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Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:22 am

It's really hard for me to understand human experience, let alone the universe.

Musk is smart and we need him, several more of him in fact. I'm just wondering aloud what we can do about fracking, strip mining, bottom trawling, glyphosate, industrial war etcetera and so on, if we don't even believe it's part of our existence. Listening carefully to what the movers and doers say, belief in one or more variations of the simulated universe interpretation explains their actions as well as anything else. What else is it but the rapture in disguise?
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:16 pm

It was a pleasure to go through this thread again and remember how smart and interesting both tazmic and allegro were, and presumably are, and hopefully will again be in this venue.

Otherwise, let us give some due to the similarly departed and missed simulist for including this:

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.


Aaaaah.

Damn, there was another thread on this, how to find it?

Otherwise, on the question of religion vs. this form of speculation, I can't believe I forgot to add the obvious: "And he created them in his image."
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:25 pm

I found that other one
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... &start=105

and sorry to recycle but this fits here even better:

JackRiddler » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:35 pm wrote:
Simulating even a single posthuman civilization might be prohibitively expensive. If so, then we should expect our simulation to be terminated when we are about to become posthuman.


I see he's got it budgeted and CBA'ed. (And here I thought digital was cheaper than analogue.)

Because, you know, posthuman is so fucking expensive compared to the mere matter of doing a full simulation of a merely human civilization to the point where we all are conscious, see the same reality (with the same biosphere and animals) and so on. Bah, boring. Guys like him can code it in their sleep, and they're the hardest part to simulate, since everyone else is so stupid and worthless.

Sorry, this is how I see this stuff.

This, like a lot of posthuman speculative work, is not so much philosophy as a search for a workable and stimulating religion that might satisfy techno-intellectual workers under a reductionist materialist neoliberalism. Call that last bit what you will: the next phase of capitalism, Rise of the Machines, etc. Under the systemic logic and given the trajectory of ongoing developments, the human is eventually to be extinguished or replaced or supplanted by its own creations (even if human bodies keep being reproduced). First engineered to a soulless utopian fit, then taken over by new species of our own invention: supermen, bio-mech hybrids made for space, or straight-up machines. Unless we decide we don't want that as a species, which is unlikely.

A mythology is needed for the meantime, to reassure us (or to reassure some of us who are working on that extinguishment) that it's okay because, hey, the human never existed in the first place. None of us do!

I see a lot of these kinds of assurances being fronted in various guises, as the neuroscientific/genetic/behavioral economic explanation for the questions philosophy and social sciences supposedly used to cover.

As a religion for more than a handful of actual humans, however, it misses the part where it satisfies the gaping needs for validation, warmth, belonging, simplicity and fulfillment emanating from most of the human beings, which is why they tend to turn to religion in the first place, and why the big ones (religions, not humans) look like they do. Which is to say, quite unlike this one.

Except for the part where this life we're living, the only one we have, isn't actual, doesn't matter anyway, since everything (in the universe!) was made by an unseen all-powerful creator, of which we are the hobby. That part, he's got down. (Yes! Now I'm figuring out why I'm sometimes offended by this nonsense!) So he's got a substitute for himself, anyway.

Or, wait, maybe he's doing this? A wise guy, eh?



http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... d-of-a-pin

According to unimpeachable sources, it's not how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, it's how many can do it on the point of a needle — which, of course, makes more sense. Second, the earliest citation I can find is from a book by Ralph Cudworth in the 17th century, which is suspiciously late in the day.

Insight on this question is provided by Isaac D'Israeli (1766-1848), the father of British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli. Isaac was an amateur scholar who published a series of books called Curiosities of Literature (the first volume appeared in 1791), which were quite popular in their day. D'Israeli lampooned the Scholastic philosophers of the late Middle Ages, notably Thomas Aquinas (c. 1224-1274), who was famous for debating metaphysical fine points.

Aquinas wrote several ponderous philosophical tomes, the most famous of which was called Summa Theologica, "summary of theology." It contained, among other things, several dozen propositions on the nature of angels, which Thomas attempted to work out by process of pure reason. The results were pretty tortured, and to later generations of hipper-than-thou know-it-alls, they seemed a classic example of good brainpower put to nonsensical ends.

For example, D'Israeli writes, "Aquinas could gravely debate, Whether Christ was not an hermaphrodite [and] whether there are excrements in Paradise." He might also have mentioned such Thomistic puzzlers as whether the hair and nails will grow following the Resurrection, and whether or not said Resurrection will take place at night.

Now to your question. D'Israeli writes, "The reader desirous of being merry with Aquinas's angels may find them in Martinus Scriblerus, in Ch. VII who inquires if angels pass from one extreme to another without going through the middle? And if angels know things more clearly in a morning? How many angels can dance on the point of a very fine needle, without jostling one another?"

Martinus Scriblerus ("Martin the Scribbler") was a pseudonym adopted by the 18th-century wits Alexander Pope, Jonathan Swift, John Gay, Thomas Parnell, and John Arbuthnot, who collaborated on a satirical work entitled Memoirs of the Extraordinary Life, Works, and Discoveries of Martinus Scriblerus, published in 1741. Turning to chapter VII of this book, now available online courtesy of Google, we find the first two questions cited by D'Israeli but not the one about dancing angels. Did D'Israeli make it up? Nah — he undoubtedly cribbed it from the aforementioned Cudworth, who in True Intellectual System of the Universe (1678) writes: "… some who are far from Atheists, may make themselves merry, with that Conceit, of Thousands of Spirits, dancing at once upon a Needles Point …"

We find this last quoted in Mathematics and the Divine: A Historical Study by Teun Koetsier and Luc Bergmans (2004). Koetsier and Bergmans have nosed out a few still earlier antecedents: William Chillingworth in 1648 wrote of clergymen disputing, "Whether a million of angels may not sit upon a needle's point," which in turn may refer to Swester Katrei, "a fourteenth-century German mystical work," in which a character observes, "doctors declare that in heaven a thousand angels can stand on the point of a needle."

Not to drag this out, but you see what's going on: wise guys at work. All the items quoted above are burlesques of actual treatises in Aquinas's Summa. Fact is, Aquinas did debate whether an angel moving from A to B passes through the points in between, and whether one could distinguish "morning" and "evening" knowledge in angels. (He was referring to an abstruse concept having to do with the dawn and twilight of creation.) Finally, he inquired whether several angels could be in the same place at once, which of course is the dancing-on-a-pin question less comically stated. (Tom's answer: no.) So the answer to your question is yes, medieval theologians did get into some pretty weird arguments, if not quite as weird as they were later portrayed.

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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby FourthBase » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:59 pm

http://www.jehsmith.com/1/2016/06/we-ar ... ation.html

We Are Not Living in a 'Video Game Simulation'

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Elon Musk, the billionaire inventor and amateur futurologue, has recently taken to the idea that we may all be living in a simulation akin to Second Life. He has been influenced in his thinking by the philosopher Nick Bostrom, though something of the latter's rigour has been lost as the argument is translated into a version suitable to capture the imagination of a global 'thought leader', who, in turn, is positioned to get the rest of us talking about it. Of course some of us can remember talking about it before either of these men forced it into the zeitgeist, perhaps in an informal setting where the exploratory mood was enhanced by a joint and we found ourselves starting our sentences with, "Whoah,what if, like..." But now the adventure of ideas, of which any stoner is capable, and indeed of which our ancestors millennia before the invention of video games were capable, has been given weight by the interest of an Oxford philosopher, and cachet by the derivative interest of a rich person. And now when people talk about it they will not say, "Whoah, what if, like..." and they will probably not have a joint in hand. They will soberly, straight-facedly say to their coworkers, "I read this one expert who..." or, more succinctly, "They say that..."

You do not need to be a Heideggerian to be wary of 'the they'.

It is certainly possible that we are living in a simulation, if by this we mean that things are not as they appear, that reality is not just brute stuff sitting there on its own. This is a possibility that has been contemplated in various ways by great minds for quite some time now, and that has provided fuel for the wild speculations of not-so-great minds for just as long. What is new is the way in which one manoeuvres into the appearance of expertise by doing nothing more than being very wealthy and deciding to take up the social role of a visionary. What Musk has done is to update an ancient possibility, to cause it to appear as something never-before-thought when in truth it is only a repackaging and a re-enchantment.

The particular form the new version takes offers a vivid case study in the consequences of historical and anthropological ignorance. How self-congratulatory and parochial would a member of a given culture, at a given moment, have to be, to suppose that reality itself takes the form of a particular technology developed within that very culture in the course of one's own lifetime? Consider the familiar claim that "The brain is like a computer," or, switching the comparative 'like' for the stoner one, that "The brain is, like, a computer." Is this not effectively to say that this thing that has been around in nature for hundreds of millions of years turns out to in fact have been, all along, this other thing that we ourselves came up with in the past few decades?

Wouldn't it, I mean, be a remarkable coincidence to find ourselves alive at just the moment where technology finally shows itself to be adequate to reveal to us the true nature of reality? And how are we supposed to interpret the equally certain claims of people in other times and places, who believed that reality in fact reflected some device or artifice of central importance to their own culture (e.g., horologia, mirrors, puppets, tjurungas...)? Are we really to believe that it was not the statues of the light-and-shadow theatres of the ancients or the hydraulic automata of the early moderns that revealed the true nature of things, but that instead humanity would have to await the eventual advent of... Pong? And might the key cosmic-historical significance of this technological moment have something to do with the fact that it is simultaneous with the formative early experiences of the man-child Elon Musk?

If you are like Musk, or Bostrom, then you will probably consider these historical and culture-comparative considerations irrelevant to the question at hand. Fine, then. Let's talk about the argument. One notes, first, that it relies on a crucial but unexamined premise, that the simulated characters of video games, if they keep developing in the way they have been developing since the 1970s, will eventually become conscious. But there is just one small problem: we don't know what consciousness is yet. We don't know how it is grounded in brain activity, nor whether it is an emergent capacity of the evolution of organisms at all, so we can't possibly know whether it is bound to emerge from the evolution of other physical systems.

Some people are strongly committed to the view that consciousness is just the result of the way brains are structured, and there is nothing categorically special in the physical world about how brains are structured. But they cannot give an account, at least not yet, of how this works, how we get thoughts and feelings and memories from the firing of neurons, let alone positively establish that it works in the same way as our computers work. And if we do not know that brains are computers, then we definitely don't know that computer programs, or indeed the special parts of programs responsible for the production of simulations of characters that seem to bear some analogy to us (Ms. PacMan, the Sims, etc.), are on their way to becoming conscious.

But let's suppose for the sake of argument that our brains are computers, and that our consciousness is the result of the fact that we are 'running a program'. It does not follow from this that wherever in the universe there is natural computational activity, given enough time this activity will in turn result in the production of artificial systems that simulate what had already emerged naturally. In other words, there is no reason to think that wherever there are naturally evolving brains there are likely to be, given enough time, artificial ones too.

The presumption of the high probability of such an outcome is perhaps what is most new about the new repackaged version of the argument. It appears to be borrowed from some recent speculations in xenobiology, triggered by the recent recalculation, by several orders of magnitude, of the likely number of habitable planets in the universe. But this speculation is based on a misunderstanding of evolutionary biology, and pumped up on a fairly large dose of smuggled teleology. There is no reason why biological evolution should move from lower to higher, from dumb fish and worms to genius toolmaking and abstract-thought-using beings. This is for the simple reason that there can be no lower or higher at all in evolution. I am worse than a fish if we're having a contest in underwater breathing, but better if it is typing that interests us. And this is all evolution does: it yields up organisms that are fitted to their environments; it does not yield up absolutely ever-better organisms, nor is tool-making and abstract thinking any better, absolutely, than breathing through gills.

Even given the astoundingly large number of habitable planets in the universe and the likely passage on at least some of them from inorganic molecules to living systems, there is no compelling reason to think that a large number of these systems, or even more than one of them, must ever have resulted in a species such as ours that builds tools we would recognise as products of technology. There could for example be a species of electric eel-like creatures that develop a flourishing culture of abstract self-expression, in which some become legendary, like eel Mozarts, for their ability to control the currents coming out of them. Such a thing could evolve without giving off any technological traces. Such a thing, indeed, may even be going on right now among some terrestrial non-human species. But not only do we not detect it, we are not even interested in it, as we are certain, without argument, that intelligence is coextensive with making stuff.

If there is no necessity or high probability that the passage to what we would recognise as technology should have occurred more than once, then a fortiori there cannot be a high probability that one or many other living systems in the universe ever came up with a technology similar to Second Life (in which the little avatars eventually become conscious, mistake their simulation for reality, etc.).

There are two instances of one and the same error in the argument that we might be living in a video game simulation. It is supposed that given enough time any living system will become like us in that it will begin using abstract thought and building tools, which tools will eventually become the loci of abstract thought themselves. It is supposed, further, that these thought-tools will eventually take a form that looks recognisably like the thought-tools we have started to develop over the past half-century or so. The second inflection of the error only looks more absurd in view of its greater specificity. Both, again, are based on the ungrounded claim that thought-tools not only help us conscious beings to think, but also, as they become more complex, begin thinking themselves.

This speculation has become 'a thing' recently not because it has finally been grounded in a compelling argument, but because Elon Musk occupies a social role in which he need only dream out loud in order for his 'he' to become a 'they'. The argument is a matter of interest, like the horoscopes once so lucidly studied by Adorno, mostly because of what it says about the sociology of authority, not because of what it, well, says. And yet one fears that in the Internet era, though we are now offered infinite space to say things, there is somehow nonetheless vanishing space for critical analysis of the declarations of the powerful. The powerful maintain a pretence of reasonableness by speaking in terms of what is 'probable'. But speaking in this way translates just as easily into Google hits as does speaking of what is 'true'. And Google hits are more interesting than truth anyway, so why not just dream out loud?
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:24 am

Musk is smart and we need him, several more of him in fact. I'm just wondering aloud what we can do about fracking, strip mining, bottom trawling, glyphosate, industrial war etcetera and so on, if we don't even believe it's part of our existence. Listening carefully to what the movers and doers say, belief in one or more variations of the simulated universe interpretation explains their actions as well as anything else. What else is it but the rapture in disguise?


Really? Do we need more people like Musk who further carry the ball forward for even more fucking commercialism? Whooooo....such fancy Teslas! Gotta get one!

Jesus H. Christ, is that how one justifies the strip mining you mention? I suppose the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is justified because a clever technologist is making some fancy cars? Where do you think most of that Lithium is mined?

This is old news and there are plenty of sources.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/no-the-mi ... otherlode/

So next time you complain about strip mining, fracking think before you post. Global hegemony includes pilfering or outright theft of resources. It's okay, only about 2.300 or so American soldiers died in Operation Enduring Freedom. Thousands more Afghans died. Fire up them drones muthafucker, gotta protect the mining operations to build more Teslas and cellphones!
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Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:50 am

Maybe the media is talking about Musk's stoned thoughts on the holographic universe in order to bury his old thoughts that developing artificial general intelligence is like summoning the demon. One doesn't hear about that too much and it's full steam ahead on pursuing machine sentience.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby FourthBase » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:33 am

Luther Blissett » 14 Jun 2016 07:50 wrote:Maybe the media is talking about Musk's stoned thoughts on the holographic universe in order to bury his old thoughts that developing artificial general intelligence is like summoning the demon. One doesn't hear about that too much and it's full steam ahead on pursuing machine sentience.


That's what unsettles me, that Musk had appeared to be one of the good guys who recognized the posthuman horror on the horizon. Now he's drinking Bostrom's Kool Aid?

As for the theory itself, even if it were true, it would basically change nothing about life. Same shit, different origin. Literally the same shit. We still all take shits, simulation or not. (Well, until cyborgs replace their intestines with a synthetic system that eliminates the vulgar process of pooping...Kundera's grand-narrative-fueled kitsch on steroids and acid.) Same human experiences, same conflicts, same ethics. What kills me is the implicit assumption that, if this is a simulation by future humans, then we are somehow obligated to evolve the technology to produce it. What if the entire fucking point of the simulation were precisely to give ourselves a virtual mulligan to live the simple human lives free from computerized tyranny which techno-utopians are destined to ruin for all of us. What if the Friendly AI which Bostrom & Co. are working to install as our superintelligent overlord actually is built and proven to be infinitely wise...and the very first thing it commands humanity to do is to cease and destroy all AI research and to roll back our relationship with technology to the level it existed in, say, 1675, or 300 BC.
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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby Harvey » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:42 pm

Karmamatterz » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:24 am wrote:
Musk is smart and we need him, several more of him in fact. I'm just wondering aloud what we can do about fracking, strip mining, bottom trawling, glyphosate, industrial war etcetera and so on, if we don't even believe it's part of our existence. Listening carefully to what the movers and doers say, belief in one or more variations of the simulated universe interpretation explains their actions as well as anything else. What else is it but the rapture in disguise?


Really? Do we need more people like Musk who further carry the ball forward for even more fucking commercialism? Whooooo....such fancy Teslas! Gotta get one!

Jesus H. Christ, is that how one justifies the strip mining you mention? I suppose the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is justified because a clever technologist is making some fancy cars? Where do you think most of that Lithium is mined?

This is old news and there are plenty of sources.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/no-the-mi ... otherlode/

So next time you complain about strip mining, fracking think before you post. Global hegemony includes pilfering or outright theft of resources. It's okay, only about 2.300 or so American soldiers died in Operation Enduring Freedom. Thousands more Afghans died. Fire up them drones muthafucker, gotta protect the mining operations to build more Teslas and cellphones!
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Yeah, a simulation, nice fucking excuse for murder and enslavement....it's only a simulation. There there dearie, You'll be okay after the next round and we reset the button again.


Your entire diatribe is what I've said already. And more elegantly. If I'm anything at all, it is far from elegant. What does that imply about you?
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Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:27 pm

Harvey, perhaps it implies I had my head up my ass when I wrote that. It was late and not my best time for RI replies. I also cherry picked a few posts and need to go back to the beginning of the OP.

Not quite sure if any of it was elegant, but I would venture most people's writing is more elegant than mine. Elegance is not often on my mind or a point of origin on a board like this. I save that for the occasional photograph.

Personally, I think reincarnation seems as likely or more than a simulation.
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Postby Harvey » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:28 pm

Karmamatterz » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:27 pm wrote:Harvey, perhaps it implies I had my head up my ass when I wrote that. It was late and not my best time for RI replies. I also cherry picked a few posts and need to go back to the beginning of the OP.

Not quite sure if any of it was elegant, but I would venture most people's writing is more elegant than mine. Elegance is not often on my mind or a point of origin on a board like this. I save that for the occasional photograph.

Personally, I think reincarnation seems as likely or more than a simulation.


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Re: 20% chance we're living in a simulation - Oxford prof

Postby elfismiles » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:31 am

Bank of America analysts claim there's a 50% chance we live in a 'Matrix reality simulation' (VIDEO)
12:49, 13 Sep 2016
Updated 15:07, 13 Sep 2016
By Scott Campbell
Boffins made the astonishing claim in a research note citing comments from top scientists, philosophers and astrophysicists

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Postby OP ED » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:02 pm

See how well that theory works out for him when western capital finally collapses and we're eating the bankers first.
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Postby DrEvil » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:06 pm

What I want to know is: How do I get administrator rights?
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Postby OP ED » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:01 pm

Be more moderate.
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Never!
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