Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[General Patton]

Yeah, it looks like it's a Korean guy.

http://kdvr.com/2012/07/21/police-looki ... -shooting/

Police looking for second “person of interest” in theater shooting

Sources tell FOX31 Denver reporter Justin Joseph that a second man is now a person-of-interest in the Aurora theater shooting investigation. We are not disclosing his identity because he has not been charged.

Person of interest and shooting suspect James Holmes both attended same Colorado university.
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Sources tell Justin Joseph someone made either a call or a text from the person of interest’s phone threatening violence if James Egan Holmes was not released from jail. That call prompted police to issue an alert to find and detain him.
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Anshutz Medical Center confirms he is in their doctorate program, the same program from which Holmes withdrew several months ago.
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Neighbors say he and his roommate left their home hours before the massacre. They haven’t seen him since.

[cptmarginal]

just have to say...tasty stew of data points

Some of it. I feel regret, for jumping right into speculation and bullshit coincidences when we still don't know enough. My main reason for posting was to reiterate that this happened right by some intelligence and defense facilities, in a major intelligence hub (the Denver area.) A Reddit commenter said that an NSA facility was about a mile away, possibly the place mentioned in the Dana Priest article. Also, his neuroscience degree is pretty interesting. Maybe he was planning on working at one of these places. I don't know.

I have of course seen no evidence of this being "staged" or whatever - and have no idea of why he ended up going insane. I've been trying to read through the avalanche of Reddit comments and information, and I find that I don't even feel like continuing. I didn't get too far, anyway. Thinking about it too much makes me feel like a pervert stepped into the room, a creepy feeling. His act is worthless and meaningless for me right now, I'd like to forget about it. I'd much rather wait to see how things turn out than try to find more out myself.

At the end of the day, what bothers me about this is how familiar it was. Clearly, I just resent watching the rest of country going through the initial apophenia shock I've already processed myself -- incompletely, incorrectly and incoherently, no doubt. Still, I have to call a spade a spade: so many of us just don't know shit about shit.

It's appropriate that this happened in a movie theater, because the heuristics most Americans are using to evaluate this incident are drawn 100% from movies they've seen. AKA their only experience with violence.

I noticed that this shocked and viscerally disgusted me much more than last summer's Norway killings did, due to the very direct cultural familiarity

[MacCruiskeen]

Defense officials tell NBC News that two US Air Force reservists and two Navy service members were among those wounded in the overnight shooting spree. One of the Navy service members is missing and presumed dead.

Well, that's absurd. No, it's ridiculous, rather.

There are (don't misunderstand me) only twelve dead. If he's among them, they would very quickly know that he was among them. Twelve dead bodies are not hard to count, especially in a movie theater. If he's not confirmed dead, then why on earth would he be "presumed" dead?

NB: "Defense officials" made a point of making a statement about it to NBC reporters, within hours. Is it standard practice for "defense officials" to rush to tell the hacks that a soldier is "presumed dead", especially when he's the alleged victim of a civilian shooting? I don't think so. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Apologies for bumping my own post. It's mainly the NBC report I'm bumping. But I'm no less baffled than I was yesterday.

Defense officials tell NBC News that two US Air Force reservists and two Navy service members were among those wounded in the overnight shooting spree. One of the Navy service members is missing and presumed dead.

What can that possibly mean?

Believe it or not, I really hate being (or having to be) a "conspiracy theorist", and I'm not actually theorising any conspiracy here. (I'm not "theorising" anything.) I also don't want to make a meal out of some insignificant detail. I would just like to know if anyone can make any sense of the statement given to NBC by those unnamed "defense officials".

How on earth can he be "missing" and "presumed dead" when he wasn't actually found dead in the movie theater? (There were only twelve dead bodies, and they were all in a small enclosed space.)

Again, apologies for the noisy formatting. I don't think it's over-emphatic, though. The line quoted from those "defense officials" just strikes me as completely senseless, not least because they made such extreme haste to say it.

When "defense officials" say something, it's always worth attending to. These particular "defense officials" made a point of giving a very hasty public statement to a news crew, and they were not among the confused and traumatised survivors of the shooting.

[justdrew]

my guess is they concentrated on getting the wounded and dead to hospitals, which they went to multiple of, and worried about IDing everything later, now some delay to make sure the IDs are correct, notify next of kin, etc. I'd guess there will be no "missing" by Monday evening. but yeah, it does sound odd...

[Nordic]

FWIW, I was in pre-med for 2 and a half years, made straight A's, and it started to drive me a little crazy. No exaggeration. It's the reason I stopped and never went back to that stuff.

As far as Colorado, it's always attracted eccentric people. All the way back to the first white folks that adopted it, anyway. I lived there for years and researched quite a bit of its history while I was there. Place is as haunted as fuck, too. In the mountains there are many pockets of deep power, both positive and negative. I had a lot of strange experiences there.

[justdrew]

it may be the stress and overall situation were just too much, I knew a pre-med kid back in the late 80s who wound up getting bad grades, and he couldn't handle it, everything up to that point had been pushing so hard, the failure was just too much to take, he took his own life in the dorm bathroom, all hushed up of course. I wonder how many pre-meds suicide each year? Now-a-days, it's even worse, this fellow probably devoted EVERYTHING his whole life to become a super-doctor achievotron unit. It's so demanding. He did very well, up to a point. Then it looked like everything was doomed, he and/or his family were likely looking at huge debts, with no job prospects anymore, even if they'd had the money, getting back into the program would not have been easy. Rather than deal with it and find a plan B, he went berserk. Would like to know his funding source, was he on loans or was his family footing the bills? Are all those guns and ammo sitting on dad's credit card right now?

some comment from someone who knew him said he'd been working at McDonnalds to "pay for college" well, more likely dad made him get a job while waiting for admission, or he was on his own and needed some income while waiting on loans to come through. How this was all financed will tell a lot.

Could just be he found the program to be MUCH harder than what he was used to, or "something" or someone else happened, but this was also likely his first time far from family.

[8bitagent]

Holmes said to still be deep in his "Joker" persona, acting psychotic in jail.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1119173

Holmes, held under suicide watch in solitary confinement, remained in his murderous “Joker” persona after arriving at the Arapahoe Detention Center, a jailhouse worker told the Daily News.

“Let’s just say he hasn’t shown any remorse,” the employee said. “He thinks he’s acting in a movie.”

The man accused in the midnight theater massacre was still acting bizarrely a day after his rampage at a screening of “The Dark Night Rises” — the last film in the Batman trilogy.

“He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,” one released inmate told The News outside the jail. “He’s spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z21KtQeXee

I don't recall if Loughner or other shooters acted in such a fashion. Perhaps he's still under his own programming.

[alwyn]

FWIW, I was in pre-med for 2 and a half years, made straight A's, and it started to drive me a little crazy. No exaggeration. It's the reason I stopped and never went back to that stuff.

As far as Colorado, it's always attracted eccentric people. All the way back to the first white folks that adopted it, anyway. I lived there for years and researched quite a bit of its history while I was there. Place is as haunted as fuck, too. In the mountains there are many pockets of deep power, both positive and negative. I had a lot of strange experiences there.

Nordic, this is very true; it IS haunted as fuck...and the air force academy is on one of those really strange spots. I don't know, maybe he is the lone crazy shooter, but i really don't like the way the media is hyping for 'more security at theaters'. Maybe the media spin is the conspiracy, but i still have a really bad feeling about this.

[Nordic]

it may be the stress and overall situation were just too much, I knew a pre-med kid back in the late 80s who wound up getting bad grades, and he couldn't handle it, everything up to that point had been pushing so hard, the failure was just too much to take, he took his own life in the dorm bathroom, all hushed up of course. I wonder how many pre-meds suicide each year? Now-a-days, it's even worse, this fellow probably devoted EVERYTHING his whole life to become a super-doctor achievotron unit. It's so demanding. He did very well, up to a point. Then it looked like everything was doomed, he and/or his family were likely looking at huge debts, with no job prospects anymore, even if they'd had the money, getting back into the program would not have been easy. Rather than deal with it and find a plan B, he went berserk. Would like to know his funding source, was he on loans or was his family footing the bills? Are all those guns and ammo sitting on dad's credit card right now?

some comment from someone who knew him said he'd been working at McDonnalds to "pay for college" well, more likely dad made him get a job while waiting for admission, or he was on his own and needed some income while waiting on loans to come through. How this was all financed will tell a lot.

Could just be he found the program to be MUCH harder than what he was used to, or "something" or someone else happened, but this was also likely his first time far from family.

The premed training fucks with your head. You are taught to dehumanize everything. All is about evolutionary pressures, and the results. It takes the beauty out of everything in life. This is difficult to handle. You start looking at every living organism around you simply as the result of millions of years of evolutionary pressures, just so much organized meat. I couldn't even rub my dog's belly without thinking of everything just inside the skin, and why it was there, and how it ended up where it did. I remember one time looking down at my own feet in the shower, and getting completely freaked out by them. One day in Algebra class, looking at my fellow students as non-human, they were organisms, and I was seeing them as an alien from another planet might.

I couldn't even look at a tree as just a beautiful tree. It was a thing, a biological machine, a collection of tubes and cells and functions.

Everything starts looking like an ant. Even yourself. You could squash it and kill it, and what would it matter? In the world they train you to behold, there is no love, no morals, no spirit, no beauty.

[8bitagent]

These sort of data dissemination guessing games and fact stringing never seem to lead anywhere, I'm assuming.

Did anyone crack the case of the 2007 VT Tech shooting? Or Oslo 2011? Or Giffords shooting? I'm not saying absolutely there's no hidden story to tell, but regardless
it seems these events aren't meant to have "aha" moments. Only thing I can infer is the mental health factor, and then a more overall esoteric numerology/topology
look. (VT Tech shooting: 33 dead, Oslo: 77 dead by 33 year old Anders Breivik. Both 1984 San Ysidro Mcdonalds massacre and Oslo 2011 within 2 days either way
of the 7/20 Batman shooting)

[8bitagent]

Also regarding topology, for some reason the main point I remember from David Icke's ham handed yarn "World's Biggest Secret" was a small section where he talks about a very odd bad vibe
he got at Denver International Airport. Even though Colorado is not near the 32/33 degree line, I have long heard of an immense amount of high weirdness regarding the greater Denver area.
In fact I clearly remember a few Red Ice episodes and some RI threads about it from years back.

Perhaps if one is inclined toward speculative forteana, it's not so much CIA black ops at work but a whole other sort of blacker ops. The Northerners have a term called "Wendigo".

[82_28]

Again, look at this image I posted upthread.



Those are the sites of two mass murders separated by 19 years now I guess. Jesus, I'm getting old.

See the Air Force recruiting icon?

[82_28]

FWIW, I was in pre-med for 2 and a half years, made straight A's, and it started to drive me a little crazy. No exaggeration. It's the reason I stopped and never went back to that stuff.

As far as Colorado, it's always attracted eccentric people. All the way back to the first white folks that adopted it, anyway. I lived there for years and researched quite a bit of its history while I was there. Place is as haunted as fuck, too. In the mountains there are many pockets of deep power, both positive and negative. I had a lot of strange experiences there.

Nordic, this is very true; it IS haunted as fuck...and the air force academy is on one of those really strange spots. I don't know, maybe he is the lone crazy shooter, but i really don't like the way the media is hyping for 'more security at theaters'. Maybe the media spin is the conspiracy, but i still have a really bad feeling about this.

Yes. Colorado is haunted by something. I do not know what it is. I know I always feel at a deep unease when I go back. Something just doesn't add up when I go back there. And again, I do not know what it is. . .

[82_28]

The men and women of the Air Force face challenges and stresses most civilians can't imagine. That's why it's crucial to have top-notch psychiatrists available to diagnose, treat and manage the mental health of Airmen around the world. As an Air Force Psychiatrist, you'll be responsible for ensuring your patients get the care and support they need so they can accomplish their mission.

A batman (or batwoman) is a soldier or airman assigned to a commissioned officer as a personal servant. Before the advent of the automobile, an officer's batman was also in charge of the officer's bathorse that carried the packsaddle with his officer's kit during a campaign.

The term is derived from the obsolete bat, meaning "packsaddle" (from French bât, from Old French bast, from Late Latin bastum) + man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%28military%29

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Defense officials tell NBC News that two US Air Force reservists and two Navy service members were among those wounded in the overnight shooting spree. One of the Navy service members is missing and presumed dead.

Well, that's absurd. No, it's ridiculous, rather.

There are (don't misunderstand me) only twelve dead. If he's among them, they would very quickly know that he was among them....

When "defense officials" say something, it's always worth attending to. These particular "defense officials" made a point of giving a very hasty public statement to a news crew, and they were not among the confused and traumatised survivors of the shooting.

A tiny bit more detail on that can be found here: http://ranchobernardo.patch.com/article ... o-10717640

The Department of Defense issued a statement saying Holmes never served in the military. Military personnel, however, are among the casualties.

“One sailor was injured and one, known to have been at the theatre that evening, is currently unaccounted for,” the statement said. “Two airmen were injured in the incident. The Navy and the Air Force are working with the families of these service members to ensure they have the care and attention they need.”

My first thought was that one of them maybe hadn't really gone to the theatre at all, and with his mates' connivance he had instead gone semi-AWOL, using his leave to go and get drunk with some hookers or something equally traditional to the navy instead of watching a Batman premiere. But that article says he (or maybe she) definitely was there on the night.

Purely speculative (and unpleasant) theories here:

The one suspect that we know of is said to have been using a Remington shotgun as well as his other weapons. If he was firing at seated people at close range they could be very badly disfigured, and could even (perhaps) have had their ID shredded by the gunfire. This seems very unlikely, though, and since the Navy is clearly worried about this guy I'm sure they have more to identify him with than just his face or his official ID - they fingerprint everyone who joins the military these days, I think. Maybe they always did. There were also people who apparently weren't killed by gunshots but (I hate to think of this) by the sudden massive rush for the exits, crushing, trampling, etc. That could also be disfiguring.

I know this sounds mad, but is it possible he hid somewhere, and is either still there (which seems ludicrous) or was killed there and just hasn't been found yet? I read that the father of Alex Sullivan was searching for him for 14 hours after the shooting had stopped. The killing all seems to have taken place in one auditorium according to the official narrative, but they also say the shooting lasted a full 15 minutes, and a witness on Five Live earlier tonight was saying that he was turned back by another customer from heading toward both the main lobby and a side exit because, "there are people with guns there." I wish I had a recording of what he said.

The only other explanation I can think of is that people react very strangely to sudden life-or-death threats - like the father who put his baby son on the floor and ran out of the theatre, leaving his young wife to struggle to safety with the kids. He ended up driving around town in a daze or in shock, and only came back later when his wife called him. Maybe the Navy guy ran and doesn't want to be seen as a coward or something?

I don't stand behind any of these ideas, they all seem quite stupid in fact, but they're about the only explanations I can think of.

I suppose it's all moot because now the BBC is saying there were four navy people there, though they were serving at Buckley Air Force base. The two confirmed dead so far are John Larimer, a US Navy cryptologist, and Jesse Childress, an Air Force cyber-systems operator. But the BBC says it is still twelve known deaths.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18941544

I'm probably way behind on all this anyway, though, I haven't been keeping up with the timeline on Reddit or anything like that.