Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[JackRiddler]

Above I read an argument not against third-party voting, but against the Electoral College and a winner-take-all system in a country of 320 million.

[Luther Blissett]

Here's the funny thing about narcissism: I'm going to be totally fine under a Clinton presidency. It's not me I'm concerned about.

I'm right there with you on the SJW thing dada.

Polls indicate that Iceland's Pirate Party may form their next government. It could happen here folks. And it should. Despite the lies that get bandied about, third party voters fight like hell for change between elections. Way more than bourgeois "democrats" who only vote in this electoral college scam where a Bush can lose a general by half a million votes and still be installed, that being the extent of their civic engagement. Maybe donate to a neoliberal charity that mostly funds some executive's stipend but still hits the reward center of the brain.

[dada]

On voting and non-voting as strategies in an ongoing multi-faceted political struggle.

We can discuss the merits of these strategies endlessly. As they pertain to this election, and in general. And we do. The discussion itself is another strategy.

What concerns me is the quality of the discussion. I appreciate original thoughts, or old thoughts looked at in new ways. I like to read people who think for themselves, who don't do their pecking in order. I'm not judging anyone, it's only a matter of personal taste.

I'm getting to the point where I don't have much to say about pop politics. I'm thinking that in the future (assuming there is a future) I won't disclose whether or not I'm voting. Not that my endorsement matters, I'm not Angela Davis, or George Bush.

But I will try a new strategy, next round. First I'll say 'this isn't democracy, it's a fucking joke, a failed religion.' Then I'll use the political discussion to talk about a few things that I find important. Finally, I'll 'shut the door and pray in private.' Or be a heretic, and not pray. Either way, you won't know.

I didn't say it was a particularly revolutionary strategy.

[Luther Blissett]

Did Kaine just vote to fast-track the TPP? Why can't I find this?

[8bitagent]

Don't hate me. But I made this in photoshop

[identity]

Don't hate me. But I made this in photoshop

Looks good! (but does Haiti figure in there??)

[Sounder]

Some bad information, some good.

https://youtu.be/nKt2zaOrxD8

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The proxy plays the controller, or something else?

You-tube does not seem to want to work atm, click link if you are interested.

[lyrimal]

Fun. Suppose it was only a matter of time. I think I'm comfortable writing Trump's chances off now. Which will apparently leave us with Hillary.

Time for NSA on steroids
Time for new cold war
Time for interventionism in overdrive
Time for millions more dead and displaced
Time to move the doomsday clock to 11:59
Time for transnationals to cement their thrones
Time for American style Deathcare to displace socialized medicine worldwide
Time for the environment to quietly die
Time to completely sellout the kids' future
Time for litanies of unverifiable but 'well supported' lies
Time for the death of transparency
Time for the finishing blow on American democracy
Time to end the illusion of American justice
Time to get this show on the road with competent expediancy

No time for truth
No time for love
No time for peace

[Nordic]

Fun. Suppose it was only a matter of time. I think I'm comfortable writing Trump's chances off now. Which will apparently leave us with Hillary.

Time for NSA on steroids
Time for new cold war
Time for interventionism in overdrive
Time for millions more dead and displaced
Time to move the doomsday clock to 11:59
Time for transnationals to cement their thrones
Time for American style Deathcare to displace socialized medicine worldwide
Time for the environment to quietly die
Time to completely sellout the kids' future
Time for litanies of unverifiable but 'well supported' lies
Time for the death of transparency
Time for the finishing blow on American democracy
Time to end the illusion of American justice
Time to get this show on the road with competent expediancy

No time for truth
No time for love
No time for peace

Yeah even after the "pussy tape" Clinton is still the worse candidate. That's how bad she is.

They clearly should both be disqualified. We should start over. Simply call off the Nomvember 8 show and reset.

[seemslikeadream]

this says it all..... Nordic wants this guy as president...says something special about you Nordic as it does all the other males on this board who agree with you and Trump

Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

and now Trump admits he is guilty of sexual assault ...way to go...Nordic still rather have Trump ...he stands with Trump

too bad you can't stand up for women

.......

Kissing and groping women without their consent is sexual assault.

What matters is that Trump is talking as if he can do whatever he wants with women, whenever he wants, regardless of their consent. This is rape culture, as clear as day.

you are a misogynist if you blame a woman for her husbands' or boyfriends' words or actions ....period

[Cordelia]

Wow Nordic. Another reminder of how normalized sexual assault already is.

When Trump loses, I fear more backlash against women.

When Clinton wins, I fear more passive/aggressive backlash against women.

We're all fucked.

[seemslikeadream]

so odd that all the excuses I hear from the Trump supporters are posted here

[Nordic]

You guys are totally misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying Jeffrey Dahmer is a worse choice than Brock Turner.

Understand yet?

I don't want either of them. But one is a serial killer and the other is a groper/assaulter (Trump not Turner. Turner is a rapist)

Would you rather have your head sawed off and stored in a fridge, or someone grabbing your ass?

Both are bad. One is worse.

[seemslikeadream]

Time to Press Donald on Whether He Raped His Wife?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tim ... g-his-wife

Here are all the times Donald Trump has been accused of rape or attempted rape

Donald Trump’s reputation as a womanizer is well-known. So is his history as a misogynist. But it’s only with Friday’s release of an extremely lewd video, in which the Republican nominee for President can be heard bragging how “when you’re a star” you can do whatever the hell you want to women’s bodies—including “grab them by the pussy”—that the rape accusations leveled against him are finally getting national attention.

In a statement released shortly after the Washington Post published the damning video, Trump dismissed the comments as “locker room banter.” But in light of these charges, the country is taking a closer look at what may be a history of not only sexually violent words but sexually violent actions.

According to legal documents, Trump has been accused of raping a 13-year-old child, raping his ex-wife, and attempting to rape a former business associate. He vehemently denies all of these accusations—and it should be noted anyone can file a civil complaint in court, and a complaint is by no means proof of allegations. That being said, the accusations are chilling.

The first and most famous accusation comes from Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump. During a deposition in the ’90s, Ivana described a harrowing scene in which Trump held her arms back, pulled at her hair, and raped her in a fit of rage. She herself used the word “rape.” The details of the incident were made public in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump, written by the journalist Harry Hurt III.

Trump denies this incident took place, and before the book hit shelves his lawyers required that it include a statement at the front written by Ivana, in which she walks back her use of the word “rape.”

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” the statement said. “I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

In her statement she added instead that she felt “violated.”

The second accusation of sexual assault comes from a 1997 lawsuit. Jill Harth says she and her romantic partner were working with Trump on a business deal, when The Donald started making unwelcome sexual advances. In a lawsuit filed against Trump, she says he leered at her inappropriately, groped her on several occasions without her consent, and even “attempted rape.”

In her lawsuit, Harth describes a scene in which Trump took her into one of his children’s bedrooms at his Florida estate Mar-a-Lago, threw her against the wall, began touching her all over, and lifted up her dress.

In an interview with The Guardian, Harth says she had to physically prevent him from advancing and shouted out: “What are you doing? Stop it.” Adding, “It was a shocking thing to have him do this because he knew I was with George [her partner], he knew they were in the next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”

Trump denies any of this ever happened, calling the allegations “meritless.” While Harth withdrew her lawsuit shortly after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her romantic partner over a business matter, she stands by her claims. (Harth and Trump had a cordial relationship until recently, when the allegations resurfaced and he denied them. At that point, according to The Guardian, Harth decided to speak out.) She also says Trump’s camp has contacted her on several occasions in an attempt to make her change her story and deny it ever happened. “I said I’m not doing that,” she told The Guardian.

The third case against Trump comes via a recent federal lawsuit filed in June 2016 in the State of New York by “Jane Doe.” In the suit, Doe alleges that Trump raped her back in 1994, when she was just 13 years old. According to legal docs, Doe says she attended parties with Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein—a registered sex offender known in the media as the “billionaire pedophile.” Doe, who was trying to become a model, says it was during these parties that Trump initiated sexual contact with her on several occasions and on one occasion allegedly raped her.

According to the suit, Trump tied her to a bed, exposed himself to her and then raped her in a “savage sexual attack.” Doe says she screamed for him to stop at which point he struck her in the face while screaming “that he would do whatever he wanted.” In a statement filed with the lawsuit, Doe says Trump threatened to ruin her life and her family’s life if she ever told anyone about the incident:

Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.

The lawsuit also includes a witness statement from a “Tiffany Doe,” who says that, in the ’90s, she was in charge of recruiting adolescent women to entertain guests at Epstein’s parties—and she personally saw the incident occur.

I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.

In her statement, Tiffany Doe also says she witnessed Trump force other minors to perform oral sex on him and witnessed his “physical abuse” on them “when they finished the act.” On Friday, hours before the lewd video of Trump was leaked, a federal judge in New York ordered a December hearing for the case.

According to documents, Trump has denied the allegations, stating “These allegations are not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated. There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period.”
http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-t ... l-assault/

why can't I tell the difference between what you post and a trump supporter's statements?

[Sounder]

so odd that all the excuses I hear from the Trump supporters are posted here.

But not at all odd that Huma Abidin issues are ignored, and that Trump idiocy sucks the air out of the Hillary is dangerous thread.

Which is fine with me, carry on, but solutions are never found in these kind of politics.