Delmart Vreeland sentenced to 336 yrs for child sex crimes

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I think we can let go of 'phrenology' as a way to analyze personality, ok?

The Nazis loved using phrenology to 'prove' the inferiority of 'races.'

[Avalon]

I was at a science museum this week where one of the exhibits on the human body had a camera which would take a picture of your face and then instantly show the original flanked by the two mirrored sides.

I had two very different faces, my daughter did, and so did each of the dozen little kids we saw try it.

Don't get all mystical about it. We just don't have perfectly symmetrical faces.

[nomo]

Well...

The Dutch author Harry Mulisch wrote a book about the Eichmann trial, in which he also does an analysis of Eichmann's face using this technique, illustrated here on the English cover:



Synchronicity, I'm sure.

[Penguin]

Perfect symmetry in a face is both unnatural and unnerving. People find slight asymmetry charming, and all living humans have slightly asymmetric faces and bodies. F.ex. my left foot is bigger than the right etc. I also have one mutant finger :p

Also what Hugh said.

[marmot]

I don't have any comments of real worth. But I feel since I spent twenty minutes of my life reading LNL related back and forths that I'm afforded a few words. Here's my thoughts: LNL is troooolly a stooopid pooop-head. And I say we vote him off the island; or if that's not in the island constitution, I say we shave his head, paint it like a soccer ball, bury him up to his neck in beach sand, and leave him there for a passerby.

Shoulda just left it at the first sentence then. FWIW, this thread has been very entertaining. TLNL is spot on in his analysis of the "truth" movement and I love how he demonstrates that by luring pretty much all you into his trap. I mean, for real, here you are asking for the guy to be banned? How much more petty can you get?

nomo, tongue-in-cheek dooood! i'm not seriously suggesting we ban him, or bury him neck deep in sand. regardless of the entertainment factor of this thread, TLNL is carelessly broad-brushing CTers in a way that offends many of us who aren't necessarily part of some so-called Truth Movement, but are nevertheless working to expose the truths and lies of 9/11. my little bit of humor was designed to help curb what appears to be flaming and trollish behavior on TLNL's part.

No matter what happens, CTs just dismiss all evidence they don't like. It's called cherry-picking.

["troofer" is a term I use] for stupid people with poor reasoning whom believe 'the USG is lying about 9/11'.

[TheDuke]

I was at a science museum this week where one of the exhibits on the human body had a camera which would take a picture of your face and then instantly show the original flanked by the two mirrored sides.

I had two very different faces, my daughter did, and so did each of the dozen little kids we saw try it.

Don't get all mystical about it. We just don't have perfectly symmetrical faces.

I have always found you suspect

[brainpanhandler]

Fer christ's sake, I regret having ever mentioned the two faced thing. sigh.
It's not that it's not interesting...

I'd never even heard of Vreeland until Jeff started this thread. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to spend very much more time stumbling around this hall of mirrors, but I am still curious about this note. It is conceivable that in fact the note and the whole Vreeland saga is designed to use up bandwidth, discredit 911 whistleblowers and generally create confusion and frankly exactly what I am feeling right now which is resignation; resignation that I'll never understand what the hell Vreeland is all about.

Obviously, to go a googling in search of the bits of details in Vreeland's note is somewhat analogous to analyzing pixel by pixel endless youtube videos in search of the evidence of CD and so I would be a fool to do so...

Sigh. So I'm a fool. I've been called worse things. At the end of the day though, brainstorming, speculation, wild speculation, squinting one's eyes in the hope that the dots will coalesce into some sort of recognizable picture will not result in any permanent brain damage.

I come to RI at least in part, perhaps largely, because the collective braintrust here successfully helps me focus at least a bit more sensibly and selectively on what is useful to look at. To that end...

In November 2001, Mike Ruppert started to receive e-mails about a case in Toronto concerning a man who was claiming to be an officer in what was traditionally called the Office of Naval Intelligence and who had forewarned of the attacks of 9/11. Ruppert had been sent a copy of the October 23 Toronto Star story, by a reporter named Nick Pron, that described the basics of the case. The man, Delmart "Mike" Vreeland, had been held in jail since December of 2000 and was fighting extradition to Michigan on charges of credit card fraud. According to Pron's story, Vreeland had written a sealed warning of the attacks a month before 9/11 and handed it to his jailers. The note had been opened on September 14. {17}

{17} Nick Pron, "Did this man predict September 11th?", Toronto Star, October 23, 2001.

Although the Vreeland story and the handling of it by Mike Ruppert has been generally discredited by many, certain things about this case need to be emphasized. First, the CIA is for serious people, whereas Naval Intelligence, in general, harbors the heavily mind controlled assassins, like e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald, George Griggs (trained assassin and husband of Kay Griggs who did an extensive interview on her husbands conducts and Naval Intelligence). If Vreeland was of Naval Intelligence his weird behavior is understandable and has been commonly observed. Next it sure is possible that Vreeland's behavior of playing the 911 whistleblower was _ALSO_ part of a Naval Intelligence mind control project, where his function would be to absolutely discredit all the other 911 whistleblowers stepping forward including himself.

In doing so, Vreeland's story would be a limited hangout, where his notes should be confusing. At least its contents should be the start of a endless discussion of details, where the real important facts are hopefully overlooked. The media coverage of Litvinenko's death and its Polonium trail all over Europe is a very good example of such a campaign. However Vreeland's notes do contain words and short sentences which, still today, Tue Jan 2, 2007, without a shatter of doubt are directly connected to the 911 massacre. The scripted style of Vreeland's notes suggest that Naval Intelligence obviously was hoping a media campaign would start where countless conspiracy acrobats would launch ever more daring theories.

As times passes, a lot of crap written about 911, inspired by Vreeland's notes, has today become defunct. However one thing has started to shine up, and that is the mentioning of the Oligarch connection to 911.

Mike Ruppert's theory that "Peak Oil" was the reason for the 911 attack, like his treatment of the Vreeland notes, has been frequently discarded. Ruppert borrowed the theory from former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, who wrote this down inside the book "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives" [2].

Today we see that it's not lack of Oil which creates the Peak Oil crisis, but actually the other way around : The hunt for total control and possible ownership of several key Oil and Gas Reserves all around the world (most prominent Iraq and Russia) in order to create shortage and increased pricing, in effect creating and simulating a effect which can also be observed during a 'Peak Oil' crisis. Ruppert was on the right track but obviously was put on the wrong foot twice when writing all the gathered evidence up inside his book [1].

But as always with limited hangouts : They always contain _more_ truth as is already known in confirmed stories, so never ever dismiss a limited hangout story before analyzing it in full detail.

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:06:09 +0100 (CET)
From: "Robert M. Stockmann"
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Subject: Vreeland's notes on Dr. HAIDER
Message-ID:

Hi,

On Dec 15, Heneghan en Bloom. report that a couple of days ago Prince
Turki Al Faisal, Saudi Ambassador to the US, has left the USA.

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webc ... HAIDER.mp3
http://crashrecovery.org/fischer/CLOAK_TOM_HAIDER.mp3
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/vree ... ldcard.htm

Why? Turki knew to much. Turki Al Faisal knew about 911 in _advance_.

It turns out that recently 30 US-French agents were arrested on
fabricated charges (training of "fresh" Al Qaeda insurgents) in Egypt,
where in reality the same 30 US-French agents were hot on the trail of
a guy called Dr. HAIDER.

[1] p.191 mentions this :

"On other entry stood out, but there was little I could do with it
at the moment. It was significant because it was the second place
where "World Trade Center" has been written. The entry read
"world trade center/in jail (Dr. Haider)?"

Then next the following is mentioned by a woman called Greta Knutzen
[1] p.195 :

"Vreeland requested that his guards seal the note and register it
in his personal effects, which they did. The fact that the note was
written and sealed a month prior to the violent attacks of
September 11 has not been disputed. Another name on the note was
"Dr. Haider," followed by the question, "Whats his contacts." [sic]

It may well be a coincidence, but, a man called Abu Doha, using the
alias Dr. Haider, was arrested in London in early 2001. The sworn
affidavit of an FBI special agent dated July 2 indicates that Doha
was suspected of conspiring to bomb various US targets, including
airports. Doha was allegedly a leader of an Algerian terrorist
cell operating from Afghanistan, associated with Osama bin Laden's
terrorist network, Al Qaeda. Coincidence or not, it certainly begs
the question of how a jailed man with limited access to computers
could know such an obscure detail. {20}"

Al Faisal absolutely knew between Vreeland and the above related issues,
with Dr. HAIDER aka. Abu Doha as the main brain and architect behind
911. At least this HAIDER type was the one who briefed Vreeland and
resulted in *WildCard* Vreeland writing up and sealing his notes in
Toronto prison.

A lot of info is inside these notes...which are in fact notes
describing a world coup as we will find out. 911 is just the
beginning.....

The Vreeland notes are extensively analyzed and discussed inside [1]
chapter 11 "Vreeland I" and chapter 17 "Vreeland II: Silencing Me".
In particular chapter 11 inside [1], page 191 :

" Once I looked at the note I saw that indeed it mentioned Osama Bin
Laden, The World Trade Center, and the Pentagon. It also mentioned
other things that had been prominently in the news right after the
attacks: Sears Towers, water supplies, the White House, The Navy
Pear, and several Canadian targets.
Two chilling sentences appeared in the top half: "They will paint
me crazy and call me a liar"; and "let one happen -- stop the
rest!!!" The last phrase was the most important item on the note.
It directly implied that US intelligence services had achieved
complete penetration of al Qaeda cells involved in the attacks.
This was something I had suspected.
The lower half of the note was filled with a variety of names that
had little immediate significance. I did recognize the name "ulista
petrovka" as being a street or place in downtown Moscow not far
from Red Square. Upon returning to L.A., I checked a few names to
see what I could find quickly. One in particular was Chalva
Tchigirinsky, (Vreeland has misspelled it) who was connected
somehow with money. It did not take long for me to confirm that
Tchigirinsky was a Russian oil executive who had business
relationships with BP and Gazprom, the company that had been trying
to build the trans-Afghan gas pipeline from Turkmenistan.
Tchigirinsky's interests stretched into Central Asia and the
Caspian. He was also president of the Moscow Oil Company.
Later on a talented researcher Nico Haupt was to forwward me a
detailed background on Tchigirinsky, which elaborated further on
his oil, real estate and business ventures, including a deal signed
in early 2002 with Halliburton. Tchigirinsky was an oligarch."

So here we have Russian Oligarch's entering the plot. About Tchigirinsky
we can find more info: http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Oil.shtml

" ....
Very important is the history of russia since 1996 or better the
story of Chalva Tchigirinksi, who is one of the directors of Sibir
Energy plc, which has its headquarter in Moscow. (
sibirenergy.com/corporate/directory/) Mr. Tchigirinski is the
representative of the largest shareholder in Sibir. In this
capacity he is a Director of Yugraneft, a Director of both Evikhon
and Salym Petroleum Development NV. He is President of both Moscow
Oil Company and Central Fuel Company (which controls the Moscow
refinery) neither of which are in competition with Sibir. His
interests in the sector include a key role in British Petroleum's
impressive fuel retail network in Moscow. Sibir Energy is a UK
independent oil and gas production company that produces about 3
million barrels of oil annually and has development plans for
oilfields with reserves of almost a billion barrels of oil. Sibir
Energy plc was formed in 1996 by its parent, Pentex Energy plc, a
UK independent oil and gas company. Founded in 1996 with the
specific aim of acquiring substantial and inexpensive reserves of
Russian oil in the ground, Sibir had amassed 2.2 billion barrels of
recoverable oil by the beginning of 2001. Among the directors of
Sibir are Tchigirinskis brother Alexander, Mr. Alexander Betsky
(three years of accounting and audit experience with Ernst &
Young), Urs J. Haener, Non-Executive Director (and former President
and CEO of Credit Suisse-Moscow), Henry O. Cameron, William L. S.
Guinness and a few others. Sibirs auditor is Ernst & Young. In
December 2001, a few weeks after the opening of a new pipeline in
Uzbekistan, Sibir tried to to merge with the Central Fuel Company
that owns a refinery and a big retail network in Moscow region.
They announced, that they had acquired a further 20 per cent stake
in Yugraneft from Gazprom. Gazprom later had major problems.

On March 06, 2002 the Energy News Portal Gas+Oil wrote in their
issue, that Gazprom became the "russian ENRON":

"...As financial scandals go, this one has everything. A Big Five
accounting firm accused of overlooking wildly improper deals in its
probes of a client's books. A client that's one of the country's
biggest energy firms, and yet is now a symbol for the evils of
crony capitalism. The amounts involved? Billions and billions.
There's more: Leaked documents, infuriated shareholders, threatened
lawsuits. Even the President of the country is angry...:"
(Source: http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnr21050.htm )

Auditor of Gazprom was US-company PricewaterhouseCoopers, the
world's largest accounting firm, who signed a new CEO, Samuel A.
DiPiazza, on January 1st 2002. DiPiazza is contributor of the Beta
Alpha Psi Society and in connections with Ernst + Young and
ArthurAndersen.
(Source: http://www2.uic.edu/stud_orgs/prof/bap/links.html )"

So basicly under the "rulership" of G.W. Bush we have had Enron blown
up, where in Russia under the "rulership" of Vladimir Putin we have had
Gazprom blown up. Understand correctly that Enron and Gazprom are in
essence exactly the same businesses: the transportation and delivery
of Gas. Natural Gas in the ground needs very few processing to be used
in houses, where Oil crude needs massive processing inside refineries.

That leaves us the last common used asset, which is also mentioned
inside the Vreeland Notes : Water supplies. A possible attack on
Water Supplies is mentioned. On the bottom right its mentioned :

"2007" "2009"
"<unreadable to me> ?"
"brown recluse"
"Water How?".

On http://www.sanderhicks.com/DVsupp1.htm "brown recluse" is
interpreted as the venomous spider where its venom then is inserted
into the water supply, but that is bogus. Vreeland most probably heard
the World Coup plotters talk about "brown recluse" and never figured
what that is all about.

My interpretation of "BROWN RECLUSE" is that once Bush & Co. have
successfully enlarged their powergrip on the USA, which typically
happens after the Midterm election of 2006, in January 2007, or the
Presidential elections in 2008, which installs a new president and
power in 2009, they will induce a nationwide RECLUSE by BROWNSHIRTS, to
anyone who dares to speak up about 911 and related matters.

As to how one plants a terrorist attack on water supplies, my Chemist
teacher from highschool knew of a far more efficient method as spider's
venom : He said: You typically insert Plutonium, or Polonium into the
central watersupply and the next day no-one will be even able to read
the newspapers, let alone they can still print em.

Now where do they get the "minerals" to "enhance" the water supply?
Typically in a area in Russia called Tersinsky Massif (as i think thats
what Vreeland wrote down) :

http://www.excaliburmineral.com/mink-n.htm :

MERTIEITE I Sredniy Tersinsky Massif, Siberia, Russia

http://www.webmineral.com/data/Mertieite-I.shtml :

Chemical Formula: Pd11(Sb,As)4
Composition: Molecular Weight = 1,474.99 gm
Antimony 14.03 % Sb
Arsenic 6.60 % As
Palladium 79.36 % Pd
______
100.00 %

Empirical Formula: Pd11Sb1.7As1.3

Environment: In placer concentrates.
IMA Status: Approved IMA 1973
Locality: Goodnews Bay, Alaska, USA. Link to MinDat.org Location Data.
Name Origin: Named for John B. Mertie (1888-1980),
geologist, U.S. Geological Survey.

Best Regards,

Robert
--
Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net

Link:

http://crashrecovery.org/fischer/

[Penguin]

Yeah. ^^ .

[Jeff]

From last October:

A man with an international following has been sentenced to 336 years to life in prison after he was convicted of luring two boys into performing sex acts and making child pornography.

Delmart Edward Vreeland, 42, of the Cottonwood subdivision in Douglas County, was convicted in 2006 of 13 felony charges, including inducement of child prostitution, sexual assault, sexual exploitation of children, and distribution of cocaine. Earlier this year, he was convicted of six habitual criminal counts.

Vreeland was arrested in October 2004 for numerous charges including child prostitution. Witnesses reported that Vreeland provided drugs and alcohol to two teenage boys, and then induced them to perform sex acts and make child pornography for the promise of thousands of dollars and a drum set.

The renewed attention to Franklin has me giving renewed attention to this. 336 years, and the only person who served time over Franklin's abuse of children was Alisha Owen.

Vreeland's conviction and sentencing provoked two responses across the boards: Er, maybe he was set up and Haha the pervert fooled you Troofers! But, I dunno. To me, he couldn't have done or said anything more than this to establish his spooky and dark bona fides.

Vreeland and his supporters claim that there are falsifications in the Navy's file on him. Perhaps anticipating this, on August 21, 2001, after his note was sealed and in the hands of his jailers, Vreeland called the U.S. Navy office of Personnel Service Detachment in Norfolk, Virginia. He spoke with Petty Officer Terry Gilford. Through a 3-way connection with his attorneys, he was able to make an audio recording and transcript of this conversation. This tape has been copied and submitted to court as an exhibit.

The Petty Officer cheerfully helped Vreeland confirm that the records did show him joining the Navy in 1985, to be kicked out five months later in 1986. How do you explain the records that showed Vreeland's rank as "Lieutenant," a rank that usually takes years to obtain? Petty Officer Gilford admitted that something smelled funny. Gilford suggested that perhaps Vreeland was in a "low-key type field" or got his rank through unusual means. "You're a fishy guy, sir," said Gilford, who agreed with Vreeland several times throughout the conversation that the records appeared to have been tampered with. When Vreeland confirmed Gilford's name, Gilford said, perhaps half joking, "I don't know if I wanna tell you my name now."

I confirmed this conversation with Petty Officer Gilford on June 12, 2002. On the phone, Gilford remembered Lieutenant Vreeland, eleven months earlier. Although all of Vreeland's records came up blank on almost all of the Navy's databases, when Gilford checked Vreeland with the D.E.E.R.S (Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System) he was able to view a "read only" record that confirmed Vreeland joined up in November 1985. But this time the D.E.E.R.S record showed that he was in the Navy's employ until December 9, 2000. For some reason, someone in the Navy had changed course and now the record read closer to what Vreeland originally claimed. I double-checked this D.E.E.R.S record at the local Navy/Marines recruiting station, and the exit date of year 2000 was there as well.

All other medical and personnel records in Vreeland's D.E.E.R.S. record, including his blood type, were blank. Officer Gilford found the blood type record especially odd, "It's not just that it's unknown, it just says 'blank.' That's not unusual for someone who just joined up, but it's weird for someone who's been with us for a while, fifteen years...I thought I would be able to print that, but it wouldn't print."

link ("Wildcard," 2002)

[chiggerbit]

Cottonwood subdivision in Douglas County

Nebraska?

Nevermind, I see it's Colorado.

[chiggerbit]

Jesus, no wonder the guy got so many years:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... sssays.htm

...Nelson corroborated our earlier interview with attorney and Franklin Cover-up author John DeCamp [decamplegal@inebraska.com], revealing that about 20-30 senators and congressmen attended and participated in mostly male pedophile sex parties at King’s mansion during the Reagan-Bush 41 administrations--but neither would name names.

DeCamp told us, "I can’t talk about that now. Bad things happen."

Nelson and Decamp also said that retired Los Angeles FBI Special Agent Ted Gunderson flew to Nebraska to assist the photographer; and Nelson told us Gunderson secured cash from an unidentified individual who paid to have him released on bail before his next public hearing on May 4. Nelson said he is worried, remains homeless, and is served legally by a public defender.

DeCamp said Gunderson has taken "a personal interest in Nelson and the Franklin case, and he’s a good friend."....