The Mind controlled slaves flip out

[thurnundtaxis]

Here's some thing of interest regarding Anna Nicole Smith's artwork.
My RI was "triggered" by the highlighted "keywords":

She also was desperate to prove herself. While having some artwork framed, Smith met gallery owner Lynne Crandall. Crandall’s studio was the setting for Smith’s one and only gallery showing, of some 30 paintings. “She did acrylic flowers, landscapes, people,” says Crandall. “It was charming, childlike art that her fans were interested in seeing.” Many pieces were sold, ranging in price between $2,000 and $4,000, recalls Crandall. Whether Smith’s artwork will increase in value is questionable, seeing as it "is strictly based on her name only, not her expertise as an artist. She wasn’t a great artist, yet they were from herself, from her real self.”

And that real self, says her hypnotist Dr. Amazing (aka Marvin Teitelbaum, MD) “was bright, clear, very friendly, very smart, intelligent.” Trendy concurs, saying that off-camera, Smith was "very friendly, sweet and giving.”

http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Inter ... 86B3C46%7D

A hypnotist called "Dr. Amazing" ?! A check of his website says he does some amazing work with "MEMORY".

http://www.memorysite.com/seminars/Dr.Amazing.htm

WOW! After learning what I have from this site and some of the survivor memoirs I have read this seems like a positively smoking gun pointing towards classic mind control techniques figuring quite strongly in her life .

Of course these information sources I cited would appear inconsequential to 90+% of the population...

[sunny]

I remember seeing a video of Cathy O'Brien in which she explained that many mind controlled victims, such as herself, were molested by a parent and came to the attention of controllers after the perp was arrested or otherwise exposed. In exchange for making the charges go away, the controllers were allowed to "buy" the child. (She said her father, a grammer school drop-out, became extremely wealthy after being awarded gov't contracts).Some were sent to places like Nashville to become mind controlled entertainers and make money for them. Anna's talent seemed to be that she was exceptionally beautiful and charismatic, both of which were fully taken advantage of in the form of her modeling career and her highly successful reality tv show. I would be interested to know the current financial condition of her parents. Since it has been said that Anna grew up poor, and if the parents are currently affluent, gov't contract related wealth would be a dead giveaway.

[LilyPatToo]

marmot, that's an amazing (and ambitious!) choice of setting for a novel I've written much more about my alters in the mammoth When there are witness [sic] thread on the Unknown Country board. A dozen years ago, I wrote a cyberpunk novel based on one of them, but with no clue that she was an alter. I thought she was just a spontaneously arising fictional character in my head--a rage-filled, very dangerous character who obsessively hated/loved men and liked to associate with intelligence operatives

sunny, I'm currently reading and posting in MC threads about Candy Jones, another very beautiful MC survivor who was severely abused as a small child and who grew up to be a famous, almost iconic figure. She was highly intelligent and wrote a number of books.

thurnuntaxis, thank you for that info on ANS's artwork.

LilyPat

[Joe Hillshoist]

She IS a child the way children really are.

I've known this woman a long time, and never once did it occur to me that she could have DID and that "the child" could be an alter.

My question was: can this manifestation result from trauma induced in an adult? As I mentioned before, the doctor who treated her for 10 years was implicated in the MK-Ultra experiments.

Or must it have originated in childhood?

This has happened to people i know in front of me. Its a bit freaky.

I think the trauma must occur in childhood, as the regression is a way to return to pre traumatised self.

The trauma of abuse removes trust and a sense of safety.

I think that to be able to feel those things, ie to feel safe or be able to trust, the personality must ground itself in a self that has not yet experienced the pain and suffering that caused the loss of trust and safety.

It seems this process is manipulated by those who are involved in trauma based MC programs.

I don't understand how it could be manipulated in an adult without having something happen beforehand in childhood.

MC seems to be about breaking the continuity that links our various selves.

It would seem to me that unless some trauma occurred in childhood, the break in continuity would not lead back to there.

I do wonder if its possible for people with the training to take advantage of childhood trauma that hasn't been dealt with. Not cause the trauma directly, but manipulate the person based on their self reference to that event.

I know adults with PTSD, and their response usually seems different to regression. More a fight or flight thing.

One of the advantages of attacking children seems to be that they are powerless in that they cannot resort to fight or flight.

IE If I am in the shit and can't get away, well I will go off. It doesn't matter if I am gonna die at least you will hurt and I will take as many of the bastards with me as I can. Children don't seem to have that option, tho some who are traumatised by violence learn the attitude earlier than others.

The ability to strike out is all that matters in this case. if your arms are free you can so to speak. But some children can't.

I got my first martial arts grading as a child, I was under 10, this way.

The bloke who taught the class picked me up. he was at least 6 feet tall, and a black belt with who knows how many Dans.

He asked me "How would you get out of this."

Maybe I should have poked him in the eye, (impossible to do actually), but instead I asked "will you put me down?"

To which he did, and awarded me the grade.

The truth is that if that bloke hadn't wanted to put me down there was very lttle I could have done to make him do so.

That powerlessness is reinforced in trauma based MC.

Its a lot harder to reinforce that powerlessness in someone after puberty cos they have a greater chance of getting lucky with a swing or a kick or an attempt to bite someones throat out.

Part of MC seems to be about removing someones ability to fight back.

Some childhood trauma promotes the ability to fight back. MC seems to take trauma and deliberately remove that potential from it.

[Hammer of Los]

Just as an aside I read Communion about twenty years ago (when I was about twenty years old), and I have never been so terrified by a book before or since. It literally gave me nightmares.

Interesting; ever pursue the reasons why ...or figure out why you had such a response? I wonder, what prompted you to read such a book in the first place?

This made me chuckle actually. Well, the implications made me chuckle.

The book belonged to a friend, I simply picked it up, and being something of a sci-fi buff and an inveterate truth-seeker even back then, I thought it might be interesting, because it purported to be a true account rather than a work of fiction. I regretted reading it after I had finished to be honest. The mere possibility that emotionless, threatening, inhuman grey extraterrestrials could levitate me out of my own bed, through the walls and roof of my house, and undertake "experiments" that seemed more like sexual torture than anything else, would I think be pretty scarey to anyone.

The fact that they could leave no trace, and indeed wipe the memory of the event just made it all the more terrifying. It at once raised the possibility that just such experiments had been conducted on me. You start to wonder whether wholly innocent recollections could be "screen" memories. I had also had some particularly scary dreams about ufo's landing in my back garden when I was young. My problem is that I am bright, very imaginative and somewhat obsessive. Well, thats some of my problems anyway.

I know you are wondering if I have a background in such a program but I don't consider that a real possibility.

Actually, I hate this subject. It makes me sort of depressed. I read about it much like one is drawn to car crash tv. Its so horrific you can't turn your eyes away. Much like "Communion," the whole gamut of MC related literature seems designed to terrify.

I did read those Beth Goobie interviews. Pretty damn mind-blowing.

It was a year or two ago I read those accounts by Streiber where he recounts memories of his childhood, that to anyone familiar with the literature, seemed more than highly suggestive of him being in a MC program. It really was a light bulb moment that crystallised my opinion that "alien abductions" were a cover for covert MC programs. I had come to that conclusion from a reading of Jacques Vallee and others, but I had never thought to apply it specifically to Streiber, who I had read so many years before.

And yes, I think Budd Hopkins is very suspect too.

[marykmusic]

I believe that Lily has it correct when she insists that there needed to have been some sort of childhood trauma. Perhaps that ten years of treatment as an adult was reinforcing earlier programming.

Mind control programming can start breaking down after a certain amount of time; some say 20 years. This can require re-programming if the person is still useful in some way. If the person is not useful, or is even considered a danger to the handlers if programming breaks down, it is common to kill, induce illness, or use drugs to control (often prescription.) For a great training film as an example, look at Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson. --MaryK

[LilyPatToo]

maryk, it just occurred to me this evening that I knew an elderly friend for years without knowing that she'd been abused as a pre-schooler by her brother. Most people of that generation just don't tend to talk about things like that. Is it possible that the woman you're talking about might either be keeping severe early abuse to herself or perhaps, like me, she can't remember it?

Drugging slaves whose shelf-life is expiring--I had a very disturbing encounter with none other than the (then) head of my HMO's Neurology Dept. years back, when I'd gone to a simple walk-in clinic for a migraine that was lasting an unbearably long time. Long, weird story, but I was instead taken in to see the dept. head. And he was upsettingly smarmy and familiar with me AND he prescribed a drug that I took for quite a while with zero effect on my migraines. Later, the TV show "X-Files" did a show on it that portrayed it as a mind control drug used by covert govt. agencies.

Back then I knew next to nothing about mind control, but when I mentioned the years I'd been taking the drug to another doctor and saw the puzzlement and then the concern on his face, I got suspicious enough to ask questions. He said he had no idea why that guy had prescribed it. And he was really upset, because I'd gone through terrible pain, when there were drugs that would have stopped those unending migraines right in their tracks

I think the name of the drug was nortriptyline. It kept me passive for *years*.

LilyPat

[Onesmartrat]

I'm so sorry, Onesmartrat, I had missed your response. Thank you.

I'm talking about the same thing you are. Imagine a woman in her forties, or fifties or older (currently much older), who is a bit high-strung, but normal.

If she does not regularly take her medication, then out of the blue, you are dealing with a small child. Not child-LIKE, and there's nothing at all artificial or self-conscious about it. She's not behaving the way, say, I would if you asked me to imitate a child. She IS a child the way children really are.

I've known this woman a long time, and never once did it occur to me that she could have DID and that "the child" could be an alter.

My question was: can this manifestation result from trauma induced in an adult? As I mentioned before, the doctor who treated her for 10 years was implicated in the MK-Ultra experiments.

Or must it have originated in childhood?

Once again, age-regression is a normal human behavior. If you are asking me if what we are discussing her in terms of the type of age-regessive behavior that is dysfucntional and more extreme in terms of complete behavioral dissociation, then the answer is a big fat no, this cannot just begin in adulthoood. It is a direct product of child an abuse and the younger it occurs the more severe a problem it will be in adulthood. The issues revolve around a child's early developement and the ego-identity not being able to fully develop and mature emotionally and psychologically. Generally, a person will regress to the most appropriate age to "handle" the problem presenting itself, in other words whatever the structural dynamic triggers and demands in terms of a response; it's automatic and usualy the person is completely unaware that they are doing it.

It sounds like this woman is has dissociative identity disorder and I most definately would keeep her away from THAT doctor. the drugs she is on are in reality problem keeping her "stuck" in a maintenance state, rather than actually helping her deal with and resolve her problems. drugs will often themsleves create dissocation and actually exacerbate the issues. People with human-engineered MPD have complex response to drugs and often what effects one alter-state will not effect another.

-OSR

[AlicetheKurious]

Thank you very much, Onesmartrat.

[marmot]

Britney Spears allegedly tries to kill herself in rehab
Full Article <link> | Monday, March 5, 2007

Britney Spears is going through such a horrible experience at the Promises rehab center in Malibu, California, that the "Toxic" singer has claimed that she's the antichrist and that she's on suicide watch after an attempt on her own life, according to The News of the World. The tabloid reports that Britney Spears was "crying, and shouting, 'I am the Antichrist!'"

A friend told The News of the World that Britney Spears tried to kill herself late Saturday night, after the Antichrist incident - "Later that night she tried to kill herself. She attached a sheet to a light and tied it around her neck. Paramedics were called, but luckily she was unhurt."

The 'friend' of Britney Spears told The News of the World, "The clinic people just didn't know what to do [when she ran around claiming she's the Antichrist]. Then she started screaming, ‘I'm a fake! I'm a fake!' It must have been really frightening. When she tried to hang herself it was more a cry for help."

All Headline News reports that the Saturday night suicide attempt wasn't the first for Britney Spears and that she actually tried to kill herself the same night that she now infamously shaved her head.

What's going to save Britney Spears now? It could be something that many superstars turn to - Kaballah. AHN reports that Spears has gotten in touch with her spiritual side in rehab and she converted to Kaballah while she was in Hollywood, after being raised Baptist. "She has found comfort in her old Christian beliefs - and has been praying a lot."

[Shoogie]

I'm including a link to Freeman Fly's webpage. he just recently did a write up of the whole Anna Nicole, Britney thing.

http://thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/


Also, RedIce Radio did a show on Sunday about this for those of you are members. Its a great website run by Henrick Palmgruen [sp?[ a Swedish guy


http://www.red-ice.net/


As for Kurt Cobain, someone mentioned him above. I was a huge Nirvana fan and a teenager when they were popular. I am convinced Kurt was a CIA asset used to create apathy and depression in legions of young fans.

His lyrics are quite revealing, as he mentions "flashing lights" "being strapped to a chair" and seeing himself as a "stain" being forced to smell disgusting things, the song "Rape me" etc.

I am aslo convinced the song "Drain you" off of Nevermind is about twinning. For those of you familiar with the song listen to it again or just look at the lyrics:

From Springmeier "Deeper Insights" Twinning and Bonding:

Two [monarch slaves] will be placed before a many-faced mirror with intense lights and programmed to see each other as inseparable. They become twins, and are programmed to die if the other one dies. They are taught to be one in body, mind, and soul. They are bonded in many ways, including torturing each other, and sexual bonding.

The trauma bonding that they undergo will consist of

a. being put in life or death situations together

b. given programming scripts which intertwine & fill in to complete each other to make a whole

c. are placed in jobs that require total compliance with the programming in order to survive

d. are bonded together to other people.

And yes, Courtney Love is a monarch. Did you know her father was one of the key distributors on college campuses for the Acid tests in the 1960's!! I guess that would make him part of the so-called Aquarian Consipracy. The coincidences go on and on.

[ivanbo2003]

I've just watched the new low budget horror flick,"Return In Red".Awesome movie about mind control in some small God-forsaken town whose population has no awareness of what's coming to them.
A suspicious looking wan with menacing antenna is a must in this movie.
Gave me the creeps.

IMDB entry: http://imdb.com/title/tt0889218/

My recommendation (if it's worth anything..)

[marmot]

Good info Shoogie! Thanks

[Joe Hillshoist]

Shoogie I have a bit of internal resistance to Kurt Cobain Being an MC victim.

But that could be just me.

Cos it actually makes sense.

1. They got big, and lets face it, of all the indie stuff that came out of the world, Nirvana were ... well there were a lot netter bands. Every now and then I have a listen to them, and am surprised by how good they sound. But still that was nothing compared too:

Insert monomental list of awesome bands here...

2. It was depression inducing inertia music IMO. Lets compare them to the Dead Kennedy's for example.

3. Lots of girls who were abused love them. Not necessarily MC abuse, cos not every arsewipe that rapes kids is in on some govt project. But the fascination with Nirvana. I spose Kurt was a cutie...

4. Gee there are some strange Foo Fighters Videos aren't there.


Nirvana used to shit me actually. So many better US bands, even some from Seattle. I saw mudhoney in Melbourne back in the day...


But here is a list of bands with some potential MC influence.

Iggy Pop and everything he did. (Check out that guy who used to manage the Doors after Jim Morrison died. Can't remember his name. he used to say that Iggy would disappear on a bender and return after a sex and drugs mindfuck in the Bay area unsure of who or what he was. I know we hae all been there after a good bender, but there was something about that.)

NIN, MM, Stabbing Westwood et al.

One that interests me is Dennis Tek from Radio Birdman.

One of my all time favorite bands, I wish i had seen them, but I was only 7 or 8 when they called it a day. Spent most of the 80s watching their spin off kids, New Christs, Screaming Tribesmen, Johhny kannis etc


Dennis Tek was the leader of the band, who had this weird paramilitary thing going on - the Rb symbol, and basically they just drove up and down the east coast of OZ playing gigs through the mid 70s. Apparantly they were the wildest shows.

here is their logo/symbol:



Tek left the band and returned to the US where he completed a medical degree and joined the air force or air force reserve or something. naval fighter pilot maybe.

His nickname Iceman was apparantly appropriated for the Top Gun movies, at least according to that source of all truth Wikipedia.

Some of their lyrics are obscure to the point of complete weirdness, but looking back with an eye for things MC...


Either way they sound fantastic.

I think you will find the indie music scene in Australia, esp melb during the 80s was one of the most influential, and underrated of all time.

But there is something about Radio Birdman that is just weird.

[Dreams End]

My last Strieber post is up. Had anyone heard of his book "Billy" before?

http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/