Huge explosion in Oslo

[stickdog99]

UAF leader cleared out on same ferry that transported killer to Utoya with just 8 other people (boat fits about 50)

Bad google translation follows:

John Valley Giske was deckhand on the boat that transported Anders Behring Breivik to Utøya Friday afternoon.

"He arrived in a police uniform when we saw him the first time," said John.

"There were some who brought the car that would take the suitcase he was carrying. It was very heavy, and it would run up to the information on Utøya. The way I understood it, people thought the suitcase contained bombeavvæpningsutstyr in connection with what had happened in Oslo. The suitcase was so heavy that he wanted help to get it up on the island," says 20-year-old.

He does not know how long it took, but he thinks it's about a few minutes from the boat was docked until he heard the first shots.

Eventually, people came running down, among them was AUF leader Eskil Pedersen and his counselor and a few more. Finally we called the captain of the boat and was driven from the land.

"How was the decision to go made?"

John, wait a while before he responds and looks down.

"I think that in such situations are not talking about taking such a decision, it was the only way that we had to go. There were several who shouted that we had to go. There was no one around us at the dock and it had not helped us to be there," says John.

He says that he subsequently has thought a lot about the decision they took the afternoon.

"It's clear they know little of it that we were nine in the boat, and it could fit 50."

[barracuda]

I'm missing something here. If he took a taxi to Utoya, whose van is that?

[tazmic]

I'm missing something here. If he took a taxi to Utoya, whose van is that?

http://www.bislet.no/

[stickdog99]

Two Shooters

"One with long hair and one with short hair"

Anders Behring Breivik rode the ferry over to Utöya with sailor John Valley Giske. On the way to the island, he said that several people were on their way. Anders Behring Breivik may have had an accomplice. Several witnesses stated that he did not act alone.

"There were two people shot, one with long hair and one with short hair," Kalidas says Ibrahim, 17, to Expressen.

"Two people were shooting"

Police confirmed yesterday that they are investigating whether Anders Behring Breivik may have had an accomplice. Several witnesses who Expressen talked to says that they felt that there were two gunmen who shot. Kalidas Ibrahim, 17, was behind the suspected shooter, together with some friends. He is sure he was not alone.

"Two people were shooting, one with long hair and short hair. The other came in a boat, I think he died on the island," he says to Expressen.

Anders Behring Breivik is long and blonde and was wearing a police uniform when he was arrested. Several witnesses now provides a completely different descriptions of what could be a second offender.

Dressed in civilian clothes

According to witness statements was the second man dressed in civilian clothes. He had thick dark hair, Nordic look and was about 180 centimeters long. According to Norwegian newspaper VG, he had a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back.

"I'm sure that there were two that shot. I heard shots from one direction, only shortly afterwards from an entirely different direction," says Marius Helander cairn, to Expressen.

Anders Behring Breivik rode the ferry over to Utöya with sailor John Valley Giske. On the way to the island, he said that several people were on their way. "He said that there would be two police officers. But there came no more with the boat," said John Valley Giske, 20, to Expressen.

"We are working flat out to cope with the situation and are working on the move in order to investigate whether there is a number two," said police inspector Einar Aas Oslo to VG.

At the police news conference last night, the police said that they do not exclude any possibilities. Among other things, the border control to Sweden strengthened to track any accomplices.
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"There is a person who has been arrested, but we do not exclude additional," say prosecutors Trine Dyngeland.

The night was also information to Expressen about the person who may have been the suspected mass murderer's first victim on the island Utøja.

Several sources told the newspaper Expressen that a completely innocent guard or plainclothes police the island received it dressed as the killer. He should have helped him pack. The guard was so, completely unaware that there was a suspected terrorist who came ashore.

"They drove a car with the bag, where he had the weapons because it was heavy," Seaman says John Valley Giske.

The police would not deny the reports

Shortly after leaving the berth and drove towards the building belonged to John Valley Giske the first shots.

"Everything happened very quickly. From that he took it about 3-4 minutes before he began shooting," said the Valley Giske.

According to the data to the Express, the guard / civilian police have been the suspected mass murderer's first victim.

The police wanted this night neither deny or confirm reports that a policeman or guard should have been shot on the island.

"We can not give out any information about it," says Viola Bjelland, police lawyer at Oslo Police District.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

One thing that intrigues me, in his manifesto we are given different posed pictures of Breivik, showing his different faces so to speak: Breivik the mason, Breivik the knight, Breivik the nuclear scientist, casual Breivik, and Breivik with a rifle in a diving suit (?). The mission is a guy with a rifle on an island, where a big part of the logistics is how to get off and on the island, both for the police and the killer. So why did he pose in a diving suit anyway?

EDIT: nevermind it's not a diving suit, but a compression top:

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[stickdog99]

Full nterview with ferry crew member John Geske

Nine people, including UAF leader, take ferry boat that could have fit a huge crew of police or evacuated or rescued 50 kids off the grid

20-year-old, who are otherwise Trond Giske's nephew, said he responded that the perpetrator had plugs in his ears. "The only thing I wondered about was that he had the iPod plugs in his ears, but it is not every day you see the bomb police," he said.

He says that Behring Breivik was carrying a suitcase was so heavy that he had to transport it from the boat to the shore by car.

Geske estimates that boat with around five to six passengers, landed about quarter past five, and that Behring Breivik started shooting after about five minutes after he had gone ashore.

"I did not understand what happened, I thought he disarmed something dangerous, or tested the weapon. That a police officer shoot your friends, is not the first thing you think," he continued.

Giske was the only one in the boat when the shooting started. But he was quickly joined by several others who came running. Among them was AUF leader Eskil Pedersen and his advisor.

In order to reach safety, they went from the island. Anyone who was near the boat at the time - a total of nine people - came on board. They left from the pier.

"We left about 17.25. When we were nine on the boat, and there were no others around us. The captain saved my life by dragging me, by being so focused and not freaking out," he said.

Dared not run the country since

First, they were on their way to the land, but they quickly changed direction. Behring Breivik had in fact informed that there would be another two policemen after him. This information was such that they did not know what awaited them there, so they chose to go north.

"We dare not dock at the land side. It could be people there. We drove north for nearly an hour," he said.

They hid on the floor inside the wheelhouse, and so not have happen to them what happened on the island. :We did not dare go up to see, he could hit us, so we lay on the floor, and then not know what was going on, we just had to run," he said further.

After nearly half an hour to leave the dock. Going back to the boat was too dangerous, now they had to get to the country side to try to help the victims as much as possible.

"We could not go back. There was no point in playing movie heroes. In such a situation is all so unreal, you do not understand what is happening."

[justdrew]

wait, WTF the ferry went back to the mainland? WTF WTF WTF. Why couldn't the cops call it for a ride over then? Even if it was being used in the unofficial search and rescue, I'd think they could have gotten it to come back.

[stickdog99]

wait, WTF the ferry went back to the mainland? WTF WTF WTF. Why couldn't the cops call it for a ride over then? Even if it was being used in the unofficial search and rescue, I'd think they could have gotten it to come back.

It goes way beyond that. Here's what happened:

The ferry drops off the shooter. Then they get a car to help him carry all of his guns and ammo to where the kids are.

Then once the shooting starts a few minutes later, who comes running onto the ferry but the leader of whole organization who planned the camping trip and "his advisor." Then they vacate the island immediately, leaving behind all the others and evacuating a grand total of 7 passengers and 2 crewmen on a boat that could have carried 50 people to safety.

Then, instead of bringing the ferry back to its dock where it could have been used for rescue missions and/or to transport dozens of well-armed cops, they head straight north at full speed for over a half a hour and dock the ferry where it can safely be of no use whatsoever to help the kids getting murdered.

[barracuda]

I don't find the ferryman guilty of much. He saved seven people. Do you really fault him for not waiting for more people to show up and get aboard? The killer(s) could have been next to show up. And the killer told him he had two more accomplices coming dressed as police, so he's supposed to go back to the mainland and wait for the police?

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

About the taxi, in a clip linked to below there is an interview with a taxidriver said to be "maybe one of the last persons to talk to Breivik before the terrorattacks". It's also a silvercolored taxi, just like in the article vanlose posted. But he drove Breivik from a trainstation to his farm the day BEFORE the attacks:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk3xg8 ... tacks_news

[stickdog99]

I don't find the ferryman guilty of much. He saved seven people. Do you really fault him for not waiting for more people to show up and get aboard? The killer(s) could have been next to show up. And the killer told him he had two more accomplices coming dressed as police, so he's supposed to go back to the mainland and wait for the police?

No, you are right. What this guy obviously needed to do was to travel north at fuil speed for "nearly an hour" so that nobody could possibly use the ferry to help any kids getting shot. No other course of action would have been remotely reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously, no other closer dock could have possibly been safe.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Another piece of weird news, according to his lawyer Breivik is ok with a psychiatric examination, but only by foreign non-norwegian psychiatrists:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3427540

[barracuda]

No, you are right. What this guy obviously needed to do was to travel north at fuil speed for "nearly an hour" so that nobody could possibly use the ferry to help any kids getting shot. No other course of action would have been remotely reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously, no other closer dock could have possibly been safe.

Geezus, dude, the guy saved seven people from the worst single incident mass-murderer in history, and you're second-guessing his actions and basically calling him a coward? What, is he an accomplice now, in your book?

You must practically be Batman IRL, dude. You're looking for a pretty high standard of heroism for a 20 year old ferryman.

[Plutonia]

From Pierre's taxidriver video link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk3xg8 ... tacks_news

"he was talking to a couple of little girls... "

" a couple of plants... a couple of thousand plants.."

Odd little narrative, n'est ce pas?

"taxi driver" is perfect cover for covert operations work? Strategically positioned for "messaging?"

Reminiscent of the 911 "due to structural failure" guy?:

[solace]

No, you are right. What this guy obviously needed to do was to travel north at fuil speed for "nearly an hour" so that nobody could possibly use the ferry to help any kids getting shot. No other course of action would have been remotely reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously, no other closer dock could have possibly been safe.

Geezus, dude, the guy saved seven people from the worst single incident mass-murderer in history, and you're second-guessing his actions and basically calling him a coward? What, is he an accomplice now, in your book?

You must practically be Batman IRL, dude. You're looking for a pretty high standard of heroism for a 20 year old ferryman.

Perfection can be a curse sometimes.