Huge explosion in Oslo

[barracuda]

Whatever.

Seems kinda early in the game to be throwin' the "w" word around. We're just guessin' here with the resta y'all.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Okay, where did he get the sweater?

Benjamin Netanyahu gave it to him as a personal gift. It'll all come out eventually. Happy?

[Harvey]

Whatever.

Seems kinda early in the game to be throwin' the "w" word around. We're just guessin' here with the resta y'all.

Exasperation. Please forgive me.

[StarmanSkye]

Is it just me, or does this attack have more than an incidental likeness to the post-911 Anthrax 'terror' letters which despite targetting such implausable Al Qaeda 'foes' as a couple primary anti-War Democratic Congressmen and a Tabloid newspaper that embarrassed the Bush Dynasty by highlighting the besotted escapades of frivolously indiscreet Bush daughters, was widely and successfully touted as 'evidence' of insidious, calculated Al Qaeda conspiracy of terror -- until the irreducable impossibility and unlikelyhood of such a claim caused it to be quietly sidelined and ultimately blamed on a convenient 'lone nut scientist' in Government employ after years of badgering intimidation, character assassination, FBI investigations and massive mass media speculation created the context of emotional despair and 'official suicide' by which to close the case as 'solved'.

Seems, Norway's halfway decent, moral position of support for Palestinian statehood and Palestinian civil rights is what will really be damaged here, as its terror victimhood will have the greatest potential for inflaming public outrage and reinvigorating the premise behind the American-led UN-assisted Global War on Terror -- helping to eclipse the tremendous inconsistencies, frauds, misperceptions, outright lies, abuses, serial warcrimes and vast expenditures of Public funds towards an uncertain and implausable stated end. The actual victims of terror are overwhelmingly Arab and Muslim, inflicted c/o the megatons of armaments and munitions produced by the US/EU war machine industry. This event, unless attributed to a purely European or domestic rightwing organization, will help to galvinize continued public enthusiasm for continued war and Arab/Muslim persecution.

[Harvey]

This is getting stranger, various sources are saying multiple shooters. Confusion maybe?

[8bitagent]

I definitely don't buy for a second Mcveigh acted alone, so I definitely have a hard time believing this guy acted alone or that noone else knew of it. Is he too, just an agent of chaos...a Loughner who made a quick breadcrumb trail online with rants and literary quotes to wrap his coming violence in egalitarian tones...a V For Vendetta type, here to usher in a new man and way of thinking?

Guys, this forum has some interesting stuff, Daily Mail are saying this is the guy.

http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1725691

Did he just make that facebook page? That's what people are speculating on that forum thread. Also on that thread, is this really what a Norway prison cell looks like???



I'm against deplorable prison conditions, but man...if I was an overworked Norwegian business man I wouldn't mind a few days there.
Kind of funny when their prison cells look like Ikea store model rooms.
Wow...Norway prisons sound freaking amazing:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html

If I ever visit Norway and run out of money, I'm totally going to do some petty theft.

[82_28]

Perhaps in order to validate racist beliefs in brown-people terrorism, they must front load the notion because by and large, nobody I really know, for instance, believes a bit of it and look at it as "bad apples" are in existence everywhere. Since "terrorism" has been the plot all along -- simply terror -- reigned down upon unsuspecting simple people for the whole of the 20th and 21st centuries in order to control their minds and souls for eons beyond that, they must now balance the scales of disbelief that only Arab-ish people are terrorists. Thus they crack down further. To what end, I do not know. Nothing good, that's for sure. As, QED, this is not good and will result in further actions by that thing called the "PTB".

[8bitagent]

Apparently authorities two days ago used live explosives in a big terrorism drill in Oslo near the opera house. Translated and video of it included, guess it seems
they didn't inform the public
http://www.prisonplanet.com/oslo-police ... blast.html

[Nordic]

Dude, that article is a year old.

well that's annoying. i was in a hurry to leave the house when i posted that and didn't notice. i thought the washingtonsblog guy just added it to his post as it came in.

my apologies for the mistake.

[Harvey]

If you look at the image of the van the killer is supposed to have taken to the island here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lasts.html

Managed to figure out the text on the side, looks like he hired the van here:

http://www.bislet.no/Hjem/Bilkategorier/Varebil

(Edit: meant to say, man dressed as policeman, drives rented van to island, evades security which you might imagine would be fairly tight given the list of VIP's present or due to be, long enough to shoot several kids all around the islands coast, while helicopters film all this, before being taken alive. Would Hollywood dare to turn in this script?)

You can see the vans position by the jetty in the video here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... toya-video

Note children swimming away off on the other side of the island.

If you look at the images linked to from here:

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showth ... ?p=3019733

You can see there are far more bodies (many different sections of coast each with many bodies) than the media are discussing.

From the placement of the bodies, and I'm no expert, it would seem to point to more than one shooter.

[Harvey]

BBC are saying at least 80 dead on the island.

One shooter?

[AhabsOtherLeg]

80? I hope to God that's wrong.

If it's right, it definitely wasn't just Breivik acting alone - unless a bomb actually did go off there?

[Harvey]

80? I hope to God that's wrong.

If it's right, it definitely wasn't just Breivik acting alone - unless a bomb actually did go off there?

I don't think it's wrong. A cursory look at the links above confirms that. As a parent, I can't imagine the suffering of the families right now. I don't want to.

[Harvey]

Could one man could carry that much ammunition? I have no idea of the logistics here but lets say one hit per four misses and let's say two hits per kill, that' would be 800 rounds. Anyone know how much that would weigh? Or half that?

And that's not even accounting for the injured. Factor in the eyewitness accounts of bullets coming from all directions hitting everything around them, many wounded...

[barracuda]

Factor in the eyewitness accounts of bullets coming from all directions hitting everything around them,

Do you have a source for that?

Could one man could carry that much ammunition? I have no idea of the logistics here but lets say one hit per four misses and let's say two hits per kill, that' would be 800 rounds. Anyone know how much that would weigh? Or half that?

Devil's advocating again, but one person could easily carry several hundred rounds of ammunition.



That's 900 rounds.