Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby Plutonia » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:04 pm

stickdog99 wrote:First, you conflate the lack of a conclusive link between vaccination and autism with proof that no such link exists.
As opposed to what you are doing- conflating a link where none exists?

No, I'm just pointing out Co$'s involvement in propagandizing us- which is, after all, what Co$ does.. And I really, I mean really, dislike Generation Rescue, those mendicants who send their "Rescue Angels" out to propagandize parents of newly diagnosed autistic children.
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Last year, Generation Rescue launched a full page advert thanking scientists for their work in establishing a thiomersal/autism connection. Embarrassingly, most of the quoted scientists co-signed a letter stating that their work had essentially been misrepresented.

The background of the advert used the image of a young boy called Baxter Berle who the advert stated was recovered from autism. KNBC News in the US presented a report which contained the following:

So, the school district first diagnosed Baxter and then later removed his diagnosis. What school did Baxter Berle attend at that time? Baxter Berle attended a school called ‘The Learning Castle’ which is alleged to be an elementary ‘feeder’ school for the Renaissance Academy with which it shares a campus (there seem to be about seven separate units on campus all feeding the Renaissance Academy). Here’s a little bit of information about the Director of the Renaissance Academy, Ann Hazen;

"Renaissance Academy is truly bringing education back to life through the use of a full academic program, athletics, the Arts, a warm and caring staff coupled with the brilliant study and educational philosophies of humanitarian L. Ron Hubbard."

Yup, they’re Scientologists too. Here’s Ms Hazen’s personal site and here’s a Scientology official website featuring Ms Hazen.

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Link


More on Co$ anti-vax propaganda here: Making a Killing
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:11 pm

barracuda wrote:You know what? I don't care about any of that. The posting guidelines are still in effect. Don't use Scientology sources.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Please show me the posting guidelines that say that no websites claimed by other websites to be associated with any Scientologists can be linked regardless of whether their content has anything whatsoever to do with Scientology.
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:20 pm

This was talked about back in Feb here...
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26946
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:27 pm

Plutonia wrote:
stickdog99 wrote:First, you conflate the lack of a conclusive link between vaccination and autism with proof that no such link exists.
As opposed to what you are doing- conflating a link where none exists?

LOL. I never said a link exists. Meanwhile, you have once again unequivocally claimed that no link exists. Thanks for proving my first point so cogently. Do you even understand that science is an evolving process?

Plutonia wrote:No, I'm just pointing out Co$'s involvement in propagandizing us- which is, after all, what Co$ does.. And I really, I mean really, dislike Generation Rescue, those mendicants who send their "Rescue Angels" out to propagandize parents of newly diagnosed autistic children.
...

Last year, Generation Rescue launched a full page advert thanking scientists for their work in establishing a thiomersal/autism connection. Embarrassingly, most of the quoted scientists co-signed a letter stating that their work had essentially been misrepresented.

The background of the advert used the image of a young boy called Baxter Berle who the advert stated was recovered from autism. KNBC News in the US presented a report which contained the following:

So, the school district first diagnosed Baxter and then later removed his diagnosis. What school did Baxter Berle attend at that time? Baxter Berle attended a school called ‘The Learning Castle’ which is alleged to be an elementary ‘feeder’ school for the Renaissance Academy with which it shares a campus (there seem to be about seven separate units on campus all feeding the Renaissance Academy). Here’s a little bit of information about the Director of the Renaissance Academy, Ann Hazen;

"Renaissance Academy is truly bringing education back to life through the use of a full academic program, athletics, the Arts, a warm and caring staff coupled with the brilliant study and educational philosophies of humanitarian L. Ron Hubbard."

Yup, they’re Scientologists too. Here’s Ms Hazen’s personal site and here’s a Scientology official website featuring Ms Hazen.

...

Link


More on Co$ anti-vax propaganda here: Making a Killing

Once again, you believe unquestioningly anything any skepdick website writes about any organization that questions vaccine safety. Once again, you act as if any organization that has a prominent member or associate who is a known or suspected Scientologist must be part of some imagined monolithic network of Co$ front groups. Thanks for proving both my second and third points so cogently. Do you even understand why guilt-by-association tactics are problematic, especially when the association you are unquestioningly using to spread guilt claims as a member about 1 in every 70 or so US citizens?

Seriously, when was the last time you saw a movie, listened to music or read a book? Do you realize that most motion picture production companies, record labels and publishing houses harbor (gasp!) SCIENTOLOGISTS?
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby eyeno » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:58 pm

A lot of the consideration missed in this topic is the synergistic effects of mixed metals. With aluminum being used as an adjuvant, mercury as a preservative, and mixing with fluoride, arsenic, and other metal contaminants picked up from food, water, and environment, these metals become a problem for G Protein systhesis which causes autoimmune problems.

These autoimmune problems can manifest as many different illnesses. This is well known because alchemy/chemistry of metals is an old science.

The problem is that the right people could care less and stand to lose money doing otherwise. I don't care enough about this particular thread topic to become embroiled in an argument about it, but those interested in this mixed metals reaction can easily find a plethora of information on the subject.

A group of doctors attempted to get hydrogen peroxide substituted as a preservative in some vaccines so I understand but this was shot down for what I consider obvious reasons.
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:16 pm

eyeno wrote:A lot of the consideration missed in this topic is the synergistic effects of mixed metals. With aluminum being used as an adjuvant, mercury as a preservative, and mixing with fluoride, arsenic, and other metal contaminants picked up from food, water, and environment, these metals become a problem for G Protein systhesis which causes autoimmune problems.

Exactly. This is one reason why the lack of primate studies of vaccination (and fluoridation, etc.) is particularly egregious. We simply have no data from which to quantify the level of risk of the currently mandated vaccination schedule in terms of the heavy metals loads injected into infants' bodies. And this is exactly how vaccine manufacturers want it. We are supposed to line up and shut up.
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:22 pm

stickdog99 wrote:
barracuda wrote:You know what? I don't care about any of that. The posting guidelines are still in effect. Don't use Scientology sources.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Please show me the posting guidelines that say that no websites claimed by other websites to be associated with any Scientologists can be linked regardless of whether their content has anything whatsoever to do with Scientology.


Third time:

barracuda wrote:If you'd care to argue that an organisation is being unfairly smeared as Scientology, be my guest, and we'll see what we see.


I'm seriously hoping it's a charm.

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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:56 pm

barracuda wrote:Third time:

barracuda wrote:If you'd care to argue that an organisation is being unfairly smeared as Scientology, be my guest, and we'll see what we see.


I'm seriously hoping it's a charm.

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That's exactly what I'm arguing. Is there any actual evidence to the contrary? Because all I have seen is a bunch of skepdick McCarthy-wannabes claiming to find Scientologists under every rock.
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:40 pm

*sigh*

Okay, here's what you do: you investigate the links put forth by Plutonia (or whomever) supporting her claims, and then you post your evidence to the contrary here, on the thread (or on another, different thread if you'd like), and everyone looks at the two sides and makes up their own minds!

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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby Plutonia » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:44 pm

stickdog99 wrote:That's exactly what I'm arguing. Is there any actual evidence to the contrary? Because all I have seen is a bunch of skepdick McCarthy-wannabes claiming to find Scientologists under every rock.

Yeah, for some reason the press is wary of investigating the Co$.

So, it's down to us at blogs, forums, discussion groups and other independent researches.


Sorry, what follows really is tl;dr, esp considering the author. Recommend to skip to the end:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATION OFFICE
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HCO POLICY LETTER OF 21 NOVEMBER 1972
ISSUE I

Distribution
All PR Packs

PR Series Nr. 18

HOW ONE HANDLES BLACK PROPAGANDA

RUMORS AND WHISPERING CAMPAIGNS


"Black Propaganda" (black = bad or derogatory, propaganda = spread claims or ideas with emphasis) is the expression which is used to destroy public opinion or respect of persons, corporations or nations.

It is a practical tool of forces who are trying to destroy real or imagined enemies or who want to obtain dominance in an area.

This technology attempts to so disparage a reputation that the person, corporation or nation is refused every right through "general agreement." It is then possible to destroy the person, corporation or nation with a smaller operation if Black Propaganda has not already done that.

Malicious and mendacious gossip of old wives was the earlier form of this tactic; it was so evil that, in some areas, they were put in the public stocks (neck chains) or driven out of the city.

In modern times, there is no keeping Black Propaganda in check. Legal proceedings for slanderous gossip are too expensive and too difficult to carry out, and the press law is so misused that anybody can use this kind of campaign.

All you need is an enemy. And there are few people in history who do not have enemies.

One is always running into people in society who do not understand very much. That expresses itself as sort of an evil joy about things. These people forward on slanderous rumors very easily. There are a great number of these people in an uneducated society. Since they are

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How do I really take care of my opponent, or what is "Black Propaganda"? Hubbard said, "Black Propaganda ... is the expression used to destroy the public opinion of or respect for persons, companies or nations...." (from: L. Ron Hubbard HCO-PB 21 Nov 72, issue 1)
Helnwein & Scientology, Lies & Treason by Peter Reichelt, 1997 - Page 364


not able to read, the greatest part of knowledge has been denied them. And since they do not recognize very many words, they do not understand much of what is said to them.

But that does not just apply to the illiterate.

What they do not understand, they make up for in imagination.

Therefore such people do not only listen to slander, but they falsify and pervert it even more.

In this manner can a rumor that has no true basis go through society.

When a number of such rumors are at hand and are progressing, then one can presume the presence of a "Whispering Campaign." That is not just because these things are whispered, but because they appear, like an evil wind, to have no source.

Black Propaganda uses this propensity to spread falsehoods and to repeat things.

Much Black Propaganda, of course, is more daring and appears even more urgent in irresponsible (or secretly controlled) magazines, on radio and television.

But even after a malicious newspaper story has appeared or a bad radio or television report has been broadcast, the Black Propagandists wait for the "Whispering Campaign" of these slanderous statements to be forwarded through society.

Therefore every person and every being is in danger.

No person, society or nation has a completely clean slate. That has been reserved for saints. In their childhood people stole a couple of apples, broke a window or two, dinged a fender, took a joy ride with a "borrowed" vehicle or took a few pennies or a lollipop although it did not belong to them.

Childhood is rather lawless, and the teenage period is very often a revolt against the ever tightening straitjacket of "respectable social behavior." You marry the wrong person or go astray in an incautious moment with another or commit various minor or major sins which society does not speak well of.

All these things can make someone susceptible to attacks on his career or regarding his past.

A person begins to fear that bad things will be said about him. Faced with a - real or imagined - Whispering Campaign, one tends to withdraw, become less active and limit his sphere of action.

That also goes for corporations, and even for nations.

Therefore you can actually get rather unhappy and sick if you do not know how one handles such attacks.

THE ATTACKER

The world is full of insane people.

The fundamental characteristic of extreme insanity is continuing attack: attacks on everything, attacks on persons or things which contain no threat.

Serious, not minor, crimes can be found at the root of such urges.

The attacker has an evil intention in life. He belongs to the dead, not to the living. And his harvest is a harvest of death.

Such a person has the feeling that he cannot be secure until all others are dead.

Their evil intentions take many forms and means of expression. The end product is the same - Death.

When an attacker has gone too far, then he is himself attacked. Long, bitter quarrels and wars between nations are both the mutual exchange of violence.

If an attacker does not have the physical means to annihilate others, and if his own goals would fail if they were to be exposed, then the attacks are conducted covertly.

He uses verbal propaganda, the press and other channels of communication to inject his poison. He hides himself as the source and he has his verbal attacks appear to be logical, real or proven.

He counts on his statements being taken up by the more evil people in society, perverted and then forwarded on.

That is Black Propaganda. It serves to humiliate real or imagined enemies, to decrease their income to deprive them of friends and support.

Corporations and companies follow this procedure with their competition. The American Medical Association (AMA) maintains their multi-billion monopoly on illness in that it executes a long, well-financed Black Propaganda campaign against anybody who it thinks could threaten its income. The director of its "Research Division" (as they call their Black Propaganda department) once said that they take action against each rival until he collapses one day. CRASH! They use press releases, their own members, paid advertisements, exhibitions, government connections and spokesmen, every channel to bring about an endless stream of invented stories against each imagined rival. While this brings them the support of the government, it also brings them a deep hatred, not only from rivals, but also from the general public.

They get back what they sow. Once they were prosperous. They are no longer. Their members do not like them and an increasing number of doctors belong only to the state medical associations, but not to the AMA. The individual doctor, for the most part, has a good public reputation. His main association profits from that and betrays him. One day there will be no more AMA, CRASH!

Black Propaganda is therefore not something that you hand out lightly. Because it can recoil on the person who uses it.

We look once at how it recoils.

One who injects too much poison get splattered with poison.

Too much Black Propaganda leads to counter-attacks.

Black Propaganda is, in essence, a web of lies. The AMA simply invents stories which it spreads or has someone spread for them.

Sooner or later it turns out that these stories are untrue. ONE false story can destroy the credibility of the teller. Who will then still listen?

Therefore a Black Propaganda has a weak point. The attacker will be attacked sooner or later - often by many people.

But those who have to oppose such a campaign have to be familiar with the technology with how it this is done.

SOME SORT OF REPORTS

There is a natural law which, unfortunately, favors Black Propaganda.

WHERE NO DATA IS AVAILABLE, PEOPLE WILL INVENT SOME

That is the law of the omitted data.

A vacuum has a tendency to get filled up. Ancient philosophers liked to say, "Nature abhors a vacuum." In reality, the pressure surrounding an area will flow into that in which no pressure reigns.

So it is with persons, corporations and nations.

Attacked by lies, a person has a tendency to withdraw. This alone leads to one pulling things in on oneself.

The person would not like to give out any information. So they turn, to a certain degree, into a secret.

In order to fill up this secret, people will invent information.

This applies to persons, corporations or nations.

And that is a necessity of Public Relations.

In essence, Public Relations is the art of making good accomplishments known.

It is a fatal error to believe that good accomplishments speak for themselves. That is not the case. They must be published.

That is it, in essence, what Public Relations does. And that is also the reason why it is there - to fill up the vacuum of omitted data.

In the middle of a campaign of Black Propaganda, one will be refused the usual communications channels. The press media with whose help the campaign is executed will bring no favorable commentary. One is insane if one believes that they will do that, because they serve a different master who has the intention to destroy the respect of the targets of their attack.

Statements from "authorities" force absolute truth out of the field of vision.

Therefore Public Relations people have to be extremely well aware of their technology if they are to confront Black Propaganda.

THE TECH

If you do not have to carry on a battle against Black Propaganda, then Public Relations is easy.

One imagines a reporter as someone who does his work by coming up with ideas and publishing articles. That is the reason why one often thinks of reporters as public relations people, but they are not.

When a Black Propaganda campaign is being run, these kind of articles are distorted and rejected; and that is the end of it.

There is much more about it to know.

There are a few rules that apply:

1. Fill the vacuum of omitted data with truthful-sounding data.
2. Prove that all false statements one hears are lies.
3. Make every rumor which you encounter sound unbelievable.
4. Handle every statement you make with the appropriate degree of interest.
5. Study the situation carefully until you have discovered the exact source.
6. Apply your knowledge of the source in order to hinder or destroy the source through non-criminal means with Black Propaganda.
7. Continue to fill the vacuum of no data with good data by using any channel at your disposal.


Each one of these points could fill a book. But if one understands them and uses one's own initiative, one can put together a whole lot of Tech.

Each of these point can appear in diverse variations.

APPLICATION

1. Fill the vacuum.

Only stop when you retreat. It has been clearly shown that in handling Black Propaganda by Public Relations, only "outflow" pays off. Saying nothing may be regarded as noble, but in Public Relations it is fatal. But even "experts" advise it (when they want to take in their customers).


Openly lying is clumsy and be used as a type of affirmation against one.

You do not need to reveal or to spread flubs and neither should you ever do it. Public Relations people often makes flubs.

But do not interpret that as meaning "calm is necessary." Find a secure position and speak.

Use every channel to speak. But do not use any channel that would adulterate it when you repeat what you say.

Do not stay on the same topic as that on which you were attacked.

One example of how one states his opinion without lying and without confirming it in this way could be:

ASSERTION: "I read that your business went broke last month."

REFUTATION: "For God's sakes! Listen to what you're saying! If we would not have gotten out of the contract, then we actually would have gone broke! There was quite a lively row about it in the board of directors. But McLinty won out. Scottish to the core. He said, "I won't sign it!" He almost tore the president's head off. A hellish spectacle. It seems we had stashed 80 million somewhere and McLinty is the one responsible, and he backed off not one inch."


The conclusion the questioner comes to is that you are not bankrupt. He has received information. The vacuum has been filled with a story of a dispute in the board of directors and a mysterious 80 million in reserves.


2. Contradict false data.

The technology of proving that statements are false is called "DEAD-AGENTING." It is from the first book of Chinese espionage. When the enemy agent makes a false statement, then the one who believed it and has now found it to be false, kills him, or at least stops believing him.

That is where you get the PR slang expression for "Dead Agenting."


It consists of fully contradicting false claims through documents, demonstration or display.

For that one needs a collection of documents or the ability to demonstrate something or display something.

ASSERTION: "I was told that you have having difficulties with the people at the income tax office."

REFUTATION: "Here is a document that shows we have paid our taxes in full, and here is a letter of recommendation from the revenue agency." And then one displays a few things.

The result? Whoever told him that has now died as a credible informant.


The best style of Dead-Agenting is when the refutable claim a person makes consists of finding out WHO it was that brought his attention to it and giving him the counter evidence.

ASSERTION (Person A): "I heard that you are not married to the man with whom you are living."

REFUTATION (Person B): "WHO told you that?"

A: "I forgot."

B: "Good, when you remember, then I'll show you something."

A: "Good, it was a man ..."

B: "WHO?"

A: "Hans Dummer."

B: "Okay. Here is my marriage certificate. Who is this comedian Hans Dummer really?"

Now all of a sudden it is Hans Dummer who has the secret. Why is he lying? What does he get from it?


If you do not have the document right there, but can get it, you can say, "Tell me the name of the one who told you, and the next time I see you, I'll show you something very interesting about it."

And then see to it that you get the document and then meet him again.

Dead-Agenting has a billion variations. "It does not fly." Fly with it. "The spot is empty." Show him it is full.

Etc


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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby catbirdsteed » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:55 pm

Plutonia posted: "BTW, I'm on the spectrum myself. That trumps your "I'm a caregiver."

Plutonia, I never said that I am not on the spectrum, I simply said I am a caregiver. One thing that I am not is a proponent of aspie chic.
There are numerous studies to be found that either replicate or support Wakefield's findings. Here is one:

http://www.la-press.com/article.php?article_id=1816

Publication Date: 27 Jan 2010

Journal: Autism Insights

Citation: Autism Insights 2010:2 1-11

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AbstractBackground: Children with developmental disorders experience chronic gastrointestinal symptoms. Aims: To examine the nature of these gastrointestinal symptoms and histologic findings in children with autism spectrum/developmental disorders and ileocolonic disease. Methods: Chart review. 143 autism spectrum/developmental disorder patients, with chronic gastrointestinal symptoms, undergoing diagnostic ileocolonoscopy. Results: Diarrhea was present in 78%, abdominal pain in 59% and constipation in 36%. Ileal and/or colonic lymphonodular hyperplasia (LNH), defined as the presence of an increased number of enlarged lymphoid follicles, often with hyperactive germinal centers, was present in 73.2%. Terminal ileum LNH presented visually in 67% and histologically in 73%. Colonic LNH was multifocal and presented histologically in 32%. Ileal and/or colonic inflammation presented in 74%, consisting primarily of active or chronic colitis (69%). Ileal inflammation presented in 35%. Presence of LNH significantly predicted mucosal inflammation. Patients with ileal and/or colonic LNH had lower mean/median age than those without; patients with ileal and/or colonic inflammation had lower mean/median age than those without. There was a significant association between ileo and/or colonic inflammation or LNH, and onset of developmental disorder; plateaued or regressive onset conferred greater risk than early onset. Conclusions: Patients with autism or related disorders exhibiting chronic gastrointestinal symptoms demonstrate ileal or colonic inflammation upon light microscopic examination of biopsy tissue. Further work is needed to determine whether resolution of histopathology with appropriate therapy is accompanied by GI symptomatic and cognitive/behavioral improvement."
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:02 pm

The Arthur Krigsman?

However, in evidence in U.S. Court of Federal Claims (also known as Vaccine Court),[8] Dr. Krigsman indicated that the work was not complete. The Clinical and Histological Study has since been published in the medical journal, Autism Insights, "Clinical Presentation and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorder and Chronic Gastrointestinal Symptoms".[9]

In testimony before a US Congressional committee, Krigsman reviewed his findings on a series of 43 children diagnosed with autistic disorders who were afflicted by chronic gastrointestinal symptoms. He stated that the majority were found to have inflammation of the colon and terminal ileum, while 90% had lymphonodular hyperplasia of the terminal ileum. The findings, he reported, were consistent from patient to patient. In U.S. Court of Federal Claims in 2007, however, he acknowledged that these findings were not specific to autistic children [2], a position also adopted by a specialist panel, including Krigsman, assembled by Autism Speaks in October 2006 [3]. This stated:

"The clinical significance of LNH in children with autism is unclear given that similar findings have also been reported in children with typical development as well as children with food allergies and immune deficiencies."

In 2005, Krigsman started work at the Thoughtful House Center for Children along with Dr Andrew Wakefield. However, his arrival was marred by controversy when Krigsman was fined $5,000 by the Texas medical board for his behaviour at the Lennox hill Hospital in 2004, where he had carried out research without permission from the hospital.[10]
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby lupercal » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:20 pm

Thimerosal: History
Thimerosal Scandal - Page 1 of 66 - June 22, 2005

Thimerosal has been used in vaccines since the 1930s, and internal company documents indicate that the pharmaceutical industry was always aware of the chemical’s potential danger.5 The Eli Lilly Company, which first developed and manufactured thimerosal and owned the patent, knew from the start that thimerosal was unsafe—its testing consisted of administering the serum to 22 terminal meningitis patients, all of whom died within weeks of being injected—a fact not reported in Lilly’s study. For decades, Lilly portrayed this incident as proof of thimerosal’s safety.6

As early as July 1935, Lilly was warned by the Director of Biological Laboratories at the Pitman-Moore Company that Lilly’s claims about thimerosal’s safety “did not check with ours.” Pitman warned that half the dogs it had injected with thimerosal-containing vaccines became sick and concluded, “[T]himerosal is unsatisfactory as a serum intended for use on dogs.”7
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When thimerosal was used by the army in the 1940s and 1950s (in vaccines), Lilly was required by the Defense Department to label the preservative “Poison.”8 It was well established by the 1940s in peer-reviewed scientific and medical literature that injecting thimerosal into sensitive individuals could cause serious injury.9

In May of 1967, a study published in Applied Microbiology found that Lilly’s thimerosal killed mice when it was added to injectable vaccines.10 Four years later, in 1971, Lilly’s own tests found that thimerosal was “toxic to tissue cells” in concentrations of less than 1 in 1,000,000.11 Typical vaccine concentrations are 1 in 10,000, one hundred times the levels that Lilly knew to be dangerous. Yet Lilly continued to promote thimerosal in vaccines as “non-toxic when injected.”12

When on April 27, 1976, Rexall, which sold thimerosal under license from Lilly, asked Lilly’s permission to add a toxicity warning to thimerosal labels, Lilly ordered Rexall not to add the warning and purposely misstated the potential hazards of a product it knew to be toxic: “the mercury in the product is organically bound ethyl mercury and has a completely non-toxic nature.”

The first known cases of autism were diagnosed in 1943 in children born in the first months after Eli Lilly began adding mercury to baby vaccines in 1931. Leo Kanner, who first described and named the disease based upon his encounters with 11 autistic children, was one of the fathers of American psychiatry. He described the disease as “a behavior pattern not known to me or anyone else heretofore.”13

In 1982, the FDA proposed a ban on over-the-counter products that contained thimerosal (like mercurochrome and merthiolate) because of the chemicals’ demonstrated toxicity to animal fetuses and humans.14 (The ban did not go into effect until October 19, 1998.)15 In 1977, five years earlier, topical thimerosal killed 10 babies at a Toronto hospital when it was dabbed on their umbilical cords as a disinfectant.16 I n 1991, thimerosal was banned for use in injections for animals.17 By then, the peer-reviewed studies demonstrating thimerosal’s devastating toxicity to children, adults and animals could have filled a small library.18

Astonishingly, that same year, America’s public health authorities, in consultation with the pharmaceutical companies, mandated that infants be injected with a series of thimerosal-laced vaccines beginning on the day of birth.19

New Innoculations for American Children


Prior to 1989, American preschoolers generally received only three vaccinations, given in up to eleven injections: DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), polio, and MMR (measles/mumps/rubella). In the early 1990’s, public health officials dramatically increased the number of thimerosal-containing vaccinations, including hepatitis B, DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis) and Hib (Haemophilus Influenzae type b), without considering the cumulative impact of the mercury load on developing brains.20 Federal officials instituted a requirement for a hepatitis B vaccination within 24 hours of birth when a child’s brain is most susceptible to toxic effects.21 According to Professor Dr. Boyd Haley, the chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky and one of the world’s leading authorities on mercury toxicity, an infant receiving the hepatitis B inoculation would have to weigh 275 pounds to bear its mercury loading at EPA’s safety standards. (Haley argues that the Hep B vaccine in particular is completely unnecessary at that age since the disease is spread primarily by dirty needles and unsafe sex.)22 Prior to 2004, babies, even premature low-birth weight ones, received thimerosal within hours of birth.23 Altogether, before the age of two, American children receive at least 20 vaccine injections to protect against twelve infectious diseases. By the time they reach first grade, they will have had at least 24 vaccinations.24

In a 1991 memo, recently obtained by plaintiffs’ lawyers in lawsuits against the pharmaceutical industry, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of the fathers of Merck’s vaccination programs, warned Dr. Gordon Douglas, President of the company’s vaccination division, that six-month-old children administered the shots on schedule would suffer mercury exposures 87 times the existing safety standards. He recommended that thimerosal use be discontinued, “especially where use in infants and young children is anticipated.” 25 Hilleman commented that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which has a notoriously close relationship with the pharmaceutical industry, could not be counted on to take appropriate action as its European counterpart had. (Europe and Japan were moving quickly to ban thimerosal—Russia banned it 20 years ago.)26 Hilleman also noted that the drug industry knew of non-toxic alternatives to thimerosal and that “it is worthy of consideration to find another acceptable preservative.” While this was the best solution, Hilleman noted that “the costs…may be prohibitive.”27 Apparently, due to the primacy of this cost consideration, Merck ignored Hilleman’s warning and for eight years government officials added seven additional shots for children containing thimerosal, bringing the total to 24.
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The ethyl mercury released from thimerosal is a known brain poison and autism rates began rising dramatically in children who were administered the new vaccine regimens. A decade ago, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) estimated the autism rate among American children to be 1 in 2,500. Today, both AAP and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) place the autism rate at an astonishing 1 in 166, or one in 80 boys! Additionally, one in every six children is now diagnosed with a related neurological disorder.28
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footnotes and much more here: http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/Th ... lFINAL.PDF
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:23 pm

barracuda wrote:*sigh*

Okay, here's what you do: you investigate the links put forth by Plutonia (or whomever) supporting her claims, and then you post your evidence to the contrary here, on the thread (or on another, different thread if you'd like), and everyone looks at the two sides and makes up their own minds!

You're welcome.

*sigh*

So you are actually serious that if any skepdick message board libels a website as being remotely associated with Scientology, then by default, until proven otherwise, any and all content from that website is censored on RI's message board?

Seriously?

Is this actually what you are saying?

Seriously?
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Re: Did Andrew Wakefield Perpetrate an "Elaborate Fraud"?

Postby Plutonia » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:11 am

catbirdsteed wrote:Plutonia, I never said that I am not on the spectrum, I simply said I am a caregiver. One thing that I am not is a proponent of aspie chic.
Not sure what that's supposed to mean except maybe you are on the spectrum and maybe you think that's not cool. Maybe you're right. I'm more of an autie, myself.

So, that's a squeaky clean new site you've linked to there (http://www.la-press.com/article.php?article_id=1816) ... so lets see what we can find....

1) Journal: Autism Insights; Editor in Chief; Dr Anthony J. Russo

2) Dr Anthony J. Russo is Research Directorof the Health Research Center/Pfeiffer Treatment Center in Warrenville, IL.

3) Oh look who he's co-publishing research papers with - Andrew Wakefield.

That didn't take long. Disappointing really.


Autism Insights, another journal for questionable autism research?

The double standards applied by the autism alternative medicine community never cease to amaze me. Typically they do a game of “six degrees of separation” with any one they disagree with. Do you have ties to anyone who has worked on vaccines? Do you have ties to anyone who knows anyone who might have worked with a governmental agency? Well, if so, anything you say is ignored as biased.

Funny that no one took a good look at the Journal that the recent “confirmation” of Dr. Wakefield’s research was published in. The alt-med community doesn’t question research they like.

Confused? Here’s the back story. A recent article was published Clinical presentation and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in Children with Autistic spectrum Disorder and Chronic Gastrointestinal symptoms in a journal called “Autism Insights”. The paper came out the day before the decision from the GMC on Dr. Wakefield. The paper was touted as “Wakefield’s Science Proven Valid Again In New Study That Replicates Findings” in a blog post (guess where?)

Have you ever heard of “Autism Insights“? Neither had I. Don’t feel bad. Unless you read one of the two other articles published in that “journal”, you couldn’t have heard of it.

Yes, two other articles. One is an editorial.

This new article brings the total published in “Autism Insights” to 3.


The first:

Trends in Developmental, Behavioral and Somatic Factors by Diagnostic Sub-group in Pervasive Developmental Disorders: A Follow-up Analysis
Authors: Paul Whiteley, Lynda Todd, Kalliopi Dodou and Paul Shattock


Then an editorial:

Autism Etiology: Genes and the Environment
Authors: A.J. Russo

and now

Clinical Presentation and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorder and Chronic Gastrointestinal Symptoms
Authors: Arthur Krigsman, Marvin Boris, Alan Goldblatt and Carol Stott


Yep, that’s it. The entire production of “Autism Insights” is two papers and one editorial.

So far, every paper has had an author on the journal’s editorial board.

Take a look at the Editorial Board. This paper, timed to come out exactly when Dr. Wakefield needed good press has no fewer than four people from Dr. Wakefield’s own clinic, ThoughtfulHouse.

Bryan Jepson, MD
Director of Medical Services, Medical Center at Thoughtful House Center for Children, Austin, TX, USA

Arthur Krigsman, MD
Director of Gastrointestinal Services, Pediatric Gastroenterology, Thoughtful House Cener for Children, Austin, TX, USA

Carol Mary Stott, PhD
Senior Research Associate, Research Department, Thoughtful House, Austin, TX, USA

Andrew Wakefield, MBBS, FRCS, FRCPath
Research Director, THoughtful House Centre for Children, Austin, TX, USA

There are prominent DAN* doctors, Richard Deth, and others from the alt-med community on the editorial board as well.

Come on guys. Is this really the standard of science that is acceptable to support Dr. Wakefield?

As an aside, a year or so back I emailed some friends with a speculation that the alt-med community would create their own journal. As far as predictions go, this wasn’t really a longshot. Still, it is interesting to see the prediction come true.

As to the paper itself? I’ll only say a few brief words as it really isn’t worth the time.

1) I recall in the Omnibus hearings that many of the GI “findings” claimed by the petitioners were found to be misinterpretations by the experts who reviewed them

2) No one has ever said that autistic kids are somehow immune from GI complaints, including inflammation.

3) There are multiple details where, even if correct, this research is very dissimilar from that of Dr. Wakefield’s original Lancet paper and later work.

It is too bad that these researchers chose to make clinical findings into what amounts to a political statement of support for Dr. Wakefield. If there is any valuable information gained from these children, I don’t see how this paper respects their contribution.

edit to add: I forgot to acknowledge that this post came from a tip from Prometheus at the Photon in the Darkness blog.


* remember DAN has a serious case of scientological cooties.
[the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister

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