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Postby 82_28 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:03 pm

Add another ring to this circus?

Native Americans and ranchers whose land falls on pathway of pipeline remind Obama administration of their opposition
April 22, 2014 5:09PM ET
by Naureen Khan @naureenindc

WASHINGTON — For a few days, tepees erected by Native Americans and their cowboy allies will frame the view of the Washington Monument from the National Mall.

A group of roughly 60 ranchers, farmers, and tribal leaders and members whose land falls near or on the proposed pathway of the contested Keystone XL pipeline, calling themselves the Cowboy and Indian Alliance, rode into the nation’s capital on horseback Tuesday to set up camp and begin four days of demonstrations to register their protest of the project.

The yet-to-be-approved 1,179-mile pipeline, which would carry crude oil from the tar sands of Canada’s Alberta province to Gulf Coast refineries in Texas, has been mired in controversy, legal challenges and delays for five years.

Critics, many of them environmentalists, say the Keystone XL will only deepen the United States’ dependence on fossil fuels, hasten the effects of climate change (although that contention is disputed) and violate landowners' rights.

Proponents, on the other hand, say its construction will boost the economy, lead to the creation of American jobs and move the country toward energy independence.

Many see the issue as the defining test of President Barack Obama’s commitment to the environment. As a candidate in 2007, he vowed to end “the tyranny of oil.”

In the latest twist, the Obama administration on Friday announced another delay in the approval process, with the State Department giving regulatory agencies a few more months to weigh in on the pipeline. The move delays the final decision until after November’s midterm elections — viewed by most as a purely political decision to avoid fallout that could negatively affect Democrats’ chances in the elections.

The ranchers and Native Americans — about 40 of whom led a procession on horseback before coming to the Mall to set up a camp of tepees — said they wanted to ensure that lawmakers and the Obama administration were hearing them loud and clear about their qualms.

Matthew Black Eagle Man, a 45-year-old member of the Sioux Long Plain First Nation tribe in Manitoba, Canada, said the government’s attempt to build a pipeline on Native American lands continues a long-standing pattern of abuse inflicted on indigenous people.

“For 500 years, our people have been suffering,” he said. “The government gave us the most desolate places in the country for our reservations. Now they want to build a pipeline on our land.”

Black Eagle Man said, too, that Native Americans were committed to being good stewards of the earth’s resources.

“We’re here to help protect the water, our first medicine,” he said. “Our most abundant resource is being destroyed by man.”

Michaelynn Hawk, 53, director of the advocacy organization Indian Peoples Action in Butte, Mont., said she saw a malicious design in the way the Keystone path is plotted.

“Why did they pick the reservations to lay down their pipeline?” she said. “They were probably thinking the indigenous people were not going to stand up.”

Many pointed out the dangers the pipeline posed to the water supply. Keystone, if approved, would cross the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the United States’ largest underground water reserves, carrying corrosive, unrefined tar sand deposits that environmental groups say is more prone to causing leaks.

“I raise horses on a small ranch, and they can’t drink oil. Sooner or later, that thing’s going to leak,” said Mike Blocker, 62, whose ranch is in Antelope County, Neb., directly in the path of the pipeline. “How can you sleep at night knowing that 830,000 pounds of this crap is flowing underground where you live?”

Donna Roller, 62, who owns a farm in York County, Neb., was appalled that more of the public was not up in arms that a foreign oil company — TransCanada, the owner of the pipeline — was marching into the United States and trampling on American land rights.

“What the hell? What is wrong with the American public that they are complacent in this?” she said. “This is a foreign corporation that’s going to make billions off our backs. We won’t allow them to go — we will lay our bodies on the line with the Native Americans.

“We need water, we need food,” she added. “We don’t need tar sands.”

The Cowboy and Indian Alliance has four days of events planned, including documentary screenings, meetings with environmental groups and elected leaders, traditional Native American ceremonies and delivering a tepee painted by the activists to the Museum of the American Indian in honor of Obama, as a sign of respect. The week will culminate in a rally on Saturday that organizers are expecting to attract 5,000 protesters.

Activists Tuesday seemed to acknowledge that they were fighting a perilous and uphill battle against moneyed interests — particularly oil and gas companies.

“They're going to continue to win their battles most of the time,” said Gary Rossi, 60, a protester from Washington who came to show his support. “Every day it doesn't get approved is another little victory.”

Nonetheless, the oil and gas companies say Keystone XL opponents are slowly losing the argument and that the environmental concerns are exaggerated.

“Today's opening ceremony for this week's Keystone XL D.C. protests has to be disappointing for activists given the small turnout — especially since it’s Earth Day,” Matt Dempsey, a spokesman for a coalition of oil industry trade groups and business associations that support the pipeline, said in a statement. “Despite the media hype, Keystone XL opponents are clearly losing momentum.”


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Come the fuck on! "They" are loving it that we have resorted to fond memories presenting .STREET.theater(.mode). I hate to say it, but putting up tepees and riding into town on horses is absolutely absurd. They be playing us all. How did they source the horses they rode in on? Some "cowboys and indians" didn't rope up and gallop across the country from like Wyoming and shit. Everything is being made to appear authentic. In a sense, pitting two supposed "adversaries" insofar as "ideals" on the media's stage.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:23 pm

"Some "cowboys and indians" didn't rope up and gallop across the country from like Wyoming and shit."

Em, yeah, 82, that's exactly what they did.

The Keystone I pipeline ruptured 20 times in its first year of operation. KXLII is a 36" diameter pipeline and if it ruptures nearly a half million gallons will flow out every 15 minutes it's not stopped. And no one notices a pipeline leak within 15 minutes; response time is longer, once noticed.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby 82_28 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:29 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:23 pm wrote:"Some "cowboys and indians" didn't rope up and gallop across the country from like Wyoming and shit."

EM, yeah, 82, that's exactly what they did.

The Keystone I pipeline ruptured 20 times in its first year of operation. KXLII is a 36" diameter pipeline and if it ruptures nearly a half million gallons will flow out every 15 minutes it's not stopped. And no one notices a pipeline leak within 15 minutes; response time is longer, once noticed.


I don't doubt this at all. My point was that it was intended to look fake in the sense of being real. Real being fake in the sense of this Bundy Ranch being real but also fake. Also concommitant on the other side of the fake coin.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby 82_28 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:38 pm

In 1877, Standard clashed with the Pennsylvania Railroad, its chief hauler. Rockefeller had envisioned the use of pipelines as an alternative transport system for oil and began a campaign to build and acquire them.[38] The railroad, seeing Standard’s incursion into the transportation and pipeline fields, struck back and formed a subsidiary to buy and build oil refineries and pipelines.[39] Standard countered and held back its shipments and, with the help of other railroads, started a price war that dramatically reduced freight payments and caused labor unrest as well. Rockefeller eventually prevailed and the railroad sold all its oil interests to Standard. But in the aftermath of that battle, in 1879 the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania indicted Rockefeller on charges of monopolizing the oil trade, starting an avalanche of similar court proceedings in other states and making a national issue of Standard Oil’s business practices.[40]


Not making a point. Just something to chew on. I believe our history is something to be addressed. 30ROCK did in fact fuck us over for generations. Greed with an amount of piety. Good mix.

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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:10 pm

True, I suppose. But these guys are and their action is completely unrelated to Bundy. Perhaps some feel similarly and are sympathetic to his cause, but this is like the spring announcement alerting environmentalists the time for active engagement of civil disobedience to stop the pipeline is nigh.

Perhaps in that way they are the same, with one oppressed by government alone and the other by both, oppressed by the government and big oil.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Nordic » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:58 pm

Critics, many of them environmentalists, say the Keystone XL will
only deepen the United States’ dependence on fossil fuels, hasten
the effects of climate change (although that contention is disputed)
and violate landowners' rights.

Proponents, on the other hand, say its construction will boost the
economy, lead to the creation of American jobs and move the
country toward energy independence.




Just LOOK at that use of language there. Just look at it!!

Classic.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby justdrew » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:05 am

Here's what I don't get...

he owes these fines. Why doesn't the BLM just take him to court, get a (probable) default judgement, then send in the sheriff to evict and take the property?
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Postby IanEye » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:21 am

@ 16:50,
“i just picture these guys in a circle,
eating their own assholes.
‘cause none of it makes sense.”

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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:20 am





Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:02 pm

82_28 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:29 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:23 pm wrote:"Some "cowboys and indians" didn't rope up and gallop across the country from like Wyoming and shit."

EM, yeah, 82, that's exactly what they did.

The Keystone I pipeline ruptured 20 times in its first year of operation. KXLII is a 36" diameter pipeline and if it ruptures nearly a half million gallons will flow out every 15 minutes it's not stopped. And no one notices a pipeline leak within 15 minutes; response time is longer, once noticed.


I don't doubt this at all. My point was that it was intended to look fake in the sense of being real. Real being fake in the sense of this Bundy Ranch being real but also fake. Also concommitant on the other side of the fake coin.


It will be a shame if the folks camping out in DC become identified with Bundy's bunch, though their property rights issues might align. These people do need our support opposing KXL. Because I do not believe Bundy's in the right, as I see it the danger for the peaceable DC protesters is to be labeled as terrorists and believed to be as wrong as Bundy.

Hence, any participating in acts of civil disobedience by citizen activists or environmentalists meant to disrupt the construction of will be treated by governmental enforcement agencies as "domestic terrorists."

And we all know how wonderfully our constitution protects terrorists.

I have a bad feeling this story will drone on indefinitely.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby 82_28 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:26 pm

You know that my homies from Littleton (don't know them) are working on a super satire about this. I'm talking South Park. It will, no doubt, be coming soon.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:50 pm

Well ya better hurry up! I'm sure we'll soon see this played out on South Park.
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Hunter » Fri May 02, 2014 12:13 pm

Sounds like cointelpro to me, where the feds have infiltrated the armed thug groups and spreading paranoid rumors among them. Divide and conquer, actually a pretty crafty move if that is what is going on. Sure looks and sounds like it. They have employed this strategy many many times before with a lot of success, infiltrating radical groups and dividing them up by pushing paranoid conspiracies that some fall for and others dont, effectively splintering groups and weakening them
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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri May 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Hunter, I really don't think this is due to the action of a provocateur, though of course it could be. I tend to think government infiltrators would stay deeply embedded undercover and beyond suspicion. I surely believe government agents and provocateurs have been present all along.

Drew, thanks for that Gawker piece. Makes ya want to laugh, but the pathos of the situation removes all humor and leaves one nonplussed. Or ill.

Never in my life would I believe such an association could ever be made, but here it is...

There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking' their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?


Of course, today's coral refrain would be sung by the unknown provocateurs.



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