Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

[Project Willow]

I'm just sooo durn busy atm, though the conceptual art line caught my eye. Hope you are well.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

I would be up for doing a review if I had the time, but unfortunately my schedule for the next week to two weeks is looking pretty grim. And I wouldn't feel right in doing a quick read of the material then pumping out a fast review. Something of this comprehensive nature deserves more critical analysis and commentary.

Has Jason thought about approaching Greg Bishop and asking if he would scan his work and if he finds it intriguing having him on his Radio Mysterioso podcast? I think that would be fascinating, and Greg is always talking about wanting to see new and interesting approaches to the subject matter.

[justdrew]

btw - which game show (or whatever) was it that originated the whole concept of "will the real __fill in the blank__ please stand up?"

I've taken it for granted that I know for a long time, but just realized I've no idea

A: Spoiler:To Tell the Truth ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO42aYB6_8Q <-- Ronan O'Rahilly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUx0O6k8S8

[Plutonia]

I'm just sooo durn busy atm, though the conceptual art line caught my eye. Hope you are well.

All's well thanks. I'm sorry that you are too busy to participate - you input would have been invaluable. Maybe at some point in the future, then?

[Plutonia]

I have a dim memory of my grandmother watching that show and me not getting it. Thanks for pointing out the Ronan O'Rahilly clip, drew. Priceless.

btw - which game show (or whatever) was it that originated the whole concept of "will the real __fill in the blank__ please stand up?"

I've taken it for granted that I know for a long time, but just realized I've no idea

A: Spoiler:To Tell the Truth ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO42aYB6_8Q <-- Ronan O'Rahilly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUx0O6k8S8

[Plutonia]

Thanks for the suggestion ASoF. Jason really busy with other writing projects atm - he's doing a column for OMNI Reboot, now among other things. It's my idea to invite a sort of spin-off discussion and foster it's propagation in unusual corners of the internet. The piece is really more about social engineering than the UFO, with WS front and center as Exhibit #1.

The OMNI Reboot, btw, is in the hands of the impressive Claire L. Evans of Yacht and other endeavors: http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/20 ... ni-reboot/

Here's Jason's launch piece: http://omnireboot.jerrickventures.com/c ... ing-death/

I would be up for doing a review if I had the time, but unfortunately my schedule for the next week to two weeks is looking pretty grim. And I wouldn't feel right in doing a quick read of the material then pumping out a fast review. Something of this comprehensive nature deserves more critical analysis and commentary.

Has Jason thought about approaching Greg Bishop and asking if he would scan his work and if he finds it intriguing having him on his Radio Mysterioso podcast? I think that would be fascinating, and Greg is always talking about wanting to see new and interesting approaches to the subject matter.

[guruilla]

What little feedback I've got from people in the UFO community (SMILES notwithstanding) has been, Yeah but what about THE ALIENS??! There's almost no interest in new interpretations that undermine the current narrative. It's a bit like trying to look into Jesus' human side with a bunch of born-againers. What you get mostly is a bunch of blank looks and impatient murmurs.

Or, if you really make an impression, you might get a warmer response: burning torches and pitchforks.

[justdrew]

Thanks for the suggestion ASoF. Jason really busy with other writing projects atm - he's doing a column for OMNI Reboot, now among other things. It's my idea to invite a sort of spin-off discussion and foster it's propagation in unusual corners of the internet. The piece is really more about social engineering than the UFO, with WS front and center as Exhibit #1.

The OMNI Reboot, btw, is in the hands of the impressive Claire L. Evans of Yacht and other endeavors: http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/20 ... ni-reboot/

Here's Jason's launch piece: http://omnireboot.jerrickventures.com/c ... ing-death/

I would be up for doing a review if I had the time, but unfortunately my schedule for the next week to two weeks is looking pretty grim. And I wouldn't feel right in doing a quick read of the material then pumping out a fast review. Something of this comprehensive nature deserves more critical analysis and commentary.

Has Jason thought about approaching Greg Bishop and asking if he would scan his work and if he finds it intriguing having him on his Radio Mysterioso podcast? I think that would be fascinating, and Greg is always talking about wanting to see new and interesting approaches to the subject matter.

just an idea I'll pin here in case someone might want it...

our tendency to fear the "rise of the robots" "skynet" etc is a tacit admission that given the opportunity, mankind would make war on gawd and conquer heaven. We're projecting that onto our "creations" - I do hope we don't build a "brain in a jar" - any serious AI development from here on out need to be at least granted some embodiment from the get-go.

[elfismiles]

Thansk Jason - everything I read of that series I found to be important and significant.

I just feel guilty about not being able to keep pace with your voluminous output in order to contribute more significantly to your willingness to dialog.

Some of the essays were read to me by my wife as we drove cross-country several months ago ... we thoroughly enjoyed the reading and subsequent discussion amongst ourselves.

What little feedback I've got from people in the UFO community (SMILES notwithstanding) has been, Yeah but what about THE ALIENS??! There's almost no interest in new interpretations that undermine the current narrative. It's a bit like trying to look into Jesus' human side with a bunch of born-againers. What you get mostly is a bunch of blank looks and impatient murmurs.

Or, if you really make an impression, you might get a warmer response: burning torches and pitchforks.

[Plutonia]

"at least granted some embodiment from the get-go" <-- might as well say that about human children, drew and therein is the nub --> can't/won't make "embodied" AI until we are "embodied" AI <-- meaning that the dissociative effects of trauma disrupt/subvert what should be natural and automatic embodiment.

Jason really digs into all that in POI.

just an idea I'll pin here in case someone might want it...

our tendency to fear the "rise of the robots" "skynet" etc is a tacit admission that given the opportunity, mankind would make war on gawd and conquer heaven. We're projecting that onto our "creations" - I do hope we don't build a "brain in a jar" - any serious AI development from here on out need to be at least granted some embodiment from the get-go.

[Hammer of Los]

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Trauma doth loosen the bonds of ignorance.

Don't it?

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[guruilla]

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Trauma doth loosen the bonds of ignorance.

Don't it?

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If it does, wherefore the proliferation of ignorance & trauma?

[guruilla]

Some of the essays were read to me by my wife as we drove cross-country several months ago ... we thoroughly enjoyed the reading and subsequent discussion amongst ourselves.

Wish I'd been a fly on the back seat. If you'd recorded them, that could have made a great contribution: Wyrd Daze include audio material in their zine.

[Crow]

I am interested in this, though my time is horrendously limited. I'd like to do something, though. Could you please PM me?

[Plutonia]

That's great Crow!
PMing now...