Huge explosion in Oslo

[barracuda]

Daily Mail:

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Certainly no laughing matter, but this is a good two clips from the Daily Show (re: FOX's coverage of this).

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/ ... -liberals/

[justdrew]

OMFG that looks like one of those Family Circus cartoons.

[Burnt Hill]

And he is in 2 places at the same time @ 17:08.

[Plutonia]

vk, you've got the guy's manifesto, right?

Just saw this tweet:

Wikileaks
Is Oslo terrorist trying to send WikiLeaks a video of the massacre?
See page 885 of his manifesto.
4 hours ago via web

Do you mind checking p 885? TPB is down ATM. Thanks.

[8bitagent]

Question: Do sites like Jihadica, Intelwire, Jihadwatch, etc EVER read History Commons?

I mean am I the only "truther/conspiracist" who wonders how ANY of those "intel" sites cant see how jihadism is a total deep state operation when you pour over Kevin Fenton and Paul Thompson's exhaustive work on that NON conspiracy site?

this is some of the nearly 80 kids killed

While it's tempting to focus upon the pathos of the children victims, I'd like to point out that it seems a great number of adults were also killed in this incident, so I'm not sure that characterisation is quite correct. For example, in the list provided here by the Norwegian police, 26 of the 42 names are 18 years of age or over, and 13 of those 26 are 25 years or older. I realise this doesn't make the thing any less shockingly awful, but to say "80 children killed" is not entirely accurate.

Aw ok, I forgot they had lowered the count. Seems some under the age of 14. Well either way, its a killing of 68 progressive minded bright young minds on that island, and 8 in the bombing.

But yeah, seeing faces of the victims puts it into chilling perspective...you can see in their eyes hope, paths...people. So many guys and girls who will never have kids. Kids that will never be born, stolen fun moments and jokes not to be had...and wonders to never be shared.

Live Action Role Play. People who dress up as hobbits and ogres and run around hitting each other with foam swords. My brother was at a campsite in Canada once when an elf ran out of the woods, chased by a pile of angry Orcs. It can be pretty disconcerting if you don't know what they're up to.

It's a an Elite Nerd pursuit, for only the most dedicated and asocial of nerds, and thus fits Breivik to a T.

Oslo finds strength in flower power

The “flower power” movement also is attributed to the words of an 18-year-old survivor of the massacre on the island of Utøya. She mused that “when one man can show so much evil, think how much kjærlighet (love and caring) we can show together.” Her words are quickly going down in history in Norway because they’re largely credited with helping set the tone for the reaction to the attacks. They’ve been spread via social media, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg quoted them in one of his many addresses to the Norwegian people during the past few days, and here (photo at right) they’ve been taped up on a wall in Oslo.
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IF this attack was an internal or external black ops with the goal of dizzying Norwegians into a panic, fear, etc...EPIC FAIL. Even had it been a "Muslim".
The neo fascism and anti immigrant platform just will not take hold with the majority of these or other Northern European nations. Im surprised "they" havent staged Islamic terror attacks
in Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. I assumed the comic strip flap was a deep state provocateur act to whip up a pretext for jihadist attacks

Meanwhile, it's been a great boon for the left to expose the right wing and all it's incarnations...but perhaps this further alienation of American right wingers is the name of the game.
Everyday I think about how nice it'd be if the right wing fundies stateside woke up and had a dose of reality.

[Burnt Hill]

but to methodically execute some dozens of helpless and unarmed children of both sexes requires a specialized skill that I haven't seen evidence of him having acquired.

-lupercal.

Isnt it pretty much point and shoot?
I wouldnt call the capacity to do that a skill.

On edit- I see justdrew addressed this much more competently.

[Joe Hillshoist]

4GB AEE PD80 Mini DV DVR Camera
This extremely small and lightweight field camera is used to document your operation. 4
GB is equivalent to 2 hour of constant filming. Ive personally tested it and it works great.
Some governments may seize the movie (after you are neutralized) and publish it while
others may bury it or even destroy it to protect the multiculturalist ideology. The reason
is that they may regard any documentation from the Justiciar Knight as a mockery of
their system. On the other hand, they may actually release the film to the press censored
or even uncensored. You may want to bring 2 memory chips and attempt to mail one of
them, if possible. You place the memory chip in a pre-made envelope (with stamps and
the address of a pre-selected news desk that is likely to publish it uncensored). The best
option would of course be to upload the digital movie via high speed internet (your
Iphone) to a distribution site at the end of your mission. Unfortunately though, uploading
1-2 GB would take at least 3-7 hours. Also, there is normally a 200MB-ish cap on email
attatchments so sending the movie to 10-20 newsdesks is not yet an option due to
technological limitations. This will off course change at some point in the future.
Sold on Ebay (Chinese producer)
Cost is 87 USD

There it is... p 885.

[8bitagent]

Drew I'm not certain he didn't, but based on the very familiar m.o. he seems to be an MK patsie whose specific training is to perform as the perp. Sirhan and McVeigh would be good examples, also Oswald. As to the actual killing though, he may or may not have had weapons training, but to methodically execute some dozens of helpless and unarmed children of both sexes requires a specialized skill that I haven't seen evidence of him having acquired. But it's just my opinion at this moment.

I don't doubt for a nano second that Anders Breivik was the main shooter, and took great sickening pride in it. That smile in the van shows he did a "job well done" in his book.

But like Mohamed Atta, Mcveigh, Chapman, Hinckley, etc he could have been a manchurian programmed killer(I would add Sirhan, but I dont believe Sirhan had the ego part of the brain necessary to be a cold blooded killer, tho Sirhan is a clear case of documented programming mind control)

I didn't see the van picture. It's possible there was a second shooter either in the van or arriving some other way. But wouldnt he have to look sort of like Breivik and wearing something similar as to dissuade
people who say they saw an entirely other person?

Live Action Role Play. People who dress up as hobbits and ogres and run around hitting each other with foam swords. My brother was at a campsite in Canada once when an elf ran out of the woods, chased by a pile of angry Orcs. It can be pretty disconcerting if you don't know what they're up to.

It's a an Elite Nerd pursuit, for only the most dedicated and asocial of nerds, and thus fits Breivik to a T.

Oslo finds strength in flower power

The “flower power” movement also is attributed to the words of an 18-year-old survivor of the massacre on the island of Utøya. She mused that “when one man can show so much evil, think how much kjærlighet (love and caring) we can show together.” Her words are quickly going down in history in Norway because they’re largely credited with helping set the tone for the reaction to the attacks. They’ve been spread via social media, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg quoted them in one of his many addresses to the Norwegian people during the past few days, and here (photo at right) they’ve been taped up on a wall in Oslo.
*

IF this attack was an internal or external black ops with the goal of dizzying Norwegians into a panic, fear, etc...EPIC FAIL. Even had it been a "Muslim".
The neo fascism and anti immigrant platform just will not take hold with the majority of these or other Northern European nations. Im surprised "they" havent staged Islamic terror attacks
in Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. I assumed the comic strip flap was a deep state provocateur act to whip up a pretext for jihadist attacks

Meanwhile, it's been a great boon for the left to expose the right wing and all it's incarnations...but perhaps this further alienation of American right wingers is the name of the game.
Everyday I think about how nice it'd be if the right wing fundies stateside woke up and had a dose of reality.

[Stephen Morgan]

so anyone else catch the meaning of Palingenesis? (see my post on the last page)

There's a heck of a case of wannabe "nominative determinism"

I noticed that when she first became famous, with her ruby red high heels.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

He's a millionaire apparently, though I don't know how you make that kind of money off the kind of websites he runs.

You probably don't have to make money off running the websites themselves, if you're paid just for doing so. By running those sites he has (or at least appears to have) top-down access to an international database of far- and extreme-right psychos, a tiny percentage of whom could be groomed or ignited at will, or might prove recruitable/patsie-able/otherwise useful to an "operation" like Breivik's, or to the subsequent covering of it. If it all traced back to such a database or nexus nobody would look much further either. "Bunch of psychos on a server owned by Alan Lake. Quelle surprise."

A database like that would have monetary value, though, on the international market, just like a database of recruitable mercenaries or spooks or terrorists would. There could be people paying him to run it, just to keep tabs on potential threats to the State, and other people paying for access as required, looking for plausibly deniable wierdoes who can be used.

Knowing the extreme (and, I suppose, justifiable, given the Hal Turner and Don Black debacles) paranoia of far-right grass-roots movements about the possibility of being infiltrated from above by state actors, I'm surprised that Lake is still in business at all. A more (less?) obvious plant would've been potted by now. The remaining Combat 18 elements of the BNP wouldn't take to somebody like him, I reckon. A wise man bearing gifts? In this day and age? As stupid as they are, they're not that stupid.

So he seems to have adopted the EDL as his own vanity project - a movement that can be moulded in his own image, and to suit whoever pays most. Booting an old-fashioned beir-keller fantasist like Paul Ryan out would've been top priority. Now they're labelling each other as "Lionheart", as if the name itself were tainted. Which is funny.

As for last week's events, I don't really sense the same overwhelming stench I got from 9/11, 7/7 and the Mumbai attacks at an operational level. It is at least far more plausible than it was in those cases that the perpetrator acted alone on the day, and that the police response was genuinely inept.

What has made me feel deeply uneasy since about Sunday morning is that this feels like the launch of a new political product. That was when I heard Sky News reporter Tim Marshall confidently predict that '2083' would become a touchstone text of the European far-right. It struck me as odd, because it's not how the msm usually resonds to a violent 'lone wolf' murderer such as Kaczynski or the London Nail Bomber. Ever since, the mainstream have been giving Breivik's text far more credence than one would reasonably expect - the 'oxygen of publicity', as Thatcher used to say. And I suspect the comments of Melanie Phillips, Glenn Beck and Mario Borghezio regarding Breivik are merely particularly indiscreet samples of what will be widely shared at many dinner parties in elite Europe and America this weekend.

As for what that newly-launched product is and what it should be called, I suspect a bit of investigating into the background of Alan Lake and the mileu he shared with Breivik would help us here.

Thanks for that, Kenoma, and the video, and the rest of your post as well. I mostly agree.

[Plutonia]

Thanks Joe.

Nothing about anonymity or encryption; nothing to show a particular interest in wikileaks as a prospective distributer; ie #lame and #fail

The best option would of course be to upload the digital movie via high speed internet (your Iphone) to a distribution site at the end of your mission.

There it is... p 885.

[lupercal]

I don't doubt for a nano second that Anders Breivik was the main shooter, and took great sickening pride in it. That smile in the van shows he did a "job well done" in his book.

Okay I'm guessing you mean this van:



If so I suppose that shows how differently photos can be interpreted, because the impression I get is that he's so heavily medicated he hasn't the foggiest idea what's going on. Look at his arms. He's completely relaxed and decked out in a preppy red sweater set no less. He doesn't look capable of drowning a cat let alone blowing away 76 adults and children in 90 minutes, with or without an accomplice.

But apparently there was at least one other shooter, and coordination with bombers, and also it seems coordination with Norway's security apparatus, and preparations for methodically covering the island in those 90 minutes without stopping to puke or faint or OD, all of which strongly suggests to me that the assassinations were carried out by highly skilled, or maybe trained is a better word, special forces, whether pretty boy was an armchair racist or not. But I also have to wonder just how much of his backstory was shop-fabricated.

[Peachtree Pam]

Here is an excellent summary of Norwegian attitudes towards immigrants and the challenges Norway faces, challenges which Breivik tried to exacerbate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world ... gewanted=2

In Norway, Consensus Cuts 2 Ways
By STEVEN ERLANGER and MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ

OSLO — Nearly all Norwegians of a certain age know where they were when Oddvar Bra suddenly broke his ski pole in the final sprint of a championship ski race in 1982, and Norway had to settle for a tie with the Soviet Union. But the common expression, “Where were you when Bra broke his pole?” has suddenly given way to a darker question — where were you when Anders Behring Breivik was killing Norway’s children?

July 22, the day Mr. Breivik killed at least 76 people, shook a peaceful nation to the core. But for many Norwegians it is also an indelible mark of a country that has evolved away from the monoethnic, egalitarian culture that knew tragedy as a setback in Nordic competition.

Today, more than 11 percent of the population of some 4.9 million were born someplace else — Pakistan, Sweden, Poland, Somalia, Eritrea, Iraq. And the cultural shock of diversity, especially incorporating the growing number of nonwhite Muslims, has already meant the rise of a moderate anti-immigrant party, the Progress Party, to become the second-largest in Norway.

The young people Mr. Breivik shot at a summer camp on the island of Utoya were all Norwegians, but some were the children of immigrants, who have now been memorialized in the country’s greatest modern disaster.

“When you are confronted with multicultural immigration, something happens,” said Grete Brochmann, a sociologist at the University of Oslo. “That’s the core of the matter right now, and it’s a great challenge to the Norwegian model.”

Norway’s leaders, from the royal family on down, have all praised the country’s solidarity, democracy, equality and tolerance, and all vow that these values will not change. Virtuous, peaceful, generous, consensual — this is the Norwegian self-image, aided by the oil wealth that props up one of the most comprehensive social welfare systems in the world.

Einar Forde, a former Labor Party politician, once said: “We are all social democrats.” And a former prime minister, Gro Harlem Brundtland, who was a target of Mr. Breivik’s terror, once remarked: “It is typically Norwegian to be good.”

For all its virtues, the emphasis on consensus here can also promote small-mindedness, smugness and political correctness. That is especially true when newcomers have different notions on certain values, including gender equality and secularism, even in an officially Christian country, that Norwegians hold dear.

“We’re a lucky society for many reasons, and not just oil,” said Ms. Brochmann, citing Norway’s distance from both the euro and the American financial crisis and its strong and transparent democracy.

“But many of these aspects of this consensus society have another side,” she said. “This is also a society of conformism,” she said, citing the “Janteloven,” or Jante law, based on small-town Scandinavian norms that govern group behavior, promoting collectivism and discouraging individual initiative and ambition in a world where no one is anonymous.

Norway is also a strongly patriotic country, independent from Sweden only since 1905, and occupied by the Nazis from 1940 to 1945. So the sense of pride and nationalism here is fierce, and the model built since World War II is strongly defended.

In an interview, Dr. Brundtland noted that Norway had a strongly consensual, cross-party program for almost a decade after World War II before returning to more normal politics. Even then, she said, Norway has “a tradition of trying to formulate and coordinate policies that are broader than what the political system itself would have. We try to have a base that’s broader than the majority.”

Still, she insisted, “it’s not true to say that we have a consensus democracy where we don’t have strong debates and political parties.”

Those debates have also become fiercer on the issue of immigration and integration, Dr. Brundtland conceded, especially with the growing popularity of the Progress Party, a now mainstream group that focuses on an anti-immigration stance. The Progress Party, she said with some distaste, has been pushing acceptable boundaries. “To ask the questions without having any productive answers is not always helpful,” Dr. Brundtland said.

The leader of the Progress Party, Siv Jensen, earned some notoriety in 2009 for using the phrase “stealth Islamization” in a speech, the same year the party became the second-largest in Parliament. Christian Tybring-Gjedde, the head of the party’s Oslo branch, prompted howls of criticism in May when he suggested Muslims were by nature more aggressive than Norwegians.

Even so, such statements are no more provocative than those by right-leaning politicians in other Western European countries, and the party’s stance has resonated with many. Morten Hoglund, a Progress legislator, said the party in recent years has been purging radicals and emphasizing better health care, though he conceded that Mr. Breivik might hurt the party in September’s local elections.

“We have tried as best we can to make sure that we behave in a proper way,” he said. “We are not in the same political family you see with some of the political parties in Europe today.”

But others believe that Progress has helped create the atmosphere in which Mr. Breivik flourished, even if he quit the party because of what he perceived as its moderation.

“There is one political party in this country that has worked with the line of reasoning that the terrorist used to legitimize his atrocities,” said Magnus Marsdal, an author and political analyst. “Of course the Progress Party is not accountable for this guy’s actions, but the sentiments that are spread through political propaganda are not innocent.”

The party plays on the immigrant challenge to religious and cultural uniformity. Some Muslim immigrants, not well-educated, restrict the activities of women, try to arrange marriages, may support genital mutilation and have a degree of homophobia, all of which are cited as adherence to religious or cultural values.

But these values present a direct challenge to the general consensus culture. It is in this area that Islamophobia has reached Norway, together with a more universal resentment of immigrant criminals and “welfare scroungers” of every religion and color.

Thomas Hylland Eriksen, a cultural anthropologist at the University of Oslo, has written extensively on the challenge of immigration to the overriding culture, which features a quiet nationalism. “But there are some unexamined ugly features of Norwegian nationalism that have to do with ethnic nationalism, a feeling of specialness, an element of racism,” Mr. Eriksen said. “Non-ethnic Norwegians are visible and still seen as out of place.”

Minorities think that “if they learn Norwegian, send their kids to school and stop at traffic lights they are 100 percent Norwegian,” he said. But it’s not really true, he said. He cited a prominent Norwegian, Dilek Ayhan, born here of Turkish parents, perfectly fluent, but who is often asked: “Where are you really from?”

There is “a prison of consensus,” Mr. Eriksen said, but it should not be exaggerated and is slowly cracking under the pressure of change. “There is a fairly open debate, but we should be more open and frank about our values,” he said.

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A peaceful frame of mind begets peace in society at large. A peaceful society begets peaceful frames of mind.

It's not as though these Norwegians are utter idiots about anything, thankyouverymuch. It's as though they are an untapped reserve of if you can get Norway, a "western" country to go the fucking fascist, meta-kristallnacht route, you got something going for you.

I absolutely applaud how what I am able to glean so far, as far as Norway is handling this when it comes to right wing characters in our midsts.

I've long said, that all the right really wants to do, in the long run, is kill, because of their self centered misery.

Not saying it should actually happen, but they should let that motherfucker out of jail tomorrow, free as a bird. Let's see what the world thinks of fascism when that fucker is found by the mobs of the bereaved. As it is now, he is being protected by the state he sought to disrupt via the most unthinkable form of authoritarianism there is.

Wingers will never ever get how fucking stupid they are. QED.