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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:05 pm

Nordic wrote:I'm sure the Egyptian people are WAY WAY WAY smarter than the Americans.


No, I don't think the Egyptian people are smarter than the Americans, but they do have a lot more experience of falling for very convincing lies and cons and then discovering just how badly they were fooled. It's not even a question of "fool me twice" -- more like "fool me several dozen times", each time differently, but there are only so many tricks and over the past century or so we've pretty much seen them and obsessed about them all, not only in Egypt, but elsewhere in the region.

Which brings me to the important role played by a pan-Arab network like Al Jazeera, which has done so much to place each event that takes place in one country or region, within the greater historical and political context. Patterns become clear. The actions of the right hand AND the left hand are juxtaposed. We find out all sorts of things we didn't know.

Nordic wrote:But there are some very sophisticated people studying the Egyptian people RIGHT NOW figuring out what buttons to push in order to follow this model there.


Yeah, those would be the same very sophisticated people who have been studying us for decades and given us such masterpieces as the campaign to persuade us that Iraq was liberated by the democratic, freedom-loving West and that Iran is our true enemy and that Israel only wants peace and that the IMF and the World Bank want only what's best for us and that the Saudi monarchy and Mubarak's regime represent stability and moderation, just to name a few -- I think they've worn the buttons out.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:11 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Yeah, those would be the same very sophisticated people who have been studying us for decades and given us such masterpieces as the campaign to persuade us that Iraq was liberated by the democratic, freedom-loving West and that Iran is our true enemy and that Israel only wants peace and that the IMF and the World Bank want only what's best for us and that the Saudi monarchy and Mubarak's regime represent stability and moderation, just to name a few -- I think they've worn the buttons out.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:18 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:The revolution continues. Last night was another crazy night. Following information that State Security troops were busily destroying all the secret files, thousands of demonstrators surrounded headquarters of State Security all over the country, including in Alexandria and several cities in the Nile Delta and in two Cairo districts, trying to get inside to save them and give them to the army. They were met with snipers shooting from the roofs, then molotov cocktails.

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Not everything was destroyed -- even the surviving files contain shocking information, according to witnesses. Few details yet, although some have mentioned deliberate attempts by State Security to incite sectarian hatred, among other things.

These files are very important because they contain details about how State Security operated, and also about the enormous web of collaborators and informants and agents that are embedded at every level, even among the opposition.

The army has surrounded all the State Security buildings in Cairo and Alexandria and issued an order to freeze all activities of the State Security apparatus indefinitely.


So many good signs, including this and the new PM and the fact that the revolutionaries have a voice that is heard. It's essential that people keep pushing. Are there calls for a proper constitutive assembly to produce a new basic law, rather than (as the Army seems to want) an election of parliament and president under the old constitution, with its extreme powers for president and six-year terms?

Apropos: The moment when East Germany really fell was January 15, 1990.

Festival marks 20 years since Stasi HQ occupied

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Berlin - A festival in Berlin Saturday marked the crowd invasion 20 years ago of the sinister secret police headquarters which prevented the communist Stasi from wiping out all its records. Hundreds of visitors were urged to apply to see files on themselves compiled before the collapse of communism, and perhaps to discover that a friend or lover might have been spying on them for the Stasi, which employed 2 per cent of the East German population.

The files are still there in the former Stasi headquarters, which were seized by protesters of January 15, 1990, but the site is now a public archives. Its three canteens offered food and drink Saturday to the people who came to hear history lectures and tour the rooms.

Marianne Birthler, head of the archives, said in remarks late Friday that the weekend of celebrations were a time of joy and relief.

"It was the work of the East Germans themselves that the files were saved from destruction," she said.

Stasi staff, who had spent days destroying the most incriminating files on their decades-long reign of oppression, fled the building in the 1990 occupation and dared not return.

The building complex was then sealed under police guard till reopening as the archives. Most of the papers are still inside, and any German can apply to see what the Stasi knew about them.

Germany's openness with its old secret-police files is often contrasted with the policies of eastern European nations which have kept such files sealed for fear of re-opening old wounds between dissidents and their betrayers.

The celebrations were moved from Friday to Saturday and Sunday to ensure a large public attendance.

A total of 91,000 people worked full-time for the Stasi, plus an additional 189,000 citizens who collaborated as informers.

Posted by Earth Times Staff

(c) Deutsche Presse-Agentur


Can you imagine, only a couple of cameras were there to record the moment when a crowd of thousands pushed their way into the Stasi Zentrale in Lichtenberg, Berlin, and if I remember (my participation being that I would watch TV news in Cologne), the footage appeared a day or two later on news magazines, rather than immediately on the nightly news.

Cursory search reveals a likely dearth of good material on this event. Here's Part 3 of a German documentary on the Stasi Zentrale, in which the storming of it is shown. No subtitles. Major action starts around 5 minutes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA0-mNIDhZY

Among other documents later found, it shows plans for where the snipers were to place themselves for a best shot at the crowd. One story is that the Stasi couldn't fire for fear of hitting the undercover Stasi people in the crowd, which would make sense given how thorough the Stasi always were.

The protest was organized in response to rumors that the Stasi were destroying files. The people hadn't expected to get in, and had little idea what to do. They were deceived into going into the wrong building in a very large complex, where no files were kept. There was a bit of plunder and graffiti, some of it possibly by Stasi themselves. But as a result the complex was shut down in the days that followed, occupied by civil-rights groups, and the files saved. It became possible for anyone to come and request their own files. Some irony in the fact that you could read your East German files, but could not get your unredacted West German files, if you also had those.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:33 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Hillary Clinton: "We're Losing the War"


It's not just the Americans who are "losing the war" -- everybody seems to have taken a shot at setting up an alternative to Al-Jazeera, like the Brits with their BBC World Arabic and Al-Arabiya, the Saudi version. They're all very well funded and technically slick productions and they even try to imitate Al-Jazeera's style, with their own versions of its most popular shows.

The problem with propaganda, though, is that it can only succeed to the extent that it can monopolize the discourse. It reminds me of that old joke, about the entrepreneur who got rich and bought a yacht. Wearing a captain's hat, he shows off to his mother, saying, "What do you say, Ma? I'm a captain now!" His mother looks at him and says, "To me, you're a captain. To a captain, you're no captain." In other words, propaganda does not bear up well under scrutiny or comparison with the "real thing". So as long as a quality alternative exists, Clinton's lament will go unheeded not because the Americans don't have enough money or enough expertise to produce really sophisticated propaganda, but because even the most sophisticated propaganda relies on ignorance and suppression of information. If that information is available through another source, it neutralizes the propaganda.


Absolutely.

And yet, in the States, FOXNEWS gets the highest cable ratings and has influence, even though so much less propagandistic material is freely available to Americans on the Internet. So culture and in this case being conditioned by culture and media since childhood into an inflated national self-image play a role. Most Americans want to be fed a line of bullshit about how great they are, how unfairly maligned by the mean old world that hates them even though all they ever do is help. Either they want it, or they feel very uncomfortable in its absence, like they're exposing themselves as dirty commies. Of course, this is also related to the divide between TV culture and Internet culture. I do wonder if the potential opening of US cable to foreign networks (Al Jazeera but also everything else, since pretty much everything is superior in news coverage to the US cable propaganda outlets), which may be inevitable with the technological convergence of all media, might not lead to a radical shift over time, especially as people discover they get better coverage about stuff happening in their own communities from foreign outlets.

Also, truth has a certain ring to it and most people are not really as bovine as propagandists wish they were, or as stupid as they're trying to make them. True, they can be manipulated with lies and half-truths and selective news and dumbed-down demagogic appeals, but when they gain access to a high-quality alternative all these things quickly become like the glamor of a disco exposed to the cold light of day: bleak, cheap, repugnant and depressing.


Absolutely. Also to be considered with all the local (RI) talk about the "sheeple."

However, lay off discos, okay? Why would anyone ever want to expose one to the light of day? It's like arguing that ice cream only tastes good out of the freezer, but leaving it in the sun for a day exposes its true nature as unapalatable slop.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby crikkett » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:36 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:It's just been announced: the resignation of Egyptian Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq has been accepted and a new guy who I don't know, Essam something or other, has been requested TO FORM A NEW GOVERNMENT.

...The $64,000 question now is: who will be heading the core ministries including Justice, the Interior, Foreign Affairs, Petroleum, Labor? (We already know who will continue to be Minister of Defense, meaning that despite this good news, the champagne stays in the fridge for the foreseeable future).

On Edit: Oh, all right. ONE GLASS. :wink

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:10 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Are there calls for a proper constitutive assembly to produce a new basic law, rather than (as the Army seems to want) an election of parliament and president under the old constitution, with its extreme powers for president and six-year terms?


There are, very much so, but the Armed Forces Council has already set March 18 as the date for a referendum on the constitutional amendments it commissioned. These are limited amendments, focused on ensuring transparent elections of a president with a maximum of two four-year terms, but they're intended to speed up the transition to an elected civilian government which can take over and commission a totally new constitution.

The revolutionaries are very adamant that they're not interested in speed, they want a transitional "revolutionary" government of clean, widely-respected technocrat Cabinet ministers headed by a "presidential council" comprising 2 civilians and one representative of the Armed Forces Council to oversee the creation of a new constitution and to take concrete measures that will set the stage for new parties to emerge and have the time to organize themselves and mobilize voters. They're saying that the rush towards presidential elections within just six months will backfire because as things currently stand, the only two groups that are well-organized and experienced in running professional campaigns are the former members of the National Democratic Party (who have already begun forming political parties with names like "Youth of the 25th January Revolution" to mislead voters), and the Muslim Brotherhood. This would not only deny voters genuine representation, this would ironically actualize the very scenario with which the Mubarak regime always threatened people (and the Americans): "It's either us or the Muslim Brotherhood!" So an important demand is for this transitional government to run things for at least one or even two years. We'll see.

JackRiddler wrote:Apropos: The moment when East Germany really fell was January 15, 1990.

Festival marks 20 years since Stasi HQ occupied


The talk of the nation right now is all about those documents and the shocking revelations that are coming to light faster than we can keep up. Some people are saying that State Security is not salvageable, that it must be dissolved at once, but others (and I agree with them) are saying that would be the worst thing to do, for two reasons.

First, every country needs an internal State Security force and the baby shouldn't be thrown out with the bath water. Once the top officials are removed and new directors brought in, preferably under judicial supervision and parliamentary oversight, and once the evil ones are weeded out and prosecuted, we need State Security to perform its legitimate duty as guarantor of Egypt's security. Second, they're pointing to the experience of certain other countries that, by suddenly setting loose a huge number of individuals with paramilitary training and no prospects, created massive problems. It simply creates a dangerous pool of potential mercenaries that can be recruited by organized crime and other sinister parties to form militias and gangs. That would be catastrophic, but I just don't see that happening.

A lot depends on the new Minister of Interior who will be chosen to serve in the new government of Prime Minister Essam Sharaf who in my opinion is not just a good guy, but quite a treasure. I've been digging a little and the more I discover about him, the more excited I feel about the future.

JackRiddler wrote:Most Americans want to be fed a line of bullshit about how great they are, how unfairly maligned by the mean old world that hates them even though all they ever do is help. Either they want it, or they feel very uncomfortable in its absence, like they're exposing themselves as dirty commies.


Not really. I think most Americans, like other people, want to really be good, even great, to rise to the occasion and show their true mettle, not just "be fed a line of bullshit about how great they are". Compare the cognitive dissonance and alienation and bitterness so many Americans clearly feel now, with what they experienced in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, when of their own accord they set aside their differences and came together as one and crime disappeared and people talked to each other and helped each other, often heroically, and the whole world united with them in an outpouring of solidarity and love. It was really amazing and inspiring, and it makes what came afterward, beginning with the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan, that much more tragic. Right now they're temporarily confused and I suspect, feeling helpless, but I think they won't remain confused forever and at some point something will happen to break the invisible barrier of fear that's been so carefully erected around them. Do you really think the overwhelming majority of Americans, given the choice, wouldn't know the difference or would choose what they have now to what they had then?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby jingofever » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:59 pm

People are tweeting about the State Security raid. Some alleged documents.

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Caption: #StateSecurity file archive. Each file is for one person. Feels like East Germany.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:17 pm

Wow alice, thanks for the coverage btw.

Your people are inspiring.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:16 am

Apropos Al Jazeera:

CNN Anchor Interviews Al Jazeera Anchor Who Interviewed Libyan Rebels

NEW YORK—In an effort to provide viewers with an authentic, first-person account of conditions on the ground in Libya, CNN news anchor Kyra Phillips conducted an exclusive, one-on-one interview Tuesday with the Al Jazeera news anchor who interviewed leaders of the uprising. "What can you tell us about what they told you about what the situation is like for them right now?" asked Phillips, going directly to the source of the Arab news network's extensive on-air discussions with key figures in the rebellion. "'This fight for freedom has come at a great cost to you,' is what I imagine you said to them, correct?" CNN has announced it will continue its firsthand reporting on the chaos in Tripoli's streets from its bureau in Cairo, more than 1,000 miles away.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/cnn-an ... erv,19395/
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:41 am

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History's shifting sands

The revolutions sweeping the Arab world indicate a tectonic shift in the global balance of people power.


Mark LeVine Last Modified: 26 Feb 2011 12:58 GMT

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Protesters in Egypt offered words of support to union workers in the US state of Wisconsin [GALLO/GETTY]



For decades, even centuries, the peoples of the Arab world have been told by Europeans and, later, Americans that their societies were stagnant and backward. According to Lord Cromer, author of the 1908 pseudo-history Modern Egypt, their progress was "arrested" by the very fact of their being Muslim, by virtue of which their minds were as "strange" to that of a modern Western man "as would be the mind of an inhabitant of Saturn".

The only hope of reshaping their minds towards a more earthly disposition was to accept Western tutelage, supervision, and even rule "until such time as they [we]re able to stand alone," in the words of the League of Nations' Mandate. Whether it was Napoleon claiming fraternité with Egyptians in fin-de-18e-siècle Cairo or George W. Bush claiming similar amity with Iraqis two centuries later, the message, and the means of delivering it, have been consistent.

Ever since Abd al-Rahman al-Jabarti, the great Egyptian chronicler of the French invasion of Egypt, brilliantly dissected Napoleon's epistle to Egyptians, the peoples of the Middle East have seen through the Western protestations of benevolence and altruism to the naked self-interest that has always laid at the heart of great power politics. But the hypocrisy behind Western policies never stopped millions of people across the region from admiring and fighting for the ideals of freedom, progress and democracy they promised.

Even with the rise of a swaggeringly belligerent American foreign policy after September 11 on the one hand, and of China as a viable economic alternative to US global dominance on the other, the US' melting pot democracy and seemingly endless potential for renewal and growth offered a model for the future.

Trading places

But something has changed. An epochal shift of historical momentum has occurred whose implications have yet to be imagined, never mind assessed. In the space of a month, the intellectual, political and ideological centre of gravity in the world has shifted from the far West (America) and far East (China, whose unchecked growth and continued political oppression are clearly not a model for the region) back to the Middle - to Egypt, the mother of all civilization, and other young societies across the Middle East and North Africa.

Standing amidst hundreds of thousands of Egyptians in Tahrir Square seizing control of their destiny it suddenly seemed that our own leaders have become, if not quite pharaohs, then mamluks, more concerned with satisfying their greed for wealth and power than with bringing their countries together to achieve a measure of progress and modernity in the new century. Nor does China, which has offered its model of state-led authoritarian capitalist development coupled with social liberalisation as an alternative to the developing world, seem like a desirable option to the people risking death for democracy in the streets of capitals across the Arab world and Iran.

Instead, Egyptians, Tunisians and other peoples of the region fighting for revolutionary political and economic change have, without warning, leapfrogged over the US and China and grabbed history's reins. Suddenly, it is the young activists of Tahrir who are the example for the world, while the great powers seem mired in old thinking and outdated systems. From the perspective of "independence" squares across the region, the US looks ideologically stagnant and even backwards, filled with irrational people and political and economic elites incapable of conceiving of changes that are so obvious to the rest of the world.

Foundations sinking into the sands?

Although she likely did not intend it, when Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, warned Arab leaders in early January that they must "reform" lest their systems "sink in the sand" her words were as relevant in Washington as they were in Tunis, Tripoli, Cairo or Sanaa. But Americans - the people as much as their leaders - are so busy dismantling the social, political and economic foundations of their former greatness that they are unable to see how much they have become like the stereotype of the traditional Middle Eastern society that for so long was used to justify, alternately (and sometimes simultaneously) supporting authoritarian leaders or imposing foreign rule.

A well known Egyptian labour organiser, Kamal Abbas, made a video telling Americans from Tahrir that "we and all the people of the world stand on your side and give you our full support". It is a good thing, because it is clear Americans need all the support they can get. "I want you to know," he continued, "that no power can challenge the will of the people when they believe in their rights. When they raise their voices loud and clear and struggle against exploitation."

Aren't such lines supposed to be uttered by American presidents instead of Egyptian union activists?

Similarly, in Morocco activists made a video before their own 'day of rage' where they explained why they were taking to the streets. Among the reasons, "because I want a free and equal morocco for all citizens," "so that all Moroccans will be equal," so that education and health care "will be accessible to everyone, not only the rich," in order that "labour rights will be respected and exploitation put to an end," and to "hold accountable those who ruined this country".

Can one even imagine millions of Americans taking to the streets in a day of rage to demand such rights?

"Stand firm and don't waiver .... Victory always belongs to the people who stand firm and demand their just rights," Kamal Abbas urged Americans. When did they forget this basic fact of history?

From top to bottom

The problem clearly starts from the top and continues to the grass roots. Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency on the slogan "Yes we can!" But whether caving in to Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, on settlements, or standing by as Republicans wage a jihad on the working people of Wisconsin, the president has refused to stand up for principles that were once the bedrock of American democracy and foreign policy.

The American people are equally to blame, as increasingly, those without healthcare, job security or pensions seem intent on dragging down the lucky few unionised workers who still have them rather than engage in the hard work of demanding the same rights for themselves.

The top one per cent of Americans, who now earn more than the bottom 50 per cent of the country combined, could not have scripted it any better if they had tried. They have achieved a feat that Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Hosni Mubarak and their fellow cleptocrats could only envy (the poorest 20 per cent of the population in Tunisia and Egypt actually earn a larger share of national income than does their counterpart in the US).

The situation is so desperate that a well known singer and activist contacted me in Cairo to ask organisers of Tahrir to send words of support for union workers in Wisconsin. Yet "Madison is the new Tahrir" remains a dream with little hope of becoming reality, even as Cairenes take time out from their own revolution proudly to order pizza for their fellow protesters in Wisconsin.

The power of youth and workers

In Egypt, workers continue to strike, risking the ire of the military junta that has yet to release political prisoners or get rid of the emergency law. It was their efforts, more than perhaps anyone else, that pushed the revolution over the top at the moment when people feared the Mubarak regime could ride out the protests. For their part, Americans have all but forgotten that the "golden years" of the 1950s and 1960s were only golden to so many people because unions were strong and ensured that the majority of the country's wealth remained in the hands of the middle class or was spent on programmes to improve public infrastructure across the board.

The youth of the Arab world, until yesterday considered a "demographic bomb" waiting to explode in religious militancy and Islamo-fascism, is suddenly revealed to be a demographic gift, providing precisely the vigour and imagination that for generations the people of the region have been told they lacked. They have wired - or more precisely today, unwired - themselves for democracy, creating virtual and real public spheres were people from across the political, economic and social spectrum are coming together in common purpose. Meanwhile, in the US it seems young people are chained to their iPods, iPhones and social media, which has anesthetised and depoliticised them in inverse proportion to its liberating effect on their cohorts across the ocean.

Indeed, the majority of young people today are so focused on satisfying their immediate economic needs and interests that they are largely incapable of thinking or acting collectively or proactively. Like frogs being slowly boiled alive, they are adjusting to each new setback - a tuition increase, here, lower job prospects there - desperately hoping to get a competitive edge in a system that is increasingly stacked against them.

Will Ibn Khaldun be proved right?

It now seems clear that hoping for the Obama administration to support real democracy in the Middle East is probably too much to ask, since it cannot even support full democracy and economic and social rights for the majority of people at home. More and more, the US feels not just increasingly "irrelevant" on the world stage, as many commentators have described its waning position in the Middle East, but like a giant ship heading for an iceberg while the passengers and crew argue about how to arrange the deck chairs.

Luckily, inspiration has arrived, albeit from what to a 'Western' eye seems like the unlikeliest of sources. The question is: Can the US have a Tahrir moment, or as the great Arab historian Ibn Khaldun would have predicted, has it entered the irreversible downward spiral that is the fate of all great civilizations once they lose the social purpose and solidarity that helped make them great in the first place?

It is still too early to say for sure, but as of today it seems that the reins of history have surely passed out of America's hands.


Mark LeVine is a professor of history at UC Irvine and senior visiting researcher at the Centre for Middle Eastern Studies at Lund University in Sweden. He has authored several books including Overthrowing Geography: Jaffa, Tel Aviv and the Struggle for Palestine (University of California Press, 2005) and An Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989 (Zed Books, 2009).

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby DevilYouKnow » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:17 am

^^^ That was good, especially this:

The youth of the Arab world, until yesterday considered a "demographic bomb" waiting to explode in religious militancy and Islamo-fascism, is suddenly revealed to be a demographic gift, providing precisely the vigour and imagination that for generations the people of the region have been told they lacked. They have wired - or more precisely today, unwired - themselves for democracy, creating virtual and real public spheres were people from across the political, economic and social spectrum are coming together in common purpose. Meanwhile, in the US it seems young people are chained to their iPods, iPhones and social media, which has anesthetised and depoliticised them in inverse proportion to its liberating effect on their cohorts across the ocean.

Indeed, the majority of young people today are so focused on satisfying their immediate economic needs and interests that they are largely incapable of thinking or acting collectively or proactively. Like frogs being slowly boiled alive, they are adjusting to each new setback - a tuition increase, here, lower job prospects there - desperately hoping to get a competitive edge in a system that is increasingly stacked against them.


Meanwhile, in Egypt:

Protesters stormed inside at least six of the buildings on Saturday, including the agency's main headquarters in Cairo's northern Nasr City neighbourhood, confronting and attacking some officers.

The protesters are demanding the agency be dismantled and its leaders be put on trial.

"We are inside, hundreds of us." Mohammed Abdel-Fattah, one of the protesters who barged into the Nasr City compound on Saturday, told the Associated Press.

"We are fetching documents and we are looking for detainees."

Around 2,500 people swept into the compound, according to state media.

Abdel-Fattah said they barged in from the back doors, and the military, which had cordoned off the building, could not stop them.


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Postby eyeno » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:52 am

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Postby Jeff » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:00 am



wikileaks wrote:First probable leaked documents from #AmnDawla in #Egypt. Zipped images: http://bit.ly/hh15Mw Flickr: http://bit.ly/hZLwC5
about 15 hours ago via web .

Egyptians create beautiful Amn Dawla leaks logo http://is.gd/CfCVmg
about 16 hours ago via web .

Parts of Khaled Said's #AmnDawla file have been located.
about 16 hours ago via web .

Egyptians: Here is an example of anti-shredding, used to piece together the Stasi (German SS) archives http://is.gd/hMQXvY
about 16 hours ago via web .

Egyptians: Don't throw away #AmnDawla shredded paper! We have the world's best shredder reconstruction team on hand.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby jingofever » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:18 pm

Supposedly a document was found showing that "State Security Planned The Attacks on Church in Alexandria." Seems there are some people who don't want the documents published online but handed over to the army. What are the chances they'll never be seen again after that?
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