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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:20 pm

pepsified thinker wrote:Canadian Watcher--that IS a strange site.

There's a community (cult?) of people thinking/talking like Loughner. Maybe cult is too heavy-handed, but from looking at the topics and tone, that's the word that comes to mind. There's something to how the language on the first page (with pic of the guy with a flag) is altered. Seems somehow to follow a set of rules--though when I saw it only in Loughner's YouTube videos, it just seemed like signs of deranged thought.

And if it turned out that Loughner wrote what's on this site, I'd go back to saying it was a sign of deranged thought.

And that earlier post about 'Pontypool' does seem 'of' the same language-focused vibe.

Oddly, someone told me about going to a lecture today about the King James bible--what led up to it and the politics surrounding it. [on edit--the lecture focused on the translations/use of language involved in the KJ version]

. . . and later NPR had a story about a guy (sorry can't think of the name--John something-or-other?[not Wycliff]) whose translation was the basis for much of the KJ version.

an oddly linguistic-focused day.

Oh--and the surgeon who operated on Giffords said the bullet went through a part of the brain that controls speech.

just sayin'.

But then this kind of gives new meaning to 'just sayin'.


yeah, that loveoflife site really really seems "odd". the similarities in the writing, in places at least and subject matter, are remarkable. wouldn't be surprised to find he was reading that... wonder if he's in the comments there?

I'm not willing to read much more of that crap at the moment, the constant uses of similar but wrong words is very annoying after a while.

"conscience / conscious" etc...

he always starts off with a crazy logical proposition...
If A=d then B
A is not d
therefore not B

it's like he's been on a steady diet of writing intentionally designed to be deranging.

NLP concepts at work perhaps?

see here: (this guy is apparently some kinda micro-celebrity in the sort of circles J.L. may have wound up in in they ears before this event.)
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/04 ... fe-website
"We Are The Life Of The Dream Of Life"
"Arthur Cristian Interview On American Freedom Radio"

they're clearly pushing this kinda stuff...

9. If You Are Interested In Banking and Money Created (Fiat/Credit/Debt/Mortgage/Loan/Overdraft etc) Out-Of-Thin-Air, How Banks Counterfeit Money,
go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/banks
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby nathan28 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:54 pm

FWIW American Stalinist Weekly is putting the MSM version of "neither left nor right" on this:

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/09/time-for-a-new-era-of-political-correctness/

Time for a New Era of Political Correctness?

Aren't we all responsible for the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords? Parents worry about the effect on children of violent movies and bloody video games. But what about violence in our public discourse?
On both sides of the aisle, civility has become the latchkey kid of politics.
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” then candidate Barack Obama said in Philadelphia on June 13, 2008.
“You lie!” yelled Rep. Joe Wilson, a South Carolina Republican at President Obama during an address of a joint session of Congress in September 2009.
“Commonsense Conservative & lovers of America: “Don't Retreat, Instead – RELOAD!” Sarah Palin tweeted on March 23, 2010.
Images of Nancy Pelosi burning in hell for the Republican National Committee's Fire Pelosi campaign, death threats against Rep. Bart Stupak, a key swing Democratic vote, after the passage of health care reform, talk "second amendment remedies" -- our political oratory is on steroids. Giffords herself was put under crosshairs by both the left and the right: by Sarah Palin as one of the seats she was targeting for the midterms and by Markos Moulitsas of the progressive Daily Kos blog for Giffords' vote against Nancy Pelosi for Speaker last week...



Blah blah blah. You can imagine the rest. "America needs to move forward! Far left opposition to concentration camps is dangerous extremism just like Loughlin's!" etc., etc.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:57 pm

nathan28 wrote:<...> dangerous extremism just like Loughlin's!" etc., etc.


it's spelled Loughner :P

is it pronounced "loaner" ?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:23 pm

Longtime Tucson resident here, hopefully able to shed some local light on things.
First and foremost, this really sucks, and my heart goes out to all the victims.
I have not checked out the website linked to oz, but I will later.
I understand it's pronounced loff-ner.
The guy in the pony tail is a taxi driver, who was in Safeway to get change he did not have with the shooter. I don't think he had anything to do with it.
Who/ what I think has something to do with it is the synchronous appearance of Palin's family and intent to run AZ politics.
Also, Brewer and Giffords were not as close as she says on the press conference. During the live conference she was asked how she knew Giffords, or was friends, and she stumbled through some bizarre answer.
Plus, this guy was no sharpshooter or even semi-skilled. He fired at least 31 rounds, and was confronted and stopped by a wounded female at the scene. I am sure she will turn out to be one of the heroines of this situation. I am glad he was not able to kill himself. I think he thought there was going to be security there.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:31 pm

it's been said the Judge had no plans to be there and was called an hour beforehand and asked to attend. The report didn't say WHO made that call.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:35 pm

The reports I read stated that he was at a church meeting around the corner and stopped by to say hello, basically, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby DrVolin » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:36 pm

http://drvolin-theconspiracist.blogspot ... icity.html

Tragichronicity

Major tragedies loom large in our minds, conscious and unconscious. They partly organize our perception of reality. In their light, we interpret our daily trials and travails. We construct their significance in ways that are meaningful to us as individuals and groups, from a daily to a historical scale. It isn't surprising then that in one tragedy, we find messages from another, that we interpret tragedies in terms of each other. Some tragedies are the result of unthinking, such as the sinking of the Titanic, or the fire on Apollo 1. Some are the result of planning, such as 9/11 and the mass shooting in Tuscon that has severely injured Representatve Giffords, killed six, and injured numerous others.

Regardless of their planning or their unplanning, because they serve the same function in our minds, taken together, all tragedies present an intricate web of synchronicities, or perhaps more accurately, tragichronicities. They can be positively arresting. The floor drops from under our minds when we hear that Christina Green, one of the most tragic victims of this shooting, was born on 9/11. Some may register a bit more astonishment on hearing that her grandfather's name is Dallas, the scene of another great political tragedy, another famous headshot, and the he managed both the New York Yankees and the New York Mets, the city's two teams.

Speaking of Dallas, most will at least register the fact that the Tuscon shooter's middle name is Lee, and that bucking the trend set by John Q. Public, who never calls himself John Quentin, but following in the footsteps of previous American political assassins and serial killers since at least John Wilkes Booth, he prominently uses both his given names and his family name.

Some souls blessed with superior awareness, which some call paranoia, may have caught the fact, briefly reported on the news, that a helpful physician named David Bowman, himself at the scene of the shooting, saved lives, perhaps including Giffords'. They may subconsciously not have been surprised that Giffords is married to an astronaut scheduled to be in command of the Space Shuttle's final mission this summer, a dramatic and some would say tragic event in its own right. Here we have the interesting case in which the fictional tragic loss of an astronaut in an epoch defining novel, winks at us from the midst of a real tragedy. The loss in space of the fictional David Bowman, of course reminds us of the loss of the Discovery crew, a ship which Giffords' husband also commanded before its tragic accident.

Finally, a tiny coincidence internal to the tragedy firmly grounds us back into the present, in which Arizona's eighth district was the scene of a great tragedy this January 8th.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby nathan28 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:36 pm

~3 FOR THESE EDUCATIONAL-CORRECTIONS OF THE MODIFICATION OF THE ENGLISH AND OTHER-LANGUAGES-WORLD-WIDE ARE WITH THESE CLAIMS OF THESE CORRECTIONS WITH THESE MODIFYING-LANGUAGES AND COMMUNICATIONS WHERE AN ADVERB-USE (PROCEDURAL-METHODS OF THE FICTION-COMMUNICATIONS) WITH THE NOUN(NO-NO) FOR THE CREATION OF A WORD THAT IS VOID OF ANY MEANING BY THESE FICTIONAL-SIMULATION-PERSONS OF THE COURT.


http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3012

I believe that colloquially this is referred to as "disappearing up your own asshole".

To be more analytical about things, this is sort of the vernacular right-populism by way of who knows what. It works great when you're Jordan Maxwell, but if you're a disgruntled misanthrope prone to schizophrenia and good with a pistol, well. I'm not buying that bullshit from Time Magazine's Soviet-style propaganda dep't about me being responsible. There's something going on here, even if it's nothing more than the mind-destroying potentials of certain obsessions.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:37 pm

ShinShinKid wrote:The reports I read stated that he was at a church meeting around the corner and stopped by to say hello, basically, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.


but also his wife is quoted a few pages back as saying he received a call from someone who invited him.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:52 pm

Ben D wrote:From seemslikeadream's post on page 3.
Image


Great, he says it with such young energetic aplomb...

The only thing the media should be using to describe this guy is "child killer".

happenstance wrote:"Conscience Dreaming", Loughner compared/connected to David Icke on MSNBC's Olbermann show.


Interesting...Ive never once heard mention or reference to Icke in the American mainstream(in the Beeb/UK media world he seems to be a curious fixture)
I remember reading when that light pole smashed through that taxi cab driver's car next to the Pentagon he had Icke's Children of the Matrix book in the passenger seat.

Jeff wrote:Forgive me, but for some reason I think this bears a repost.

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One of the best opening scenes/monologues Ive seen. That opening moment perfectly captures the overall feeling and theme I get whenever I read stuff on here.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:06 pm

DrVolin wrote:http://drvolin-theconspiracist.blogspot.com/2011/01/tragichronicity.html

Tragichronicity

Major tragedies loom large in our minds, conscious and unconscious. They partly organize our perception of reality. In their light, we interpret our daily trials and travails. We construct their significance in ways that are meaningful to us as individuals and groups, from a daily to a historical scale. It isn't surprising then that in one tragedy, we find messages from another, that we interpret tragedies in terms of each other. Some tragedies are the result of unthinking, such as the sinking of the Titanic, or the fire on Apollo 1. Some are the result of planning, such as 9/11 and the mass shooting in Tuscon that has severely injured Representatve Giffords, killed six, and injured numerous others.

Regardless of their planning or their unplanning, because they serve the same function in our minds, taken together, all tragedies present an intricate web of synchronicities, or perhaps more accurately, tragichronicities. They can be positively arresting. The floor drops from under our minds when we hear that Christina Green, one of the most tragic victims of this shooting, was born on 9/11. Some may register a bit more astonishment on hearing that her grandfather's name is Dallas, the scene of another great political tragedy, another famous headshot, and the he managed both the New York Yankees and the New York Mets, the city's two teams.

Speaking of Dallas, most will at least register the fact that the Tuscon shooter's middle name is Lee, and that bucking the trend set by John Q. Public, who never calls himself John Quentin, but following in the footsteps of previous American political assassins and serial killers since at least John Wilkes Booth, he prominently uses both his given names and his family name.

Some souls blessed with superior awareness, which some call paranoia, may have caught the fact, briefly reported on the news, that a helpful physician named David Bowman, himself at the scene of the shooting, saved lives, perhaps including Giffords'. They may subconsciously not have been surprised that Giffords is married to an astronaut scheduled to be in command of the Space Shuttle's final mission this summer, a dramatic and some would say tragic event in its own right. Here we have the interesting case in which the fictional tragic loss of an astronaut in an epoch defining novel, winks at us from the midst of a real tragedy. The loss in space of the fictional David Bowman, of course reminds us of the loss of the Discovery crew, a ship which Giffords' husband also commanded before its tragic accident.

Finally, a tiny coincidence internal to the tragedy firmly grounds us back into the present, in which Arizona's eighth district was the scene of a great tragedy this January 8th.


I didn't know about the Gifford space shuttle thing, nor that this is to be the last mission ever. I remember a lot of the odd syncs swirling around events like the Dec 2007 Omaha mall shooting(which involve Bush and Cheney), or the Oct 11th 2006 Yankee star pitcher new york high rise plane crash. Pontypool, Jake Kotze, Goro, etc are all onto something.

The media is really playing up the "tragedy bookends" angle regarding the young girl. Does anyone know if this girl's birth was in the media in 2001, or just made famous on the memorial book cover?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:33 pm

8bitagent wrote:
Interesting...Ive never once heard mention or reference to Icke in the American mainstream(in the Beeb/UK media world he seems to be a curious fixture)
I remember reading when that light pole smashed through that taxi cab driver's car next to the Pentagon he had Icke's Children of the Matrix book in the passenger seat.



yeah, neither have I. When I heard this Icke thing on Olbermann I was really surprised. Where the hell did that come from???? Conscience dreaming? I don't know if I should admit this here, but .. well, I'm a painter and so I like to listen to things while I paint. documentaries mostly.. and through this habit I have probably listened to 60 hours or so of David Icke material. I have never once heard Icke mention dreaming, let alone conscience dreaming.

This, to my way of thinking, is why this whole thing stinks. The general public plastering labels onto psycho strangers is one thing - the mainstream media planting ideas through plastering labels on mentally ill killers is quite another, and they have rushed to do that without the slightest bit of evidence that they are even close to the truth.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:20 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
Interesting...Ive never once heard mention or reference to Icke in the American mainstream(in the Beeb/UK media world he seems to be a curious fixture)
I remember reading when that light pole smashed through that taxi cab driver's car next to the Pentagon he had Icke's Children of the Matrix book in the passenger seat.



yeah, neither have I. When I heard this Icke thing on Olbermann I was really surprised. Where the hell did that come from???? Conscience dreaming? I don't know if I should admit this here, but .. well, I'm a painter and so I like to listen to things while I paint. documentaries mostly.. and through this habit I have probably listened to 60 hours or so of David Icke material. I have never once heard Icke mention dreaming, let alone conscience dreaming.

This, to my way of thinking, is why this whole thing stinks. The general public plastering labels onto psycho strangers is one thing - the mainstream media planting ideas through plastering labels on mentally ill killers is quite another, and they have rushed to do that without the slightest bit of evidence that they are even close to the truth.



Hey, we've all found ourselves listening to hours on end of Icke, Tsarion, etc. Heck I used to listen to Cooper and Maxwell. I used to listen to some of Icke's stuff, found some of his ramblings on Coast to Coast or Jonesypoo after a specific event or from those sold out British concert events.
The media is pretty quick to label a suspect or situation. I do think some of it is justified, like when MSNBC painted the Tiller killing as falling on the irresponsible shoulders on Fox News.

I do agree with the notion that Tea Party/right radio may have sent him over the edge...however, reports are coming in that he had been planning something since 2007 and had had some sort of correspondence/obsession over Giffords from awhile back. What worries me is just the thought of what really crazy crap is going to be coming our way in the next year or so...afterall, it's barely even January.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby slomo » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:53 am

Via Cryptogon comment:

Anatomy of an Assassination Attempt – Gabrielle Giffords
January 8, 2011
This is a sad day in American history. Before I go into my thoughts about the attempted assassination today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D – Arizona), I need to make some points:

- One, my deepest sympathies and condolences where need be to everyone involved, especially to the family of the nine year old child.

- Second, I do not in any way, shape, or form endorse or condone the killing or the harming of any innocent, ever.

I claim no personal knowledge of Rep. Giffords, but from what I understand, she was one of the few good guys in Washington. Anyone who knows me, knows full well I don’t play the political coin. You’re either up or down in my book. In my book she was up.

Now, what I want to do with what limited information I have on today’s events, is to give, for what it’s worth, my assessment. The reason I am doing this is multi-faceted — most of those reasons I am not able to divulge at this time but will become known later. But the fact being that I am being asked to do this, I will do so.

I have a particular expertise in the arena of assassination, and expertise in the area of preventing assassination (for more info on my background go here: http://www.duncanofinioan.com)

I had not intended to do another blog post any time in the near future. And being that I am traveling at the present time, and dictating this blog post while transversing very dangerous roads, please forgive me if it comes off as being just a little too “hillbilly”.

In my opinion, based upon my experiences and training, this was a hit. This was not some random jerkoff, pissed off at the world, who decides one day to go out with a double stacked Glock and commit this incredibly heinous act.

Let’s start with some questions that I have:

Where in the hell were these people’s security, i.e. Rep Giffords and Chief Judge John Roll? And yes, I heard the report that she liked to do these public events without security, but, boys and girls, that’s B.S. This is an elected government official. A congresswoman. Where was the secret service? Where was the State police? Where was the local law enforcement?
Knowing who these people were, why such a delay in official action? How long was the delay? Too damn long if nineteen people got shot. What are they doing, hiring Wal-Mart greeters away to do security at these events?
At the present time of the writing of this blog (9:41 PM EDT USA, not where I’m at, it’s way past my bedtime where I’m at), why in the hell are this guy’s videos still on YouTube?
This is an extremely important question: Who is / was John Roll, the Federal Judge who was killed? This question will become more important and more apparent as this thing moves forward. Officials claimed in a press conference this evening that he was the target, but it is more than possible that he was the actual target.
Where was John Roll shot? How many times was he shot? Why is the local sheriff refusing to release any information about how the shooting went down, in what order people were shot, and where on the body the judge was shot?
A major question that I have – how many shots were actually fired? What I’m trying to get at is, what was his hit ratio? This is not morbid fascination, this is pure investigative delving. The higher the hit ratio, the more firearms training and ability was involved, in my opinion. It doesn’t take an expert marksman to shoot someone at point blank range. But I also can’t believe no one saw him raise the gun and didn’t react. And agin, I must stress the question: Where was her protection?
But one thing I do not believe this was, was a false flag incident. This was carried out with a single-minded purpose, with a clear objective, and that objective was not to create a false flag incident. I do believe and I will state (this may put me in deep shit by saying this but it has to be said): Today’s tragic event was the proverbial two birds with one stone — someone that “they” wanted taken out was done so, whether it be the Congresswoman or the judge.

But the way this was done and the symbology indicated through the alleged writings of this alleged shooter was, in my opinion, partly done to wake up sleepers. Anyone with even a tangential knowledge of the government’s mind control programs such as MK ULTRA can readily and immediately see in these videos posted by the alleged shooter that they smack of programming, suspiciously worded phrasing, numbers, and direct mention of mind control and brainwashing.

Please do not write me asking my opinion beyond what I have written here tonight. I will not give it. This is an extremely serious situation above and beyond what most people see. I kept quiet about the hit on Hollywood publicist Ronni Chasen, but I cannot keep quiet now.

I fully expect a visit from some alphabet soup agency and with my present situation, I expect to speak with MI-6. And with that visit in mind, so be it. Again, I wish to offer my sincerest condolences and wishes where they are proper for all involved in today’s incident.

And hey — I guess I didn’t sound too hillbilly, did I?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Sepka » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:14 am

slomo wrote:Via Cryptogon comment:
A major question that I have – how many shots were actually fired? What I’m trying to get at is, what was his hit ratio? This is not morbid fascination, this is pure investigative delving. The higher the hit ratio, the more firearms training and ability was involved, in my opinion.


Well, I'm neither an expert on firearms nor assassinations, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you start shooting into a crowd at close range, you'll have a pretty good hit ratio regardless of skill. Also, I'd expect a professional assassin to concentrate on the high value targets (one of whom actually survived) and not waste time mowing down bystanders.

I do have to agree that if it was a plot (which I doubt), then the judge is a much more likely target.
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