How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon May 19, 2014 7:08 pm

North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Fracking Chemicals | Mother Jones
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As hydraulic fracturing ramps up around the country, so do concerns about its health impacts. These concerns have led 20 states to require the disclosure of industrial chemicals used in the fracking process.

North Carolina isn't on that list of states yet—and it may be hurtling in the opposite direction.

On Thursday, three Republican state senators introduced a bill that would slap a felony charge on individuals who disclosed confidential information about fracking chemicals. The bill, whose sponsors include a member of Republican party leadership, establishes procedures for fire chiefs and health care providers to obtain chemical information during emergencies. But as the trade publication Energywire noted Friday, individuals who leak information outside of emergency settings could be penalized with fines and several months in prison.

"The felony provision is far stricter than most states' provisions in terms of the penalty for violating trade secrets," says Hannah Wiseman, a Florida State University assistant law professor who studies fracking regulations.

The bill also allows companies that own the chemical information to require emergency responders to sign a confidentiality agreement. And it's not clear what the penalty would be for a health care worker or fire chief who spoke about their experiences with chemical accidents to colleagues.

"I think the only penalties to fire chiefs and doctors, if they talked about it at their annual conference, would be the penalties contained in the confidentiality agreement," says Wiseman. "But [the bill] is so poorly worded, I cannot confirm that if an emergency responder or fire chief discloses that confidential information, they too would not be subject to a felony." In some sections, she says, "That appears to be the case."

The disclosure of the chemicals used to break up shale formations and release natural gas is one of the most heated issues surrounding fracking. Many energy companies argue that the information should be proprietary, while public health advocates counter that they can't monitor for environmental and health impacts without it. Under public pressure, a few companies have begun to report chemicals voluntarily.

North Carolina has banned fracking until the state can approve regulations. The bill introduced Thursday, titled the Energy Modernization Act, is meant to complement the rules currently being written by the North Carolina Mining & Energy Commission.

Wiseman adds that, other than the felony provision, the bill proposes disclosure laws similar to those in many other states: "It allows for trade secrets to remain trade secrets, it provides only limited exceptions for reasons of emergency and health problems, and provides penalties for failure to honor the trade secret."

Draft regulations from the North Carolina commission have been praised as some of the strongest fracking rules in the country. But observers already worry that the final regulations will be significantly weaker. In early May, the commission put off approving a near-final chemical disclosure rule because Haliburton, which has huge stakes in the fracking industry, complained the proposal was too strict, the News & Observer reported.

For portions of the Republican-controlled North Carolina government to kowtow to the energy industry is not surprising. In February, the Associated Press reported that under Republican Gov. Pat McCrory, North Carolina's top environmental regulators previously thwarted three separate Clean Water Act lawsuits aimed at forcing Duke Energy, the largest electricity utility in the country, to clean up its toxic coal ash pits in the state. Had those lawsuits been allowed to progress, they may have prevented the February rupture of a coal ash storage pond, which poured some 80,000 tons of coal ash into the Dan River.

"Environmental groups say they favor some of the provisions [in the Energy Modernization Act]," Energywire reported Friday. "It would put the state geologist in charge of maintaining the chemical information and would allow the state's emergency management office to use it for planning. It also would allow the state to turn over the information immediately to medical providers and fire chiefs."

However, environmentalists point out that the bill would also prevent local governments from passing any rules on fracking and limit water testing that precedes a new drilling operation.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Sounder » Mon May 19, 2014 7:21 pm

Hey thanks 82-28 for stepping in to try to be the voice of reason.

Unfortunately this AGW conformity inducing psy-op works like a charm on progressive folk. Queer that. Corporate operators have found a way to harmonize trading rules between countries by using the misguided aspirations of progressives to build a new and higher level for governance.

Can you spell---PAY DAY!! Yeah baby.

Juicy, the effective neutering of all kinds of regional attempts for self-determination.

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Ben is right, Papa IPCC is yet one more device to support normative thinking and our vertical authority distribution system.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby smiths » Tue May 20, 2014 1:58 am

why does the new CAGW religion get a pass and old time religion not?


this question answers itself

Bens location tells you more than anything else about how he forms his fascinating views, Rupert controls the media, Big mining controls politics and the economy and environmentalism is for poofters, eh Ben?

most of these issues are far less complicated than people make out,

one team, overwhelmingly made up of rich people, makes money out of selling resources, pollution, deception, corruption, and political control

the other, overwhelmingly poor, makes no money, offers their own time to fight for everyones rights to a healthy biosphere

one of them promotes propagandised thinking and a vertical authority distribution system

can you guess which one kids?

the board has rules about personal attacks and they are generally right, but all rules have limits

Ben is a trolling time-wasting dishonest fuckstick who doesn't have enough brains to realize he works for the darkness, may he rot in hell
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Tue May 20, 2014 2:47 am

...so much for your good attempt 82_28...

...and another interesting thing about the pro-UN one world government folk Sounder...they all appear to be prone to poopy mouth paroxysms when meeting independent thinking people...they must be paining.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby slimmouse » Tue May 20, 2014 3:50 am

I would say Smiths that identifying what is wrong with our planet is fairly simple.

Its in reaching a consensus, minus the lies traps and deceptions that are older than the hllls where the problem truly lies.

People need to understand and end the money deception, and the war deception principally.

All wars are nothing to do with principles and everything to do with resources and control. In this case it's oil, which backs up their fiat paper house of cards.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue May 20, 2014 10:28 am

We environmentalists are winning. It feel so good.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue May 20, 2014 11:20 am

In California, Climate Issues Moved to Fore by Governor
By JENNIFER MEDINA MAY 19, 2014

LOS ANGELES — Portraying California as the front line of climate change, Gov. Jerry Brown said Monday that the effects of man-made global warming were devastating the state, drawing a direct link between climate change and both the record-setting drought that has left the state parched and the early-season wildfires that broke out across California last week. He declared that people must find a way “to live with nature, not collide with it.”

Saying that California was at the “epicenter” of the impact of climate change, Mr. Brown said that states and nations in general were “not on a sustainable path” when it came to global warming and the harsh weather patterns and other problems it brings.

“We have to adapt because the climate is changing,” Mr. Brown said in a speech to scientists gathered in Sacramento for a conference on the drought’s impact on state agriculture. “Now there’s no doubt that the evidence has been strong for quite a while, and it is getting even stronger.”

Mr. Brown has made battling climate change one of the centerpieces of his tenure, traveling as far as China to marshal support for efforts to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. He has pressed for continued enforcement of the state’s cap-and-trade program — which places limits on emissions from major polluters — despite some critics’ calls to scale back amid the weak economy. And he has repeatedly criticized Congress for not doing enough to take action.

Mr. Brown is at the forefront of governors across the country who are grappling with ways to deal with climate change through legislation and infrastructure changes, rather than waiting for coordinated efforts from the federal government. Governors from states including Maryland, New York and Washington are pushing for ways to combat what they say are dangerous threats to their state’s economic and environmental future, citing worries of rising sea levels, drought and snowmelt.

Eight states so far have passed legislation calling for the reduction of carbon emissions in the coming decades, though none with plans as ambitious as California’s. Nine Northeastern states along with California have adopted cap-and-trade policies for the largest greenhouse-gas-emitting industries.

Last month, Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington signed an executive order to create a cap-and-trade program similar to California’s and updating the state’s emission limits.

“This is not a hypothetical thing for governors on the West Coast — this is fire alarms and floods,” Mr. Inslee said Monday in a telephone interview. “It’s not a next-century issue. This is a next half-hour issue.”

Some East Coast leaders have also sounded alarms: In New York, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has praised proposals to improve state utilities to reduce emissions and has begun to issue warnings to investors in the state that climate change poses a long-term risk to the state’s finances.

Gathering support from other state and national leaders for stricter environmental regulations has been a cornerstone of Mr. Brown’s efforts. This summer, he plans to travel to Mexico as part of a trade mission and plans to press leaders there to sign a pledge to reduce greenhouse gases.

California officials are also preparing what many predict will be the worst wildfire season in the state’s history. The state plans to spend roughly $242 million on the wildfires this year, but Mr. Brown has warned that it might not be enough in coming years. And the record-level drought this year is expected to cost California’s agricultural industry $1.7 billion and cause about 14,500 workers to lose their jobs, according to a forecast released by the University of California, Davis.

In an effort to start “aligning our economy and our way of life in California with the demands of nature as we now understand them scientifically,” as Mr. Brown put it, he intends by 2025 to have about 1.5 million electric cars on California’s roads — a fraction of the state’s 32 million vehicles, but a big step nonetheless. The goal will require cooperation from other states to encourage the purchase of such vehicles. In his remarks on Monday, Mr. Brown said that drivers in the state traveled about 332.3 billion miles last year.

Mr. Brown added that the state was only “1 percent” of the problem globally.

“We have to get other states and other nations on a similar path forward,” he said, “and that is enormously difficult because it requires different political jurisdiction, different political values, to unite around this one challenge of making a sustainable future.”

Robert B. Gunnison contributed reporting from Sacramento.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue May 20, 2014 1:29 pm

slim, Ben, How about you two answer a few of the questions I've asked you each directly.

Ben aside for blaming the Sun, you have offered no explanation for the warming we've experienced.

A 17 year pause in warming has been explained more than once.

Some jackasses actually believe the politics of governments are not controlled by businessmen and blame those fighting and opposed to their power and politics and those working to protect our health as being their enablers. Bizarre!
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue May 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Emissions from 10 food and drinks companies 'higher than Nordics'
Cereal and softdrinks brands among top polluters singled out in Oxfam report for not doing enough on climate

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theguardian.com, Tuesday 20 May 2014 01.00 EDT

The ‘big 10’ global food and drink companies together emit more greenhouse gases than the Nordic countries and would rank as the 25th most polluting country in the world if grouped together, the international charity and agency Oxfam claims in a new report on Tuesday.

In a highly critical overview of their climate change policies, it warns the companies – which represent the world’s most famous household brands – that they are risking financial ruin if they do not do more to use their clout and size to tackle the climate crisis.

The companies are Associated British Foods, Coca-Cola, Danone, General Mills, Kellogg, Mars, Mondelez International, Nestlé, PepsiCo and Unilever.

The new report, Standing on the Sidelines, says together they churn out more than Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland’s annual total of 250 million tons of greenhouse gases, according to its analysis of the Carbon Disclosure Project for company emissions and the most recent data for country emissions.

Oxfam insists the companies are capable of cutting their combined emissions by 80 million tons by 2020 and says they are not doing enough despite the threat climate change poses to the sustained supply of ingredients needed for their products, their economic might and the need to feed a growing population. Between them, they generate £650m ($1.1bn) a day in revenues, equivalent to the total GDP of all the world’s lower income countries.

Oxfam singled out Kellogg and General Mills as two of the worst on climate change policies and is calling on these “clear laggards” to lead the sector towards more responsible policies and practices.

Both have huge UK food businesses – Kellogg best-known for its Corn Flakes and Rice Crispies cereals and General Mills for Haagen-Dazs and Jus-Rol – and Oxfam urges them to disclose their agricultural emissions and biggest polluting suppliers, and set targets to cut emissions from their supply chains.

Climate change is linked to storms, floods, droughts and shifting weather patterns, which affect food supplies and put pressure on prices, causing more hunger and poverty. Oxfam projects that the price of products like corn flakes could spike by up to 44% in 15 years because of climate change.

Oxfam’s director of UK campaigns and policy Sally Copley said: “By failing to cut emissions adequately the ‘big 10' are putting short-term profits ahead of the long-term interests of both themselves and the rest of us. Their influence and wealth are the perfect ingredients to stop putting their businesses at risk and making climate change worse."

Kellogg said: “Kellogg is committed to doing what’s right for the environment and society. As part of this commitment, we are working to reduce greenhouse gas emissions – along with energy use and water use – by 15–20% at our manufacturing facilities by 2015. Oxfam has recognised our commitment to working with global palm oil suppliers to source fully traceable palm oil, produced in a manner that’s environmentally responsible, socially beneficial, and economically viable."

General Mills said: "Climate Change is a serious issue, and as a food company we are very aware of the impact that climate change could have on agriculture and the world’s food supply. General Mills has been actively engaged in positively influencing climate policy and has been taking steps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in its operations for many years."
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby 82_28 » Tue May 20, 2014 5:08 pm



Oh I don't know about that. From what I understand, Nordic's a pretty big guy.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Tue May 20, 2014 5:17 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed May 21, 2014 3:29 am wrote:slim, Ben, How about you two answer a few of the questions I've asked you each directly.

Ben aside for blaming the Sun, you have offered no explanation for the warming we've experienced.

A 17 pause in warming has been explained more than once.

Some jackasses actually believe the politics of governments are not controlled by businessmen and blame those fighting and opposed to their power and politics and those working to protect our health as being their enablers. Bizarre!


Iam...the Sun is the source of the warmth of the Earth as you know......radiation, conduction, and convection distributes the heat..there are many reasons for the Earth's temperature to have warmed in the late 20rh century...Solar TSI variation, Solar Magnetic field variations, Ocean oscillations (El Nino, etc.), CO2/GHG....

Sure Iam, there have been many explanations for the pause, but none of them can be proven scientifically....they are just that..excuses...the ocean ate my global warming, etc.. They also highlight the fact that the models are wrong as these effects that are now being put forward as a reason for the pause were not factored into the models. Now if you believe in them...please list each reason the pause in warming has occurred and we can examine them together.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Elihu » Tue May 20, 2014 5:18 pm

the politics of governments are not controlled by businessmen


and the "carbon" tax would be controlled by?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Elihu » Tue May 20, 2014 5:23 pm

and blame those fighting and opposed to their power and politics
via the gov they control?
and those working to protect our health as being their enablers.
via the gov they control you would be wouldn't ya?

Bizarre!
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Sounder » Tue May 20, 2014 7:14 pm

Some jackasses actually believe the politics of governments are not controlled by businessmen and blame those fighting and opposed to their power and politics and those working to protect our health as being their enablers. Bizarre!


Who's the Jackass that does not believe business controls govt.?

I want to meet that person and help set him straight.

Refer to my post this morning at the Freud abuse thread.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38086

Certainly you cannot think then that I believe that business does not control govt.

Teach the world to sing in perfect harmony Iam.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed May 21, 2014 1:02 am

Ben, the questions I asked were not answered. Please try harder.

You fools will be the death of all of us. You wish for chaos rather than the well being of billions. If you are not working for dark forces, you heads are fucked up.

Hum it for me, Sounder. I don't know the words. And while you at it, shove that sick prick Freud up you ass. We're done. Fucking twit!

DO nothing now and you will wind up with the world you fear, with your movements controlled and dictated by homeland security forces, just like Katrina, only much worse.

slim, I wrote quite a bit for your benefit and asked you several questions you have not answered. While waiting for your answers to my questions you have commented on what others have written. DO you have any interest in continuing this discussion in a civil manner?

Oh, and Elihu, your troll like behavior of showing up every couple of months to drop deposit your barbs before disappearing again, we have nothing to discuss. I can learn nothing beneficial from you.
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