Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[seemslikeadream]

Not much of a poster, but I don't think this has been introduced yet...

http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-with-the-cia/

Enter "Uncle Ruslan"
The biggest red flag, the one pertinent to murder in Boston, was Oligarch Kukibayev's use of money laundered through a network of offshore companies to attempt to hide his purchase of Prince Andrew's crib, which emerged during a legal battle between another billionaire Kazakh oligarch, Mukhtar Ablyazov, and BTA Bank, from which Kazakhstan claims Ablyazov embezzled a very cool $6 billion dollars.
And this is where “Uncle Ruslan” Tsarni comes in.
The purchase of the Prince's estate was put together, according to prosecutors in Italy and Switzerland, by a group of oil executives who comprise “a network of personal and business relationships” allegedly used for “international corruption," reported The London Telegraph.
Tsarni, called “a US lawyer who has had dealings in Kazakh business affairs,” by the Sunday Times, clearly appears to be a member of that network.
The Sunday Times reported, “A statement by Ruslan Zaindi Tsarni was given in the High Court in December, claiming that Kulibayev bought Sunninghill and properties in Mayfair with $96 million derived from a complex series of deals intended to disguise money laundering.”
“Tsarni alleged that the money came from the takeover of a western company, which had been used as a front to obtain oil contracts from the Kazakh state.”
A Big Big Sky's the Limit
“western company” used to launder the money which the Sunday Times referred to is Big Sky Energy Corporation, where Ruslan Tsarni was a top executive.
Big Sky, which used to be known as China Energy Ventures Corp, is a now-bankrupt US oil company run by S.A. (Al) Sehsuvaroglu, a long-time executive of Halliburton, which had oil leases in Kakakhstan’s Caspian Basin.
Tsarni was Big Sky’s Corporate Secretary and Vice President for Business Development. He joined Big Sky in 2005.
A press release announcing his appointment stated:
“Mr. Ruslan Tsarni, a U.S. citizen, has over 10 years of professional experience in oil and gas legislation and corporate law. Previously, Mr. Tsarni served as Corporate Counsel of Nelson Resources Limited Group as well as Managing Director of several of its operating subsidiaries.
“From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Tsarni worked as Head of Legal Affairs of Golden Eagle Partners LLC.




Long time lurker who holds to the adage, if you don't have anything new to add to a discussion...

Thanks to all who make this board what it is, I appreciate what the regular members put forward on a daily basis.

Thanks for that shaftoe and welcome

and that is why I started this thread because trying to find something in this one is near impossible

[FourthBase]

get a grip fourth welcome to our America


looks like Nazis to me...as a matter of fact Hitler learned quite a bit from the U. S. government

btw you know you are living on stolen land don't you?

You...



I want this question resolved by admins.
Tired of feeling justified rage, getting warned.
Meanwhile, calling my family, friends, and myself Nazis...that's cool? No.

Yeah, well aware about the land thing.
I've been to Wampanoag celebrations. Have you?
Did you know they lived in relative harmony with Pilgrims for decades?
And then the Puritans basically ruined everything?

to clarify I WAS NOT CALLING THE CITIZENS NAZIS FOOL....IT WAS THE GUYS WITH THE GUNS!!

"...mindless post-capture applause"

"...those cheering images will make a great clip in some Leni Riefenstahl-style propaganda film"

You posted that. Not your words, but you posted them.

Okay, so, we are mindless Nazi-lovers...but not Nazis ourselves?

And you folks don't understand my rage?
Did you fail to read my posts in the last several pages?
The thoughtful, cogent, reasoned, truthful posts?
Or do you not read those ones?

[FourthBase]

and that is why I started this thread because trying to find something in this one is near impossible

Right, because god forbid a dude from Boston takes offense at being called [insert slurs]...
God forbid someone objects to irresponsible unfactual doom hysteria.

[Canadian_watcher]

What we are seeing in Boston is a preview of that police state — a kind of “coming attractions” look at it. The mindless post-capture applause for the army of police who implemented the “lock-down” of the city after the marathon bombing was part and parcel of that police state.

Someday, those cheering images will make a great clip in some Leni Riefenstahl-style propaganda film glorifying whoever is the current maximum leader of the American dictatorship.

This, I will not tolerate.

SLAD, is this your personal opinion?
Or do you stick to posting links in order to hide behind them?

I know these people. I am myself one who applauded, in my home, at the television.
I am the furthest fucking thing from mindless. I am the furthest fucking thing from a Nazi German.

I know you might prefer if I weren't here. Then you could doom-i-cize and scorn Boston with glee.
But I am here. I am HERE. I am these people you scorn. That makes shit like that personal.

Okay I've been watching this bullshit for long enough without jumping in because it isn't my fight - but come ON. This is why I don't come to RI very often anymore. In EVERY THREAD there's some blowhard asshat running around demanding people censor themselves.
In this thread it's all over the place and IMO this kind of belligerent rhetoric is nauseating.

You don't OWN the opinion or facts on Boston, 4B. You don't have special rights to dictate the appropriate responses/questions/links/observations - do you think you do? I have no idea why you're being permitted to rage and insult and harrass in this thread but let me tell you buddy, that's what you're fucking doing. You sound like you've gone completely off your rocker. Listen to yourself - !!!!

ffffffffffffffffffffffff

What is your hometown? Who are your friends, your family? Who are you?
What if I said that you and everyone you know is a mindless Nazi? Cool? You happy?

Censor yourselves? No, how about: Be thoughtful.
Is that a request for self-censorship, if you can't be thoughtful?
Then, yeah, censor yourselves. Thanks.

so what you seem to be saying is "get out of my way, this is PERSONAL FOR ME, and since it is PERSONAL for ME I get to set all the parameters of behaviour for debate and discussion!" That very sentiment, to me, is what pretty much got "us" (the whole fucking world) into the War on Terror in the first place.

[FourthBase]

What we are seeing in Boston is a preview of that police state — a kind of “coming attractions” look at it. The mindless post-capture applause for the army of police who implemented the “lock-down” of the city after the marathon bombing was part and parcel of that police state.

Someday, those cheering images will make a great clip in some Leni Riefenstahl-style propaganda film glorifying whoever is the current maximum leader of the American dictatorship.

This, I will not tolerate.

SLAD, is this your personal opinion?
Or do you stick to posting links in order to hide behind them?

I know these people. I am myself one who applauded, in my home, at the television.
I am the furthest fucking thing from mindless. I am the furthest fucking thing from a Nazi German.

I know you might prefer if I weren't here. Then you could doom-i-cize and scorn Boston with glee.
But I am here. I am HERE. I am these people you scorn. That makes shit like that personal.

Okay I've been watching this bullshit for long enough without jumping in because it isn't my fight - but come ON. This is why I don't come to RI very often anymore. In EVERY THREAD there's some blowhard asshat running around demanding people censor themselves.
In this thread it's all over the place and IMO this kind of belligerent rhetoric is nauseating.

You don't OWN the opinion or facts on Boston, 4B. You don't have special rights to dictate the appropriate responses/questions/links/observations - do you think you do? I have no idea why you're being permitted to rage and insult and harrass in this thread but let me tell you buddy, that's what you're fucking doing. You sound like you've gone completely off your rocker. Listen to yourself - !!!!

ffffffffffffffffffffffff

What is your hometown? Who are your friends, your family? Who are you?
What if I said that you and everyone you know is a mindless Nazi? Cool? You happy?

Censor yourselves? No, how about: Be thoughtful.
Is that a request for self-censorship, if you can't be thoughtful?
Then, yeah, censor yourselves. Thanks.

so what you seem to be saying is "get out of my way, this is PERSONAL FOR ME, and since it is PERSONAL for ME I get to set all the parameters of behaviour for debate and discussion!" That very sentiment, to me, is what pretty much got "us" (the whole fucking world) into the War on Terror in the first place.

If the parameters are "No calling an entire city of people including several of our regular RI members mindless Nazi-lovers", then sure, please set those parameters for yourself. Or, mods, please set them. It's not just me, dude. Realize that, say, IanEye is also being called a mindless Nazi-lover. Oh, you don't want to call him that, because he's cool, and I'm admittedly an asshole? Tough. That's what you're doing. Yes, this is personal. This is a real city. These are real people. I am real. I exist. IanEye exists. My family and friends are real. IanEye's are, too. We are not actors. We are not what you think we are, or what we are being called. I have tried to explain what we are, why we clapped. Have you bothered to read it?

[FourthBase]

I'm still not applauding. I'm not a fan of cops beating, shooting or kicking in the doors of innocent people for no reason. I just don't see the point of objecting to it when it's not happening.

But that...didn't happen? Right?
So...yes, maybe applaud? Yeah?

Or is it what some of them might have done in the past? Or, tomorrow?
If so, I can see that. I can see how it might then look like empty kayfabe, even.

http://www.edge.org/q2011/q11_16.html#weinstein

But if the incessant bully at school stops that one kid blasting other kids with a shotgun and bombs...
Sorry, I'm going to applaud that bully. For one night, at least. Loudly. Tearfully. Proudly.
Yeah, the school might then transform, become pro-bully. It's possible.
But hey, maybe the bully is the one who's transformed. It's possible.

What some people might not quite be understanding, might be misperceiving:
What was being cheered was not, "Thank you for invading our neighborhoods with tanks."
It was not even merely, "Thank you for catching that maniac, by any means necessary, whew."
Realize that it was: "Thank you for catching him, responsibly, and not harming anyone else."

If you think that's a low bar to set, then why would you be surprised?
And, do you not remember what the LAPD did while hunting Dorner?
Of course you remember. So: LAPD or BPD...which wins?

And now, all these cops, do you think they don't get the message, as they're applauded?
Some of them might feel like the clapping just re-affirms a license to power-trip, sure.
But most will know: They love us because we didn't hurt them and we did our job, well.

[FourthBase]

Regular old police, with the help of vigilant and intrepid citizen detectives (internet and otherwise), should have done their best to identify and catch the perps.

Did the massively extreme show of force actually help anything?

...

While I must admit the overt fascistic fashion show scares me, what really scares me is the deafeningly loud applause for the fascism, here, there and everywhere else.

And I am fucking terrified that the sight of the paramilitary units locking down your exceptionalistic "Don't Tread on Me" city's neighborhoods actually comforts you and the vast majority your fellow Bostonians.

What happens when the "terrorism" is "perpetrated" by wholly justified anti-corporate demonstrators? Do y'all applaud when the stormtroopers march from door to door to smoke out whoever is hiding Sacco and Vanzetti?

Applause for...[heads, fascism; tails, fascism]

So, regular old police, like...what? Guys with twirling a baton and with a revolver holstered?
You've read what these two are supposed to have been doing, right? The arsenal they had?

What happens when the worst case scenario you fantasize about happens?
The scenario that did not happen? I don't know. I doubt it'd be what you hopelessly dread.

I get the whole "But what about the next step?" thing, I do. Really.
But you're worrying about, like, 10 steps from now.
How about: One step at a time. One thing at a time.
How about: Maybe that next step won't happen.

One thing I would like to point out here, for you to ponder. Let's say a mass movement for independent, uncompromised inquiry emerges here, spreads elsewhere, results ultimately in the arrests of a whole assortment of shady, evil bastards. From supremacist militias, to terrorist cells, to corporate immiserators, to corrupt politicians, etc. Who do you think will be applying the handcuffs? Not you, or me, internet denizen. It would be cops. Who would be assaulting the compounds and apartments of seriously-deranged terroristic death cults? Not just cops, Officer Friendlys. It would be paramilitary SWAT teams. If that were to occur, after the guilty sons of bitches were locked into paddywagons and whatnot, once the stream of such cops and agents -- the good ones -- started to roll back toward headquarters to file their after-action reports...Do you clap? If so, how hard? Do you sing the national anthem? How loud? Or, do you sulk, because...because your worst fears didn't come true? Because a good outcome isn't as viscerally entertaining, is too schmaltzy? Because, well, what's the next step? What's the twentieth next step? If you were handed a gift horse, a real one, flawed but real, living, breathing...would you refuse to believe it? Would you kill it in order to cut it open just in case there were Greeks hiding in its intestines? I would sure hope not, for your sake. But also, for our sake, right now: Please do not prematurely shoot to death what might just be a gift horse. Thank you.

[stickdog99]

Innocent Watertown family ripped from their home at gunpoint; Police storm the property ...

6:00

1. I didn't catch the part where they busted down a door. Oh, wait...they knocked.
2. I missed the part where anyone was "ripped", in fact, looked like...they walked out. One guy lowered his hands and a cop grabbed it and re-lifted it with mild force. Another cop yelled "Hands up!" to another who was lowering his hands, probably absent-mindedly. Cops usually like hands to stay up, so that innocent people are not misperceived as threats and mistakenly shot. Luckily, that didn't happen. Well, not so lucky for you, that would've made a great video, for the purpose of establishing the tyrannical crackdown you want there to have been.
3. I failed to see a "family", instead a saw a house of twenty-somethings, likely college students.
4. Where are the guns aimed at these twenty-somethings as they walk out, unmolested, on their own? Where is the "gunpoint"?

Nice try, though.

Nah, lol, who I am kidding. That try sucked.

So you are so seriously invested in defending the police that you have no problem whatsoever with them entering, searching and evacuating houses door to door on whim? What do you think would have happened if they did not answer the door or if they resisted letting the cops in? Why does is illegal search and seizure OK because they are "twenty-somethings"?

Yeah, I know I'm looking the gift fascism in the mouth again.

[seemslikeadream]

LATER YOU CAN SAY YOU DID NOT KNOW



Early every year the seeds are growing

Unseen, unheard, they lie beneath the ground

Would you know before the leaves are showing

That with weeds all your garden will abound?

If you close your eyes, stop your ears

Hold your mouth, how can you know?

The seeds you cannot see may not be there

The seeds you cannot hear may never grow

In January you've still got the choice

You can cut the weeds before they start to bud

If you leave them to grow higher, they'll silence your voice

And in December you may pay with your blood

Close your eyes, stop your ears

Close your mouth and take it slow

Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear

And later you can say you didn't know

Everyday another vulture takes flight

There's another danger born every morning

In the darkness of your blindness the beast will learn to bite

How can you fight if you can't recognize a warning?

Close your eyes, stop your ears

Close your mouth and then you know

Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear

And later you can say you didn't know

Today you may earn a living wage

Tomorrow you may be on the dole

Though there's millions going hungry, you needn't disengage

For it's them not you that's fallen in the hole

It's all right for you if you run with the pack

It's all right if you agree with all they do

If the fascist's party slowly climbing back

It's not here yet, so what's it got to do with you?

The weeds are all around us and they're growing

It will soon be too late for the knife

If you leave them on the wind that around the world is blowing

You may pay for your silence with your life

Close your eyes, stop your ears

Close your mouth, they're never there

And if it happens here, they'll never come for you

Because they'll know you really didn't care

[IanEye]

FourthBase,
it seems like it is a nice day outside.

i, for one, plan on venturing out on my lunchbreak and taking a walk through the industrial park with Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" on my WalkMan.

i'll take the back roads to where the steel rims crack, meditate on life for a bit, throw some pebbles into the ditch, then head on back.

it feels good to be alive.

*



& i'm caught one more time
up on Cyprus Avenue
& eye'm caught one more time
up on Cyprus Avenue
& i'm conquered in a car seat
nothing that eye can do

*

[FourthBase]

IanEye, sir, you are correct.

Have a nice day, everyone.
I'm not dead. I have both my legs.
The sun is out here. Birds chirping. Later.

[seemslikeadream]

we love you Fourth Base please nothing posted here is meant to be personal.... really....let's start over



i and i precious time is slippin away

[Canadian_watcher]

If the parameters are "No calling an entire city of people including several of our regular RI members mindless Nazi-lovers", then sure, please set those parameters for yourself. Or, mods, please set them. It's not just me, dude. Realize that, say, IanEye is also being called a mindless Nazi-lover. Oh, you don't want to call him that, because he's cool, and I'm admittedly an asshole? Tough. That's what you're doing. Yes, this is personal. This is a real city. These are real people. I am real. I exist. IanEye exists. My family and friends are real. IanEye's are, too. We are not actors. We are not what you think we are, or what we are being called. I have tried to explain what we are, why we clapped. Have you bothered to read it?

who is calling who what now? I have made no comment on this except to offer my sincere sadness and outrage at the original act of violence and then later to object to unlawful search without any specifics tied to my objection. I am not the target of your rage, but see? That is what rage will do to a person -- anyone who doesn't immediately lick the boots of the enraged will be deemed to be "with the terrorists. I won't engage you further, because soon enough you'll be insinuating even worse intent and actions to my posts than you already have, above.

[Bruce Dazzling]

What we are seeing in Boston is a preview of that police state — a kind of “coming attractions” look at it. The mindless post-capture applause for the army of police who implemented the “lock-down” of the city after the marathon bombing was part and parcel of that police state.

Someday, those cheering images will make a great clip in some Leni Riefenstahl-style propaganda film glorifying whoever is the current maximum leader of the American dictatorship.

This, I will not tolerate.

SLAD, is this your personal opinion?
Or do you stick to posting links in order to hide behind them?

I know these people. I am myself one who applauded, in my home, at the television.
I am the furthest fucking thing from mindless. I am the furthest fucking thing from a Nazi German.

I know you might prefer if I weren't here. Then you could doom-i-cize and scorn Boston with glee.
But I am here. I am HERE. I am these people you scorn. That makes shit like that personal.

Okay I've been watching this bullshit for long enough without jumping in because it isn't my fight - but come ON. This is why I don't come to RI very often anymore. In EVERY THREAD there's some blowhard asshat running around demanding people censor themselves.
In this thread it's all over the place and IMO this kind of belligerent rhetoric is nauseating.

You don't OWN the opinion or facts on Boston, 4B. You don't have special rights to dictate the appropriate responses/questions/links/observations - do you think you do? I have no idea why you're being permitted to rage and insult and harrass in this thread but let me tell you buddy, that's what you're fucking doing. You sound like you've gone completely off your rocker. Listen to yourself - !!!!

ffffffffffffffffffffffff

What is your hometown? Who are your friends, your family? Who are you?
What if I said that you and everyone you know is a mindless Nazi? Cool? You happy?

Censor yourselves? No, how about: Be thoughtful.
Is that a request for self-censorship, if you can't be thoughtful?
Then, yeah, censor yourselves. Thanks.

so what you seem to be saying is "get out of my way, this is PERSONAL FOR ME, and since it is PERSONAL for ME I get to set all the parameters of behaviour for debate and discussion!" That very sentiment, to me, is what pretty much got "us" (the whole fucking world) into the War on Terror in the first place.

If the parameters are "No calling an entire city of people including several of our regular RI members mindless Nazi-lovers", then sure, please set those parameters for yourself. Or, mods, please set them. It's not just me, dude. Realize that, say, IanEye is also being called a mindless Nazi-lover. Oh, you don't want to call him that, because he's cool, and I'm admittedly an asshole? Tough. That's what you're doing. Yes, this is personal. This is a real city. These are real people. I am real. I exist. IanEye exists. My family and friends are real. IanEye's are, too. We are not actors. We are not what you think we are, or what we are being called. I have tried to explain what we are, why we clapped. Have you bothered to read it?

Fourth Base,

You've been publicly warned on this thread for personal attacks.

You've been publicly warned on this thread for making vague "disinformation agent" accusations.

Now, you're cherry picking quotes and then completely and histrionically misconstruing them.

For the record, nobody is "calling an entire city of people including several of our regular RI members mindless Nazi-lovers."

Nobody did that, which means that all you're doing is shaking sticks at hornet's nests, which is ALSO something that I've warned you against in the past week or so.

You're doing this thread far more harm than good, and even though you've done an admirable job of cagily modifying your tactics after each specific warning I've given you, I'm suspending your account for one week for chronic thread disruption.

Please get this thread back on topic, everyone.

[Jerky]

Seems to me like the Boston Hoaxers Sandy Hookers and False Flagellants are the woolliest sheeple of them all these days.

Jerky