FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

[stillrobertpaulsen]

I thought this might be the best thread to link my most recent blog entry:

Tuesday, June 4, 2013

Accidental Death of a Chechen

"There is no greater equaliser than the stupidity of men– especially when those men have power."
-Dario Fo


The quote above from Nobel Prize winning playwright Dario Fo is written in the prologue to one of his most famous plays, Accidental Death of an Anarchist. The play, written in 1970 and described by Fo as "a grotesque farce about a tragic farce", deals with factual events in a fictional scenario. The factual events explored revolve around the death of Giuseppe Pinelli, an anarchist railway worker who while being interrogated by Milanese police regarding the Piazza Fontana Bombing of December 12, 1969, which killed 17 and wounded 88 people, died after falling from the fourth floor of the police station where he was being held.

The fictional scenario has a "Maniac" infiltrate the police station where he impersonates a judge heading an inquest reopening the investigation of the anarchist's death. By using dazzling wit and insight, the Maniac is able to trip up the police and get them to admit they are part of a cover-up. Through reconstruction of authentic documents in the Pinelli case, Fo uses the fictional Maniac character to prove the police lied about the evidence they had to the anarchist, then contradicted themselves to the media about what time they presented the false evidence. The police even claimed they tried to stop him from jumping and tore off one of his shoes, yet both shoes were found on his body.

The reality? The Piazza Fontana Bombing was part of the Strategy of Tension in which acts of terror were perpetrated by neo-fascist groups under the auspices of Masonic lodge Propaganda Due (P2) and Operation Gladio for the purpose of blaming them on left-wing groups to discredit them at a time that their popularity was on the verge of putting them in a place of power in the government. While Accidental Death of an Anarchist deals with these events as they were understood at that specific moment in time (1970), the play is still performed today as a timeless study of authoritarian repression and political duplicity. Often when it is staged, it is adapted with more contemporary references, such as in the link above which contains references to Nicaragua and the contras.




Dario Fo, 1997 Nobel Prize in Literature


I sincerely hope some theatre company in this country stages this play and adapts it to recent events that I would describe as a "tragic farce". That would be the events surrounding the death of Ibragim Todashev.

Man with ties to Boston bombing suspect admits role in 2011 murders; shot during FBI questioning

John Raoux / AP
An FBI investigator walks to the apartment where a man was shot by an FBI agent, on May 22, in Orlando, Fla.
By Richard Esposito, Pete Williams and Matthew DeLuca, NBC News
Dead Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev and another man — who was killed by the FBI on Wednesday — murdered three people in Massachusetts after a drug deal went wrong in 2011, law enforcement sources tell NBC News.

Sources say that what began as a drug ripoff ended in a triple homicide when Tsarnaev and friend Ibragim Todashev realized their victims would later be able to identify them.

Todashev was killed by a federal agent while giving a statement on his role on Wednesday in Orlando, Fla.

The man who was shot, Todashev, 27, allegedly attacked an agent with a knife while confessing to the slayings. He was not suspected of having played any role in the bombing that killed three people and injured scores more in April, but he did confess to being involved in a brutal Boston-area slaying two years ago, investigators said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05 ... oning?lite

But this version is not so cut and dry, according to those who knew him:

Feds: Man shot after attacking agent was being questioned about Boston bombing suspects and 2011 triple murder


By Richard A. Serrano, Henry Pierson Curtis and Amy Pavuk, Staff Writers
6:26 p.m. EDT, May 22, 2013


While all eyes were focused on Boston in the aftermath of the deadly marathon attack, federal agents in Orlando had quietly turned their attention to a Chechen-born mixed martial arts fighter with ties to the suspected bombers.

It wasn't until 27-year-old Ibragim Todashev was shot to death while being questioned — after lunging at an FBI agent with a knife in an Orlando condo early Wednesday — that it became clear the federal government's probe had extended to Central Florida.

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The FBI has been questioning and following Todashev relentlessly ever since the April 15 attack, his longtime friend Saeed Dunkaev told the Orlando Sentinel Wednesday.

Dunkaev, 25, said he and other Chechens who live in the gated Kissimmee community Orlando Sun Village were taken to the Kissimmee Police Department on Monday and interviewed by the FBI for three hours.

Several of Todashev's friends told the Sentinel that the FBI told him Tuesday would be his last interview and that he was going to be cleared.

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In recent weeks, Todashev became increasingly scared by what the friends described as near-constant surveillance by suspected agents following them. The same vehicles with dark-tinted windows parked across Old Vineland Road from their apartment complex and showed up whenever the friends went to a nearby hookah bar to relax in the evenings.

It appeared the FBI wanted them to know they were being watched, they said.
"Everywhere we'd go there were like three cars following us," said 22-year-old Khusen Taramov. "He was afraid they were going to make something up against him."

Taramov spent almost all of the last week with Todashev because, he said, his friend was scared and tired after weeks of being followed and occasionally questioned by FBI agents.

"I was with him every minute. I knew what was going on in his head," he said of Todashev's fear of being linked to the Boston Marathon bombing. "To me, it's a setup. This is what he was afraid of. They had nothing against him. He was innocent."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... full.story

According to his wife, the triple slaying accusation was never even brought up prior to the final interview. But where this story really gets weird is when the FBI starts changing it. You'll notice in two of the above links the FBI stated the killing was provoked by Todashev attacking them with a knife. But when no knife could be found at the scene of the crime, the weapon miraculously changed into a sword. Then, the story changed to something even more puzzling:

Officials: Man who knew Boston bombing suspect was unarmed when shot
By Sari Horwitz and Peter Finn, Published: May 29

A Chechen man who was fatally shot by an FBI agent last week during an interview about one of the Boston bombing suspects was unarmed, law enforcement officials said Wednesday.

An air of mystery has surrounded the FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev, 27, since it occurred in Todashev’s apartment early on the morning of May 22. The FBI said in a news release that day that Todashev, a former Boston resident who knew bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed during an interview with several law enforcement officers.

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One law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation, said Wednesday that Todashev lunged at the agent and overturned a table. But the official said Todashev did not have a gun or a knife. A second official also said Todashev was unarmed.

An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation occurred.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... ingtonpost

On top of this revelation, Todashev's father held a press conference where he exhibited photos taken from his son's friend, Khusen Taramov, of Todashev's body at the mortuary, which revealed six shots to the torso and one to the back of the head. Even Rachel Maddow noted the strangeness of it all. “How does that comport with the FBI’s story that he was killed during questioning by armed agents who were only acting in self defense?” she asked. “Shot seven times, including in the back of the head?” But then the FBI changed the story again, this time to say that Todashev attacked them with a metal pole. Or maybe a broomstick. How many different versions of the story does that make?! And how many FBI agents actually witnessed the incident? Is it possible the FBI agent who shot him was waiting for the other law enforcement officials to leave the room so he could have an undisturbed window of opportunity to do the hit job and wrap up the triple homicide case neatly tied to the equally dead Boston Bomber, Tamerlan Tsarnaev? Or is this just the sort of speculation that couldn't possibly be true, Todashev must have confessed without an ounce of persecution from law enforcement officials, just to clear his conscience?

I would normally say, "You can't make this shit up!" Well, aside from the fact that Dario Fo already did over forty years ago.

[8bitagent]

I noticed a few people on my FB reposted this May 24th article, which is funny as noone else but Pravda seems to be reporting on this
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24- ... _killed-0/

The FBI agents, who eliminated Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died as they fell out of a helicopter, the press service of the FBI said.

Two officers of the counter-terrorism department of the Federal Bureau of Investigation died on Friday, May 17. The incident occurred during training exercises conducted by the FBI at a distance of 12 nautical miles from the coast of the U.S. state of Virginia.

An official statement from the FBI says that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw fell out of a helicopter while training a complex exercise. The agents were supposed to be lowered on a rope on a ship from a helicopter. For yet unknown reasons, the two agents fell out of the helicopter and were killed in the fall.

"Like all who serve on the Hostage Rescue Team, they accept the highest risk each and every day, when training and on operational missions, to keep our nation safe. Our hearts are with their wives, children, and other loved ones who feel their loss most deeply. And they will always be part of the FBI Family," FBI Director Robert S. Mueller said in a statement, according to CNN.

It's like the misreporting by conspiracy sites that said the shanook where the scores of Seals Six operatives dying in Afghanistan were part of the Bin Laden raid.

[pianoblues]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html

FBI tight-lipped on Todashev killing
By Maria Sacchetti
| Globe Staff

June 06, 2013

One afternoon in October 2009, the FBI descended on a warehouse in Dearborn, Mich., and confronted a Muslim cleric with a criminal record, allegedly unloading televisions he thought had been stolen. Agents said he shot and killed their dog and fired at them. He died in a hail of FBI bullets.

Like the FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev on May 22 in Orlando, the cleric’s death unleashed a storm of criticism from Muslim groups and the imam’s family and friends.

But one difference is stark: The day of the shooting, the FBI told the public that the man had fired a gun, so they shot him, justifying the use of deadly force. County officials also soon told the public he was shot multiple times.

But in the Todashev case, the FBI has refused to say if he was armed or to describe the violent confrontation they say led a Boston agent to kill him. And the agency has barred the medical examiner’s office from saying how many times he was shot.

“I want to know what their hesitation is,” said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Michigan. “If he was doing some sort of threatening act, then tell the public what it was. You just can’t shoot citizens or legal residents and say, ‘Oh, we killed him, but we’re not going to tell you why.’ If we accept that as Americans, what makes the FBI any better than the old KGB in Russia or any other totalitarian security force?”

The FBI’s refusal to provide details of the Todashev case contrasts sharply with past shootings involving agents, including one 12 days before in Illinois. Within 24 hours, the FBI issued a press release saying agents shot and killed Tony Starnes, 45, when he allegedly rammed an agent’s vehicle with a stolen Honda Civic.

In May 2010, the FBI quickly reported that an agent shot and killed Ronald J. Bullock, a 61-year-old Army veteran from Hanson, at a military base in Tampa when he allegedly approached the agent with a knife.

Yet more than two weeks after Todashev’s death, the agency has remained unclear about what led to the supposed confrontation and why the agent shot the 27-year-old mixed martial arts competitor with a criminal record, including an arrest last month for a violent assault. Todashev, an ethnic Chechen from Russia who used to live in Boston and Cambridge, was a friend of suspected bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, killed by police days after the April 15 bombings.

The day of the Todashev shooting, FBI spokesman Greg Comcowich issued a brief press release saying that an agent, Massachusetts State Police, and other law enforcement were interviewing an individual later identified as Todashev in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings. He said that Todashev initiated a “violent confrontation” and was killed.

Details seeped out through anonymous sources, including FBI agents, befuddling the public with sharply differing accounts.

The Globe and others initially reported that Todashev had a knife and that he had been questioned about a 2011 triple slaying in Waltham.

A week later, on May 29, the Washington Post reported that Todashev was unarmed. The FBI issued another press release that day merely identifying Todashev and his address.

The next day, The New York Times reported that Todashev had knocked the FBI agent down with a table and charged him with a metal pole or perhaps a broomstick. The agent shot him several times but Todashev lunged at him again, drawing more fire.

A federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the FBI investigation said the Times account of the confrontation is accurate. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is still under investigation, cautioned that the Todashev case is different from past shootings, partly because there are fewer witnesses, only a State Police investigator and the injured FBI agent who shot Todashev.

Other state and county agencies have shed little light on the matter. Massachusetts State Police, there to investigate the 2011 Waltham killings, would not comment; the Times reported that Todashev was about to sign a confession implicating himself and Tsarnaev in the deaths. The local state prosecutor in Florida is not investigating the Todashev shooting.

The county medical examiner in Florida has refused to divulge the cause of death at the FBI’s request, even though Todashev’s family has released photos of his bullet-riddled body to hold the FBI accountable. The office has confirmed only the manner of death: homicide. Sheri Blanton, the medical examiner’s spokeswoman, said state law bars the agency from releasing information in an active investigation.

“That’s what’s gagging us: We’ve been notified by law enforcement who are investigating this incident that we cannot release anything until they deem it not active any longer,” she said, referring to the FBI. “Our doctor knows exactly what happened, but he’s not able to release it just yet.”

In the absence of information, Todashev’s family, friends and the American Civil Liberties Union have called for an independent investigation.

The FBI’s Shooting Incident Review Group, which includes agents and the Department of Justice, is investigating the shooting and whether the use of deadly force was reasonable, as required. The FBI said the process is “thorough and objective.” As time passes, critics say, the FBI’s refusal to release information raises questions about whether they acted properly.

“You can rest assured that the information is not flattering to the FBI; if it was flattering, they’d either release it or leak it,” said Harvey Silverglate, a Boston criminal defense and civil liberties lawyer. “A reasonable person can draw inferences from the FBI’s silence that there was something highly irregular about the way this interrogation was done.”

But James T. Thurman, a former FBI investigator and now a professor in Kentucky, said providing too much information can endanger an investigation.

“It is way too soon to judge,” he said of the investigation into the Todashev shooting. “They may not know [what happened] fully at this point.”

Others say the FBI should be more forthcoming.

In the Dearborn case, federal and state investigations exonerated the FBI in the shooting death of Imam Luqman Ameen Abdullah. But Abdullah’s family said in a federal wrongful death lawsuit in Michigan that they believe that the imam was unarmed and defended himself only with his hands when an FBI dog mauled him.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations in Michigan has tried unsuccessfully through a lawsuit and formal requests to get investigative documents from the FBI.

Walid, executive director of the council in Michigan, said the Todashev case deserves an independent inquiry, as well.

“There needs to be an independent investigation, and by independent investigation I don’t mean the FBI or the DOJ investigating themselves,” he said. “It gives the appearance to the public that it is not an unbiased investigation.”

[pianoblues]

link to higher resolution graphic photos of post mortem Ibragim, bruise looks like he also got punched in the face.

http://publicintelligence.net/ibragim-todashev-photos/

[Hunter]

The FBI Changes Its Story (Again) on the Ibragim Todashev Shooting

Law enforcement officials are still trying to explain how a supposedly peaceful interview with an important witness in the Boston bombing case turned into a deadly shooting, but as usual, every new attempt to explain the death of Ibragim Todashev only raises more troubling questions. After originally accusing the suspect (and potential murderous accomplice of Boston bomber Tamleran Tsarnaev) of attacking an FBI agent with a knife, and then walking back that claim entirely, an new anonymous source says Todashev may have injured the agent with a table and a metal pole. Or maybe not.

Here's the way the attack was described in The New York Times. Everyone seems to agree that after several hours of interrogation, Todashev was prepared to confess to an unsolved murder that he and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were connected to. Then things get a lot less clear:

At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground. While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

So not only has the story changed again, it has now changed twice in the same sentence. The weapon has now gone from nothing to a knife, back to nothing to a table to a metal pole to a broomstick. Todashev was also apparently shot more than once, after an initial volley of "several shots" somehow failed to bring him down.

Oh, and there's a pretty big difference between a metal pole and a broomstick, and the fact that the Times source can't decide which one it is suggests they don't really know happened either. (CNN reported that Todashev owned a samurai sword that was in the room, but no one has yet suggested that he wielded that at any time.) With at least three witnesses, you're likely to get three different stories and we might never know which, if any of them, is the most accurate.

The new version of events also doesn't answer the question of why the FBI agent immediately began firing his weapon or why the other police officers in the room failed to intervene. Which leaves us right back where we started: A confusing scene, an apparently unnecessary death, and a very suspicious explanation. And on top of all that, the FBI lost what could have been one of their most valuable sources of information on what the Tsarnaev brothers were really up to before they carried out their attack.

UPDATE: John Miller of CBS News has a few extra details this morning that add to the Times account. According to his sources, one of the Massachusetts state troopers in the room became concerned that Todashev might try something, but rather that speak up and provoke him, he sent a text to the FBI agent. When the agent looked down to read the text, that's when Todashev attacked, again with an unknown object. The other officers in the room never pulled their guns.

Miller (who is a former FBI agent himself) also says an FBI shooting review board will investigate the shooting.


LOL at John Miller's extra detail. He's the spook who always gets the scoop!

I was confused for a bit about all of this but I finally figured it out, this isnt real, we are playing a game of CLUE here right?





What is really amazing is that this is the FBI, they are allegedly the best crime scene and crime investigators in the world, the model and standard for criminal investigation that everyone else strives for, CSIs that routinely find pubic hairs or a nail clipping in a shag carpet and can build entire cases around such microscopic pieces of evidence, yet here we are, the guy is laying dead at their feet and they still are unable to identify exactly what the weapon he attacked with is. It just blows my mind that we are actually being fed this shit, they must be doing this on purpose to see who is paying attention and how fast we will turn our heads from this and focus on the next scandal that comes down the pipeline and forget this ever happened. We have been fed one fucking scandal after another since the Boston Events, the AP, the IRS, Benghazi, now this and several others, one after another, and nothing comes of any of it, we just hear of one then move on to the next. It is unbelievable and I would LAUGH AT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE if they were to tell me this story and try and convince me that it is real and actually being reported in the MSM as such.


I dont even know what to say about any of, I am completely at loss for words.

[Hunter]

Atlantic Wire Analysis

What really confounds me about this account is the part where Todashev allegedly ran at the agent "with a metal pole" that "might have been a broomstick." If he was running with a large object in his hands when killed, how is there any doubt about what the object is? Anyone could just look at the dead guy and see what was in his hands, right? Or examine the stuff in the evidence locker. Pole or broomstick? This source doesn't know. It's also quite a feat to be shot, struck, knocked backward, and charge again toward a gun, especially for a guy who, according to his friends, was in recovery from leg surgery. And, of course, it's odd that this latest story is so different from the previous ones that have leaked out. A knife, a samurai sword, a metal pole, and a broomstick don't seem like objects that would be confused for one another.

Finally, this account has a police detective who ostensibly sees the table overturned, sees the FBI agent get injured, sees Todashev attacking with a poll, sees the injured agent draw and fire his gun as he tries to get up, sees Todashev knocked back and rushing forward again... but never fires his own weapon.

Why?

All that said, seeming discrepancies are often explained as investigations wear on, and it's certainly plausible for a strong, physically fit man to seize a moment of inattention during an hours long interrogation, upturn a table, and grab a household object with which to attack his interrogators. Forensics experts can presumably shed light on whether the wounds on Todashev are consistent with being shot, while standing, by an FBI agent in a "while trying to stand up" position. It would be great if the various reporters who've gotten quotes from anonymous law enforcement officials went back to their sources and demanded an explanation. "Why did you tell me x when officials are now saying y happened?" There's also the matter of the alleged confession that, by this latest account, Todashev had already started to write.

I wonder if we'll ever get to see that.

A few thoughts in conclusion. It's important to bear in mind how little we know for sure at this point. It could be that the FBI agent and detective involved in the shooting acted honorably and responsibly. It's also possible that this man was needlessly and wrongfully killed. The need to resolve that uncertainty, insofar as it is possible, is why as independent an investigation as possible is needed. It also seems clear to me that the FBI should assign someone trustworthy to set forth what it knows to be true on the record, in order to reduce misinformation as much as possible.

Stickdog I cant speak for everyone but from where I am sitting, your work here on this forum and this thread as well as others stands head and shoulders above the rest and it is sincerely appreciated, I really appreciate what you are bringing to the table especially since I dont have a lot of time to keep up with all these new reports so it is really great to come and see someone posting them all and keeping us informed as to what is going on, thanks for that, as well as thank you to the many others who are also contributing in such a manner, it is really helpful and appreciated!

[pianoblues]

It just blows my mind that we are actually being fed this shit, they must be doing this on purpose to see who is paying attention and how fast we will turn our heads from this and focus on the next scandal that comes down the pipeline and forget this ever happened. We have been fed one fucking scandal after another since the Boston Events, the AP, the IRS, Benghazi, now this and several others, one after another, and nothing comes of any of it, we just hear of one then move on to the next. It is unbelievable and I would LAUGH AT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE if they were to tell me this story and try and convince me that it is real and actually being reported in the MSM as such.

....turn our heads, or be >justifiably!! <investigated for NOT turning our heads...shouldn't matter what the FBI does, did, doesn't do or didn't do, right? They're the TV program good guys---if we don't understand that yet, don't believe the pictures MSM paints for our entertainment, aimed at making us feel more secure, better off in comparison to dead fellow, something is obviously wrong with us.

No one knows how long it will take the joint task forces to conclude their investigation and reveal to potato pawns who've bothered to remain interested, how, why, what are the lame ass details of a (as yet-so far explained) extrajudicial homicide.

[Hunter]

Where did the agents go? NY Times don't know

When the FBI first admitted that it had killed Ibragim Todashev, it indicated there were at least 5 people at the scene: Two Massachusetts State cops, the FBI Agent being blamed for shooting Todashev, and “law enforcement personnel” — plural — whom it chose not to describe at all.

The FBI is currently reviewing a shooting incident involving an FBI special agent. Based on preliminary information, the incident occurred in Orlando, Florida during the early morning hours of May 22, 2013. The agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers, and other law enforcement personnel were interviewing an individual in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a violent confrontation was initiated by the individual. During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent sustained non-life threatening injuries. As this incident is under review, we have no further details at this time.

That number correlates with the third-hand report of Kushen Taramov, Todashev’s friend who was at the site of the killing, but then sent home after some hours of interrogation himself.

The father said Taramov told him that U.S. agents interrogated him on the street while five officials interrogated Todashev in his Florida house for eight hours on May 22, the night he was shot.

But the anonymous law enforcement sources now trying to straighten out the FBI story seem to have kidnapped or disappeared those at least two other “law enforcement personnel.” CNN obliquely notes this, though doesn’t explain the discrepancy (or point out FBI’s official statement seeming to support Todashev and Taramov’s version).

Contrary to what a U.S. official said, Todashev’s father claimed there were “four of five” law enforcement agents with his son at the time, “all armed.”

The rest of the press seem to be blithely disappearing the at least two additional “law enforcement personnel” without comment, now reporting that just the FBI Agent and two MSP cops were at the scene.

NYT:

The shooting occurred after an F.B.I. agent from Boston and two detectives from the Massachusetts State Police had been interviewing Mr. Todashev for several hours about his possible involvement in a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in 2011, according to the law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

CBS:

The FBI says 27-year-old mixed martial arts fighter Ibragim Todashev was killed last week during a violent confrontation in his Orlando home while an FBI agent and two Massachusetts state troopers questioned him about his ties to slain Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as well as about a 2011 triple slaying in Massachusetts.

AP:

The FBI says Todashev was being questioned by an FBI agent and two Massachusetts state troopers about his ties to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as well as about a 2011 triple slaying in Massachusetts.

Of course, between the time FBI said there was one FBI Agent and two MSP cops and at least two other “law enforcement personnel” and the FBI’s currently operative story that those at least two other “law enforcement personnel” weren’t there, one anonymous source was claiming secondhand that the (unnumbered) other “law enforcement officials” had stepped out of the room before the violence and killing started.

An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation occurred.

The current NYT version, which for some reason a bunch of commentators are taking as credible, suggests one “detective” was in the room when the violence and shooting went down, but did not fire a weapon.

[Todashev] then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said.

At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground.

While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.

There are a lot of ongoing problems with the FBI’s story, which I laid out here, and Conor Friedersdorf catalogued here. But this is an increasingly fascinating one.

The coroner in this case declared Todashev’s cause of death a homicide. But the FBI seems to be intent on ensuring that at least two people who were present at the scene of that homicide disappear entirely.

Who should be the first group or persons held responsible if there ever were a revolution or major protest on the street demanding accountability? The politicians, the media, the judicial authorities or the police?

I say the MEDIA, because they are truly the group that betrayed the trust of the American people and their ultimate purpose the most. Politicians are going to do what they do, there will always be corruption, that is not good but is inherent in that line of work, the media however, has the simple task of exposing that corruption and getting to the bottom of it to educate and inform the public about it so that the public can demand and effect real change and they have betrayed that duty and responsibility, they no longer ask the difficult questions, hell they dont even ask the easy and simple questions anymore.

The media is they who paves the road for corruption to continue on smoothly and without any bumps or pot holes along the way.


Absolutely sickening, really. So disappointing.

[Hammer of Los]

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Say sorry if harm by mistake or necessity!

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It be Way of Perfect Dao.

You not understand Way of Perfect Dao.

You harm me not.

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[Hunter]

It just blows my mind that we are actually being fed this shit, they must be doing this on purpose to see who is paying attention and how fast we will turn our heads from this and focus on the next scandal that comes down the pipeline and forget this ever happened. We have been fed one fucking scandal after another since the Boston Events, the AP, the IRS, Benghazi, now this and several others, one after another, and nothing comes of any of it, we just hear of one then move on to the next. It is unbelievable and I would LAUGH AT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE if they were to tell me this story and try and convince me that it is real and actually being reported in the MSM as such.

....turn our heads, or be >justifiably!! <investigated for NOT turning our heads...shouldn't matter what the FBI does, did, doesn't do or didn't do, right? They're the TV program good guys---if we don't understand that yet, don't believe the pictures MSM paints for our entertainment, aimed at making us feel more secure, better off in comparison to dead fellow, something is obviously wrong with us.

No one knows how long it will take the joint task forces to conclude their investigation and reveal to potato pawns who've bothered to remain interested, how, why, what are the lame ass details of a (as yet-so far explained) extrajudicial homicide.

Very well said and it is indeed US, I often forgetthat and try and blame anything and everything else but what it all essentially boils down to us, you, me, the rest of us, everyone, all of us. There is something really wrong with the American people that I do not see in the people of most other countries, check out the Arab Spring, sure it was likely manufactured by the CIA et al, plenty of evidence at the grassroots level that those mass protests were started by spooks on the ground working to destablize those countries, but those people, the masses still took to the streets at the end of the day and they stood up and made themselves known, whether they were manipulated or not isnt the point, they took to the streets, en mass and made demands that had to be acknowledged, but here in America, our people, we do no such thing, even with everything crumbling all around us (hyperbole sure but the point remains the same) we do nothing, utter silence, and while some of that is indeed the fault of the media, the very people who should be informing us all just how bad and corrupt it all is, at the end of the day we should be able to see that for ourselves and make some sort of effort to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING, about it, but we dont and for the love of god I cannot figure out why, we are too comfortable and too content for our own damn good and nothing will change until our feet are held to the fire and they start getting warm and force us to feel the pain.

I really try hard to stay away from the doom and gloom hyperbole stuff, but there are some major problems in this country, right now, a lot of very bad things happening that are going to have lasting and devastating effects on all of us and life as we know it to be. And everyone, the media included, the media more than anyone, just keeps looking the other way and forgetting it happened five minutes after it really did.

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This blog is by a woman who has pulled together some facts about the drug busts in Walham that mentioned before . I have just copied here part of her post , some of the speculation is not that" bold", but I like that she has put together information available in a way that I have not seen elsewhere
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"Two Major Drug Busts in Waltham and Watertown in 2011

There were two huge drug busts in the Waltham-Watertown area in 2011, one in May and the other in October. As far as I can tell, the two drug operations that were broken up were not connected with each other.

Watertown Drug Bust

In May, 2011, eighteen people were arrested on drug, extortion, and money-laundering charges after a year-long federal investigation and sting operation. Eight were local men, six of whom lived in Waltham, Watertown, Belmont, or Somerville–all towns in the same general area.

In addition, a former Watertown police officer was charged with interfering with the investigation by tipping off a Watertown man, Safwan Madarati, about the ongoing investigation and giving him the addresses of two Watertown officers so Madarati could attempt to intimidate them. “Madarati was involved in distributing marijuana, cocaine, ecstasy, and Oxycodone in and around Watertown.”

This was a huge operation that involved bringing in marijuana from Canada and storing it in warehouses in “Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and other states” for distribution. One such storage warehouse was in Waltham.

Madarati was also involved in collecting debts using “extortionate means,” which I guess is a fancy way of saying threats of bodily harm. For example,

At a hearing on July 26, Homeland Security Special Agent Michael Krol testified about a plot to harm the owner of a Newton jewelry store and a plot to harm alleged drug dealer Victor Loukas, who reportedly stole $80,000 in pills from Madarati, who is alleged to be a leader of the drug ring. Krol testified that agents saw Madarati go to Newton Automotive, owned by alleged drug dealer Hagop Sarkissian, with two men on Feb. 12 and “received information” from a witness that people at the garage had discussed collecting a $700,000 drug debt owed to Sarkissian.

The witness reportedly told agents that alleged drug ring member Sanusie Mo Kabba…would hire people to get the money from Cristofori Jewelers in Newton and specifically owner Mark Cristofori. The witness also said Kabba had a plan to threaten Cristofori and that if threatening didn’t work, “they would conduct more violent measures in order to get that money back,” Krol said.

Krol testified on March 17, a man later identified as Ronald Martinez walked into the jewelry store and asked for a Mike Cristofori. When Mark Cristofori told Martinez that person wasn’t in and asked if he could help, Martinez left the store. Shortly afterward a man walked up to the front of the store and “proceeded to unload a magazine from a high-powered handgun through the window” while two people were in the store…

According to The Washington Post, two friends of Teken and Weissman believed their murders were connected to the Watertown drug bust. The Post didn’t provide any more details, but I assume the friends believed that Teken and Weissman may have been in debt to the drug dealers. Of course Madarati had been arrested by that time, but he and his pals could still have arranged payback if they wanted to. Is it possible that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Ibragim Todashev had been hired by Madarati and his pals? Could Teken, Weissman, and Mess have been somehow involved in ratting out Madarati?

Waltham Drug Bust

In October, 2011, a little more than a month after the Waltham murders, there was a major drug bust in Waltham that involved a former Watertown City Councillor, Gus Bailey. From The Boston Globe:

A former Watertown councilor was arrested this week and charged with trafficking marijuana at his Waltham warehouse, where police found 1,062 pot plants and 300 pounds of loose cut marijuana, worth around $2 million, along with $20,000 in cash, according to authorities.

Thomas Gus Bailey, 49, was taken into custody Wednesday along with two other men – Auburndale resident Eric Falzon, 43, and Brookline resident Clay Gollobin, 42, said Cara O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex District Attorney’s office.

Bailey served as a councilor in Watertown from 2001 through 2005, according to Watertown’s town clerk, John Flynn….

All three suspects were charged with conspiracy to violate drug laws, possession with intent to distribute a Class D drug, and marijuana trafficking.

This wasn’t quite as big an operation as the one the feds broke up in May, but Bailey would probably still have needed other drug dealers to distribute his product and perhaps muscle to collect debts. Bailey had been in business for a long time, because there was evidence he had used drug money to buy cars during the time he was on the Watertown city council, which he left in 2005.

Bailey is capable of violence. He was arrested in October 2012 for assault and battery on his former girlfriend, who was also involved in the drug operation. Is it possible Bailey learned that Mess and Weissman were planning to get involved in growing and distributing large quantities of pot and sent Tamerlan and Todashev to threaten the two men? Then perhaps things got out of hand and the three men ended up dead?

Conclusion

Obviously, there was quite a bit of drug trafficking going on in the Watertown-Waltham area in 2011 when the murders of Mess, Weissman, and Teken took place. It’s clear that the three murdered men were heavily involved in using and selling drugs. I have to believe their murders are connected to one of the two major drug operations in the area at that time. Surely the FBI must have similar suspicions.

The Tsarnaev family were clearly not religious in any serious sense. At least three members of the Tsarnaev family were involved with drugs. In addition, they had other brushes with the law. Tamerlan had been arrested for assaulting a girlfriend, his mother was charged with shoplifting, and Dzhokhar had some kind of “car repair” operation going on with a local body shop owner. This isn’t that surprising. As I said earlier, this family couldn’t possibly have been surviving in Cambridge on welfare and minimum wage jobs like pizza delivery and home health care. They had to be involved in the underground economy, and there is plenty of evidence that they were.

The 64,000 question is why the FBI would shoot and kill Ibragim Todashev, a man who might have been able to tie the Tsarnaev brothers to the Waltham murders. This is complete speculation, but what if the FBI had been pushing Tamerlan to be an informant (or alternatively had been trying to set him up in one of their notorious sting operations and Todashev knew about it? But again, that’s a topic for another post.

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Who should be the first group or persons held responsible if there ever were a revolution or major protest on the street demanding accountability? The politicians, the media, the judicial authorities or the police?

Whoever mandated the situation -the killing-...IF it was mandated.

What, if anything, has changed since Pulitzer prize winner Carl Bernstein's '77 doozer of an article for Rolling Stone magazine describing the CIA's infiltration of MSM was published?

NBC, New York Post, Cox Enterprises (Atlanta Journal Constitution) CNN, eventually all settled out of court with Richard Jewell, the security guy unjustly accused of placing the bomb in the '96 Atlanta Olympics...easy-peezee; a booger of what they earned selling tantalizing but slanderous headlines...

Jean Charles de Menezes' ( the Brazilian guy shot 2 weeks after the London tube and bus bombings) family was eventually reimbursed for their substantial legal costs + a bit more than 100,000 pounds for their loss, by Scotland Yard.

Just paying off victim's or their families doesn't really cut the muster, however, when citizens and/or legal residents are subject to LE's obvious double standards regarding disclosure. Scary stuff, abuse of power....

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The Tsarnaev family were clearly not religious in any serious sense. At least three members of the Tsarnaev family were involved with drugs. In addition, they had other brushes with the law. Tamerlan had been arrested for assaulting a girlfriend, his mother was charged with shoplifting, and Dzhokhar had some kind of “car repair” operation going on with a local body shop owner. This isn’t that surprising. As I said earlier, this family couldn’t possibly have been surviving in Cambridge on welfare and minimum wage jobs like pizza delivery and home health care. They had to be involved in the underground economy, and there is plenty of evidence that they were.

The 64,000 question is why the FBI would shoot and kill Ibragim Todashev, a man who might have been able to tie the Tsarnaev brothers to the Waltham murders. This is complete speculation, but what if the FBI had been pushing Tamerlan to be an informant (or alternatively had been trying to set him up in one of their notorious sting operations and Todashev knew about it? But again, that’s a topic for another post.

First, Hiddenit, thanks for posting the Waltham drug biz accounts, interesting...as well Tamerlin's wife was arrested for shoplifting a way's back...Regarding the family's surviving on welfare, and minimum wage jobs, a neighbor mentioned that the family received some financial assistance as well from one of their uncles, without however, mentioning which one...U.Ruslan Tsarni adopted his sister's son, Husein, who lived with the Tsarnaev family for a few years when in he was in high school, both he and the other Uncle, the one who lives in Silver Spring MD appear quite well-off, so maybe the uncles were supplementing the family income somewhat as well? The 'underground economy' is loaded!... especially in Chechnya!