#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:26 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:Buckle up.

Many links are in the original story, including one to this video:



Who are the Occupy Wall Street protesters?
Washington Post Opinion
By Jennifer Rubin


From their endorsers, their mounds of trash and their signage, it wasn’t too hard to figure out that the Occupy Wall Street crowd is not composed of regular folks. The more we learn, the more it becomes just how fringy this rag-tag mob is.

In the wake of ECI’s ad highlighting the anti-Semitic elements within OWS, the Anti-Defamation League perked up with its own message denouncing the Jew-hating messages. And even the liberal blocking backs at the National Jewish Democratic Council had to weigh in: “As NJDC has repeatedly and consistently said over the course of years, anti-Semitic and abusive Holocaust rhetoric has no place in our political discourse—including at the gatherings surrounding the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ rallies and protests, where a handful of incidents have been documented. Invoking the Holocaust or engaging in anti-Semitic canards to make a political point is never acceptable.”

But the notion that extremists are a small sliver of the protests took a blow when someone bothered to actually find out who was out in the streets. Democratic pollster Douglas Schoen writes in the Wall Street Journal:

On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York’s Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn’t represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%). . . . What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Schoen warns his fellow Democrats to keep their distance. “Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That’s why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.”

None of this, I suspect, will keep the liberal media from slobbering over the protesters. Nostalgia for the 1960s protests is part of the explanation, and the liberals’ widespread antipathy toward the private sector (all those profits, all that wealth-creation upsets them) certainly factors in.

But you can’t help but think there’s some catharsis going on among the demoralized elites who insisted the One was vindication of their left-leaning philosophy. In the real world, however, the liberal domestic dogma (Keynesianism) and its foreign policy fantasies (close Gitmo) crashed and burned. It would be too much to concede conservatives’ criticisms were valid. So much more satisfying, then, to blow off steam with the hard left, excoriating directly and by implication the president’s failure to achieve liberal nirvana. Eugene Robinson writes, “The biggest impact of the Occupy Wall Street protests has been to provide a focal point for generalized economic and political discontent.” Actually, it’s to provide a focal point for liberals’ economic and political discontent. And looking at the unemployment figures, President Obama’s polling numbers and the prospects for the 2012 election, they have plenty to be discontented about.


Bumping this so it doesn't get lost on lonely ol' page 75.

God that really chaps my hide, but very expected and am quite surprised we haven't seen much of this kind of bullshit up to now. The problem obviously, with "conservatives" and the "free market" they worship is that these "liberals" and "progressives" who have some masked agenda is that the liberals are striving for an ideal of freedom for all regardless of these phony ass, cooked up political battle lines. Go to any conservative hipster megachurch and you'll see people who look and dress exactly like those in attendance of OWS. This article is such utter EFFECTIVE bullshit, it again allows us to peer into the murky psyches of the both who the water is for and the water carrier. You see the institutionalized contempt of the poor, the up to their knees in debt, human rights -- including the right for perhaps yes, a largely progressive movement -- laid bare. Yet, who then, if any progress is to be made, is gonna start the ball rolling? Those ensconced behind their riches or those who are just scraping by and have a liberal, permissive-of-all bent? To be true to our word as liberals, we first seek to do no harm.

This is the "Asking Nicely Phase". To deny that "shit is fucked up and bullshit" from any position on the "political spectrum" is to be a blind fool waiting for your next scrap and/or hoping at long last your 20 lottery tickets you bought last Friday night finally put you on your way to easy street. This isn't zero sum to the 99%, but is to the 1%. Jennifer Rubin got a table scrap for that driveby attempt (one of many, many more to come). How many more must become not only destitute but find themselves in the untenable position of being the victim of the stressor? Life is only so long and should not be spent in perpetual debt and confusion. Unlike our conservative neighbors who live within the same system, but have fallen for the macho god talk (well trained to never ask questions), the liberals are trying to fix this place borne out of ideals which each and every corporation drills from in order to mount any kind of product or PR campaign.

Who the fuck cares if OWS is "largely employed"? Good for them. All of us are scraping by in our own way and we are seeking to share what little power we have. That old term "writing on the wall" comes to mind. Well, the writing has been recognized by certain parts of the human species and are telling the criminals that we see them. None of these douchebags would want to live in a world that had no liberals. First off, we are the artists, we are the designers, we are the poets and the people who will seek to cheer you up for free. Secondly:

Small caveat: back in Denver before I moved away a bunch of people around town had these bumperstickers which read "Imagine no Liberals". It really made my blood boil to see that. Not because I was a liberal and felt in any way threatened, but because don't these idiots see the illogic in such a moronic statement? Sure, "get rid" of "all the liberals" and see what happens then. Shit socially would now shift and then there would still be more liberals, essentially members of your community who you still disagree with in perpetuity until we got down to you and something you disagree with and the authoritarian over you would one day deem that you were too liberal. Now who would come to your aid? Not the liberals you exterminated, but somebody with some kind of feeble compunction existing still in their soul, kinda like Darth Vader finally deciding to throw the Emperor into the pit because he chose finally to do the right thing. Kind of a reverse of the "then they came for me" maxim.

Imagine everyone on Earth living and let live always, with a view to doing the right thing and having the freedom and means to do so for their entire lives? Yeah, utopian as they say, but we should not cut off society's only means to make it happen. Thus, we are still around, water carriers and won't be going away. Keep making shit worse and you will find that your wish was actually a curse you couldn't find the time to process while the writing for all of us is sitting right there in front of you, on the wall.

Amen. . . :wink
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby wordspeak2 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:36 pm

Yeah, I loved it the military guy's rant, except for the part about going and killing Iraqis if you really want to hurt somebody. That kind of spoiled the whole thing for me. If that wasn't what he meant that wouldn't have been what he said.

And I really hate to be a party pooper, but I'm still not as inspired by Chris Hedges as others seem to be. I think it's the abject lack of good spokespeople that makes anyone remotely articulate seem like a hero. And street protests did not really bring down Milosevic; NATO did. I hate that shit.

One final complaint, since we're doing negatives- yes, it's really inspiring to hear about how well the process has been going in New York, but my friend in Chicago reports that it's been really hard to be out there at night as a woman. Just when she starts feeling somewhat comfortable someone else tries to grope her. I have no idea if other cities are like that. The only folks I know who have spent the night in New York are guys. I hope it's only Chicago that's as bad as she portrays it to be (though she still goes out every night- but doesn't camp).

Overall, I'm really, really inspired by this movement. I think that we *all*- certainly all of us on here- can be poetic spokespeople, little Marcos'. IMO that's what we need more and more of, people who can speak the message in a way that touches people. Orators. Lots of them. We all have it in us. The fascists can kill a Fred Hampton or an MLK, but they can't really kill a thousand of us.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby wordspeak2 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:41 pm

And now, when you thought Obama couldn't possibly be more of a tool, he compares OWS with the Tea Party.


Obama Says Wall Street Protests Similar to Tea Party Frustration
October 18, 2011, 2:44 PM EDT
By Roger Runningen
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1 ... ation.html

Oct. 18 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said the Occupy Wall Street movement was born of many of the same sentiments that led to the Tea Party movement.

“I understand the frustrations being expressed in those protests,” Obama said in an interview with ABC News. “In some ways, they’re not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the Tea Party. Both on the left and the right, I think people feel separated from their government. They feel that their institutions aren’t looking out for them.”

The president made the comments in an interview with ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper set for broadcast on the network’s “Nightline” program tonight. The network released excerpts from the interview conducted in Jamestown, North Carolina. where the president was making a stop on his three-day bus tour to promote his economic proposals.

Obama said his proposals to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans and close some corporate loopholes can help restore a sense that “everybody gets a fair shake but we’re also asking a fair share from everybody.”

Doing so will help dissipate some of the anger expressed by demonstrators, he said.

The protests over income disparity that began in New York’s financial district have spread as far as Rome and Hong Kong
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:54 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:This was not bullying...this was truth to power...this was well placed anger...he spoke for me...he gave me a voice


It was outrage. I looked for signs in his body language that he meant to attack or sacrifice himself to a violent arrest to make a point or take the opportunity to get physical. I didn't see it. Big, beefy guys are allowed to be outraged too, in my opinion.

wordspeak2 wrote:One final complaint, since we're doing negatives- yes, it's really inspiring to hear about how well the process has been going in New York, but my friend in Chicago reports that it's been really hard to be out there at night as a woman. Just when she starts feeling somewhat comfortable someone else tries to grope her. I have no idea if other cities are like that. The only folks I know who have spent the night in New York are guys. I hope it's only Chicago that's as bad as she portrays it to be (though she still goes out every night- but doesn't camp).


Thanks for sharing this. Yes, that's where I'd expect to see the differences. I've been tempted to go out at night but haven't yet, there are just too many risks.


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Thank you for that. I will use it here: http://guillotinerevival.com which is very much a work in progress. Anyone who has good stuff to contribute, or ideas or anything, please give a shout out!

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As for anti-semitism, we had some preemptive action on that issue in Seattle Saturday. Two Jewish women protesters erected a special enclosure, I believe an eruv, but the police tore it down with the rest of the tents.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:57 pm

Obama needs to realize that he lost us and he ain't getting us back.

The OWS folks need to say that publicly, too.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Saurian Tail » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:02 pm

82_28 wrote:That old term "writing on the wall" comes to mind. Well, the writing has been recognized by certain parts of the human species and are telling the criminals that we see them.

Yes. Exactly. We see you. We know who you are. We have connected the dots. The spell has been broken.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:10 pm

Oh when the spell is broken
All your magic and your ways and schemes
All your lies come and tear at your dreams
When the spell is broken



Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby Perelandra » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:16 pm

Got this in the mail the other day.

http://www.occupytheboardroom.org/
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:17 pm

Saurian Tail wrote:The spell has been broken.


The Dummies will have to write different a answer to their question now

Is the spell really broken?
Has the time finally come?
Do they see it's an omen?
That it's over and done?

Have they seen the thing coming?
Or do they pretend?
Do they know that it's finally
Beginning to end?



http://www.mojvideo.com/video-crash-tes ... a65f498cfa

YES!!! :yay
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Saurian Tail » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:40 pm

:cheers:

Cheers everyone!
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:52 pm

Saurian Tail wrote:
82_28 wrote:That old term "writing on the wall" comes to mind. Well, the writing has been recognized by certain parts of the human species and are telling the criminals that we see them.

Yes. Exactly. We see you. We know who you are. We have connected the dots. The spell has been broken.


The dots were connected long ago. The Gnostics knew all of this and were waiting for the right time, the pleroma, as it were. The Internet awakened a long dead wisdom, which never died, but went into hibernation as the knowledge, being knowledge as it is, knew it must wait until the time it could one day take hold. The knowledge knows no time, it only knows it exists as more souls in and of their freewill take part in accessing it and relaying it, much like the "human microphone" we see today. It IS manifesting. This is what shall delete the empire -- which never of course, ended.

Sorry. You totally provoked my dickian sensibilities there! Yet, this is what I truly believe. There is an encoded knowledge in all Earth bound beings, flora and fauna and we share what we share. Thus we share. . .
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Aurataur » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:00 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:Overall, I'm really, really inspired by this movement. I think that we *all*- certainly all of us on here- can be poetic spokespeople, little Marcos'. IMO that's what we need more and more of, people who can speak the message in a way that touches people. Orators. Lots of them. We all have it in us. The fascists can kill a Fred Hampton or an MLK, but they can't really kill a thousand of us.


Thank you for this, wordspeak2. This highlights what I consider to be one of my own personal hypocrisies. I have a voice but rarely use it. It has been over six years since I last performed my rhymes in front of a group. It is time for me to start again.

I started writing a new piece a little over two years ago. It was made for the Occupy movement. I am inspired to perform it the next time I attend Occupy Los Angeles. Here's a teaser:

What the hell are we doing?
Why the hell are we here?
All this anger that's brewing
Between our ears
We gotta take control
To make things right
We gotta break the mold
Take up the fight
'Cause we're facing a future
Of immeasurable anguish
We're circled by vultures
Who feast on the vanquished
Our freedoms have languished
While war pushes on
Don't think that it's over
Just because Bush is gone
The push has begun
Now it's time for action
While the media lies
And peddles distractions
Divides us in factions
Got us fighting for fractions
While our nation is looted
By billionaire bankers
On Wall Street it's rooted
'Cause Goldman Sachs
And Goldman Pillages
And commodity traders
Are starving whole villages...


There's more to it, but you'll have to wait for the video! Thank you for exposing my hypocrisy, wordspeak. After all, my name is Aurataur.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:31 pm

Saurian Tail wrote:
Yes. Exactly. We see you. We know who you are. We have connected the dots. The spell has been broken.



True. A small percentage of the population has connected the dots and for them the spell is broken.

I see this as a race against time. The internet is the peg board that has allowed some people to connect the dots. The 1% are furiously working to dismantle the peg board through legislation and other means of censorship. True to their methods they are doing it slowly so that the destruction of the peg board will be an invisible process.

We are on the verge of having an entire generation of young people that are awake. This scares the beejebus out of the 1%. A few more years of truth on the internet will cause serious problems for the 1% and the 1% is fully aware of it. I see desperation in their accelerated attempts to shut down internet truth.

Can we educate enough people before internet truth is dead and gone? I certainly hope so.

Even if this occupy movement fizzles out when the cold weather rolls in I will not be totally disheartened. I see the occupy movement as a wave that has potential to become big enough to swamp the 1%. Even if 'this wave' is not 'the' wave that swamps the 1% I see it as a wave that will most likely start more waves in the future.

This occupy wave has taught many confused people who knew something was wrong, but didn't know exactly what was wrong, to think for themselves. It taught them where to focus their attention. This wave has has also behaved as a vortex to focus people's attention in the proper places.

Even if 'this' wave is not 'the' wave I am still very excited about the effects it is having on the psyche of the population at large. This wave has swept all over this little blue dirt clod hurtling through space that we call home.

People are learning that violence and division are traps. People are learning that simply opting out of the system will kill this vile system. This, in and of itself, is a bit exciting.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Laodicean » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:34 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:42 pm

Police raid on occupy San Francisco. They not only tore down the tents but they also threw away all the food and donated items. According to what I understand their orders were to get rid of tents but they took many other items as well. <<<(i could be wrong about that but I understood that the tents and shelters were the only thing that could be legally removed.

And the human microphone is blistering these cops at the 8:39 mark on the video. :lol:

Turns a small bit violent at the 11 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgVFq73m ... detailpage

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