20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

[JackRiddler]

My hypothesis on the universe:

99% chance we're observing within a highly limited horizon.

How one might interpret what you said .

Now it just needs a feeding tube, a crapper, a recline function, and a squishy part that attaches to and stimulates the genitals. Our lives will be complete.

Oh, shit:

[Hammer of Los]

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Amen, Jack.

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[justdrew]

still waiting for the cheat codes...

[elfismiles]

"Re: 90% of RI Living In Their Own Simulation"
JackRiddler » 26 Jan 2014 02:17

March 25

Media Advisory: Press Conference in Brazil to Announce Discovery in Outer Solar System ESO
The European Southern Observatory says its discovered something at the edge of our solar system that will "raise several unanswered questions and is expected to provoke much debate." That sound you just heard was the gasping of a thousand Nibiru theorists. NASA debunked the theory and revealed Nibiru's mythical background and reassured us all that there was not a gigantic, rogue planet careening towards us back in 2012 when the Nibiru frenzy was at its peak. So what is it ESO has discovered that has them so excited? Maybe they've hit a Truman Show-esque wall? Did they discover proof that answers that fascinating and terrifying question, Is the Universe a simulation? Or did they simply discover a new comet or planet, which is the most likely answer (although we much prefer the simulation theory)? There's a lively discussion thread full of theories and speculation over at ATS concerning ESO's annoucement, and luckily, all our questions will be answered tomorrow.

http://www.Anomalist.com

Is the Universe a Simulation?
FEB. 14, 2014

IN Mikhail Bulgakov’s novel “The Master and Margarita,” the protagonist, a writer, burns a manuscript in a moment of despair, only to find out later from the Devil that “manuscripts don’t burn.” While you might appreciate this romantic sentiment, there is of course no reason to think that it is true. Nikolai Gogol apparently burned the second volume of “Dead Souls,” and it has been lost forever. Likewise, if Bulgakov had burned his manuscript, we would have never known “Master and Margarita.” No other author would have written the same novel.

But there is one area of human endeavor that comes close to exemplifying the maxim “manuscripts don’t burn.” That area is mathematics. If Pythagoras had not lived, or if his work had been destroyed, someone else eventually would have discovered the same Pythagorean theorem. Moreover, this theorem means the same thing to everyone today as it meant 2,500 years ago, and will mean the same thing to everyone a thousand years from now — no matter what advances occur in technology or what new evidence emerges. Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless.

What kinds of things are mathematical entities and theorems, that they are knowable in this way? Do they exist somewhere, a set of immaterial objects in the enchanted gardens of the Platonic world, waiting to be discovered? Or are they mere creations of the human mind?

This question has divided thinkers for centuries. It seems spooky to suggest that mathematical entities actually exist in and of themselves. But if math is only a product of the human imagination, how do we all end up agreeing on exactly the same math? Some might argue that mathematical entities are like chess pieces, elaborate fictions in a game invented by humans. But unlike chess, mathematics is indispensable to scientific theories describing our universe. And yet there are many mathematical concepts — from esoteric numerical systems to infinite-dimensional spaces — that we don’t currently find in the world around us. In what sense do they exist?

Many mathematicians, when pressed, admit to being Platonists. The great logician Kurt Gödel argued that mathematical concepts and ideas “form an objective reality of their own, which we cannot create or change, but only perceive and describe.” But if this is true, how do humans manage to access this hidden reality?

We don’t know. But one fanciful possibility is that we live in a computer simulation based on the laws of mathematics — not in what we commonly take to be the real world. According to this theory, some highly advanced computer programmer of the future has devised this simulation, and we are unknowingly part of it. Thus when we discover a mathematical truth, we are simply discovering aspects of the code that the programmer used.

This may strike you as very unlikely. But the Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom has argued that we are more likely to be in such a simulation than not. If such simulations are possible in theory, he reasons, then eventually humans will create them — presumably many of them. If this is so, in time there will be many more simulated worlds than nonsimulated ones. Statistically speaking, therefore, we are more likely to be living in a simulated world than the real one.

Very clever. But is there any way to empirically test this hypothesis?

Indeed, there may be. In a recent paper, “Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation,” the physicists Silas R. Beane, Zohreh Davoudi and Martin J. Savage outline a possible method for detecting that our world is actually a computer simulation. Physicists have been creating their own computer simulations of the forces of nature for years — on a tiny scale, the size of an atomic nucleus. They use a three-dimensional grid to model a little chunk of the universe; then they run the program to see what happens. This way, they have been able to simulate the motion and collisions of elementary particles.

But these computer simulations, Professor Beane and his colleagues observe, generate slight but distinctive anomalies — certain kinds of asymmetries. Might we be able to detect these same distinctive anomalies in the actual universe, they wondered? In their paper, they suggest that a closer look at cosmic rays, those high-energy particles coming to Earth’s atmosphere from outside the solar system, may reveal similar asymmetries. If so, this would indicate that we might — just might — ourselves be in someone else’s computer simulation.

Are we prepared to take the “red pill,” as Neo did in “The Matrix,” to see the truth behind the illusion — to see “how deep the rabbit hole goes”? Perhaps not yet. The jury is still out on the simulation hypothesis. But even if it proves too far-fetched, the possibility of the Platonic nature of mathematical ideas remains — and may hold the key to understanding our own reality.



Edward Frenkel, a professor of mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of “Love and Math: The Heart of Hidden Reality.”

A version of this op-ed appears in print on February 16, 2014, on page SR12 of the New York edition with the headline: Is the Universe a Simulation?. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/opini ... .html?_r=1

[Lord Balto]

still waiting for the cheat codes...

The cheat code is fairly simple. Decide what will happen, and if it doesn't conflict with something you have already decided will happen, either consciously or unconsciously, it will happen--or, at least, the universe will come as close as it can without destroying the program, which is self-preserving. I suspect, however, that there is a hierarchy of who gets to alter what, based on various as yet to be determined factors.

[zangtang]

would not this be just the bestest place to insert a youtube clip of the aikido master sending eveyone flying?

don't suppose we have any 'astral project at will-ers' to pitch in?

[JackRiddler]

would not this be just the bestest place to insert a youtube clip of the aikido master sending eveyone flying?

Okay, do that.

[elfismiles]

Elon Musk: Chance we are not living in a computer simulation is 'one in billions'
If we aren't stuck in a Matrix-style world, then the world is about to end, the SpaceX and Tesla CEO said
Andrew Griffin
@_andrew_griffin
55 minutes ago (Video)
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 60941.html

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[coffin_dodger]

Elon Musk: Chance we are not living in a computer simulation is 'one in billions'

These new high priests undoubtedly ascribe their blessed ordination to the Machine-God.
That so few mock these idolatry pronouncements is troubling.

[KUAN]

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wonder what would happen if we thew in some simulated ocean acidification, coral bleaching; and, let me seee…

[Harvey]

A few years ago I had a prolonged period wherein I wasn't too sure whether I was alive or dead. I saw *events before they happened, experienced thousands of synchronicities a day, communed with the dead, experienced hours as days or weeks and mainlined a painful connectivity with everyone around me (anyone whom my attention encompassed really) which was simply infectious. I gather that many others have experienced similar things each in their own way, for some it becomes God, for others it becomes multiple overlaid realities without conclusive definition. That Elon Musk thinks it's all a simulation is no surprise, that he is in a position to push his ideas upon many others is a little disturbing. Religions are made of this, and few are helpful at this stage. That we don't understand it all is evident enough. That we think we do is simply human.

Our future is always present, bargaining with us for its place. The past is a dead hand, replete as it is with experience. It's time to break with the past on some level. If only to begin to want different things than we ever have before. Because the future only feels like it belongs to us.

It never did. It belongs to our children and theirs.

*In other words, probabilities.

[backtoiam]

Harvey wrote:

A few years ago I had a prolonged period wherein I wasn't too sure whether I was alive or dead. I saw things before they happened, experienced thousands of synchronicities a day, communed with the dead, experienced hours as days or weeks and mainlined a painful connectivity with everyone around me (anyone whom my attention encompassed really) which was simply infectious. I gather that many others have experienced similar things each in their own way,

Yep. I don't remember how long it actually lasted, the dead or alive part, but tried many things to determine which I was, dead or alive, and all experiments came up inconclusive...That was when I could also see the ether and energy structures, and it looked like every description I later found, pretty much. Among a bunch of other much weird shit too that had to do with my interaction with nature's energetic structures and man made energy also. Changed my life forever.

[Nordic]

I think Elin Musj is just a really smart guy who smokes a lot of good weed and likes to think about things. That the media then spread his musings says more about them than about him.

[identity]

I wonder if Dawkins, Wiseman, et al. are going to chime in on Musk's pronouncement; obviously, if this is merely a simulation, then the programmer(s) may very well have programmed in the possibility of things like telekinesis, telepathy, synchronicities/meaningful coincidences, materializations, and all the other fun stuff (whether for their own entertainment or ours), and there are no longer any valid reasons why any of these things cannot sometimes occur. (Not that there are any valid reasons even if it is not a simulation...)