9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:51 am

Chris Carter started at Disney in 1985.
If you don't know what Disney is by now...I have a copy of a 1939 Disney story book called 'Mickey Never Fails' that was used to prepare America's kids for WWII.
Yes, 1939, just before Hitler invaded Poland but had already mobilized.

So the use of fictionalization to 'foreshadow' events in the public's mind, especially children and other illiterates is atleast 68 years old.

Also, Pan. When you write about garden variety "conspiracy writers," what does that mean? Just hungry creatives milking clippings of news of the weird? Is that really the only possibility? History suggests otherwise.

You dismiss all suggestions of spook intent in writing and huff that I'm "smearing good people" and accuse me of wanting a 'joyless world without beauty.' :roll:

The series title, 'The Lone Gunmen' screams "show biz conspiracy theory for your amusement" so loud it is deafening, extreme telegraphing of framing.
Exactly like Disney's videogame division being called...Propaganda Games.
Disney Interactive has today confirmed a date that gamers will be greeted with those three hallowed word - "I AM TUROK!" - on the Sony PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Xbox 360, in the latest dino-blasting first-person shooter being developed by Propaganda Games.


That's mnemonic inoculation in action, baby!

Obviously, most of the people working on 'The Lone Gunmen' shows would've just been careerists getting paychecks, not 'deciders.' Just like in war.
But there are 'deciders' with ties to other 'deciders' like Disney and the rest of West Coast Langley involved with the show who could have been steered towards a script without their realizing it would go live in real life, just like what happened to the NORAD excercise people on 9/11.

8bitagent was right about 'The Manchurian Candidate' being intentional 'foreshadowing' on that topic in case of exposure. CIA efforts to create assassins were going on several years before the 1959 Richard Condon book which became the movie. And I've written how Condon is CIA creating decoy stories.

Open source academic propapaganda texts (Doob, 1935) describe a process of introducing a topic to a target audience as "sophistication," meaning creating a place in their minds for a subject where previously there was none. First this is done in any manner at all just to start, fiction is perfect and can begin a framing, and then once the audience had considered it then more qualifications on the topic can be introduced. Exactly this method was used to 'foreshadow' global warming.

The definition of inoculation that seventhsonjr provided was a good one and he's right about this being used to discourage belief.

So the probability of something bad happening AGAIN at the WTC could very well have been intentionally foreshadowed by feeding the 'fictional' idea to 'Lone Gunmen' production to both alert the public to the possibility and discourage belief about an inside job.

Of course hitting the WTC again was 'in the air.' But the value of inoculation is immense for the crime of the century if people are going to suspect an inside job.

Especially since there was already web scuttlebutt about:
>inside job of WTC '93
>inside job of CIA cocaine from Nella/Mena airports '94
>inside job of Oklahoma City '95
>inside job of TWA 800 '96
>inside job trial of Martin Luther King case '97
>inside job of Unabomber/Harvard trial '97
...and more.

So with something BIG coming anyday, it would have certainly been logical for an inoculation 'foreshadowing' to be inserted into a 'conspiracy show' series perfect for it...and probably created for just that purpose as some of us think 'The X-Files' was, too.

The public was being prepared for The Big One repeatedly throughout the 1980s ('Wrong is Right') and 1990s ('Independence Day') but a growing internet awareness of multiple inside jobs was a new problem that had to be dispelled as 'paranoid conspiracy theory.'
And it was.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Re: Chris Carter

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:48 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Chris Carter started at Disney in 1985.
If you don't know what Disney is by now...I have a copy of a 1939 Disney story book called 'Mickey Never Fails' that was used to prepare America's kids for WWII.
Yes, 1939, just before Hitler invaded Poland but had already mobilized.

So the use of fictionalization to 'foreshadow' events in the public's mind, especially children and other illiterates is atleast 68 years old.

Also, Pan. When you write about garden variety "conspiracy writers," what does that mean? Just hungry creatives milking clippings of news of the weird? Is that really the only possibility? History suggests otherwise.

You dismiss all suggestions of spook intent in writing and huff that I'm "smearing good people" and accuse me of wanting a 'joyless world without beauty.' :roll:

The series title, 'The Lone Gunmen' screams "show biz conspiracy theory for your amusement" so loud it is deafening, extreme telegraphing of framing.
Exactly like Disney's videogame division being called...Propaganda Games.
Disney Interactive has today confirmed a date that gamers will be greeted with those three hallowed word - "I AM TUROK!" - on the Sony PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Xbox 360, in the latest dino-blasting first-person shooter being developed by Propaganda Games.


That's mnemonic inoculation in action, baby!

Obviously, most of the people working on 'The Lone Gunmen' shows would've just been careerists getting paychecks, not 'deciders.' Just like in war.
But there are 'deciders' with ties to other 'deciders' like Disney and the rest of West Coast Langley involved with the show who could have been steered towards a script without their realizing it would go live in real life, just like what happened to the NORAD excercise people on 9/11.

8bitagent was right about 'The Manchurian Candidate' being intentional 'foreshadowing' on that topic in case of exposure. CIA efforts to create assassins were going on several years before the 1959 Richard Condon book which became the movie. And I've written how Condon is CIA creating decoy stories.

Open source academic propapaganda texts (Doob, 1935) describe a process of introducing a topic to a target audience as "sophistication," meaning creating a place in their minds for a subject where previously there was none. First this is done in any manner at all just to start, fiction is perfect and can begin a framing, and then once the audience had considered it then more qualifications on the topic can be introduced. Exactly this method was used to 'foreshadow' global warming.

The definition of inoculation that seventhsonjr provided was a good one and he's right about this being used to discourage belief.

So the probability of something bad happening AGAIN at the WTC could very well have been intentionally foreshadowed by feeding the 'fictional' idea to 'Lone Gunmen' production to both alert the public to the possibility and discourage belief about an inside job.

Of course hitting the WTC again was 'in the air.' But the value of inoculation is immense for the crime of the century if people are going to suspect an inside job.

Especially since there was already web scuttlebutt about:
>inside job of WTC '93
>inside job of CIA cocaine from Nella/Mena airports '94
>inside job of Oklahoma City '95
>inside job of TWA 800 '96
>inside job trial of Martin Luther King case '97
>inside job of Unabomber/Harvard trial '97
...and more.

So with something BIG coming anyday, it would have certainly been logical for an inoculation 'foreshadowing' to be inserted into a 'conspiracy show' series perfect for it...and probably created for just that purpose as some of us think 'The X-Files' was, too.

The public was being prepared for The Big One repeatedly throughout the 1980s ('Wrong is Right') and 1990s ('Independence Day') but a growing internet awareness of multiple inside jobs was a new problem that had to be dispelled as 'paranoid conspiracy theory.'
And it was.


My God I have more deep respect for your research all the more.
You even referenced TWA 800(whose limited hangout is a "stinger missile from al Qaeda)

Indeed, it seems the meme of WTC being destroyed has been around forrrever. From posters of Godzilla destroying it, King Kong climbing it, Wrong Made Right, and on and on and on. Heck theres a Pakistani airlines poster from 1978 of a jumbo jet about to smack into the WTC.

All these things, the inside job of WTC/OKC, CIA Crack story explosion in 96, Clinton conspiracy theories, post BCCI and Iran Contra, etc all was pushing people to big "what ifs"...

Heck, in the summer of 2001 William Cooper said a big terror attack was coming, and itd be blamed on Osama. Alex Jones made a similar prediction right before 9/11, citing WTC and OKC.
People could *just feel it*

And the first thing the elite did was push the "Jews did it" meme to circumvent any possible questioning for thereafter, rendering it as "kooky" and "anti semetic" to ask questions(yet I guess bombing Afghanistan and Iraq isnt racist)

What is your take on OK governor Keating's brother writing a book called "Final Jihad" in 1991 that talked about Muslim extremists plotting to blow up the WTC, then hiring a white supremist named Tom Mcvey to blow up a building in OKC, and then the downing of an American jumbo jet by stinger, and then a hijacking of planes?

Talk about foreshadowing! Hardly anyone talks about this.
It totally follows the WTC 1993-OKC-TWA 800-9/11 story to a tee.

Man, Disney...I tell ya. So much deep seeded messages without getting into the mind control-SRA allegations

I think I have to lean toward your thesis...especially in light of how
WTC 1993, OKC 1995 and 9/11 2001 are all connected by CIA provocatuer agent Melvin Lattimore and all were shown to be "inside jobs" at some level

heh...

EVERYWHERE is the National Treasure all seeing eye Walt Disney propaganda...

very fitting, this is
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Postby professorpan » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:32 pm

Omigod, Disney named something "propaganda"? Wow, that sure is an amazing admission of their CIA-orchestrated propagandizing! You are incredibly perceptive, Hugh -- good catch.

But there are 'deciders' with ties to other 'deciders' like Disney and the rest of West Coast Langley involved with the show who could have been steered towards a script without their realizing it would go live in real life, just like what happened to the NORAD excercise people on 9/11.


Wow, I am sure it happened exactly as you've stated. There is abundant evidence to back you up.

So the probability of something bad happening AGAIN at the WTC could very well have been intentionally foreshadowed by feeding the 'fictional' idea to 'Lone Gunmen' production to both alert the public to the possibility and discourage belief about an inside job.


Yes, you are right -- so very right.

My God, I have more deep respect for your research all the more.
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Postby FourthBase » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:39 pm

Heck, in the summer of 2001 William Cooper said a big terror attack was coming, and itd be blamed on Osama. Alex Jones made a similar prediction right before 9/11, citing WTC and OKC.
People could *just feel it*


Maybe those two felt it, or maybe those two were reverse-laundering a meme, just like (IMO) the X-Files.
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Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:05 pm

I shall ignore the gratuitous but oh-so-predictable Hugh-baiting which threatens to derail this thread.

Thank you for the thread guys, a very informative read.

An especial thanks goes to Seventhsonjr and Hugh Manatee Wins for their contributions - spot on, I would say. Oh, and its great to see Seventhsonjr, one of my favourite ever posters, active again.

It has certainly clarified in my own mind that the overwhelming likelihood is that somehow this plot idea was "inserted" by those with a connection to the authorship of the events of 911, as inoculation.
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William Cooper, well poisoner poisoned.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:14 pm

FourthBase wrote:
Heck, in the summer of 2001 William Cooper said a big terror attack was coming, and itd be blamed on Osama. Alex Jones made a similar prediction right before 9/11, citing WTC and OKC.
People could *just feel it*


Maybe those two felt it, or maybe those two were reverse-laundering a meme, just like (IMO) the X-Files.


William Cooper was a long-time disinformationist and thus perfect for inoculation duties...up to a point of diminishing returns.

He stole the book title shopped around by eventually- murdered investigator, Danny Casalaro, 'Behold a Pale Horse,' and mixed up a little truth with a lot of woo.

But assets who become liabilities are mulched into fertilizer feeding their cover stories.

Cooper's death on November 5, 2001 mirrors the death of the man whose title he stole, a good way to reinforce his most famous mirror job, 'Behold a Pale Horse'... like the men who carry the treasure chest being killed and buried with it by the lead pirate.
This same mirror disposal technique has been used before. See 'Rose Cheramie and JFK."

And these models of belief controlled by duplicates are at play in 'The Lone Gunmen.'
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Postby orz » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:34 pm

I shall ignore the gratuitous but oh-so-predictable Hugh-baiting which threatens to derail this thread.

And I shall ignore the gratuitous but oh-so-predictable Hugh which threatens to derail this thread.
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I just have to kick this thread one more time

Postby Seventhsonjr » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:50 am

Hammer of Los wrote:I shall ignore the gratuitous but oh-so-predictable Hugh-baiting which threatens to derail this thread.

Thank you for the thread guys, a very informative read.

An especial thanks goes to Seventhsonjr and Hugh Manatee Wins for their contributions - spot on, I would say. Oh, and its great to see Seventhsonjr, one of my favourite ever posters, active again.

It has certainly clarified in my own mind that the overwhelming likelihood is that somehow this plot idea was "inserted" by those with a connection to the authorship of the events of 911, as inoculation.



I just have to kick this thread one more time...

because it is one of my most favoritist threads ever...

because when I rented the episode from netflix it blew my mind---

I showed it to my teenage kids and anyone else I could and they all said Bush was behind 9-11 and damn how we were lied to.

and I cannot deny that the compliment above is one of my best Christmas presents ever (I am getting beaten to a pulp, btw , at PSU and am even afraid to mention that here)

and because I do believe, as the seventh son of an antiNazi member of the underground during the Shoah in Europe, I know a wee bit about the way fascist blackops/psyops work - and this is an important thread.

Merry Christmas and THANKS!

Salaam/Shalom and Peace Out!!!

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Postby FourthBase » Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:06 am

Merry Christmas/Solstice/whatever 7th!
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Thanks and same to you!

Postby Seventhsonjr » Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:12 am

FourthBase wrote:Merry Christmas/Solstice/whatever 7th!



I had a great solstice celebration (which continues today and on as the days grow longer).

So same to you and all here!

May 2008 bring peace to ALL!
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Postby professorpan » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:20 am

Merry Christmas and THANKS!

Salaam/Shalom and Peace Out!!!


Now that's a threadjacking I can appreciate.

Yes, Happywhateveryoucelebrate.

Peace!

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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:29 pm

orz wrote:
Within the context of the "Lone Gunmen" episode, very rarely (or should I say, at all?) do any 9/11 conspiracy videos talk about the planes being taken over by remote control. Certainly more plausible than holographic planes

Dunno about videos, but it is one theory. Fairly popular as on paper it sounds feasible (planes can be made to fly remotely of course, and it's easier to believe conspirators would do it this way than rely on persuading someone to execute a suicide mission).... I believed it myself for a while but I read a VERY thorough debunking of it by someone involved in the aviation industry (pilot, or engineer, i forget) This made me rethink how feasible it would be to secretly install the required hardware without the crew, mechanics, passangers etc not noticing the heavy modifications required. I just don't see it being a possibility any more without a fantastical number of people having to be 'in on it', or getting into the equally problematic world of plane-swapping theories etc.

There is some talk out there that the planes would have had remote control built in, as in the lone gunmen pilot, but this turns out to be simply not the case. I think this idea is mostly just a misunderstanding of the technical terms involved, the way autopilots actually work, specifics of what plane it was, etc.


What a load of pure crap! Every 757/767 has a flight management computer system (FMCS). You just enter the waypoints and the FMCS does the rest. Not a single bit of extra equipment needs to be installed in order to crash a 757/767 into a skyscraper.
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Postby FourthBase » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:42 pm

Hence, why the hijackers-as-willing-patsies purchased GPS devices? That might have been alibi insurance in case any remote-control evidence materialized. "The hijackers remote-controlled the planes themselves". There's been no practical explanation for their GPS devices, right? I mean, they couldn't have entered the coordinates by hand in the cockpit after hijacking the plane, right? So if the hijackers didn't GPS-program the plane, and if pre-installing remote control equipment in the appropriate planes is an unwieldy proposition...then that leaves remote control via remote computer hacking, right?
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I have to agree with Stickdog

Postby Seventhsonjr » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:53 pm

stickdog99 wrote:
orz wrote:
Within the context of the "Lone Gunmen" episode, very rarely (or should I say, at all?) do any 9/11 conspiracy videos talk about the planes being taken over by remote control. Certainly more plausible than holographic planes

Dunno about videos, but it is one theory. Fairly popular as on paper it sounds feasible (planes can be made to fly remotely of course, and it's easier to believe conspirators would do it this way than rely on persuading someone to execute a suicide mission).... I believed it myself for a while but I read a VERY thorough debunking of it by someone involved in the aviation industry (pilot, or engineer, i forget) This made me rethink how feasible it would be to secretly install the required hardware without the crew, mechanics, passangers etc not noticing the heavy modifications required. I just don't see it being a possibility any more without a fantastical number of people having to be 'in on it', or getting into the equally problematic world of plane-swapping theories etc.

There is some talk out there that the planes would have had remote control built in, as in the lone gunmen pilot, but this turns out to be simply not the case. I think this idea is mostly just a misunderstanding of the technical terms involved, the way autopilots actually work, specifics of what plane it was, etc.


What a load of pure crap! Every 757/767 has a flight management computer system (FMCS). You just enter the waypoints and the FMCSr does the rest. Not a single bit of extra equipment needs to be installed in order to crash a 757/767 into a skyscraper.



My understanding is that all these planes gave such systems that can be remotely handled. And if some spook needed to install anything "special" or a way to hack the sytem without it being known, it seems that simply flashing an NSA card while the plane was being serviced would keep inquiring minds from investigating further.

This scenario has made the most sense to me from the bery beginning.

Remember too that James Hatfield's July 2001 article foreseeing 9-11 was based on intlligence sources qwho said the attack would by an aerial attack done by remote control (this is why I believe Hatfield was sucided two weeks later - he would NEVER have shut up about 9-11 and this story --- he could NAME his sources for the story --- and he was high enough profile from the Fortunate Son fiasco tjat he would at the very least be able to get some of the right people to hear the story, whether on the net or in the media. (BTW, I STILL do not trust the SOFTSKULL press editor - the one who published Fortunate Son after ST Martin's Press killed the book - who so quickly deemed the death a suicide and told us to forget about it...)

These are highly skilled professional liars all around - and they have the military/technical/intel resources to do all this shit.

I worry mightily now. during this election season, about another attack to secure a Giuliani or Thompson (the top BFEE agents, along with Romney) in 2008.

Hold onto your hats. They CANNOT let these cats out of the bag. But maybe that is why Hillary is their "girl". Compromised and power hungry.
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Postby Sweet Tooth » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:43 pm

FourthBase wrote:I would describe the Simpsons, and especially Family Guy and American Dad, as nihilistic more than anti-government.


The Simpsons... nihilistic? Do explain (unless you have already, and I haven't reached that post yet).

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