The 9/11 Anti - propaganda onslaught thread.

[DrVolin]

Jack,

I very much read his face as you do. My own take is that he knew something was going to happen at some point to trigger a set of pre-planned responses. The face says: Now it has happened. I guess this is for real. He and his handlers clearly felt no urgency. But they were probably as stunned as anyone else at that form the event took. That was necessary. Then they reached for the latest draft of the Patriot Act.

[DrVolin]

Not saying I didn't see it. Just saying that it didn't strike me as a huge deal when I posted it. To me it was just a cool bunch of pictures illustrating the twin concept in architecture. I just don't see why it should be such a big deal and that is what I don't understand. I stumbled across it and thought it was a cool illustration. That is all I was thinking when I posted it. I really don't know much about zen gardener. I don't read his site regularly. As far as the larouche thing goes I posted a podcast. In that podcast a person made a one sentence reference to larouche and then went on with the interview. I just don't think its fair to hold me accountable for every single word someone else says or writes. Out of all my posts here I think there have been two articles, if I remember right, that contained subject matter similar to what got this little shit storm started. Its not like I have a habit of doing it regularly. I think it was only one sentence in a long article. I honestly didn't think much about it when I posted it because its not a subject I focus on or think about regularly.

If all of that is true, then a simple apology for involuntarily and uncritically spreading objectionable material will do. Along with a promise of greater diligence in the future.

[8bitagent]

Short on time at the moment, but checking in.

8Bit, yes, well, I guess you're correct. When you start going off into that as you eventually do, I'm turning away. I took, and one cannot 'untake' the 'red pill', but that magic and numerology talk is 'silliness' or the unprovable, imo. I say that not to dismiss, as I am entertained by some of the 'connections', but they are tenuous and flimsy at best. I like to not contaminate provable stuff with speculation when talking to people and going to the mat on things. I also can't understand how you bring up some of the stuff you do, and yet bash others for some of the weird stuff they mention. Not looking to argue or confront/challenge here, no way, just an observation.

Now for the Eyeno thing. Well, starting with admitting to my ignorace and lack of brain power when compared to posters here, I am sympathizing with Eyeno. I sometimes post things and do so to get the braintrust's take.
I might speculate too, but it is innocent, and that is what I get from Eyeno too. Just posting various things to get you people's take. If that poster were to leave, I for one would miss them.

Because this is RI. You think I bring up any of that stuff elsewhere? Hell I don't even bring up "answered questions" re: 9/11 within leftist forums or circles anymore.

My focus when people bring up 9/11 is the endless murder Bush and Uncle Obama along with Europe/NATO have brought. I think about all the innocents Uncle Tom is killing every day while having elite cocktail dinner parties yucking it up, just like his buddy Bush was. I think about the deeper Jungian field of psychology and Campbell myth created or the endless fog we all seem to be trapped in since Y2911K.

I've simply said I'm not convinced by some of the physical anomaly assertions, and try not to be married to anyone theory. And I've stated I do believe the small band of "al Qaeda" is a provable historical entity, however infiltrated and controlled.

Your name is 2012 countdown...is this a spoof of the 2012 hysteria people have? I will say, 9/11 being 11 years before 2012...I've long felt we're arcing toward *something* fierce, though I have no idea what.

[8bitagent]

Just caught this on one of my tumblr feeds. On a day where all these bastards are playing the same solemn piano music like they did when Oprah had her farewell. On a day that some of us, have been diligently following all along this whole time. I offer this joke I just got in my feed:

Knock knock.- Who’s there? - 9/11. - 9/11 who? - You bastard! You said you would never forget!

I am about ready to forget this 9/11 bullshit. There's just no way of escaping it though. Thus, we will never forget. We will be going over this for the rest of our lives.

Let us see what opening day of NFL football brings -- many games are about to kick off. Let's hope it is less interesting than more in the realms of awful acts and/or propaganda.

I told myself last week I wouldn't be online, wouldnt reference 9/11, and certainly wouldnt engage in braindead liberal or conservatard fuckheads on facebook or forums...and what happened? Ugh...Im glad I at least dont have tv reception or cable...I cant imagine the hardcore propaganda and egregoric PTSD Shit stirring going on.

I FUCKING HATE seeing god damn "remember the 3000" on countless twitter, facebook, forums...WHAT ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS THE US/NATO MURDERED AND MAIMED?

I never really swear in real life, but god damn. Fuck this government. Fuck the liberals. Fuck the conservatives. Fuck Washington. Fuck Obama bush Laden and fuck Baby Killers Incorporated AKA the US Military(feels relieved I can say that without getting chewed out)

[82_28]

You swear you don't swear? Cos if you don't, I don't think we can be friends.

Swear away. We need more swearing. It's the most important vocal act of disagreement there is. Fuck this mamsy pamsie shit. Fucking swear. Just swear for a fucking reason. With what you exhibit of your mind and soul, 8bit, you have every reason to be swearing.

[8bitagent]

You swear you don't swear? Cos if you don't, I don't think we can be friends.

Swear away. We need more swearing. It's the most important vocal act of disagreement there is. Fuck this mamsy pamsie shit. Fucking swear. Just swear for a fucking reason. With what you exhibit of your mind and soul, 8bit, you have every reason to be swearing.

Words are merely arbitrary to me...I could tell my kid "lawyer" and "Church" are horrible swear words. So yeah I'm with you on being irked at people being irked by swearing.
What it stems from is being raised strict, so in a way it's like a British person or Australian person trying to lose their accent. That's why I like the level of articulation on here compared to most forums.
But I also have that strong Carlin/Hicks rabble rouser in me that's a big middle finger to the world.

Also, Paris' What Would You Do? was the first 'conspiracy' type song I got introduced to in 2004. Absolutely love that one.

Btw...

as far as tuning out 9/11 propaganda...THIS was my Sept 11th 2011...spent going on a long beautiful jog, taking pictures, looking at quails and coyotes, helping an elderly gentlemen collect cans, working on art and calling up people I hadn't talked to in awhile. My own way to combat the 9/11 propaganda

[2012 Countdown]

I think about the deeper Jungian field of psychology and Campbell myth created or the endless fog we all seem to be trapped in since Y2911K.

I've simply said I'm not convinced by some of the physical anomaly assertions, and try not to be married to anyone theory. And I've stated I do believe the small band of "al Qaeda" is a provable historical entity, however infiltrated and controlled.

Your name is 2012 countdown...is this a spoof of the 2012 hysteria people have? I will say, 9/11 being 11 years before 2012...I've long felt we're arcing toward *something* fierce, though I have no idea what.

I understand. Fan of Jung here myself. My name? Well its half serious. Something cataclysmic is approaching it seems. Man made or cosmological- or both. Just seemed a good name at the time. Of course January 2013, if there is still an internet, I will be dated and either drop the countdown or vanish before there are calls for my banishment. I'm not committed to anything particular view, but a willing listener to all, weighing all input. Sorry to all for the off topic answer/discussion I may have started.

Love the Paris tune. It was an instant classic.

Back on topic, the financial board I sometime go to has a 'Honor the Troops for Defending our Freedom' re:9/11 thread. A few chimed in and all dissent/criticism posts have been deleted. I am awaiting to be put in the penalty box (yet again). The wingers are allowed free reign, but the liberals get censored and deleted. Irony is deletion of freedom of speech to 'support freedom'. Some good posts were deleted too. And the punch line? Its a Canadian site! Go figure.

[JackRiddler]

Jack,

I very much read his face as you do. My own take is that he knew something was going to happen at some point to trigger a set of pre-planned responses. The face says: Now it has happened. I guess this is for real. He and his handlers clearly felt no urgency. But they were probably as stunned as anyone else at that form the event took. That was necessary. Then they reached for the latest draft of the Patriot Act.

Yes. Nobody in the school would have been essential to the action, or needed to know exactly what would happen. The only necessity (as the Bush-Card interaction suggests) would be to sit tight while the something happened.

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[8bitagent]

I think about the deeper Jungian field of psychology and Campbell myth created or the endless fog we all seem to be trapped in since Y2911K.

I've simply said I'm not convinced by some of the physical anomaly assertions, and try not to be married to anyone theory. And I've stated I do believe the small band of "al Qaeda" is a provable historical entity, however infiltrated and controlled.

Your name is 2012 countdown...is this a spoof of the 2012 hysteria people have? I will say, 9/11 being 11 years before 2012...I've long felt we're arcing toward *something* fierce, though I have no idea what.

I understand. Fan of Jung here myself. My name? Well its half serious. Something cataclysmic is approaching it seems. Man made or cosmological- or both. Just seemed a good name at the time. Of course January 2013, if there is still an internet, I will be dated and either drop the countdown or vanish before there are calls for my banishment. I'm not committed to anything particular view, but a willing listener to all, weighing all input. Sorry to all for the off topic answer/discussion I may have started.

Love the Paris tune. It was an instant classic.

Back on topic, the financial board I sometime go to has a 'Honor the Troops for Defending our Freedom' re:9/11 thread. A few chimed in and all dissent/criticism posts have been deleted. I am awaiting to be put in the penalty box (yet again). The wingers are allowed free reign, but the liberals get censored and deleted. Irony is deletion of freedom of speech to 'support freedom'. Some good posts were deleted too. And the punch line? Its a Canadian site! Go figure.

Oh lord, penalty box? Why do you willingly spend any time on such forums? Then again usually it's so called liberal forums where I get chewed out the most. Strangely I get along with right wingers...they're cool with talking about Obama being a wallstreet whore or talk of "Satanic elite/NWO" stuff. Liberals hate hearing about that stuff. Usually when I talk 9/11 truth, I keep it within overflowingly provable stuff like Saudi Arabia's over the top involvement. But I try not to spend much time in message forums these days.

See, my main point these days isn't trying to "wake people up" like I used to, but pointing out simple things like "Why is it only terrorism when a Muslim does it...but not when America/Israel/EU/NATO drops bombs on villagers?" or "Why cant we mourn BOTH the 3000 victims AND the hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed Muslims caused by America's 9/11 wars?"
Or "How can we trust a government that turned its back on the heroes of 9/11 at ground zero?"

You asked me a question and I was being coy earlier. Indeed, why do I sometimes chastise people focused on the controlled demolition/pentagon/anomaly stuff but then sometimes seem like I'm promoting a really wacko esoteric theory...especially when I normally like to focus on the "boring" court provable stuff of money trails, hijacker associates, etc. That's a good question. I too would have been like "dude, is this guy taking the David Icke kool aid?" a few years ago. I just started noticing in all these terror events 11 and 7 would be in the dates. I noticed certain symbols repeated, certain numbers(like -777 Dow), etc. Maybe it is all a "cosmic giggle" as Jake Kotze puts it. I assure people I have no angle though. I'm all about "warts and all" and often have changed or corrected my views instead of blindly sticking to debunked disinfo(like the Loose Change garbage many people defended and which the media still thinks is the be all-end all of trutherdom)

It seemed like this year things were ramping up....After Giffords shooting, we had mass animal dieoffs, revolutions, chaos across Europe, more wars, Japan disaster, etc. Now things are in an eerie calm once again. Nothing major event wise will shock or surprise me next year...also, if nothing big happens it wont surprise me either. I just want people to be positive and focus on goals for themselves...hell I now advocate turning away from being aware of whats going on:)

[2012 Countdown]

Well, I spend time there as it is supposed to be a financial forum. Somehow though the right wing OT comments and topics stay, while the liberal or counter (any counter) view is under the letter of the law.
So anyway, its official. 3 week BAN. This is maybe the 3-4th time. I couldn't help myself. Usually I ignore or try subtile qualified verbiage, but sometimes I say the truth and we get banned. They rule with an iron fist but its one of the few boards that are active and focus in what I am interested in. Really no need to go there much more, but when dittoheads spout their shit, I gotta speak up.

Of course your going to 'get along' with righties if you slam Obama. Of course! Tell them Perry/Romney/Etc. is the same and these same people will not be so agreeable.

777 Dow and the lottery ticket 911 on 9/11 (?) seem like directed man made things. Like surviving passports. Tools for propaganda.

[Prac]

You might remember the whistleblower Richard Grove from some years back. He currently hosts the Tragedy and Hope site http://tragedyandhope.com/

The latest Tragedy and Hope podcast is 911 Backdraft / Examining the Crimes 10 years later.

http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/en ... 7_08-07_00

Its well worth a listen

[Joe Hillshoist]

Oh, I give you 93, without question, that's a hit. Score one for Team Thelema. I don't give you AA 93 and I definitely don't get 175. There's a lot of lil' books by Crowley, with a lot of numbers in the titles of each and every one of 'em. They all sound super sinister and Satanic, too, even the lucid essays and the scatological jokes. I'm saying 175 is not impressive as a hit, and neither is 11 or 77. You can make a case drawing from other occult sources for 11 and 77, not such much Crowley. But really, what does any of that matter beyond my own graphomania, right? I'm down here on the ground with tissue paper wings and 2 tons of Burden of Proof in my pockets. Enjoy the view up there.

That whole thing (8bit's trip) makes alot of sense if you drop in a massive dose of retro causality.

I've never got the Crowley 9/11 thing myself, other than his obvious influence on Western Occultism.

Apparently study of L.L./The Book of the law is forbidden. So in that spirit here's Ch 3 verse 11:

This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. I will make easy to you the abstruction from the ill-ordered house in the Victorious City. Thou shalt thyself convey it with worship, o prophet, though thou likest it not. Thou shalt have danger & trouble. Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee. Worship me with fire & blood; worship me with swords & with spears. Let the woman be girt with a sword before me: let blood flow to my name. Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!

Yum.


Anyway where was I - thats right retrocausality.

9/11 is one of those things around which reality seems to curve. (Note I said seems. Reality doesn't fuck about 9/11, only some humans do really.) I don't quite get how, but there's this thing going on with it. Like if people close their eyes and wish hard enough the official story will become real, not just wrt to the details of the day, but mythologically or myth alogically. That event has imprinted itself so hard on western culture that its fucked with the separation between time going forward and time going backward.

[MacCruiskeen]

Wayne Kasper, very sharp and insightful about the more subtly destructive long-term effects of 9/11:

11 Sep 2011

Or Against Us

* Believe it or not, I was in the middle of 'doing it' when I heard the big news. When the phone rings as much as it did that day it's impossible to ignore; if only to tell the caller to fuck off.

* The irritability that results from coitus interruptus wasn't exactly tempered by the tone of news coverage: panicked anchors exchanging apocalyptic rumours based on guesswork; along with a news medium formatted to supply drama in the absence of facts. Indeed, I often wonder if that irritability was imprinted in my mind as a kind of permanent background 'static' for the decade that followed. Or maybe I've just been waiting for the fun to start again.

* "Oh - so it's not just a plane crash. Suppose I'll have to put my pants on now. We got mass murder - an historical event - live on TV here!" (As if I'd watch the rest of the show naked. What do you think I am? Some kind of weirdo?)

* Despite the emotional response demanded from the viewer, it was as memorable - and entertaining - a spectacle as any other I can recall. Well, it was on this side of the Atlantic anyway. Any real sense of dread wasn't felt until Bush emerged from his bunker, to issue his threat to Planet Earth. The rest of the week's narrative was devoted to covering his back, with a claustrophobic use of emotional blackmail. It's been fascinating to witness how well it worked on so many people.

* I don't care what the 'official' line emerged as (Right or Left). Everyone I spoke to over those next 48 hours assumed Bush et al at least knew it was going to happen. Some of us were paying close attention to his gang as soon as they were - ahem - 'elected'. Just bear in mind they cared as much about 'American lives' as they did anyone else's.

* I'm still pretty agnostic about the whole thing, but if you're willing to believe an insultingly convenient report that Henry Kissinger had a hand in, I'm afraid you could be an idiot. Detecting an outrageous lie doesn't mean I claim to be a bearer of 'the truth' either, before any dimwits try and annoy me in the comments box.

* I never once felt 'under threat' from Islamic terrorism. However, after London was bombed I felt awfully threatened by New Labour and its Enlightened Ideologues: contempt numbed by fear. I'm sure that's how they would have wanted it. Consider me punk'd.

* At the time, I was involved in anti-globalisation activities, at varying rates of commitment and interest. Over the years immediately following, I witnessed (and felt) enthusiasm and faith in those activities dwindle into scattered, atomised grumbles; occasionally stirred up when protests attracted attention from the liberal media, giving them a chance of a cameo in the mainstream spectacle. Sure, activism continued; but in my neck of the woods its focus tended to go from international, to national, to local, to a few blocks away from the front door, to arguing with a screen in your own living room. Whatever influence these regressions may have had on newer waves of protest remains to be seen.

* That many anti-globalisation activists I knew weren't averse to New World Order/Big Brother/Prison Planet alarmism before the attacks, but found themselves ever more marginalised as their fears became actively celebrated by mainstream media, is an irony I'd rather not dwell on too much. The hegemony of the 24 hour news cycle - and the attention economy that sustains it - confirms one simple, contemptuous message: Yeah, all your nightmares came true - so watcha gonna do about it?

* For many, the response to that message may have been doing their bit for the enclosure process. Just my own impressions, but in the years following 9-11 I found that people of different places of birth, race, religion, class and sexual orientation became less likely to mix with each other. Of course, that was probably exacerbated more by other factors (recent riots should remind us what those factors are) but the emergence of the Permanent Fear Economy didn't exactly help matters.

* Immediately following the attacks (or moreover, the military response), an overwhelming sense of unreality complemented a rapidly diminishing interest in popular culture. Sure, like many others I tried to 'engage' with both; but it really was a case of one bubble popping after another. Everything from giving a shit about the latest Hot New Band (TM), to the delusion that access to Easy Credit (R) constituted an 'income', to the notion that the Black President (c) represented a giant leap in progressive politics. Or indeed that my 'way of life' was under attack from anyone, apart from those passing the laws and making the deals.

* In 2011, attacks from the lawmakers and deal makers just keep on coming. Their fanatical violence still has the capacity to shock its most jaded victims. The saturated media cycle doesn't make it any easier to keep up, but it appears life is considerably worse for many of us than it was ten years ago. Outside the imperium, it's inconceivably worse. Today, I'm still stuck on the same question I was asking on September 11th 2001: What the fuck just happened then?

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http://perelebrun.blogspot.com/2011/09/ ... st-us.html

The comments are also worth reading.

[82_28]

^^^^Holy crap, it's not just me and a few others.

Those comments are great! "Time" really, really did "cease" for a bunch of others too. Amazing phenomenon 9/11 was. It's as though they completely ceased the ability to make progress (as progressives), the progress "they" are making is now outside of our abilities to comprehend, let alone accept, thus they have "ceased" our time and what we wanted to see happen as it was married to pop-culture as it was anyhow. Pop culture has now become the fear industry. They stopped us all in our tracks.

I fully lost all interest in new films, new acts, new bands etc as well. Hmmm. . .

[Skunkboy]