Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:19 pm

Would it make a difference to you folks if this was called "America's War On Europe"?

Would that be, like, more polite, or something?

Looking at this board a couple years ago we probably would have seen a shit-ton of fulminating against the adventures of the GWB administration.

Looking too closely at the sequels to those events has suddenly started to make a lot of folks awfully queasy...
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:03 am

Occult Means Hidden » 29 Feb 2016 03:29 wrote:
Refugees are used as bargaining chips. This is the main thrust of the article. The innocent are often used as bargaining chips. I can understand this, but people escaping war, and being labeled as "weaponry" because they escape war?

No. If we give credence to this, we will begin to forget them as people and start thinking of them as a weapon. That's not acceptable. Especially based on the racial insinuations I highlighted above and which no one else seems to want condemn.


I condemned it pages back. As usual no one gave a fuck.

Its easier or preferable to think of people who are refugees as units in whatever superior understanding of deep politics some people who aren't refugees like to think they have, instead of as actual people.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:08 am

semper occultus » 29 Feb 2016 03:22 wrote:
Occult Means Hidden » 28 Feb 2016 08:33 wrote:This thread is about Isreali elites waging war on Europe by purposefully sending migrants into Europe, thereby upending Europe's nations and institutions. Does anyone really believe this is plausible or likely?


.....most posters here thanks to their own research and with a great debt to Alice the Kurious aswell understand Zionism to be far more ( & indeed far stranger ) than just its current dominant exoteric form as right-wing Israeli ethno-nationalism.....with deep roots going back into the history of elite western imperial and geo-political circles, some pretty weird Christian fundamentalists and I would contend very exotic occult groups way beyond that....


Then its not Zionism any more is it. Its something else that intersects with actual Zionism (support for Israel's creation and continued existence) but isn't actually fucking Zionism.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby FourthBase » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:16 am

JackRiddler » 28 Feb 2016 21:10 wrote:
This place is turning less into a tinfoil complement to RevLeft than a leftist twin of Stormshit. Has it always been this way?


What do you mean, leftist? Just because you're on an anti-left kick now, don't confuse it. A lot of these guys who have taken over this board in the last year are Stormshit, isn't it kind of obvious?


As you probably already knew, I was including some longstanding and largely-adored members of the RI cast and crew in my Vague Aspersions. The leftist twinning of Stormshit is more like a Seinfeld bizarro version...but belligerently e-picketing on a completely different side of the street...about the same enemy...using largely the same rhetoric, but sanitized enough with code (not infrequently adapted from your precious glossary of anticapitalism) to just pass the selectively-indulgent, minimum standards of antiracist common law.

It's not just an anti-left kick, it's kicking both bells without muting the one on the left. You just don't like the sound. There are monstrosities that totally belong to your side of the ideological sphere, too, not just coopting impostors and fringe anomalies but mainline rot that goes right to the root, too, no less vile than the right's vilest. That vindictive, manipulative, dehumanizing, genocidal instinct takes up no less space in the left's darkest corners (or balconies or assemblies or committees) than the right's.

There are a couple of genuinely naive older members who buy into any crap that comes out, either out of constant blinding anger (who do I mean?) or because "open mind you never know reality's not what it seems I still hurt from being called a mean name 30 years ago, blah blah why not flat earth, etc." But fellow travelers, morons/dupes, submarines, no excuses. No really, no excuses. No one's this stupid. This is just the Euro-racist populist hate shit-mix rewarmed with a few RI cliches and pretend-Buddhist-mystical-astral-plane-love spritzed on as perfume.


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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:19 am

tapitsbo » 29 Feb 2016 12:19 wrote:Would it make a difference to you folks if this was called "America's War On Europe"?

Would that be, like, more polite, or something?

Looking at this board a couple years ago we probably would have seen a shit-ton of fulminating against the adventures of the GWB administration.

Looking too closely at the sequels to those events has suddenly started to make a lot of folks awfully queasy...


Its not America's war on Europe. Its America's war on arabs. And Africa and Persia. Europeans are just whinging because this is the eventual effect of their generations old policies of colonialisation.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:35 am

It is a notably egregious war on people everywhere including "at home" in places like Israel and the USA (and the UK and France and other centres of these policies) - for some reason people studiously seem to not see the part where the US and USSR literally occupied europe for 70 years, highly relevant to the topic of this thread.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:14 am

tapitsbo » 29 Feb 2016 16:35 wrote:It is a notably egregious war on people everywhere including "at home" in places like Israel and the USA (and the UK and France and other centres of these policies) - for some reason people studiously seem to not see the part where the US and USSR literally occupied europe for 70 years, highly relevant to the topic of this thread.


Germany/Italy isn't Europe and Eastern Europe isn't Europe.

Also - to claim some sort of equivalence between what the US did in Europe since WW2 and what it actually has done across Asia and by proxy in Africa and South America is ridiculous. The living standards of Europeans have risen since the US occupation of small parts of Europe. What are the living standards in Western Asia right now? What about SE Asia 30 years ago?

War on Europe my arse.

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:07 am

I'm having trouble following what you're saying... at least the articles slad linked addressed what's currently going on in Africa. You mentioned Persia which has weathered brutal hostility but seems to have a good sense of direction currently. I see europe remaining peaceful only with political changes, sounds like some people here have their fingers crossed for escalation

Europeans moved out of their colonies and the centre of direction for the proxies you mentioned did indeed shift to places like the us and israel, the anglosphere in general i am ashamed to say. The anglosphere that is prosperous but run by an extremely backwards set of elites

Who has bases all over the world? Not places like eastern european countries that are currently being ripened for conflict like in ukraine

I can't say i agree with everything o'colmain says but it's at least up to date
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:02 am

Its not up to date its fucken bollocks.

If you don't understand what I mean try this:

America is not waging war on Europe. Neither is Israel. As for Zionists. They don't even exist by the definitions some people apply to them.

With the exception of one place, and that was under the guise of NATO, the US hasn't bombed Europe since WW2 and even that was pretty tame compared to ongoing drone warfare and the combat operations in the middle east. Or the bombing of civillians throughout SE Asia.
US influence in the internal politics of Europe is minimal or non existent compared to places like Chile, Central America, Central Africa, the Indonesian archipelago over time.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:27 am

Well I would certainly agree with some of what you said and so would O'Colmain

Zionists not existing is rich, especially from someone in the anglosphere like I am. How can you call anything bollox?

The combat operations in MENA are very much related to this thread.

Are places like Vietnam and Indonesia en route to collapse in the near future like much of europe and the middle east? I don't think so.

You talk about this stuff like you have a revenge fantasy about it. I can't stop you from having one but it is illustrative
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:14 am

tapitsbo » 29 Feb 2016 19:27 wrote:Well I would certainly agree with some of what you said and so would O'Colmain

Zionists not existing is rich, especially from someone in the anglosphere like I am. How can you call anything bollox?

The combat operations in MENA are very much related to this thread.

Are places like Vietnam and Indonesia en route to collapse in the near future like much of europe and the middle east? I don't think so.

You talk about this stuff like you have a revenge fantasy about it. I can't stop you from having one but it is illustrative


Of what? That I'm an angry cunt? I don't think that's news to anyone that's posted here for the last 10 years.

Zionism is support for the ongoing existence of Israel. In any form. But that is all. If you are a supporter of Israel who happens to do something in the field of finance or whatever that screws people over or involves violence and conflict those actions suddenly aren't Zionism because of what you do in support of Israel. While originally it was a jewish nationalist movement with non jewish supporters, these days the term can be used to cover anyone who supports the ongoing existence of Israel, jewish or not.

However upthread someone else tried to define Zionism as ... pretty much everything thats wrong with the world as caused by jews ... ok thats potentially harsh, maybe ... specifically by a whole lot of stuff that wasn't actually support for the continued existence of Israel.

Under that definition the word "Zionism" is inherently meaningless.

If you want to point out why something is Zionism you need to be able to show why it benefits the ongoing existence of Israel.

So why does the flooding of with suicide bombs Europe benefit Israel? How does "destroying Europe" benefit Israel? Or supporters of its ongoing existence in maintaining its ongoing existence?

Are you suggesting that a European nationalist backlash and the accompanying swing toward nationalist policies, one that could be violent, would in any way benefit Israel? if so do you even do history? Really why would you think that?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:04 am

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At first glance, the U.S. decision to escalate the war in Vietnam in the mid-1960s, China's position on North Korea's nuclear program in the late 1990s and early 2000s, and the EU resolution to lift what remained of the arms embargo against Libya in the mid-2000s would appear to share little in common. Yet each of these seemingly unconnected and far-reaching foreign policy decisions resulted at least in part from the exercise of a unique kind of coercion, one predicated on the intentional creation, manipulation, and exploitation of real or threatened mass population movements.
In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states' behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.
This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation. The theory is further illustrated and tested in a variety of case studies from Europe, East Asia, and North America. To help potential targets better respond to—and protect themselves against—this kind of unconventional predation, Weapons of Mass Migration also offers practicable policy recommendations for scholars, government officials, and anyone concerned about the true victims of this kind of coercion—the displaced themselves.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:42 am

It’s illegal for U.S. officials to talk about Israel’s nuclear arsena


Israel never signed up to the 1968 NPT so could not violate it.


Israel has as many as 100 nuclear warheads and systems to deliver them


U.S. officials don’t mention them under a 1969 agreement

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:54 am

Zionist Propaganda and Deception
by Richard Hugus / February 27th, 2016

There is an interesting kind of inversion in Zionist propaganda whereby the thing the Zionist accuses his enemy of doing, he is doing himself. Sometimes it is called projection, but in this case it is not a psychological flaw; it is done consciously for the purpose of deceit. So another word seems appropriate. Here is a case in point.

On February 22, 2016 a group called Americans for Peace and Tolerance held a news conference at the State House in Providence, in which they urged Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo to take back an offer she made last November welcoming Syrian refugees coming to the state.

This group, which claims to promote peace and tolerance, is an active supporter of Israel, which has for its entire history brought war to the world by demonizing Arabs and Muslims. When one of the most recent wars – in Syria — creates refugees, the group makes a stand for tolerance by holding a press conference to declare that Syrian refugees should not be tolerated. According to spokesman Charles Jacobs, the refugees “may pose significant dangers to Rhode Islanders, especially to the Jewish community here.” So, the people who created the wars, which in turn created the refugees, now want to be protected from having to be exposed to the refugees they created.

Americans for Peace and Tolerance are not Americans; they’re Israelis. They’re not for peace, but war. They’re not tolerant; they’re intolerant. They accuse others of hatred and violence when in fact this is their own stock in trade.

Reporting on the press conference by the Providence Journal and the Brown Daily Herald failed to point out that Americans for Peace and Tolerance is a Zionist front working for Israel. Its founder and only prominent member is Charles Jacobs, who has founded and provided the membership for other similar groups for the same purpose. These include CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting (promoting Zionist media analysis), the David Project (promoting Zionist campus activism), and the American Anti-Slavery Group (promoting the Zionist attack on Sudan).

If there is a threat posed by refugees coming to the US from the Middle East, it is not that the refugees hate Jews here and wish to do them harm; it is that they understand from long experience what Zionism has done to their people, culture, and lands in the name of the Jewish state, and that they can bring this understanding to people in the US who know nothing about it. This could be all the more harmful because critical financial, military, and diplomatic aid comes from the US. Of particular worry would be refugees and leaders from Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, or Sudan able to reach, talk to, and educate regular people in the US who have no idea of the racist genocide the US government is supporting. Wherever outspoken Arabs and Muslims have spoken up in New England, they have been attacked by the FBI, immigration authorities, and the court system until they are silenced by jail or deportation. Amer Jubran and Tarek Mehanna are two such examples.

On February 22, Charles Jacobs told the Brown Daily Herald: “Syrian schools teach the country’s children a hatred of the West — “especially of Jews.”

In the Comment section of the Providence Journal Jacobs says:

Here is a study that shows that Syrians learn to despise Jews in schoolrooms across the country. They also learn about being jihadis, anti-Chrisian, and anti-democracy. The reporter got several studies from me, but declined to look at them. SO let the reader decide: http://www.impact-se.org/docs/reports/S ... ia2001.pdf

The study cited was put out in June 2001 by the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace, another friendly sounding group, based in Israel. The Center is described by Miftah as “a Jewish organization with links to extremist and racist Israeli groups that advocate settlement activities in the Palestinian territories, expulsion (transfer) of Palestinians from their homeland, and claims that Palestinians are all ‘”terrorists” and that peace with them is not possible.”

The Executive Summary of the study lists a number of offensive positions taken in the Syrian school curriculum. For example:

“Zionism is depicted as a racist and aggressive movement based on false assumptions that the Jews are one people connected to Palestine. Zionism exploits the Jewish religion in order to exercise control over vast areas of the Arab homeland.”

This is supposed to be the outrageous hate speech in Syrian textbooks. In fact, it’s the truth.

One Itamar Marcus is cited for his work in preparing the study. According to Sourcewatch, “in recent years Marcus has been making a living translating and disseminating defamatory communications against Israel, extracted by his staff from Palestinian publications. Marcus, a settler, used to work for David Bar Illan, Benjamin Netanyahu’s PR chief.”

Below are other examples cited in the study as outrageous teaching of hatred in Syrian textbooks:

“An Arab people is uprooted from its land and incoming strangers are used by Imperialism and Zionism as a tool of oppression against the liberation movements in the region.” (Reader and Literary Texts, Grade 7, p. 207)

“Our land was invaded by alien people who had come from distant lands…” (Reader, Grade 5, pt. 2, p. 45)

“The Zionists…had homes in their distant homelands… [but] the oppressors insisted on taking our own home.” (“The Small Lemon Tree,” Short Stories, Grade 5, p. 12)

All true, and richly so. It would be a good antidote to the ignorance about Israeli racism in the US if such textbooks could be brought into US schools. We should be thankful to the study authors for letting us know about them.

Underscoring another method of Israeli propaganda — the importance of constant fear, The Brown Daily Herald reports:

“We will not bow to tyranny and evil,” said former U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-MI, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who joined Americans for Peace and Tolerance at the State House. “There will be no more Boston massacres, no more San Bernardinos.”

This is where Israeli propaganda dovetails with highly charged political events staged by darker forces within the Israel and US governments. The real Boston massacre was in 1770; the fake Boston massacre was in 2013. San Bernardino was also a false flag. So was 9–11. These events are now earning their keep by becoming valid coin in support of the war on terror. Their purpose was to undergird the phoniest war in human history, as planned by the neocons working for Israel in the US. Without these staged events, Rep. Hoekstra would have no sound bite, and Americans for Peace and Tolerance would have no fear with which to threaten us.

Israeli propaganda is conducted with a sophisticated understanding of human psychology and culture. Its inversion of reality mixes us up by confronting us with the unthinkable. Would an organization professing noble goals actually promote lies? Could people who claim to be victims actually be aggressors? Could people in positions of authority plan massive attacks on innocent people in order to make us hate their political enemy? Could that enemy have been created out of whole cloth for decades on end? Could someone who says they’re against hate actually be in the business of causing hate? Could people smeared with the “canards” of owning the banks and media actually be guilty of these canards? Were these canards defined as such in order to pre-empt accusation? Could government officials who appear to be sane actually be psychopaths capable of committing false flags? Is it crazy to believe these things when the rest of the world apparently doesn’t?

According the the corporate press, one of the alleged attackers during the November 13, 2015 Paris false flag allegedly said, “This is for Syria!” Here is the feat: Get the public to associate a monstrous mass murder with the legitimate cause of Syria, a nation under relentless outside attack, and you destroy any sympathy for that cause, vilify anyone who might speak in favor of it, justify unheard-of police repression, and further the original war on terror, all at the same time. A complete and utterly cynical deception.

Israeli agents such as Charles Jacobs exploit the meme of victimhood established long ago for Jewish people in order to further the attack being carried out by Zionists against those who really are victims – in this case, the Syrians who have had to flee their attacks, their attempt to steal more Arab land, and, it would seem, their attempt to rule the world.


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