Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Iamwhomiam]

"Project Willow"
My first question was, how did this family manage to immigrate? It's not easy. And the uncle, his background and potential ties are a huge red flag.

Oil connections. Note the year of immigration.

[Project Willow]

I heard last night on the news that they had been granted asylum, but I can only find right-wing sources for this info.

According to the brother's uncle, the family emigrated to the United States from Kyrgystan in 2003 and were granted asylum.

[brainpanhandler]

And to those arguing that it wasnt martial law in Boston, fine ill concede your point, it wasnt martial law, but, really, that is just semantics, the point is a PRECEDENT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, if you understand the legal power of precedent and what it means then you should be concerned, very concerned, about the precedent that was set in Boston last week.

WHY? Very concerned about what? Your reaction is overwrought if you ask me, appearing locked into a paranoid verging on delusional cooked and crooked info stream and it is radically biasing your perceptions. Consider that possibility. Exercise some freedom of thought. Did you even read the post showing how minimally troublesome the search was? Do you not see OVER AND OVER AGAIN Lying hysterical voices overstating everything, turning the police response wildly into something it was not?

it's okay Drew. If you don't see it as alarming and dangerous, then so be it. You are willing to be the next innocent person who gets accused, spied on, locked down, shamed, arrested, spit on, scrutinized, dragged through the mud, disappeared, held without charge, etc as long as you know it's all for the "greater good". If you're okay with that then great.

I really dislike that sort of patronizing argumentation.

What do you think would have been an acceptable police response?

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Guiliani: No way these brothers acted alone.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2321398168001/

It's kind of interesting seeing the right wing take up the questioning role. In some ways I kind of agree with the questions; tho they then try and shoe-horn this extra judicial patriot act nonsense.

It's probably more of a crypto-anti-immigrant thing with Giuliani. That's his specialty. There wasn't a taxi-driver in the city who didn't loathe and despise him, back in the day. They were his favorite non-native punching bag, he was always making a show of piling more fines and restrictions on them. And yet, traffic never got better, somehow.

My guess would be that it was always LE's working assumption that the perps were amateurs who lived here, for reasons I'm sure Giuliani knows, being an ex-DA:

* No disguises or other measures taken to avoid getting caught by security cameras.
* Target with no iconic value for non-Americans.

That just doesn't say "scary, professionally trained and drilled jihadi on a mission." It says:



Not that I would have ever thought of it in advance.

The bomb-making is the only thing that maybe suggests guidance. But not by so much that having a dad who was a mechanic and some high-school chemistry doesn't take care of it, if one of them was handy that way.

[elfismiles]

Lots of links in these articles...

Who is “Misha”? – Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Rasputin
Justin Raimondo, April 23, 2013
http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/04/23/mikh ... -rasputin/

The Russians Warned Us – Why Didn’t We Listen?
Our anti-Russian foreign policy trumped security concerns
by Justin Raimondo, April 24, 2013
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013 ... we-listen/

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the guy who radicalized and more or less mind controlled the elder brother..?

It's not really mind control. But I'm not really joking, either.

[MacCruiskeen]

Guiliani: No way these brothers acted alone.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2321398168001/

If Rudy "911, 911, 911" Guiliani says there's "no way these brothers acted alone," then they probably did.

You're too generous. If Rudy "911, 911, 911" Guiliani says there's "no way these brothers acted alone," then you can be pretty damn confident that they did not act at all. Why, he's every bit as trustworthy as our old pal Source, who certainly gets around:

Source: Boston bomb suspect says brother was brains behind attack

Young Joker, by contrast, was the brawn, apparently:

Tsarnaev had been shot in the head, neck, legs [plural] and one hand, according to an FBI affidavit supporting the charges. He had lost a lot of blood and may have hearing loss from two flash-bang devices used to draw him out of the boat, the source said...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/22/us/bo ... index.html

Ouch. Not that those multiple gunshot wounds remotely bothered young Dzhokhar, who can now be added to our ever-lengthening list of Superstudents:



Whaddaguy! Not so much a Joker as an actual invulnerable Terminator.

[elfismiles]

Oh FFS!

the guy who radicalized and more or less mind controlled the elder brother..?

It's not really mind control. But I'm not really joking, either.

[elfismiles]

Chambliss: Law enforcement agency may have had info about Boston bombing in advance (Video)
Updated: 7:39 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013 | Posted: 6:23 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013
VIDEO LINK: http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/law-en ... ore/vyr3J/

WASHINGTON —
Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss told Channel 2 Action News late Tuesday afternoon that a law enforcement agency may have had information in advance of the Boston bombings that wasn't properly shared.

"There now appears that may have been some evidence that was obtained by one of the law enforcement agencies that did not get shared in a way that it could have been. If that turns out to be the case, then we have to determine whether or not that would have made a difference," Chambliss said.

Though Chambliss would not get into specifics on the information or whether or not the bombing could have been prevented, he told Channel 2 Action News that they will find out if someone dropped the ball.

"Information sharing between agencies is critical. And we created the Department of Homeland Security to supervise that. We created the National Counter Terrorism Center to be the collection point for all of this information, and we're going to get to the bottom of whether or not somebody along the way dropped the ball on some information and did not share it in a way that it should have been shared."

The Senate Intelligence Committee panel was briefed by federal law enforcement officials Tuesday as well. Members of the panel said there is "no question" that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "the dominant force" behind the Boston attacks, and that him and his brother had apparently been radicalized by material on the Internet rather than by contact with militant groups overseas.

Younger brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's condition was upgraded from serious to fair as investigators continued building their case against the 19-year-old college student. He could face the death penalty after being charged Monday with joining forces with his brother, now dead, in setting off the shrapnel-packed pressure-cooker bombs that killed three people.

Based on preliminary written interviews with Dzhokar in his hospital bed, U.S. officials believe the brothers were motivated by their religious views. It has not been clear, however, what those views were.

Martin Richard, a schoolboy from Boston's Dorchester neighborhood who was the youngest of those killed in the April 15 blasts at the marathon finish line, was laid to rest after a family-only funeral Mass.

"The outpouring of love and support over the last week has been tremendous," the family said in a statement. "This has been the most difficult week of our lives."

A funeral was also held for Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier, 26, who authorities said was shot to death by the Tsarnaev brothers on April 18.

A memorial service for Collier was scheduled for Wednesday at MIT, with Vice President Joe Biden expected to attend.

More than 260 people were injured by the bomb blasts. About 50 were still hospitalized.

The Associated Press contributed to this article

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/ch ... -ab/nXT7x/

[Iamwhomiam]

Please! No more Alex Jones photographs!

Sim wrote, "Third, I think conspiracy theories can be dangerous..."

I don't think conspiracy theories can be dangerous, but some theorizing certainly is.

[Canadian_watcher]

And to those arguing that it wasnt martial law in Boston, fine ill concede your point, it wasnt martial law, but, really, that is just semantics, the point is a PRECEDENT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, if you understand the legal power of precedent and what it means then you should be concerned, very concerned, about the precedent that was set in Boston last week.

WHY? Very concerned about what? Your reaction is overwrought if you ask me, appearing locked into a paranoid verging on delusional cooked and crooked info stream and it is radically biasing your perceptions. Consider that possibility. Exercise some freedom of thought. Did you even read the post showing how minimally troublesome the search was? Do you not see OVER AND OVER AGAIN Lying hysterical voices overstating everything, turning the police response wildly into something it was not?

it's okay Drew. If you don't see it as alarming and dangerous, then so be it. You are willing to be the next innocent person who gets accused, spied on, locked down, shamed, arrested, spit on, scrutinized, dragged through the mud, disappeared, held without charge, etc as long as you know it's all for the "greater good". If you're okay with that then great.

I really dislike that sort of patronizing argumentation.

What do you think would have been an acceptable police response?

gee, I don't know - the same one they've always used, maybe? Search the city and NOT assume that ordinary citizens would open their doors to terrorists and then treat them like they had by pulling them out of their houses in the style usually reserved for known gang members?

edit: and BTW, i know the truth is that you just really dislike ME, so anything I say will be written off as if I'm a one-dimensional drawing of a person - typical response from a truly indoctrinated US citizen.

[Canadian_watcher]

I'll second that FFS ^^

it's so cool to not like bombastic people though, really. We must all be humble and soft spoken, for that is the way of the liberals, and we're overrun with them here. Reminds me of Daily Kos not wanting any talk of alternative theories of 9/11. Good times - remember when that outraged RIers? wtf happened?

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Oh FFS!

I'm sorry. I don't mean it in a personal way. I'm sure there are many reasons to like him personally.

You know that's what I think, though. I've said it before,

It really wouldn't take more than regular exposure to it to trigger a real mental/emotional breakdown in a lovely, whole ordinarily functioning person who happened to be sensitive to certain kinds of stressors. Such as, for example, terror.

(Antics of Alex Jones thread, here)

So I can't take it back. But I'm sorry for the upset/distress.

ON EDIT:

I'll second that FFS ^^

it's so cool to not like bombastic people though, really. We must all be humble and soft spoken, for that is the way of the liberals, and we're overrun with them here. Reminds me of Daily Kos not wanting any talk of alternative theories of 9/11. Good times - remember when that outraged RIers? wtf happened?

And the place where I demanded soft-spoken humility and decried disagreement was...?

Because if there isn't one, I'm not the one whose being dissent-intolerant, come on.

[Canadian_watcher]

Oh FFS!

I'm sorry. I don't mean it in a personal way. I'm sure there are many reasons to like him personally.

You know that's what I think, though. I've said it before,

It really wouldn't take more than regular exposure to it to trigger a real mental/emotional breakdown in a lovely, whole ordinarily functioning person who happened to be sensitive to certain kinds of stressors. Such as, for example, terror.

(Antics of Alex Jones thread, here)

So I can't take it back. But I'm sorry for the upset/distress.

you know, I don't mean to pick on you but you're the vocal one at the moment, so here it goes:

can you perhaps list your reasons for hating Alex Jones - for not trusting him, for thinking he's a catalyst of some sort for terror?
and I don't mean in an emotion based, tap dancing way, I mean in a fact based way.

because it strikes me as important that we don't just write off a whole person for bombast, you know. do you know? I mean that question sincerely because honestly maybe you don't there are lots of amazing people who don't understand that. If you're one of them please notice that I'm falling all over myself to make sure you know that this is not a slight against your character

but yes a list, please. a list of anti-semetic quotes, for example. Or of outright fabrications. that would be great, if you have the time. thanks

edit: but fwiw I personally like you\
edit 2: and i respect you deeply and all of that as you must know since we have always had a contentious but respectful relationship
at least from my end
I wouldn't want to ascribe to you feelings which you don't have, and if I've done that then you can be assured that I am, in flagrant humility, apologizing in advance.

[IanEye]

Lots of links in these articles...

Who is “Misha”? – Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Rasputin
Justin Raimondo, April 23, 2013
http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/04/23/mikh ... -rasputin/

There have been a number of news accounts of Tamerlan’s “mentor,” a major influence on his path to jihad:
the Uncle, Ruslan, has said his name is “Misha,” and that he is an Armenian convert to Islam living in the Boston area, balding, with reddish hair, middle-aged looking.
So far, he hasn’t been turned up. But that may be coming to an end….