The 9/11 Anti - propaganda onslaught thread.

[eyeno]

Eyeno has been naively and innocently scattering, smothering, covering and chunkingtm RI with highly questionable links and sources for months now.

I, for one, am glad someone is paying attention.

Ditto.

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And Eyeno: your current folksy 'poor victim me' verbiage is hilariously thin, thanks for demonstrating the type so obviously.

You know what you should do? Instead of being a cocky know it all you should provide in one post
ALL A PERSON SHOULD KNOW ABOUT LAROUCHE AND WHY HE IS A DICKHEAD. A ALL IN ONE PRIMER FOR THE LAROUCHE DUMBASS. ALL YOU EVER NEEDED TO KNOW.

instead you just mock me. i don't know what you know. why don't you teach me instead of assuming that i know? i don't know. i don't. sorry but i don't.

i keep asking you people for info but i don't get it. i just get ridicule.

yes i DO INDEED KNOW A LOT OF SHIT but i don't know everything you know. my interests are not centered around yours obviously. but we can learn together...can't we?

[jam.fuse]

Anyway...

http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/

The struggle to imbue the tenth anniversary of 9/11 with memorial significance is notable only for its failure. Reading all the paeans and homilies and homages to the date is an experience most akin to attending an odd-year high school reunion; it is neither quite so well-attended nor nearly as nostalgic as you imagined; there's no one at the bar; the cater waiters won't flirt--worse, they're older than you are! In the corner, some former cheerleader cries mawkishly into her Long Island; above the airport hotel ballroom, planes rumble indifferently into the night sky; on the far side of the world, a stock exchange opens; "the dog misses you," says your lover over the phone, "I miss you. How's the reunion?"; "I wish I'd never come"; "I told you so." Before the smoke cleared, our national culture of opportunism sought to ratify 9/11 as world-historical, and in retrospect all our flailing, horrible, violent responses to those briefly spectacular moments of smoke-and-kaboom read as much as anything as dully intentional attempts to render the attacks as epically poetic, the hijackings that launched a thousand sorties, so to speak; but mere spectacle rarely bears much weight of memory: the sense of all these memorial recollections is of rushing into Radio City and declaring the Rockettes Christmas Spectacular the equal of Lear on the strength of its high-kicking--not simply wrong, but preposterous. The reason that so many newspapers and magazines, teevee shows and radio programs, blogs and other bullshit have ginned up so many Special Editions, the reason there is such an unharmonious cacophony of competing kaddishes linked only by their ridiculous, maudlin sentimentality, is that the supposed universal significance of the date barely qualifies as a mirage; the touted unity of the national conscience and consciousness afterward less than a fairy tale; the importance of the day as some inflection point in the history of human civilization so vastly overblown as to have long since popped. Here we are, standing around the limp remnants of a birthday balloon paraphrasing Genesis; rubber to rubber, bust to bust.

[2012 Countdown]

Short on time at the moment, but checking in.

8Bit, yes, well, I guess you're correct. When you start going off into that as you eventually do, I'm turning away. I took, and one cannot 'untake' the 'red pill', but that magic and numerology talk is 'silliness' or the unprovable, imo. I say that not to dismiss, as I am entertained by some of the 'connections', but they are tenuous and flimsy at best. I like to not contaminate provable stuff with speculation when talking to people and going to the mat on things. I also can't understand how you bring up some of the stuff you do, and yet bash others for some of the weird stuff they mention. Not looking to argue or confront/challenge here, no way, just an observation.

Now for the Eyeno thing. Well, starting with admitting to my ignorace and lack of brain power when compared to posters here, I am sympathizing with Eyeno. I sometimes post things and do so to get the braintrust's take.
I might speculate too, but it is innocent, and that is what I get from Eyeno too. Just posting various things to get you people's take. If that poster were to leave, I for one would miss them.

[semiconscious]

I might speculate too, but it is innocent, and that is what I get from Eyeno too. Just posting various things to get you people's take...

if true, wouldn't 'eyedunno' be a more appropriate tip-off of where he's coming from?...

[Perelandra]

Eyeno has been naively and innocently scattering, smothering, covering and chunkingtm RI with highly questionable links and sources for months now.

I, for one, am glad someone is paying attention.

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[82_28]

Just caught this on one of my tumblr feeds. On a day where all these bastards are playing the same solemn piano music like they did when Oprah had her farewell. On a day that some of us, have been diligently following all along this whole time. I offer this joke I just got in my feed:

Knock knock.- Who’s there? - 9/11. - 9/11 who? - You bastard! You said you would never forget!

I am about ready to forget this 9/11 bullshit. There's just no way of escaping it though. Thus, we will never forget. We will be going over this for the rest of our lives.

Let us see what opening day of NFL football brings -- many games are about to kick off. Let's hope it is less interesting than more in the realms of awful acts and/or propaganda.

[Project Willow]

If I mention it at all today to anyone, I'd like to quote this bit from JR:

And it will be highly significant if the 9/11 story ever cracks. Consider that in 1973 the Kennedy assassination was not employed as a general propaganda cudgel to justify all government policy. Whereas 9/11 has never stopped being the centerpiece of the policy shifts and constant panickry since 2001. Consider the headline of the Daily News just yesterday:

9/11
Terror
Alert!

This has never stopped, in all these 10 years. It remains as the society's new foundational myth. The cracking of the mythology is not going to come from the former 9/11 truth movement, however, as has been obvious since 2004, when we failed to confront the Commission with the necessary moral force and numbers, and thus lost our best chance to make a difference ourselves -- and certainly by 2006 at the latest, when the by-then "Truthers" rendered themselves irrelevant through the fatal adoption of the Alex Jones/LC/WAC way -- ironically even as they entered their brief season as a pop-cultural phenomenon.

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As to the Mason conversation, the corruption is not a top-down problem, it's more of a columnar co-culture to the wider organization. It may involve entire lodges and yes, some low level Masons indulge their pathology in dark activities.

[8bitagent]

11 93 77 175...all deeply resonating numbers Crowley obsessed about.

...one of them was, yes. Flight 418 would have been a lot more impressive. Seems like you've learned juuuust enough about Crowley to validate your pre-existing theory.

He even named his secret group A.:A.:93! American Airlines 93?

Nope, nope he did not. It is a more impressive factoid when you add the 93, though, I'll give you that. The silver star! Argentum Astrum. The Thelemic current was not included in the name. Getting American Airlines out of that is apophenia, but hey, apophenia is fun.

Again, 175? What's the occult logic on that, a single libri? There's dozens of those. I know gemetria is fast and loose, especially once it gets into gentile hands, but this stuff is Bible Code level.

I am such an asshole.

You're seriously going to tell me there's no significant placement either in Crowleyan reading or occult symbolism with 11, 77 or 93? Seriously, 93? A band I like called Current 93 based their name from an interest in his writings. And 175 is widely talked about in various Crowleyan scribe.
Again I ain't saying some OTO members or fans of Crowley were involved in 9/11. I talk about the syncrhonistic nature of a lot of these events

Flight 77. 77 foot Pentagon. Bockscar 77=Japanese atom bomb plane. 7/7 London. 77 victims of Oslo.

But that's the thing with interpretation...one can say things go either way. I myself don't agree that 9/11 was an "inside job" or the work of neocons.

[8bitagent]

You put a lot of time into this post. Thank you for doing so.

No problem. Again more food for thought, maybe a pet theory.

I also give weight to the theory 9/11 was to sucker America into war for financial implosion...maybe bin Laden truly is a willing NWO agent:)

[8bitagent]

In Eyeno's defense...there's "questionable" intentions or meaning in many fringe political writers that get linked here.

I mean I think secretly or not so secretly curiosity gets the better of us and we may look at an Alex Jones radio guest link. Doesn't mean I support his anti Mexican xenophobia.
Sometimes Larouche type places are the only sites that will publish really interesting food for thought places that many 'left gatekeeper' sites will not.

I find offense not only in the "spot the Jew" conspiracy writing like most of you, but also in completely sloppy articles with no basis in anything tangible and then passed off as an article.
Like that goofy site people linked to with the the "Italian Illuminati speaks out" who turned out to be a Rave DJ. Or when Alex Jones continually had people who claimed to hear "Stand down" orders or saw a black UAV hit the pentagon. Michael Rupert warned about all the(including some of what I post) speculative 9/11 noise.

Unless you link to a leftist peacenik website or writer, you're going to have shades of some things you don't like.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Oh, I give you 93, without question, that's a hit. Score one for Team Thelema. I don't give you AA 93 and I definitely don't get 175. There's a lot of lil' books by Crowley, with a lot of numbers in the titles of each and every one of 'em. They all sound super sinister and Satanic, too, even the lucid essays and the scatological jokes. I'm saying 175 is not impressive as a hit, and neither is 11 or 77. You can make a case drawing from other occult sources for 11 and 77, not such much Crowley. But really, what does any of that matter beyond my own graphomania, right? I'm down here on the ground with tissue paper wings and 2 tons of Burden of Proof in my pockets. Enjoy the view up there.

[Forgetting2]

I'm down here on the ground with tissue paper wings and 2 tons of Burden of Proof in my pockets.

Is that 2 tons of Burden of Proof in your pocket, or are you just happy to see everybody? (Sorry, junior high flashback.)

[8bitagent]

Oh, I give you 93, without question, that's a hit. Score one for Team Thelema. I don't give you AA 93 and I definitely don't get 175. There's a lot of lil' books by Crowley, with a lot of numbers in the titles of each and every one of 'em. They all sound super sinister and Satanic, too, even the lucid essays and the scatological jokes. I'm saying 175 is not impressive as a hit, and neither is 11 or 77. You can make a case drawing from other occult sources for 11 and 77, not such much Crowley. But really, what does any of that matter beyond my own graphomania, right? I'm down here on the ground with tissue paper wings and 2 tons of Burden of Proof in my pockets. Enjoy the view up there.

Again, food for thought. Crowley was a bit of a jokester, and I openly laugh at the Christian nutjobs who think Oprah is the antichrist and see "Devil propaganda everywhere"(well actually its not so funny when they convict an innocent 15 year old to death row for having a Crowley book)

But I'm sure you must get tired of hearing the typical truther rope-a-dope tropes. Cheney! Silverstein! The Mossad, oh my. Hell I once heard a theory China paid and funded bin Laden...in a way China seems to be the big bread winner of 9/11. America just has a frown on its face. Point is, far removed from the human tragedy and tragedy of war that hath brought, 9/11 has become a rorschach parlour game to all of us. (Us as in the general North American public) Leftists use it as casus beli for "blowback lessons", right wingers for "the dangers of Islam"...parapolitickers for "the transnationalist banker pentagon spooks sticking it to us".

If we're all here because of Jeff's food for thought tales...why not look at sept 11th through the prism of the ultimate black psy-op? Though...I also have thought that noone is in control. And all this synchronistic(or things we find to be syncs or "clues") is simply the random rolodex of the universe's sense of humor.

[JackRiddler]

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Gah.

Not going to get into all silliness I see. Just the same old multiple tracks of distraction from either sober fact-finding or a political strategy that could win.

But eyeno, since you can obviously write, you can just as obviously read the woojewtrash you've posted. Doesn't matter if you didn't know the dubiousness of an author (which seems to me rather doubtful, in the LaRouche case). When the text itself gets slammed, on specific and obvious points within it, then you can answer that (agree, disagree, whatever) or get lost. Your sudden development of "golly gee I didn't even know what was in there or who wrote it I'm just an innocent searcher and you're oppressing me" naivete is totally incredible and obviously pretend. Sorry.

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[eyeno]

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Gah.

Not going to get into all silliness I see. Just the same old multiple tracks of distraction from either sober fact-finding or a political strategy that could win.

But eyeno, since you can obviously write, you can just as obviously read the woojewtrash you've posted. Doesn't matter if you didn't know the dubiousness of an author (which seems to me rather doubtful, in the LaRouche case). When the text itself gets slammed, on specific and obvious points within it, then you can answer that (agree, disagree, whatever) or get lost. Your sudden development of "golly gee I didn't even know what was in there or who wrote it I'm just an innocent searcher and you're oppressing me" naivete is totally incredible and obviously pretend. Sorry.

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Not saying I didn't see it. Just saying that it didn't strike me as a huge deal when I posted it. To me it was just a cool bunch of pictures illustrating the twin concept in architecture. I just don't see why it should be such a big deal and that is what I don't understand. I stumbled across it and thought it was a cool illustration. That is all I was thinking when I posted it. I really don't know much about zen gardener. I don't read his site regularly. As far as the larouche thing goes I posted a podcast. In that podcast a person made a one sentence reference to larouche and then went on with the interview. I just don't think its fair to hold me accountable for every single word someone else says or writes. Out of all my posts here I think there have been two articles, if I remember right, that contained subject matter similar to what got this little shit storm started. Its not like I have a habit of doing it regularly. I think it was only one sentence in a long article. I honestly didn't think much about it when I posted it because its not a subject I focus on or think about regularly.