was genuinely inept.

What has made me feel deeply uneasy since about Sunday morning is that this feels like the launch of a new political product. That was when I heard Sky News reporter Tim Marshall confidently predict that '2083' would become a touchstone text of the European far-right. It struck me as odd, because it's not how the msm usually resonds to a violent 'lone wolf' murderer such as Kaczynski or the London Nail Bomber. Ever since, the mainstream have been giving Breivik's text far more credence than one would reasonably expect - the 'oxygen of publicity', as Thatcher used to say. And I suspect the comments of Melanie Phillips, Glenn Beck and Mario Borghezio regarding Breivik are merely particularly indiscreet samples of what will be widely shared at many dinner parties in elite Europe and America this weekend.

As for what that newly-launched product is and what it should be called, I suspect a bit of investigating into the background of Alan Lake and the mileu he shared with Breivik would help us here.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:31 pm

Jeff wrote:Mac, that kind of language isn't on here, towards another member or even a lowly moderator. Please don't use it again.


I'm not in the habit of using that language, Jeff, least of all on this board. Only when I'm very angry about bring sniped at or patronised or misrepresented or persistently needled, especially when the topic is the mass murder (Utöya, Mavi Marmara) or slow murder ("Jani") of defenceless people, especially children.

Of course I was not serious when I suggested myself as a moderator. Moderators should be above the fray. But Peregrine is hardly active as a moderator and I have no desire to pester you with complaints (and didn't). So I was forced to contend with the sole moderator, who is also a very active participant with a strong stake in this argument, and who persistently patronised and misrepresented me, and then needled me quite nastily and unnecessarily. (And personally I'd be glad if that kind of behaviour and that kind of language weren't on here, towards another member or even towards a lowly non-moderator.) And that's when, and why, I finally used the f-word.

Just for the record.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:45 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
stickdog99 wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Sorry, I appear to have over-estimated your intelligence and under-estimated your attachment to John Wayne movies.

Because only John Wayne would dare try to stop kids from getting shot by the dozen.
:lol2:

I can imagine you posting a tirade after the madman turned Utoya into a radioactive pit, screaming

"HOW COULD THE POLICE HAVE INTERVENED?
WHY COULD THEY NOT HAVE WAITED?"

You and Lupercal are turning into the Nico Haupt and Gerald Holmgren of RI

So I'm a raving lunatic because I don't have your hyperactive imagination and I, like most Norwegians (and hopefully most people everywhere but here), think cops should do their jobs and protect innocent lives even during dangerous emergencies?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:04 pm

from Gates of Vienna Watch, Friday 22, 2011.

Terrorism in Oslo = Disgusting Instant GOV Hate Fest

This morning saw a terrorist attack in Oslo, Norway, for which a scum jihadist group took quick responsibility. Gates of Vienna has, of course, provided instant coverage, as this kind of event is their raison d'etre. A same-day shooting spree at a labor party youth gathering appears to be the work of a person "described as tall and very nordic looking."

The Baron has kept his cool on this post - there will undoubtedly be lots of time and posts in the future tying this event to Mahoundianist perfidy. But some of the Baron's correspondents, and the commenters on the blog have not. Herewith, a sampling:

(the odious) Fjordman - “It’s an anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian crowd of young Socialists.” (implication - they deserved to die)
(the even more odious) Fjordman - “Please keep in mind that the left-wing government of Jens Stoltenberg that was just bombed is the most dhimmi appeasing of all Western governments, to the extent that this is humanly possible. They even wanted to fund Hamas openly a while ago. The most suicidal and cowardly government in a country with no colonial history was just attacked. How do you explain that as a response to Western ‘aggression’?” (translation - they REALLY deserved to die)

Trencherbone - "Europe has been infested with venomous parasitic vermin." (sounds like Joseph Goebbels talking about European Jewry)

Robert Marchenoir - "The TV news report here shows the interview of a Norwegian witness [probably Ali Esbati, vk.]. I did not know Norwegians looked like Arabs." (eliciting this response from)

(the hideously odious) Fjordman - "In Oslo they do. Arabs, Kurds, Pakistanis, Somalis, you name it. Anything and everything is fine as long as they rape the natives and destroy the country, which they do." (Fjordman indulging in dark stranger rape fantasies again)

PatrickHenry - "My Norwegian "cousins," you had better heed our advice this time...it's time to begin MASS DEPORTATIONS of your "cultural enrichers," unless this is the "enrichment" you have sought! Send them all back to the cesspools from which they came. Act! Don't be a nation of Hamlets. It's high time to initiate "cultural purification" and restore Norway to it's historical roots. Send them home, NOW, before it's too late. There are no moderates in their midst, only murderers or their enablers, be they liberal multiculti's or your "cultural invaders." They just declared war upon your peaceful country, now you must ACT! If you elect one more liberal, you're all INSANE!" (the real Patrick Henry, not to mention William Shakespeare, are rolling around in their graves)

SnowWalker - "I attended a Naturalization Oath Ceremony for a friend from Sweden last week here in the US. 90 % of the new "citizens" were from Somalia and other muslim places. ALL the women present wore burkas. Most of those people did not speak the Pledge of Allegiance or have their hands over their hearts during the pledge. That was a massive, open refusal of the US. We dig our own graves at an amazing speed bringing these parasites in. (translation: deport them all from the U.S. too!)

None of them are armed!!! No Norwegian civilian can put an end to this nightmare because they are not allowed to be armed. As usual in socialist countries the only people armed are the criminals and the terrorists. The right to keep and bear arms is a basic, natural right of every law abiding citizen. The people of Norway should drag their entire government into court for treason and murder." (2nd amendment insurrection fantasies)

(the notorious) Laine - "Along this line, is everyone aware that Stieg Larsson, he of posthumous novelistic success was a communist sympathizer who along with his common-law wife saw right wingers as the root of all evil while aiding the leftist sell out of all of Scandinavia?" (typical Laine non-sequitur - surprisingly, not about Mexicans this time)

Gates of Vienna - always predictable!

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:09 pm

My God, this thread has been thoroughly trashed.

For the record, I have never, ever browbeaten anyone of this thread to arrive at my own still evolving meta-analysis of this horror.

All of my regretful sarcasm and venom stem from the fact that I could not (and still cannot) comprehend how or why others were will going so far in defending the cops' indefensible delays and obvious lies -- merely to promote their own meta-analyses.

I could hardly care less whether any of you thinks this was a grand conspiracy or the work of an isolated wingnut. I'm pissed off about the cops' hugely delayed response to this horror, and I feel my righteous anger about their filicidal delay is more than justified.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:11 pm

kenoma wrote:...

He reminds me of Andy Coulson.
As for the hate shining out of him, there's no doubt he's a true believer, but there's still enough Macchiavellian cynicism in the way he speaks about the recruitment of the lumpenproletariat for me to strongly suspect he's an operative:

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there is that. which reminds me of one "Baron Bodissey" (name of a Jack Vance character) the person behind GoVienna.

Baron Bodissey

* Industry: Consulting
* Location: Virginia : United States

About Me

Waging a Counter-Jihad since 9-11-2001.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/13518154807805363319


he's all over the place, forums, blogs, magazines, and at one of them, 4freedoms, i found this:

Statement from Alan Lake regarding the Norwegian Gunman - Anders Breivik
Posted by Alan Lake on July 27, 2011 at 12:40am in UK Room

* I do not know this man, I have never met him, and I am not his mentor
* I did not even get involved with any political issues until the end of 2007
* He is not a member of 4Freedoms, as far as I can see, and does not appear to be a member of the Norwegian Room either
* I have no interest in the Knights Templar movement, and in fact, strongly resisted any attempts to get me involved in the promotion of such a movement, as I see it as a waste of time
* I categorically condemn his actions, which have also killed friends of a friend of mine - one in Oslo and two on Utoya island.

In hundreds of pages of online comment over 3 years, I only made one injudicious statement which I withdrew within 1 day. That statement has been kept alive by leftist websites eager to cause damage to society. They should be held responsible for perpetuating that statement, and any damage it may cause.

There are numerous totally false and fabricated stories circulating about me in the media at the moment. Those who are doing this should reflect on the effect this latent dishonesty has on the community discourse.

By using a succession of lies and dirty tricks to discredit any messenger they disagree with, they also succeed in shutting up those people who are weak in discourse, who then lose faith in the democratic process and the institutions of government.

It is not unreasonable to think that, it is precisely this suppression which causes people like Anders Breivik to seek other outlets for their anger. For this reason, I hold those sections of the media, which use dirty tricks and dishonesty, partly responsible for this tragedy.

I am not the type of person to have that communication problem. I am fully engaged in, and committed to, the process of discourse in secular democracy. But those media that are now circulating totally false and scurrilous speculation about this sad event, should reflect on the implications of their behaviour, and the further harm they cause.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:19 pm

sorry, this is the Bodissey profile i meant to add:

Baron Bodissey

* Male
* Arrington, VA
* United States

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that jumped out, read alongside the blogger profile.

Baron Bodissey

* Industry: Consulting
* Location: Virginia : United States

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Waging a Counter-Jihad since 9-11-2001.

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