Who's Afraid of John Edwards?

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Postby sunny » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:26 pm

Tweety Matthews pointing out Edwards, the loser, didn't congratulate the winner.

Currently:

Senator Barack Obama : 37.50%
Senator John Edwards : 29.89%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 29.42%
Precincts Reporting: 1713 of 1781
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:47 pm

I KNEW Hillary wasn't doing as well as her campaign hoped because I saw certain blogs where Hillary lovers have been hanging out, like The Left Coaster, have gotten very shrill about any threat they perceived against their honey. So, it was on and on and on this last week about how Iowa doesn't deserve to hold its traditional place in the lineup. (Never mind that Iowa didn't make itself important, the candidates and the media did that after Jimmy Carter's win here). Anything and everything, they were screeching about how wrong it was. That told me they knew something we didn't know.

But I also knew that Obama was surging here locally, as I'd been out door-knocking for Edwards, and the teacher community was coalescing behind him lately. I was just glad that Edwards did as well as he did. Whew!
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Postby sunny » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:55 pm

Tom Brokaw: Obama has momentum, Clinton has a big hurdle to overcome. No mention of the fact that Edwards beat the person who was for months and months the anointed frontrunner. No mention of Edwards at all.

Bill Clinton did not win Iowa or New Hampshire in '92. It ain't over till it's over, and Hillary is no Bill Clinton.
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Postby Jeff » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:07 am

I think Edwards is the only Democratic contender who could win a general election against the Republican '08 nominee. But I think most Democrats will only realize that in hindsight.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:25 am

Sorry, sunny, I see now that you had already posted the Iowa caucus link.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:31 am

Oh, yes, I forgot. At the end there was a time to make proposals for a plank, and NOBODY was making a proposal, absolutely the opposite from the last time I had caucused, when there were many proposals. People were leaving, so guess who proposed the ONLY proposal? Yep, me. To do with illegal immigration. Proposed that the focus be on employers, not the "illegal immigrants", and that employers be given the tools needed. It passed.
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Postby sunny » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:43 am

OK, this is strange. Here are some facts just reported on MSNBC. See if you think there is something hinky here.

Independants turned out in droves.

They went overwhelmingly for Obama.

Edwards came in third among union members and those in the low income bracket.

???Does that make sense?

Chig, can a Republican show up and change on the spot to independant?

If so, I'd like some statistics on the percentage of "independants" who claimed to be poor or union members.

Yes, I'm being paranoid, but the repubs and the media sure want Obama to be the nominee, so I'm justified.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:53 am

Ok, not sure if If I can answer your question accurately, sunny. But, yes, not only indies, but also Repuglicans can sign up as Dems AT THE CAUCUS SITE, just by registering as a dem on site tonight. They can then change back to their original inclination the following day at the courthouse. I've been told by one who knows that this happened before, by Repuglies who voted for Kerry in the 04 selection, because they believed Kerry to be the weaker candidate against Bush.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:55 am

Also, I have to honestly report that there were many young caucus participants for Obama, not for Hillary or Edwards.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:57 am

Registered Democrats can also change parties at the caucus site and caucus with Republicans, BTW. I ran into a couple Dems who switched in order to caucus for Ron Paul.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:00 am

On another note, my own anecdotal evidence shows the turnout for the caucus was tremendous compared to years past. The precinct where I'm living had 40 or so people caucusing as Democrats in 2004 and 200-300 people tonight. It was a similar situation with Republicans.
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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:24 am

The youth vote went strongly to Obama, the senior citizen vote went to Clinton, and the middle aged vote went to Edwards.

Meanwhile, corporate media continues to do anything and everything they can to derail any candidate who uses any populist, anti-establishment rhetoric.
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Postby sunny » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:24 am

chiggerbit:
Repuglicans can sign up as Dems AT THE CAUCUS SITE,


Ah, so. It makes no sense whatsoever to allow those rules in states that vote early.

Just wait, if Kumbaya Obama wins the nom and reaches across that red/blue divide in the name of bipartisanship, he'll draw back a bloody stump. The repuglies are licking their chops.

BTW, it would help Edwards if he revved up the snark.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:42 am

Ok, here's some REALLY paranoid speculaion..did you hear that? Paranoid? Ok, Edwards had been doing really well here in Iowa. But.....the now-ex Iowa governor Vilsack came out for Hillary, right after starting the race too early himself as a "candidate", then suddenly dropping out, right? (To force those with small budgets to spend too early?) Then Iowa's only Dem senator Harkin starts to push Obama big-time. Meanwhile the said Harkin talks the talk, but does not walk the walk on Dem/Iraq war/ etc. issues when it comes down to actual votes. Did he possibly divide the vote against Hillary between Edwards and Obama, so that Edwards would lose? Sorry, gotta ask myself this, out loud.
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Postby professorpan » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:36 am

Published on Thursday, January 3, 2008 by CommonDreams.org

Edwards Reconsidered

by Norman Solomon

There have been good reasons not to support John Edwards for president. For years, his foreign-policy outlook has been a hodgepodge of insights and dangerous conventional wisdom; his health-care prescriptions have not taken the leap to single payer; and all told, from a progressive standpoint, his positions have been inferior to those of Dennis Kucinich.

But Edwards was the most improved presidential candidate of 2007. He sharpened his attacks on corporate power and honed his calls for economic justice. He laid down a clear position against nuclear power. He explicitly challenged the power of the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical giants.

And he improved his position on Iraq to the point that, in an interview with the New York Times a couple of days ago, he said: “The continued occupation of Iraq undermines everything America has to do to reestablish ourselves as a country that should be followed, that should be a leader.” Later in the interview, Edwards added: “I would plan to have all combat troops out of Iraq at the end of nine to ten months, certainly within the first year.”

Now, apparently, Edwards is one of three people with a chance to become the Democratic presidential nominee this year. If so, he would be the most progressive Democrat to top the national ticket in more than half a century.

The main causes of John Edwards’ biggest problems with the media establishment have been tied in with his firm stands for economic justice instead of corporate power.

Weeks ago, when the Gannett-chain-owned Des Moines Register opted to endorse Hillary Clinton this time around, the newspaper’s editorial threw down the corporate gauntlet: “Edwards was our pick for the 2004 nomination. But this is a different race, with different candidates. We too seldom saw the positive, optimistic campaign we found appealing in 2004. His harsh anti-corporate rhetoric would make it difficult to work with the business community to forge change.”

Many in big media have soured on Edwards and his “harsh anti-corporate rhetoric.” As a result, we’re now in the midst of a classic conflict between corporate media sensibilities and grassroots left-leaning populism.

On Wednesday, Edwards launched a TV ad in New Hampshire with him saying at a rally: “Corporate greed has infiltrated everything that’s happening in this democracy. It’s time for us to say, ‘We’re not going to let our children’s future be stolen by these people.’ I have never taken a dime from a Washington lobbyist or a special interest PAC and I’m proud of that.”

But, when it comes to policy positions, he’s still no Dennis Kucinich. And that’s why, as 2007 neared its end, I planned to vote for Kucinich when punching my primary ballot.

Reasons for a Kucinich vote remain. The caucuses and primaries are a time to make a clear statement about what we believe in — and to signal a choice for the best available candidate. Ironically, history may show that the person who did the most to undermine such reasoning for a Dennis Kucinich vote at the start of 2008 was… Dennis Kucinich.

In a written statement released on Jan. 1, he said: “I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucuses locations where my support doesn’t reach the necessary [15 percent] threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”

This statement doesn’t seem to respect the intelligence of those of us who have planned to vote for Dennis Kucinich.

It’s hard to think of a single major issue — including “the war,” “health care” and “trade” — for which Obama has a more progressive position than Edwards. But there are many issues, including those three, for which Edwards has a decidedly more progressive position than Obama.

But the most disturbing part of Dennis’ statement was this: “Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.” This doesn’t seem like a reasoned argument for Obama. It seems like an exercise in smoke-blowing.

I write these words unhappily. I was a strong advocate for Kucinich during the race for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination. Two weeks ago, I spoke at an event for his campaign in Northern California. I believe there is no one in Congress today with a more brilliant analysis of key problems facing humankind or a more solid progressive political program for how to overcome them.

As of the first of this year, Dennis has urged Iowa caucusers to do exactly what he spent the last year telling us not to do — skip over a candidate with more progressive politics in order to support a candidate with less progressive politics.

The best argument for voting for Dennis Kucinich in caucuses and primaries has been what he aptly describes as his “singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade.” But his support for Obama over Edwards indicates that he’s willing to allow some opaque and illogical priorities to trump maximizing the momentum of our common progressive agendas.

Presidential candidates have to be considered in the context of the current historical crossroads. No matter how much we admire or revere an individual, there’s too much at stake to pursue faith-based politics at the expense of reality-based politics. There’s no reason to support Obama over Edwards on Kucinich’s say-so. And now, I can’t think of reasons good enough to support Kucinich rather than Edwards in the weeks ahead.

Norman Solomon’s latest book is “Made Love, Got War: Close Encounters with America’s Warfare State.” For more information, go to: www.normansolomon.com
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