The Mind controlled slaves flip out

[Onesmartrat]

Onesmartrat said:

Once again, look at Streiber if you want an example of a pre-programmed 'awakening" of conscious awarenss to his "secret life' ...there is an agenda there; think about it ....and I will return to discuss that some more.

But why would it be programmed in and not just happen as a result of memory barrier breakdown? What would the advantage be to the program?

The only one I've been able to come up with is kind of diffuse, but here it is anyway: if they want to attract and contain slaves with memory barrier breakdown, then allowing one prominent one to display the symptoms might serve to create a sort of magnet for others.

But that seems to me to be more of a liability than a benefit for the Controllers...? They're risking highly classified information getting very widely disseminated, aren't they? And when urvivors get together in large groups, most continue to cling to their common screen memories and to reinforce them in each other, but a few begin comparing notes and waking up to what was really done to them. That can't be good from the Bad Guys' POV, can it?

Thank you for the theory on poor Britney, too. I hadn't thought of that.

marykmusic, I somehow missed the part in the news reports about the back-of-the-neck bar code tattoo--thank you for posting about it. I was a huge "Dark Angel" fan and now when I look at old episodes, I'm astounded at all the MC references. I had no clue back then

sunny, I didn't realize that ANS painted....fascinating. I wish they'd show some of her work too.

LilyPat

"But that seems to me to be more of a liability than a benefit for the Controllers...? They're risking highly classified information getting very widely disseminated, aren't they? And when urvivors get together in large groups, most continue to cling to their common screen memories and to reinforce them in each other, but a few begin comparing notes and waking up to what was really done to them. That can't be good from the Bad Guys' POV, can it?"



I have been trying to get down to wrirting a response to your question here for awhile, but everytime I sit down to do so, something distracts me (I am sure it is entirely internally generated ...lol). The answer will not please people, especially those who are convinced that they "have been chosen" by cosmic angels (operating as "aliens") for a "special mission."

Streiber, long ago said that "they posed" for THAT cover on the Communion book. The reason of course was to trigger many many thousands of Monarch Mind Control 'sleepers' in terms of them "remembering" their abductions. There was a dual benefit in doing so ...as in the norm with the Cult. One was to provide cover for an operation to infiltrate and establish a Fitfth Column inside this country, in part fostered by a collaborative effort on the part of two foreign elements.

The second benefit concerning the "themes" came as a result of inherent traits in human physiology/psycho-neurology and cognitive/behavioral psychopathology.

It's basically what I call the "Psycho-biology of Belief." I published a paper on it once.

Belief is the key.

This is also a key to understanding why we have the present circumstances in our overall cultural psyche as well as the extreme fundamentalist CULT-based "Christian" mindset that has invaded the country's political landscape. These beliefs and paradigms are both a result of a type of Hundredth Monkey Syndrome in terms of human collective morhpic resonance and the controlled and manipulated informational gestalts that are generated and maintained by quantitative "collective consciouness" if you will. This has both an intangible and tangible impact on any cohesive self-identitifed group of humans who share either a tribal or, in this case, a national identity. This is not some new-age crap; it's based on solid information that has come from the long relationship between the Cult/ occultists working in-tandem with the brightest and most advanced research-oriented physicists, mathematicians ( both theoretical and otherwise), laser scientists, bio-physicists, biologists, computer scientists, neurologists, psychiatrists, etc., etc., as well as corollary "independent" research by such notables in the scientific and academic world as Rupert Sheldrake and John Forbes Nash. I know, I was a small cog in THAT big wheel.

"Alien Abductions" and the current "Fundamentalist Evangelist Trend" are both intmately connected to a grander scheme of social-engineering, shattering of a cohesive unified national (tribal) identity, along with individual, as well as "global" (in terms of the larger tribe/nation) trauma-bonding and pacification, and infitration and invasion by foreign elements ...least we not forget as well, the occult metaphysical machinations "behind the scenes" at work here. It all was a major part of a long-range plan ...and it basically worked.

I will have to return to discuss more of what I am talking about here.

This is a dicey subject for me, I need to take care in how I discuss it.

-OSR

[Onesmartrat]

I believe that Lily has it correct when she insists that there needed to have been some sort of childhood trauma. Perhaps that ten years of treatment as an adult was reinforcing earlier programming.

Mind control programming can start breaking down after a certain amount of time; some say 20 years. This can require re-programming if the person is still useful in some way. If the person is not useful, or is even considered a danger to the handlers if programming breaks down, it is common to kill, induce illness, or use drugs to control (often prescription.) For a great training film as an example, look at Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson. --MaryK

LOL ...that's an interesting reference.

Mel Gibson is, himself, a Monarch Multiple.

That role was a very intmate one for him.

I like Mel Gibson and a great deal of respect for him.




lol


-OSR

[Onesmartrat]

She IS a child the way children really are.

I've known this woman a long time, and never once did it occur to me that she could have DID and that "the child" could be an alter.

My question was: can this manifestation result from trauma induced in an adult? As I mentioned before, the doctor who treated her for 10 years was implicated in the MK-Ultra experiments.

Or must it have originated in childhood?

This has happened to people i know in front of me. Its a bit freaky.

I think the trauma must occur in childhood, as the regression is a way to return to pre traumatised self.

The trauma of abuse removes trust and a sense of safety.

I think that to be able to feel those things, ie to feel safe or be able to trust, the personality must ground itself in a self that has not yet experienced the pain and suffering that caused the loss of trust and safety.

It seems this process is manipulated by those who are involved in trauma based MC programs.

I don't understand how it could be manipulated in an adult without having something happen beforehand in childhood.

MC seems to be about breaking the continuity that links our various selves.

It would seem to me that unless some trauma occurred in childhood, the break in continuity would not lead back to there.

I do wonder if its possible for people with the training to take advantage of childhood trauma that hasn't been dealt with. Not cause the trauma directly, but manipulate the person based on their self reference to that event.

I know adults with PTSD, and their response usually seems different to regression. More a fight or flight thing.

One of the advantages of attacking children seems to be that they are powerless in that they cannot resort to fight or flight.

IE If I am in the shit and can't get away, well I will go off. It doesn't matter if I am gonna die at least you will hurt and I will take as many of the bastards with me as I can. Children don't seem to have that option, tho some who are traumatised by violence learn the attitude earlier than others.

The ability to strike out is all that matters in this case. if your arms are free you can so to speak. But some children can't.

I got my first martial arts grading as a child, I was under 10, this way.

The bloke who taught the class picked me up. he was at least 6 feet tall, and a black belt with who knows how many Dans.

He asked me "How would you get out of this."

Maybe I should have poked him in the eye, (impossible to do actually), but instead I asked "will you put me down?"

To which he did, and awarded me the grade.

The truth is that if that bloke hadn't wanted to put me down there was very lttle I could have done to make him do so.

That powerlessness is reinforced in trauma based MC.

Its a lot harder to reinforce that powerlessness in someone after puberty cos they have a greater chance of getting lucky with a swing or a kick or an attempt to bite someones throat out.

Part of MC seems to be about removing someones ability to fight back.

Some childhood trauma promotes the ability to fight back. MC seems to take trauma and deliberately remove that potential from it.

" I know adults with PTSD, and their response usually seems different to regression. More a fight or flight thing."



This type of age-regression IS internal flight.

And yes, PTSD is very much involved in all of this with these individuals.


-OSR

[Shoogie]

Hey Joe!

I think the music industry is quite infiltrated with MC people, in fact the bigger the band is, and the more hoopla surrounding it, the more likely it seems to me they are promoting values, ideas and themes TPTB want disseminated in the population.

As for the bands you mentioned- I agree with NIN definately-wow. Yeah. I listened to NIN a bit when I was a teen and shudder to think what effect it had on me. The other bands I'm not familiar with, but I do think that some lesser-known musicians are involved on smaller levels. I mean Iggy Pop is well known by indie music lovers but the average Joe is not too familiar with his songs-Iggy Pop wouldn't be on top 40 radio for example

I think there's three levels to the entertainment world:

At the top are the bands/actors/ artists funded, hyped and celebrated by TPTB. Nirvana would be in this category.

In the middle are those groups who imitate the top groups but who don't necessarily have the connections or money to be at the top. Also at this level are the cult musicians/actors/artists [created by low level mind control and occult groups] who can make it to the top depending on how they play their cards. I think Iggy would fall into this category.

Also mid level artists are probably used to trigger and reach smaller groups of MC slaves with more specific programming than the population at large.

At the bottom are genuine struggling musicians or those who aren't espousing the message TPTB want out there

[philipacentaur]

Shoogie, the music industry is filled with bottom-feeding scum, no doubt, but to chalk up any artists success to "mind control" is ludicrous and dismissive of the creativity and hard work required to even show up as a blip on the industry's radar. This is excluding corporate-manufactured entities, of course -- though there are some people with undeniable abilities coming from that camp.

I listened to NIN a bit when I was a teen and shudder to think what effect it had on me.

Shudder to Think was also a good band.

Iggy Pop had a "top 40" chart success with "Candy" (with some help from the lovely and talented Kate Pierson).

[Joe Hillshoist]

I really don't want to drag this thread off into my own musical obsessions,so at the risk of that:

The first reference I ever had to MC in music was someone talking about techno in the late 80s early 90s.

Their claim was that the actual sounds used in techno music were a MC plot.

My brother actually added some validity to this for me when he said that techno sounded like the noises he heard in his head while he was tripping.

- then you get the Crim justice Act 94 in Britain and the whole argument falls apart.

Nirvana's rise was pretty interesting. How did they from Bleach to Nevermind? That I don't get, unless someone at geffen was thinking ahead with a view to repeating some Great Rock and roll swindle.

I dunno, indie music, or what was once indie music seems like the last place to practise MC imo.

People like Britany Spears, Scraguiliera, Madonna, even Kylie (saw some of the video fromm her Showgirl tour on the ABC on Sunday night, and there were a mass of MC memes.)

Especially her (Kylie) singing "Somewhere over the Rainbow". I actually turned off the computer to listen to that song. A bit freaky.

There is a real cheapening of sexuality that goes along with those performers IMO.

I am not that prudish and certainly don't agree with any moralistic restrictions on what any consenting adults do.

But the cheapening of sex is as bad or worse than the moral control placed on it.

What about fitty...

Hip hop and rap has a world of anti authority, think for yourself memes buried into its bedrock. But you end up with fucking fitty.

And not enough of this:

My mommy gave me Donny Half-a-way
Young Gifted and Black
Amidst The Positivity, I wound to bring it back
But Rap now-a-days is by a bunch of ignorant cats
No young gifted and black
Just guns bitches and crack
I react by turning off BET and Sambo's telling me what blackness is supposed to be
Used to give us world news now it's all videos replaced Tavis Smiley with reality shows
If you let the TV define what black is you think ice and violence is all we think that matters
I guess this is what happens when rappers look up to thugs
And kids look up to rappers
To some of y'all if I don't talk about the gat enough
Or sell crack enough
I ain't black enough
But I rather be a pro at being myself
Than be an idiot trying to be somebody else, what


I'm at the bus stop with my bike
Been there for awhile
Mom's taught me how to catch this route when I was a child
-Another kid walks up freakin up black and mild
Fifteen same age, I learn shits wild
An older lady walks up greets us with a smile
Asks how we both doing and sits down
She knows what's it's like to grow up in the south
Civil Rights when the white's was hosing us down
I started thinking to myself that even though that time's were tougher
They still took timeout to speak to one another
But look at us, me and this young brother
Acting to proud to break down and speak to each other
So inside I felt ashamed
Not sure of how to but I wanna change
And as long as I'm alive than the fact remains
That it's never too late for us to break the chains
Come on y'all

Social control is practised through popular music.

Dunno what my point is with all this so I'll shut up now.

[marmot]

Have you seen this?

Britney, Beyonce and Pink in Pepsi commercial <video link>

[MinM]

Mom's plea deal includes 'resurrection clause'

(CNN) -- A Maryland woman involved with a group described as a religious cult pleaded guilty in the starvation death of her son, but insisted that the charges be dropped when he is resurrected.

The condition was made a part of Ria Ramkissoon's plea agreement, officials said. She entered the plea Monday in Baltimore, Maryland, to a first-degree felony count of child abuse resulting in death, her attorney, Steven Silverman, said Tuesday.

Ramkissoon, a member of a group called One Mind Ministries, believes Javon Thompson, her year-old son, will rise again, and as part of her plea agreement, authorities agreed to the clause.

"She certainly recognizes that her omissions caused the death of her son," Silverman said. "To this day, she believes it was God's will and he will be resurrected and this will all take care of itself. She realizes if she's wrong, then everyone has to take responsibility ... and if she's wrong, then she's a failure as a mother and the worst thing imaginable has happened. I don't think that, mentally, she's ready to accept that."

Under the plea agreement, Ramkissoon, 22, must testify against four other One Mind Ministries members who are also facing charges, including first-degree murder, in Javon's death. At her sentencing, set for August, she will receive a 20-year sentence, which will be suspended except for the time she has already served behind bars, Silverman said. She must also undergo deprogramming and psychiatric counseling.

In court Monday, it was clarified that the "resurrection clause" would apply only in the case of Javon's actual resurrection -- not a perceived reincarnation, Silverman said.

"This has never come up in the history of American law, as far as I've seen," Silverman said, adding that the clause was "very important to her."

"On one level, she certainly is competent to stand trial, because she does recognize that as far as her legal entanglements are concerned, this is a grand-slam resolution for her," Silverman said. "On the other hand, she's still brainwashed, she's still delusional as far as the teachings and influence of this cult, and she certainly is going to benefit with professional help and deprogramming."

Ramkissoon and the others are accused of denying Javon food after the group's leader, a 40-year-old woman who goes by the name Queen Antoinette, decreed the boy was a demon since he refused to say "amen" after meals, Silverman said.

"Ria would cling to him every day and try to get him to say 'amen,' " Silverman said. Eventually, Queen Antoinette ordered that Ramkissoon be separated from the child, he said.

Javon is believed to have died in December 2006, court documents allege. Following his death, the group members put the boy's body in a back room, and "everyone was directed to come in and pray," according to the documents. "The Queen told everyone that 'God was going to raise Javon from the dead.' Javon remained in the room for an extended period of time (in excess of one week). The resurrection never took place."

Authorities believe the boy's body was then placed into a wheeled suitcase along with mothballs and fabric-softener sheets, documents said. Prosecutors allege Antoinette opened the suitcase periodically and sprayed its interior with Lysol to mask the decomposition odor.

The group then moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and befriended a man who agreed to take care of their luggage before they left, documents said. The body was found in April 2008, still inside the suitcase, in the man's storage shed.

All five One Mind Ministries members were set to stand trial Monday. The case against the others has been postponed, Silverman said, as Antoinette and another woman lack attorneys and must either obtain one or waive their right to counsel. Silverman added that Antoinette has suggested, though not said outright, that God is representing her.

Court documents say Ramkissoon joined One Mind Ministries after Javon's birth in 2005. Silverman described her as a petite, soft-spoken woman who rejected her family's Hindu religion, became a devout Christian and wanted to raise her son in that religion. "She didn't want to have to work or go to school. She just wanted to take care of her son, and they offered her all this," he said.

The group insisted she wear a uniform the colors of royalty: white, tan and blue; give up her cell phone; stop referring to her family members by name; and not leave her home on her own, among other things, he said. "They really isolated her, brainwashed her, and you see what happened."

Ramkissoon's mother, Seeta Khadan Newton, notified various agencies that her grandson was missing after she traveled to New York City in February 2008 to find her daughter, court documents said. Newton told authorities that when she spoke to Ramkissoon and asked about Javon, her daughter replied, "He's gone. He's lost," but gave no further information.

Silverman said he realized right away after consulting with Ramkissoon that he needed to communicate her story to the public and to prosecutors.

"Once you get to understanding the story, understanding what Ria went through, and her intentions ... it becomes quite clear that Ria, although many may not think her hands are clean, a reasonable, rational person would have some sympathy."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/cul ... index.html

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion."

[barracuda]

Just for grins, how many Monarch Multiple/Mind Controlled Sex Slave references can you spot in the latest Britney Spears video? I'll start.

[Nordic]

I heard through the grapevine that she shaved her head because she had lice.

Lice are hard to get rid of.

Kids pick them up at schools. Then spread them to their parents.

They're a big problem in Los Angeles. Lice, that is.

[Nordic]

You know what I would like to read about?

I would like to learn about how much modern PSYOPS and the modern media have in common with mind control.

Do they use the same techniques?

I think they do, especially since 9/11, and especially in regards to 9/11 and everything that followed.

I, however, am no expert on mind control.

But how else do you explain the grip that the media has on the population?

I would like to see a serious piece of writing that compares and contrasts the two.

[mulebone]

But how else do you explain the grip that the media has on the population?

# The mean prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with primary or no education, ranked 14th out of 18 high-income countries;
# The mean prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with some high school, but no diploma or GED, ranked 19th out of 19 high-income countries;
# The mean prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with a high school diploma or GED (but no college), ranked 18th (tie) out of 19 countries;
# The mean prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with 1-3 years of college, ranked 15th out of 19 countries


I think it's pretty self explanatory. If you can't read, what else is there? TV & talk radio. Computers, being primarily text driven, are also all but useless unless you stick to YouTube-like video stops. Why waste money on outre mind control scenarios when a huge chunk of the population doesn't appear to have a "mind" to "control."