Huge explosion in Oslo

[stickdog99]

No, you are right. What this guy obviously needed to do was to travel north at fuil speed for "nearly an hour" so that nobody could possibly use the ferry to help any kids getting shot. No other course of action would have been remotely reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously, no other closer dock could have possibly been safe.

Geezus, dude, the guy saved seven people from the worst single incident mass-murderer in history, and you're second-guessing his actions and basically calling him a coward? What, is he an accomplice now, in your book?

You must practically be Batman IRL, dude. You're looking for a pretty high standard of heroism for a 20 year old ferryman.

He was Gilligan, not the skipper. And looking at the map, you can't go more than 10 miles north before you run out of lake. So basically the captain of the ferry and the leader of the Norwegian Labor youth organization saved their own asses and then drove the ferry as far away as they could possibly get from the kids who were getting murdered before running out of lake. Future leadership at its finest, right? I mean, they had just left all of their friends on the island. Perhaps they could have at least called the police and asked the cops where they would like the ferry delivered?

There is a police department basically right on the lake to the south in Vikersund, Norway.

[solace]

"Future leadership at its finest, right?"

Why would you expect any more of a "future leader," regardless their stripe?

[barracuda]

Armchair quarterbacking victim responses to a harrowing mass murder is a bit much, man. Anyway you look at, those people narrowly escaped with their lives.

[seemslikeadream]

Norway Terrorist Anders Breivik Purchased High-Capacity Gun Clips From The United States

By Ben Armbruster on Jul 28, 2011 at 3:13 pm

Politico reports today that, according to the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten, Anders Breivik, the right-wing “fundamentalist” charged with the terror attacks in Norway last week, purchased high-capacity gun clips from the United States. Part of Breivik’s attack included a gun assault on a Labour Party youth camp just outside of Oslo:

Anders Behring Breivik wrote in a 1,500-page manifesto that he bought 10 30-round ammunition clips for his .223 caliber rifle from an unnamed small U.S. supplier, which then in turn acquired the clips from other suppliers. Norway forbids the sale of clips for hunting rifles that hold more than three bullets, according to Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten.

Breivik wrote in his manifesto that while he could have purchased the high-capacity magazines in Sweden, they would have been significantly more expensive than ordering them from a U.S. supplier. He wrote that he spent $550 for the 10 clips. He also described legally buying four 30-round clips for a Glock handgun in Norway.

The legal sale of high-capacity magazines in the U.S. became an issue earlier this year after Jared Loughner’s shooting spree at an event in Arizona that wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ). Loughner used similar 30-round clips and was subdued only after he stopped to reload his weapon. Such high-capacity clips were illegal until 2004 when the assault weapons ban expired. Many have argued that lives would have been spared that day if it had been illegal to purchase high-capacity magazines.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) introduced legislation to put the limit back on these gun clips. However, the legislation has stalled in the GOP-controlled House. McCarthy told Politico that Americans should be ashamed that Breivik purchased the clips from American dealers:

“There should be a lot of shame,” she told POLITICO. “We’re sending a death warrant to other parts of the world. … Unfortunately now internationally it’s known that you can get here, buy your guns, buy your large magazines and you’re not going to have any problem.”

Of course, the National Rifle Association holds considerable sway among members of Congress, particularly Republicans, and opposes any restrictions on guns and ammunition. Responding to calls to limit the size of gun clips after the Loughner shootings, the NRA said high-capacity magazines are needed for “self-defense.” However, members of the NRA have disagreed with that argument. “If ten rounds of ammunition can’t do the job you probably shouldn’t own a gun,” one NRA member told ThinkProgress earlier this year.

[gnosticheresy_2]

I don't find the ferryman guilty of much. He saved seven people. Do you really fault him for not waiting for more people to show up and get aboard? The killer(s) could have been next to show up. And the killer told him he had two more accomplices coming dressed as police, so he's supposed to go back to the mainland and wait for the police?

No, you are right. What this guy obviously needed to do was to travel north at fuil speed for "nearly an hour" so that nobody could possibly use the ferry to help any kids getting shot. No other course of action would have been remotely reasonable under the circumstances. Obviously, no other closer dock could have possibly been safe.

Did you know that all Norwegians are genetically proven to be total cowards? That's right, recently published research from Professor Madeupnamesson of the University of PinkocowardnonAmericanscumwhyIdjustshootemifitwasmebecauseIknowexactlywhatIddoifIwasinthatsituationitsjustlikethemoviesreallyinnit suggests that most Norwegians when faced with homicidal maniac(s) would act in a fashion that doesn't play out like a movie script from a popular motion picture even though they're going to get criticised for it afterward!! I know I know, the gall of these people! It was me I'd just have em all shot, assuming some nutter with a gun doesn't shoot em first tho yeah?

[stickdog99]

"Future leadership at its finest, right?"

Why would you expect any more of a "future leader," regardless their stripe?

In general they do the exact best thing for them and the exact worst thing for everyone else, just as this guy did. Yes, this little vignette is an archetype of modern "leadership."

[stickdog99]

Armchair quarterbacking victim responses to a harrowing mass murder is a bit much, man. Anyway you look at, those people narrowly escaped with their lives.

Yep, so narrowly that they had to drive a ferry that would have been highly useful to save their friends due north at full speed for almost an hour just to widen that gulf a little!

[barracuda]

What a cowardly thing to say.

[stickdog99]

Let's just think about this for a second. If you wanted to make sure that as many kids would be murdered as possible, what would you have done with the ferry?

[barracuda]

I'm not going to second guess the actions of victims who were fortunate enough to have not only survived a mass murder, but saved seven others along with themselves. I'll leave that sort of nonsense to you. I hope you understand eventually how absurd and offensive such an exercise really is.

[waugs]

i mean, really. It's one thing to say that perhaps there were some people involved in law enforcement who purposefully delayed action for some ulterior motive (for which there is still very scant evidence), but it's quite another to be questioning the people who actually were there and saved lives.

stickdog, would you say such offensive things to these peoples' faces?

[justdrew]

"Future leadership at its finest, right?"

Why would you expect any more of a "future leader," regardless their stripe?

In general they do the exact best thing for them and the exact worst thing for everyone else, just as this guy did. Yes, this little vignette is an archetype of modern "leadership."

I'll agree there. The entire planetary "leadership" needs to be changed, and we need to get a whole lot better at picking new ones.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Plutonia, it is a strange interview with the taxi driver ("Travis Bickle"), the thing about little girls also stood out for me, also weird that apparently there are two taxidrivers, the one from the interview the day before and another one on the day itself driving him from one target to another, both in silver cars, although that is the most common color i suppose.

[Canadian_watcher]

Let's just think about this for a second. If you wanted to make sure that as many kids would be murdered as possible, what would you have done with the ferry?

stick, seriously. If you were the driver of the ferry *maybe* you *may* have gone back.. but probably not. I mean what separates the 20 year old ferry pilot from the kids on the island?????? NOTHING> he was a potential victim, too. Think about it, please. I am with you that the delay was horrible... but to impugn this ferry boat pilot who was just a kid himself when .. let's face it ... you have ZERO idea what your reaction might have been is utterly unfair.

[stickdog99]

i mean, really. It's one thing to say that perhaps there were some people involved in law enforcement who purposefully delayed action for some ulterior motive (for which there is still very scant evidence), but it's quite another to be questioning the people who actually were there and saved lives.

stickdog, would you say such offensive things to these peoples' faces?

Everyone is so fucking offended by everything. During the time scores of kids were getting killed, their ostensible leader absconded with the biggest boat around that could have been used to rescue scores drowning kids and drove it as fast and as far away as he possibly could without running out of lake. Doesn't that strike anyone here except me as a somewhat strange response to all of your friends being in mortal danger?

And, folks, the 20-year-old was NOT the pilot of the boat! He was just a crew member.