UFO filmed over Jerusalem.

[barracuda]

Ok so, if Michael Cohen of allnewsweb and/or his source is to be trusted when he writes...

Ha, ha. As I implied in the first post of this thread, allnewsweb is NOT a trustworthy source. At all. I'm simply chasing the small amount of information on the YouTube captions for location sources. As far as I'm concerned, the fourth video has me pretty well convinced that this is mightily Blair Witchy in origin.

Based on your map do the two videos, assuming somewhat similar consumer optics and zoom ranges, appear to have been taken at the relative distances one would expect?

I guess so. I get ~1.25 miles from Mount Scopus to the Dome, and ~1.75 miles from Armon Hanatziv to the dome via the measuring tool on Google Earth.

[brainpanhandler]

No. no. I wasn't trying to be funny. I understood that you understood and I assume just about everyone else here understands that allnewsweb is about as trustworthy as Weekly World News. I was just trying to sum up what could be said in the way I thought it could be said.

Is Cohen the original source though? From the allnewsweb article Cohen makes it seem that he interviewed the people who shot the video. I don't see how else he could have gotten the information he did (the location, the names) without otherwise making it up. Or is the first video posted somewhere by the people who claim to have shot it with more information? I'm too lazy to sort through all the videos now.

As far as I'm concerned, the fourth video has me pretty well convinced that this is mightily Blair Witchy in origin.

It does have that look and feel doesn't it? But does that mean that all the videos have the same origin and are part of the same 'project'?

It seems worth noting that the people in the first, second, and fourth video are speaking Hebrew and the third video has Americans speaking. I'm still not certain of that, but that seems to be the case.

[Luther Blissett]

Okay so pardon my ignorance, but is this a news item in any way? It seems like most of the big mass sightings over populated areas in the last decade or so make it into the mainstream news. Any eyewitnesses sans video being interviewed by reporters? Any local stories that don't strictly revolve around the videos themselves?

[barracuda]

Is Cohen the original source though? From the allnewsweb article Cohen makes it seem that he interviewed the people who shot the video. I don't see how else he could have gotten the information he did (the location, the names) without otherwise making it up. Or is the first video posted somewhere by the people who claim to have shot it with more information? I'm too lazy to sort through all the videos now.

Perhaps you might email Mr. Cohen and see what he says. I'm scared to, myself. He hasn't publically reported any details beyond his latest:

Four days ago All News Web broke a story regarding an incredible piece of UFO footage (see video below) captured by a Mr Eligael Gidlovitch, of Tel Aviv, while at the Armon Hanatziv lookout, over the old city of Jerusalem. The footage shows a UFO descending to just above the Temple Mount / Dome of the Rock before shooting off into the night sky.

The video spread rapidly across the Internet creating something of a UFO frenzy. Shortly after the first footage was uploaded, the footage from the second witness - seen filming the event in the first clip - was uploaded (see second clip below). Thousands of veiwers are now declaring these clips the best UFO footage ever captured.

Soon a third clip was uploaded onto the net (see third clip below). This one was allegedly taken by a group of tourists from the US and shows what is claimed to be the same object hovering above the Dome of the Rock before shooting off, as well. This clip is regarded by almost all UFO enthusiasts as an obvious hoax parodying the first two clips and poking fun at the stereotype that suggests that UFOs are only seen by isolated rural Americans in places like Mississippi. Most experts agree that the view of Jerusalem in this clip is clearly a photo or internet image.

Now the Israel press have picked up on the story but astonishingly seem to have got the whole event messed up and are focusing on the third clip. The article below is now circulating across the Hebrew language Internet and also appeared on the back page of Yedioth Achronoth's (Israel's main evening paper) print edition. Yedioth Achronoth even called in an expert who declared the whole event a hoax; based on the third piece of footage.

http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/001-D-260233-00.html

The question now to be asked is: Was the third clip deliberately inserted into this event to discredit it and why is media presenting this clip as central to the story?

UFO enthusiasts claim that a government coverup of UFO activity has been going on for years. These goings on seem to confirm this to be the case.

And check out the pyramid UFO on his homepage, hovering somewhere over China.

Any eyewitnesses sans video being interviewed by reporters? Any local stories that don't strictly revolve around the videos themselves?

No.

Edit: this is the channel of the original poster of these first two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/eligael

[Cosmic Cowbell]

[psynapz]

This sync video is convincing, CC.

The 3rd one was either pranksters or obfuscators for sure. I'm increasingly convinced that videos 1, 2 and 4 are the real deal, especially since watching them synched.

Otherwise, there's two layers of pranksterism, one meta, either wittingly or unwittingly, and life is so much easier to manage if you assume horses before zebras. In this case, running counter to a smug, self-satisfied Randian pop-skepticism, horses are the unexplained genuine 3+D realtime occurrence witnessed by multiple people with multiple cameras, and zebras are a very elaborate hoax involving matched motion-tracked effects on a variety of formats and angles, plus a more obvious hoax on top of it all.

Could we be under psyops attack with a multivariate test? Or could some luminous, intelligently-directed thing have actually hovered over a landmark steeped in meaning to local and distant humans alike, then make a big show of itself as it vacated in a hurry?

Assuming it israel (or rather was) and some amount less than 100% hoax, why would it take off in such a hurry? The bright flashes seem to emanate from the "ball" itself, and seem to illuminate the surrounding buildings with radial uniformity, so it doesn't seem like it was responding to a perceived threat by bolting straight up out of the way, but rather these flashes were a form of precursor activity to the rapid ascension.

But what was the apparent ejectae all about? Was any evidence left behind? It seems to have either come out before the first flash, but was only visible during each of the two flashes, getting more distant from the main "ball" by the time of the 2nd flash, OR there were two luminous ejecta, each presenting with a blinding flash.

[justdrew]

one thing about this, I'm not so sure this 'craft' demonstrates flight characteristics not achievable by 'earth science' - it could be a lit up UAV with a sudden evasive-maneuver rocket feature (huge impulse, short-burn) for say, dodging missiles.

[psynapz]

one thing about this, I'm not so sure this 'craft' demonstrates flight characteristics not achievable by 'earth science' - it could be a lit up UAV with a sudden evasive-maneuver rocket feature (huge impulse, short-burn) for say, dodging missiles.

And then the jazzy marquis redlight shuffle dance?

[justdrew]

one thing about this, I'm not so sure this 'craft' demonstrates flight characteristics not achievable by 'earth science' - it could be a lit up UAV with a sudden evasive-maneuver rocket feature (huge impulse, short-burn) for say, dodging missiles.

And then the jazzy marquis redlight shuffle dance?

it's "mates" with the bright lights turned off and with just a somewhat dim nav beacon on, possibly intentionally 'parked' in a default holding formation. why do it? well, they could have just been screwing around, or it might be about sucking up internet mind-share while some other events are on-going.

[Saurian Tail]

Any eyewitnesses sans video being interviewed by reporters? Any local stories that don't strictly revolve around the videos themselves?

LB seems to be asking the right questions.

This was allegedly captured by three different cameras that appear to be plausibly real and one obvious hoax. This is a highly populated area. If this was a real event and it was captured in three different real recordings, then there has to be hundreds of people who saw it or experienced those flashes that are not in any way connected to the videos.

This didn't happen off in the woods somewhere ... this happened over one of the most important religious sites in the world in a major city. The UFO itself was extremely bright and had two huge flashes that lit up the whole area. If it was recorded by three people in different locations, it should have been witnessed by hundreds.

If it turns out that there is no collaborating evidence from non-video sources, then I say the whole thing is a hoax.

-ST

[WakeUpAndLive]

ST, this even also happened at 1am on a weekday, reducing the chance people saw it. I agree though, I would like to hear from multiple sources about eyewitness experiences.

[psynapz]

... hava?

[Ben D]

Assuming it israel (or rather was) and some amount less than 100% hoax, why would it take off in such a hurry? The bright flashes seem to emanate from the "ball" itself, and seem to illuminate the surrounding buildings with radial uniformity, so it doesn't seem like it was responding to a perceived threat by bolting straight up out of the way, but rather these flashes were a form of precursor activity to the rapid ascension.

But what was the apparent ejectae all about? Was any evidence left behind? It seems to have either come out before the first flash, but was only visible during each of the two flashes, getting more distant from the main "ball" by the time of the 2nd flash, OR there were two luminous ejecta, each presenting with a blinding flash.

Fwiw, I'm going with the ball lightning explanation which postulates a plasmoid (ball lightning) could interact with the local geo-atmospheric and earth elctromagnetic charges and fields in a manner as seen on the videos.

So initially the 'ball' was attracted to 'hover' just above the earth where a degree of equilibrium of interactive charges was reached. However at some point there was a sudden and significant discharge of the ball's total charge which was indicated by the flashes. This in turn resulted in a significant change to the local electro-field environment in a way to repulse the now significantly less charged 'ball' at high speed away from the earth. Then at some point at higher altitude, there came a condition where once again relative electrical equilibrium prevailed. However by now the residual charge is not sufficient to manifest as a discrete ball, and assumed the form of an expanded gaseous/plasmic spheroid (mostly invisible to the eye) whose interactions with the immediate electro-environment was a continuous series of relatively faint differentiated arcs which appeared at various points at the circumference of the vacuous spheroid so as to maintain balance of charge distribution in relation to the local atmospheric elctro environment. However this state of relative equilibrium, despite the continuous adjustments of charge location within its sphere of manifestation, is not as stable as the original coherent integrated ball and thus will sooner or later 'disappear' as the residual but now differentiated centers are drained of remaining charges.

[WakeUpAndLive]

Compelling viewpoint Ben, but how does that explain the dancing red lights at the end of this video? The geometric patterns it creates and the randomness of the lights makes it hard to believe.

[Ben D]

Hi WakeUpAndLive, the last two sentences of my post were meant to address the 'dancing lights' at the end of the video,.. but I'll try again.

This is all just based on my present understanding,...when you look at the section of the video with the 'dancing' lights, imagine that these smaller lights are manfesting roughly at the circumference of an vastly expanded (relative to the original coherent ball of light) rotating invisible sphere which has a common center to the seemingly random lights. Their changing positions relative to the sphere's center and their changing brightness levels are a result of the real time electro magnetic interaction between the remaining electric charge of the expanded but now invisible 'ball' and the local atmospheric electro environment which is also in a state of flux. IOW, the relevant local atmospheric environment is going through the natural electric processes involved in producing maximum uniformity of charge distribution/equilibrium throughout. In fact, the whole sequence of events following the advent of ball lightning will always be one of electrical interactions that lead to it's complete discharge in time, but unlike normal electricity that will always pass through the path of least electrical resistance to discharge anomalous potential differences, ball lightening's discharge processes are more complex and not yet fully understood.