TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Nordic]

Donald Trump Speech on Hillary Clinton 6/22/16

So how does any of this transcend what has been heard before by any politician?

Since the beginning of time?

I listened to the speech and other than drilling down on some of Hilary's misdeeds in depth there is almost nothing new under the sun that every politician promises in their vagaries to get elected. But Trump doesn't even pause to name or label bills or endeavors for his policy platforms, because they only exist as talking points for him.

Trump also is working against the fact that it takes insiders to get shit done. And unless he plans on his family and inner circles running Congress, Senate, Pentagon, State Department and the thousands of other governmental bodies there is no way he won't be able to compromise (which is what politics is really about) to accomplish anything, let alone his grandiose but vague plans.

Here are the notes I made of the speech. Can anyone tell me how Trump's promises and points are different from anything ever said before?

1. This candidate wants to create more jobs, jobs, jobs.
2. This candidate thinks all the "insiders" & "politicians" need to go who have rigged the system.
3. This candidate wants to fix all our trade deals.
4. This candidate thinks the whole economy is rigged by special interests, donors, etc.
5. The other candidate is "a liar" and only in it for the money.
6. This candidate wants to put the worker first.
7. This candidate wants rule by the people, not politicians.
8. This candidate wants to end the "special interest monopoly" in Washington.
9. The other candidate doesn't have the temperament or judgement to be president.
10. The other candidate thinks its all about them, but I know its about you, all Americans.
11. This candidate wants to stop rewarding corporations for off shoring jobs.
12. This candidate wants to make America rich again.
13. This candidate wants to bring back manufacturing back to America.
14. This candidate thinks the other candidate and family has made our competitors rich and themselves at our expense.
15. The other candidates election will be the end of our country.
16. The other candidate has made our enemies stronger.
17. The other candidate has cost people their lives.
18. The other candidate has destabilized and wasn't tough enough in the Middle East.
19. The other candidate was for the war in Iraq.
20. The other candidate doesn't recognize the threat of radical Islam.
21. The other candidate may be the most corrupt person ever to seek office.
22. The other candidate has used their influence and position for personal gain.
23. The other candidate has made deals with countries that are repressive to women and LGBT members.
24. The other candidate is not disclosing personal and business information.
25. The other candidate is probably being exploited or blackmailed by other people.
26. The other candidate has radical plans for immigration.
27. The other candidate won't represent minorities well and doesn't really care about them.
28. This candidate will appoint judges who uphold the Constitution.
29. This candidate will create really good jobs for the unemployed.
30. This candidate will cancel bad trade deals for America.
31. This candidate will lift limitation on energy production.
32. This candidate will get rid of Obamacare.
33. This candidate will pass massive tax reform creating numerous jobs.
34. This candidate will pass new ethics for the Dept. of State.
35. The common theme is: America First.
36. This candidate believes things have to change and the other candidate doesn't believe in change. (Real change, not Obama change, so I guess Trump change?)
37. This candidate believes we were once great, but now not so much, but elect me and we can be great again, bigger, better, stronger than ever before.
38. This candidate will build the best infrastructure, best military, new factories, revitalize cities, and make this country strong, strong, strong.
39. This candidate will raise wages and bring jobs, jobs, jobs.
40. The other candidate if elected will cost jobs. (jobs, jobs, jobs?)
41. This candidate will support police and fire departments.
42. This candidate will nominate really great Supreme court judges.
43. This candidate is going to make America safe again.
44. This candidate will make people dream again.

Actually he specifically mentions NAFTA and the TPP which nobody else is doing. He's basically advocating for returning to the American School of Economics, which would, at least economically, truly "make America great again" since it's what made America the world's most powerful economy in the first place (that and a ridiculous amount of natural resources).

[brekin]

Donald Trump Speech on Hillary Clinton 6/22/16

So how does any of this transcend what has been heard before by any politician?

Since the beginning of time?

I listened to the speech and other than drilling down on some of Hilary's misdeeds in depth there is almost nothing new under the sun that every politician promises in their vagaries to get elected. But Trump doesn't even pause to name or label bills or endeavors for his policy platforms, because they only exist as talking points for him.

Trump also is working against the fact that it takes insiders to get shit done. And unless he plans on his family and inner circles running Congress, Senate, Pentagon, State Department and the thousands of other governmental bodies there is no way he won't be able to compromise (which is what politics is really about) to accomplish anything, let alone his grandiose but vague plans.

Here are the notes I made of the speech. Can anyone tell me how Trump's promises and points are different from anything ever said before?

1. This candidate wants to create more jobs, jobs, jobs.
2. This candidate thinks all the "insiders" & "politicians" need to go who have rigged the system.
3. This candidate wants to fix all our trade deals.
4. This candidate thinks the whole economy is rigged by special interests, donors, etc.
5. The other candidate is "a liar" and only in it for the money.
6. This candidate wants to put the worker first.
7. This candidate wants rule by the people, not politicians.
8. This candidate wants to end the "special interest monopoly" in Washington.
9. The other candidate doesn't have the temperament or judgement to be president.
10. The other candidate thinks its all about them, but I know its about you, all Americans.
11. This candidate wants to stop rewarding corporations for off shoring jobs.
12. This candidate wants to make America rich again.
13. This candidate wants to bring back manufacturing back to America.
14. This candidate thinks the other candidate and family has made our competitors rich and themselves at our expense.
15. The other candidates election will be the end of our country.
16. The other candidate has made our enemies stronger.
17. The other candidate has cost people their lives.
18. The other candidate has destabilized and wasn't tough enough in the Middle East.
19. The other candidate was for the war in Iraq.
20. The other candidate doesn't recognize the threat of radical Islam.
21. The other candidate may be the most corrupt person ever to seek office.
22. The other candidate has used their influence and position for personal gain.
23. The other candidate has made deals with countries that are repressive to women and LGBT members.
24. The other candidate is not disclosing personal and business information.
25. The other candidate is probably being exploited or blackmailed by other people.
26. The other candidate has radical plans for immigration.
27. The other candidate won't represent minorities well and doesn't really care about them.
28. This candidate will appoint judges who uphold the Constitution.
29. This candidate will create really good jobs for the unemployed.
30. This candidate will cancel bad trade deals for America.
31. This candidate will lift limitation on energy production.
32. This candidate will get rid of Obamacare.
33. This candidate will pass massive tax reform creating numerous jobs.
34. This candidate will pass new ethics for the Dept. of State.
35. The common theme is: America First.
36. This candidate believes things have to change and the other candidate doesn't believe in change. (Real change, not Obama change, so I guess Trump change?)
37. This candidate believes we were once great, but now not so much, but elect me and we can be great again, bigger, better, stronger than ever before.
38. This candidate will build the best infrastructure, best military, new factories, revitalize cities, and make this country strong, strong, strong.
39. This candidate will raise wages and bring jobs, jobs, jobs.
40. The other candidate if elected will cost jobs. (jobs, jobs, jobs?)
41. This candidate will support police and fire departments.
42. This candidate will nominate really great Supreme court judges.
43. This candidate is going to make America safe again.
44. This candidate will make people dream again.

Actually he specifically mentions NAFTA and the TPP which nobody else is doing. He's basically advocating for returning to the American School of Economics, which would, at least economically, truly "make America great again" since it's what made America the world's most powerful economy in the first place (that and a ridiculous amount of natural resources).

And how is he ever going to repeal those even if elected? He can't without congress. And how will that happen when the Republicans and Democrats in office hate him almost equally? Some presidents can't even get their policies passed when they control the house or Senate, and he's going to scratch out existing bills made law like NAFTA, Obamacare, etc. on arrival at the White House because he doesn't like them? He may be running a non-standard campaign but if he gets elected (God help us all) he won't be able to run a non-standard presidency because of things like laws. And Congress and Senate would love nothing more than a common polarizing figure that they could point to, other than each other, to blame when the system isn't working.

[Nordic]

I'm not arguing with you about that. Just the content of his speech. Which WILL appeal to a hell of a lot of people.

But don't worry. Hillary will cheat her way to the Oval Office so you can breathe easy. She's the Deep State candidate and the "votes" will magically appear in her favor.

[seemslikeadream]

R. Crumb v. D. Trump, 1989 [NSFW]
FROM THE BOING BOING SHOP




R Crump's "Point the Finger" series of comics about his disgust with America appeared in the first run of Hup! in 1989.

Crumb took aim at many targets, among them real estate mogul Donald Trump, who, in issue 3, was confronted by a raging Crumb who called him "one of the most evil men alive" and a "slime-ball," before Trump smarmed his way to victory over Crumb, winning the affection beautiful women and sending the police with guns drawn to confront Crumb for "wasting his time." Then, in a Crumbian reversal, he imagines a surprise ending where he is triumphant.

It's Crumb all over: weird, self-deprecating, sexist, and before its time. Long before "Make America Great Again," Crumb had Trump's number.










ROBERT CRUMB AND FRIENDS FLUSH DONALD TRUMP DOWN THE TOILET, 1989 [Martin Schneider/Dangerous Minds]

[brekin]

I'm not arguing with you about that. Just the content of his speech. Which WILL appeal to a hell of a lot of people.
But don't worry. Hillary will cheat her way to the Oval Office so you can breathe easy. She's the Deep State candidate and the "votes" will magically appear in her favor.

Oh indeed, it will appeal to many. And I'm no Hilary fan, but I will take the Deep State candidate over the No State candidate any day. I like my death, avarice and mayhem contained and discreet, not open and in the street, thank you very much.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I will take the Deep State candidate over the No State candidate any day. I like my death, avarice and mayhem contained and discreet, not open and in the street, thank you very much.

It's a sad, sad day on RI...

[brekin]

I will take the Deep State candidate over the No State candidate any day. I like my death, avarice and mayhem contained and discreet, not open and in the street, thank you very much.

It's a sad, sad day on RI...

Cheer up, look on the bright side, I haven't banned you...

[Freitag]

That speech was pretty amazing. Where did Lucid Trump come from?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/t ... ion-224654

I don't know but I like him. He's a good speaker. Simple sentences, excellent delivery. I like his technique of punctuating with small phrases like "very important".

As for the content of the speech? I don't think a presidential candidate has attacked another so viciously since the 1800's. He absolutely demolished Hillary. Called her a thief. Said she took bribes. It was remarkable. I especially liked his timeline of the Middle East unraveling while she was Secretary of State.

[SonicG]

I don't quite understand all the implications about the Trump campaign going broke but it is typical hilarious cognitive dissonance that, now, debt is great baby! Can he declare the campaign bankrupt?

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I am "the king of debt."That has been great for me as a businessman, but is bad for the country. I made a fortune off of debt, will fix U.S.

[JackRiddler]

I remember that Crumb piece!

That speech was pretty amazing. Where did Lucid Trump come from?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/t ... ion-224654

For some reason the video shows an empty podium while he reads from some other spot in the room. But that is what he is doing, reading. He's a great reader. He reads fabulously.

And haven't several of us been saying this is coming? Once he's dispensed with the Republican antagonists, he will run to Clinton's left - and may do so very effectively. What doesn't he talk about in this speech? Everything that was central to his pitch until now. Nothing about a wall. Nothing about a flood of Mexican scum. Nothing about deporting 11 million people. Nothing about TAKE THEIR OIL. Nothing about closing the border to Muslims. Suddenly immigrant communities, LGBT, ordinary Muslim people in the Middle East, African Americans, inner cities, all are suffering and need a helping hand. He's going to bring them jobs, jobs, jobs, work, work, work, greatness, riches, etc.

Do I have any problems with the Clinton critique? Which of us hasn't said pretty much all of it (except for "Benghazi.") And yet I do have a problem with a personalized demonization of individuals (Bill, Hillary and Obama) as the villains responsible for everything wrong. And here's a guy who says America First and all the other countries are hostile who's going to fix it all. Raise military budget, back the police to the hilt...

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Yeah the pandering to the police departments and Israel were the skeeziest parts, but to do otherwise would be unwise at this point.

[FourthBase]

That speech was pretty amazing. Where did Lucid Trump come from?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/t ... ion-224654

I don't know but I like him. He's a good speaker. Simple sentences, excellent delivery. I like his technique of punctuating with small phrases like "very important".

As for the content of the speech? I don't think a presidential candidate has attacked another so viciously since the 1800's. He absolutely demolished Hillary. Called her a thief. Said she took bribes. It was remarkable. I especially liked his timeline of the Middle East unraveling while she was Secretary of State.

Agreed.

[SonicG]

All well and good to pull out childish name-calling, that certainly keeps the Tea Party base a bit satisfied, but Trump is a crook too, so it will be interesting to see if they will start focusing more and more on Trump's, uhm, legal shortcomings...But yeah, he is almost doing a cheap imitation of what people accuse Sanders of trying to do: promise everyone a bunch of free shit out of thin air. People can fantasize about the magical creation of millions of six-figure jobs all they want, but there are no substantial jobs to bring home, or easily create, especially with the dumbing-down oriented educational policy of the last 20 years or so...There is no turning back on the path of global capitalistic expansion, at least not by the legislative arm of one government. Good fucking luck with that, Donald my lad...

[Jerky]

You guys really thought that speech was good? Jeez.

I mean, he didn't shit his pants, reach back, then fling it into the audience, so I guess he exceeded expectations, but he basically stood there and spewed lies stolen wholesale from books published by World Net Daily and David Horowitz's outfit as though they were gospel truth.

They're not gospel truth. They're drivel.

I still think he's not going to be the GOP candidate. But we'll see.

YOPJ

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Yusef Salaam was 15 years old when Donald Trump demanded his execution for a crime he did not commit.

Nearly three decades before the rambunctious billionaire began his run for president – before he called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, for the expulsion of all undocumented migrants, before he branded Mexicans as “rapists” and was accused of mocking the disabled – Trump called for the reinstatement of the death penalty in New York following a horrific rape case in which five teenagers were wrongly convicted.

The miscarriage of justice is widely remembered as a definitive moment in New York’s fractured race relations. But Trump’s intervention – he signed full-page newspaper advertisements implicitly calling for the boys to die – has been gradually overlooked as the businessman’s chances of winning the Republican nomination have rapidly increased. Now those involved in the case of the so-called Central Park Five and its aftermath say Trump’s rhetoric served as an unlikely precursor to a unique brand of divisive populism that has powered his rise to political prominence in 2016.

“He was the fire starter,” Salaam said of Trump, in his first extended interview since Trump announced his run for the White House. “Common citizens were being manipulated and swayed into believing that we were guilty.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... e-new-york