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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:54 am

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A genocide well underway.


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THE WAR NERD / JUNE 10, 2018

THE WAR NERD: ANGLO-AMERICAN MEDIA COMPLICITY IN YEMEN’S GENOCIDE

By Gary Brecher

We’re living through a massive artificial famine, right now. In NW Yemen, home of the Yemeni Shia who’ve fought off a Saudi-financed invasion, the “coalition” of invaders has settled on a slower, more effective strategy: artificial famine and blockade. This is how you kill off a troublesome population, not with bombs and guns alone. Hunger and disease are much better mass killers than firearms and bombs.

NW Yemen has been blockaded for years now. And the Saudi strategy is working well. Yemen has had up to amillion cases of cholera, an illness unheard of in countries with modern antibiotics. Untreated cholera is fatal in about half of all cases (versus 1% when normal treatment is available). Since medical supplies are being blockaded (with the help of the US Navy), and few journalists have made much effort to find out what has been going on in the blockaded areas, we may be dealing with an unreported death toll of half a million people, most of them children.

Yemen is a perfect target for artificial famine and blockade, because it never had enough farmland to feed its people. Before the Saudi invasion, Yemen imported almost 90% of its food supplies. When the Saudis imposed their blockade, cutting off all food imports to Hodeidah, the one Red-Sea port serving NW Yemen, those imports stopped. There has never been any alternative route for food supplies to Yemen. Even before the war, road traffic between Saudi and Yemenwas all but shut down. (Which is why, in a year spent a few miles from the Yemen border, I went up to the border many times, looked over it, but never gave a thought to crossing it. It would never have been allowed.)

So NW Yemen is closed off very nicely, from the Saudi view. Which is also the view of the US, UK, UAE, Israel, Kuwait, and the oil companies — basically, anyone who matters in this world. Shia Yemenis are dying at a very satisfactory rate, children first (because children are always the first to die in long sieges like this).

The next step for the Saudi-led “coalition” will be taking Hodeidah, the Shia provinces’ one source of food and medical aid. That operation is well underway as I write.

Last I’ve heard, Sunni forces are only a few km from Hodeidah town, and the Shia may choose to evacuate, withdraw inland to the mountains where they can fight more effectively against the expensive air power and armor of the invaders.

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The coalition attackers have taken a sensible approach to conquering Hodeidah, coming from the south along the coastal plain, where air and armor are at their most effective. There’s talk that this strategy was pushed by the UAE, which has bought some highly-placed foreign officers (including a US Lt. Col. who somehow insists he’s not “in” the UAE military, though he wears the uniform and draws God-knows-what insane salary from it) — and plenty of mercenaries, from places as far afield as Sudan (plenty of unemployed ex-Janjaweed throat-slitters looking for work these days) and Colombia, where there’s also a surplus of experienced killers.

The Saudis, who’ve been a disaster militarily from the start of this war, stalled out along the mountainous northern border and are now just trying to stop Shia technicals from overrunning any more Saudi towns along the border. So this advance toward Hodeidah from the south not only means the death of many inland civilians, it also shows the fracture-lines within the Saudi/UAE alliance running the invasion, suggesting that down the line a few months, even more Yemeniswill die as factions backed by the UAE fight others sponsored by Riyadh over who controls the conquered territory (think Saruman’s vs Sauron’s Orcs).

When the Shia fighters pull out — or even if they stay and make a last stand in the rubble of Hodeidah — the blockade will be airtight. From then on, it’s just a matter of waiting for the blockaded population to die off in such numbers that they lose the will to fight.

It happens pretty quickly. You, a Shia fighter, might be willing to die fighting the invaders, but you’re less likely to be willing to watch your children die. You’ll give up eventually, and the “invaders” who failed on the battlefield but won by blockade will roll triumphantly into your towns as if they were brave warriors.

It’s happened before. It’s how the Nigerian Army crushed the Igbo in Biafra in the 1960s. The Biafrans won on the battlefield, but the Nigerian Army was as well-connected, world-wide, as it was cowardly and corrupt. So it laid out big money to its foreign friends and got a very cooperative silence while it starved Biafra to death. That huge international silence had a lot to do with oil and money, just as this one does. When oil, money, and a huge international alliance all line up with the people starving out a troublesome minority, you can expect a complete media blackout on news about those who are dying.

And you’re living through one of those guilty silences right now. Very few journalists have shown any interest in reporting the suffering imposed by the blockade. One of the few to try is RWN guest Bethan McKernan, who just published the only story I can find in English about how losing Hodeidah will cause massive death among the Shia.

All the other media reports I’ve found on Hodeidah are so wildly pro-Saudi they read like parody. Here’s one example from the Saudi mouthpiece Arab News:

“…the failure of negotiations compels [the Saudi-led coalition] to enforce this military solution that will cut off resources from the Houthis once and for all, ultimately shifting the balance of the war and ending the suffering. It is not just a military objective, but a moral imperative.”

Did you catch that? Tightening the blockade by capturing Hodeidah is a “moral imperative.” And that was the English-language version, the soft sell aimed at foreigners. (Arab News is aimed at Anglo expats with money living in KSA, and routinely soft-pedals stories to push the “reformist” image of MbS and the other bin Salmans, one of whom is the boss of Arab News’s parent company.)

Other media in the Sunni world had a more openly bloodthirsty, gung-ho tilt. After all, it was only a decade ago that Bandar, one of the most powerful Saud princes, warned that the Shia had provoked the Ummah’s Sunni majority to the limit, and would soon meet their doom:

“Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence…had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: ‘The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally “God help the Shia”. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.’”

Another Saudi mouthpiece journal, Asharq Awsat, published in London but funded from Riyadh (and run by yet another bin Salman brother) gloated much more openly:

“The Saudi-led coalition and the legitimate forces will be able to tighten the siege on the coup militias and close the last important port it controls after the liberation of Hodeidah governorate and its strategic harbor.”

Asharq Awsat apparently didn’t get the PR memo that the conquest of Hodeidah should be spun as a way to open up humanitarian aid. No, they’re saying the inconvenient truth of the operation, that its goal is to “tighten the siege…and close the last important port…” supplying the Shia provinces of the interior.

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So the situation is lining up very nicely, militarily, for the UAE, Saudi, and their friends in D.C. and London. All you need to tighten the noose at this point in a campaign of extermination by famine/blockade is the silent collusion of world media.

And Lord, how happy the Anglo media have been to supply that last necessary element! Compare this silence to alleged starvation stories from Sunni regions of Syria.

If there was even a rumor that Sunni Syrians might be going hungry, every mainstream media outlet was all over the story. If their CIA-funded shills from the White Helmets made ridiculous claims of massacres and giant famines, later disproved, you could count on everyone from BBC to CNN to blast them over every TV in the Anglosphere.

But the hundreds of thousands of verified, real famine and epidemic cases in Yemen get very little coverage. There’s nothing subtle about why not. The Syrian Sunni jihadis were de facto allies of the US/UK/Saudi/Israel/UAE bloc. So their suffering needed to be amplified. The Shia Yemenis can be slandered with one word: “Iran.” Anything touched by Iran, for Anglo media, is inherently evil, and anything done to those so tainted needs no further justification. The “Houthi,” i.e. the Shia of NW Yemen, are allegedly puppets or proxies for Iran, the Shia Mister Big of journalistic imagination, and therefore legitimate targets for even the nastiest war of extermination (such as by hunger and disease.)

Just by the bye, the Iranian connection is mostly nonsense. The Shia of NW Yemen have been fighting against Sunni imperialists since the Ottomans tried to take their mountain villages centuries ago. They had no Iranian help then, and get very little now. The Sunni forces sent against them have always been the true foreign interlopers, featuring everything from Albanians to Egyptian contingents. But that kind of influence is just a normal fact about the world, to Anglosphere reporters, whereas even the faintest hint of Iranian aid is as horrifying as those globs of Alien goo on the landing craft of Ripley’s Nostromo.

The truth is that the mountain Shia of NW Yemen are eminently killable precisely because they DON’T have influential friends abroad. An inland population, very poor, isolated, facing a very rich and well-connected genocidal enemy — that’s the situation here, and it’s perfect for a successful extermination campaign.

As we see every day, via the non-coverage of this huge story by everyone (except the Cockburns, Bethan, and a few other brave outliers). There’ll be a time when the artificial famine in Yemen takes its place with other, similar horrors, like that in Ireland in the 1840s, Ukraine in the 1930s, and Bengal in the 1940s. And when revisionist scholars get around to counting the dead in this latest atrocity, they’ll note that there was a deadly silence from media outlets that should have known better—and DID know better, truth be told.

When Alfred Lord Tennyson, the adored Poet Laureate of Britain, was invited on a tour of Ireland at the very worst moment of the artificial famine there, he laid down strict conditions: he was to be provided with a coach with window shades that could be pulled down so as to shut out any view of “Irish distress” on the roads he traveled, and his hosts at every manor house were to instruct other guests to refrain from any mention whatsoever of this “distress”.

It’s what you see with most such famines. The loathing for the targeted minority long precedes their extermination. Once that loathing has been vented without blowback from world media, the genocidaires grow bolder, and begin to think practicalities. How and when, not “whether” to take out the troublemakers.

They don’t need, or even want, too much backing from media. All they ask is silence, distraction, anything other than the genocide itself. And they have the money and moral influence to enforce it (yes, weird as it sounds, money and power do strike most people as possessing moral force in their own right). With those advantages, and a liberal dispensing of cash to publishers, think tanks, and lobbyists, a lethal silence descends on those who are dying.

This is the last, most important element of the Ireland/Biafra/Bengal/Yemen strategy: a collusive silence from the media. Sure, it’ll be noted decades later. Books and articles will be devoted to explaining or justifying it (mostly “justifying” because powerful states tend to stay powerful, and don’t want their grandfathers’ crimes exposed).

And there’ll be a whole new set of career opportunities, for the grandkids of the journalists who are blocking the Yemen horror from their consciousness right now, in publishing scholarly articles on the complex quandaries that stopped their ancestors from seeing or smelling the corpses — when really (as I discovered when I once tried to research literary reactions to the Irish Famine) it was simple swinishness, generation after generation.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:08 pm

Senate Dem on Armed Services panel: Trump lying about CIA report on Khashoggi

Sen. Jack Reed: Trump lying about CIA report

Washington (CNN)The top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday accused President Donald Trump of lying about the CIA's report that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Trump said Thursday that the CIA "did not come to a conclusion" about the crown prince's involvement in the murder.

"They have feelings certain ways, but they didn't -- I have the report," Trump said.

When asked if the President was lying about the CIA's conclusion, Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Jack Reed said, "Yes. The CIA concluded that the crown prince of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the assassination of Khashoggi."

Khashoggi, a Saudi Arabian journalist and US resident, was killed in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul last month. He was a frequent critic of the Saudi Arabian government.

"They did it, as has been reported to the press, with high confidence, which is the highest level of accuracy that they will vouch for," Reed said. "It's based on facts, it's based on analysis. The notion that they didn't reach a conclusion is just unsubstantiated. The CIA has made that clear."

A senior US official and a source familiar with the matter told CNN that the CIA concluded last week that the crown prince personally ordered Khashoggi's killing. According to The Washington Post, which first reported on the CIA's assessment, US officials have high confidence in the report. The Saudi government has steadfastly denied the ruler was involved.
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A CIA official told CNN Friday that there is still is no smoking gun implicating the crown prince directly and the intelligence assessment is ongoing. As part of that process, the CIA is analyzing relevant intelligence within the context of what is already known about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the official said.

Intelligence officials have said the CIA presented the President with a confidence-based assessment given the facts of the situation.

Trump, who has emphasized US arms deals with Saudi Arabia as a key reason for maintaining the US alliance, praised the nation Thursday as a "strong ally" and said, "I don't know if anyone's going to be able to conclude that the crown prince did it."

"But whether he did or whether he didn't, he denies it vehemently," Trump said.

"The CIA doesn't say they did it," Trump said. "They said he might have done it -- that's a big difference."

"I hate the crime," the President said, inexplicably adding, "The crown prince hates it more than I do."

A US intelligence official acknowledged that Trump's statement earlier in the week -- in which he signaled he would not take strong action against Saudi Arabia or the crown prince -- has irked some members of the clandestine community but noted that the CIA provided the White House with an assessment based on the facts available, and if the President is skeptical or doesn't believe certain pieces of information, then that is his right.
"The White House might not like what's brought forward but ultimately what we provide is based on facts and it is up to the President to believe it or not," the official said, adding that the role of the intelligence community is to offer a confidence-based assessment given the facts available, not a conclusive determination.

A senior administration official told CNN that an intelligence report about the murder reportedly sent to Trump on Tuesday and delivered in physical form is an assessment of all the intelligence gathered so far, but will not present a final conclusion. That's in keeping with intelligence community practice: agencies assign a confidence level to their findings because intelligence isn't conclusive.

And though sources tell CNN that the CIA has assessed with high confidence that the prince directed Khashoggi's murder, which was conducted by members of bin Salman's inner circle, the fact that they don't make a final conclusion gives the White House an out.

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker told CNN earlier this week that top Trump administration officials need to brief the full Senate as soon as next week about the circumstances behind Khashoggi's killing before senators decide what actions to take against Saudi Arabia.
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Democrats must hold Trump accountable on Saudi Arabia. Adam Schiff explains how.

Greg Sargent
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President Trump has again brushed off the horrifying murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, blithely claiming that the Saudi crown prince “vehemently denied” any role in the killing. Trump again appears to be contradicting the CIA, which has reportedly determined that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman did, in fact, order the assassination, which was carried out by Saudi agents.

But, while in some ways Trump’s latest comments — delivered from his Mar-a-Lago resort on Thursday — reiterate his reprehensible statement from earlier this week, this time Trump went further, both in taking a cavalier stance toward the murder and in casting doubt on the CIA’s reported conclusion. Trump claimed the crown prince “hates” the crime and its coverup “more than I do” — which sounds a lot like exoneration — and characterized the CIA’s conclusions as mere “feelings.”

This raises the questions: What did the intelligence conclude, and is Trump deliberately downplaying it, which would constitute active participation in covering up the truth on the crown prince’s behalf?

It turns out we are not helpless in answering these questions. They can and will be the subject of scrutiny when Democrats take over the House majority next year.

In an interview with me, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) — the incoming chairman of the House Intelligence Committee — confirmed that the committee will be examining these and other questions related to Trump’s response to the Khashoggi murder and its broader implications.

“Certainly we will be delving further into the murder of Khashoggi, and I want to make sure that the committee is fully debriefed on it,” Schiff told me. “We will certainly want to examine what the intelligence community knows about the murder.”

In his latest comments, and in his recent statement, Trump cast the question of whether the crown prince ordered the killing as an unanswered one. In both, Trump said: “Maybe he did” and “maybe he didn’t.”

But as Schiff pointed out to me, congressional scrutiny of this matter will attempt to flesh out in greater detail what, in particular, the intelligence community has concluded and how firm the basis is for that conclusion. Members of Congress will then have a clearer sense of whether Trump is deliberately misrepresenting that conclusion to protect the crown prince, and if so, how audaciously.

“We’ll look at what the intelligence community assessments are at any given time,” Schiff said, while stressing that he was not characterizing the CIA’s conclusions on the Khashoggi killing one way or the other. “Then it will be quite clear whether the president is relying on the intelligence community and our best source of information or whether the president is representing something very different.”

Democrats will examine many questions about the Saudis

Schiff stressed, however, that the committee would look at much broader questions about the United States’ relationship with Saudi Arabia and about that country’s conduct on other fronts. Schiff vowed a “deep dive on Saudi Arabia” that would also look at “the war in Yemen,” at “how stable is the House of Saud” and how “the kingdom is treating its critics or members of the press generally,” among other things.

Trump has repeatedly justified his hands-off approach to the Khashoggi killing with lies about how much we’re benefiting from the relationship, particularly when it comes to continued arms sales. Schiff noted that the proper role of the Intelligence Committee would be to establish what exactly the intelligence tells us about the Saudis on all these fronts, which could then supply members of Congress with more information to try to hold the Saudis accountable — for example, through sanctions — in defiance of the president, if necessary.

“If members of Congress are able to get a complete briefing on Saudi Arabia” or on other matters, Schiff told me, and this shows “the facts to be at odds with what the president is representing,” then Congress will be “armed with good enough information that it can take action to make sure that our national interests are protected and that we base our policy on the facts.”

Schiff noted that this would enable Congress to determine whether Trump “is making representations to the public that are at odds with what we know.” Schiff also said the goal, on this and many other fronts, such as North Korea denuclearization, would be to “provide some accountability if the president is representing evidence that we know to be untrue and putting the country at risk.”

Scrutiny of Trump’s financial interests

Another big question is whether Trump’s financial relations with the Saudis are shaping his response in some way. Schiff said that Democrats will also delve into Trump’s international financial entanglements — on the Saudi matter and others — though he said which committees will look at what remains to be determined.

“There are a whole set of potential financial conflicts of interest and emoluments problems that Congress will need to get to the bottom of,” Schiff said. “Certainly if foreign investment in the Trump businesses is guiding U.S. policy in a way that’s antithetical to the country’s interests, we need to find out about it.”

The Trumpian ethos at stake

In his comments on Thursday, Trump was asked who should be held accountable for the Khashoggi murder. The president replied:

“Maybe the world should be held accountable because the world is a very, very vicious place.”

At the core of Trump’s refusal to hold the Saudis to account is his continued broader claim that bad things happen in this vicious, evil world and that he must act to protect U.S. interests — “America First!” — even if it means overlooking such conduct at times or doing other things people find distasteful. I’ve already detailed why the claim that Trump is even acting in U.S. interests in the first place is a lie on this and many other fronts.

But what’s also pivotal to this Trumpian posture is the notion that the question of what happened to Khashoggi is fundamentally unanswerable. If this illusion can be maintained, then Trump can continue to blame the generic “viciousness” of “the world” for it, which both makes it politically easier for Trump to protect the crown prince and makes accountability for this “viciousness” harder to attain — deliberately so. That is the truly reprehensible ethos at the core of Trump’s stance, and it is why the illusion on which it is based must be dispelled. Hopefully effective House Democratic oversight will succeed in doing just that.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:52 pm

Finland and Denmark join Germany in halting arms sales to Saudi Arabia

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Donald Trump's shifting rhetoric on Jamal Khashoggi's killing


After initially warning of "severe punishment" for the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, President Trump issued a statement defending Saudi Arabia. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)

BERLIN — Denmark and Finland both announced Thursday that they would halt future arms exports to Saudi Arabia, following a similar decision by neighboring Germany earlier this month. The Danish and Finnish announcements come the same week President Trump backed Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, despite the CIA assessing that he ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Denmark’s ban includes goods that can be used both for military and civilian purposes but is still less expansive than the German measures, which also included sales that had already been approved.

While the Nordic countries are tiny arms equipment exporters in comparison with bigger players such as the United States, Britain or France, their decision will probably exacerbate concerns within the European arms industry of a growing anti-Saudi consensus in the European Union and beyond.

Even though Trump has suggested that he will put Saudi investments and arms exports revenue above human rights concerns, lawmakers across the political spectrum and on both sides of the Atlantic have grown increasingly alarmed.

Apart from the killing of Washington Post contributing columnist Khashoggi at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul in October, a Saudi-led coalition has been accused of numerous human rights violations in Yemen since 2015. On Wednesday, international humanitarian organization Save the Children said that 85,000 children had starved to death there since the beginning of the intervention.

[85,000 children have starved to death during the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, says new report]

Speaking on Danish television Thursday, Denmark’s foreign minister, Anders Samuelsen, confirmed that the “continued worsening of the already terrible situation in Yemen and the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi” had led to the exports ban. He urged other E.U. members to also reevaluate their stances.

On Thursday, Finland also stopped arms equipment exports to the United Arab Emirates, which is part of the Saudi-led coalition intervening in Yemen. In its announcement, the Finnish government explicitly cited the “alarming humanitarian situation in Yemen.”

While Denmark, Finland and Germany are being celebrated by human rights advocates for following through on their threats to halt sales to the kingdom, bigger arms exporters have pointed out that the two nations have far less to lose domestically than others. And Germany has in the past shown that it is willing to break its own promises whenever pressure by human rights groups drops. After the current government vowed to halt all arms sales earlier this year, it approved new sales months later — only to halt them once again after the Khashoggi killing.

Denmark’s center-right government similarly faced criticism last year after it was reported that it had approved the sale of sensitive surveillance technology to Qatar, Oman and Saudi Arabia. The technology was produced by a Danish subsidiary of Britain’s weapons company BAE Systems, but its sale was approved by authorities in Copenhagen in 2016.

The export licenses were granted after Saudi officials maintained that the technology was supposed to be used only against criminal activity and terrorism.

But human rights groups feared that the software would almost certainly also be used by Saudi officials to spy on critics — a concern that turned out to be justified in the wake of the Khashoggi killing, after reports emerged that critics of the Saudi leadership had been monitored online. It’s unclear whether the same Danish technology was being used.

To giant weapons producers, the mounting resistance against arms sales to Saudi Arabia may pose challenges even if Britain, France and the United States refrain from imposing export bans. British and French producers import a number of components needed to assemble fighter jets or tanks from other E.U. countries, including Denmark and Germany, with the latter still being home to one of the world’s largest arms manufacturing industries.

If lawmakers in Germany, Finland or Denmark were to adopt an even more comprehensive definition of a Saudi sales ban, their decision may also disrupt supply chains in Britain and France, companies there fear.
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:00 pm

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Saudi Arabia Allegedly Tortured Women's Rights Activists Before Khashoggi Murder

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November 21, 2018

In the wake of the brutal torture and murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, multiple reports have surfaced alleging that the Saudi Arabian government has also tortured and sexually harassed imprisoned women’s rights activists.

At least eight female activists detained in the last year have reportedly been tortured by Saudi officials while in the nation’s Dhahban Prison, according to The Wall Street Journal. According to three separate testimonies obtained by Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch, the torture included electric shock, whipping, sleep deprivation tactics and sexual misconduct including forcible kissing, touching and sexual assault.

The activists showed physical evidence of torture that included red marks on the body, uncontrollable shaking in the hands; some were unable to walk or even stand. One testimony alleged that a woman was hung from the ceiling for a long period of time, and at least one activist attempted suicide multiple times while detained. The activists were also reportedly kept in solitary confinement for at least several months.


Human Rights Watch reported that it was “unclear whether [Saudi officials] were seeking to force the women to sign confessions or merely to punish them for their peaceful advocacy.”

The reports come just weeks after Khashoggi, a Washington Post journalist and resident of the U.S., disappeared after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2. It was later revealed that Khashoggi was tortured, dismembered and beheaded inside.


Any government that tortures women for demanding basic rights should face withering international criticism, not unblinking U.S. and U.K. support.
Michael Page, Human Rights Watch deputy Middle East director

“Only a few weeks after the ruthless killing of Jamal Khashoggi, these shocking reports of torture, sexual harassment and other forms of ill-treatment, if verified, expose further outrageous human rights violations by the Saudi authorities,” Amnesty International’s Middle East research director Lynn Maalouf said on Tuesday.

“Saudi authorities are directly responsible for the well-being of these women and men in detention,” Maalouf continued. “Not only have they been deprived them of their liberty for months now, simply for peacefully expressing their views, they are also subjecting them to horrendous physical suffering.”

Michael Page, the deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, also responded to the allegations of torture in a Wednesday statement.

“Any government that tortures women for demanding basic rights should face withering international criticism, not unblinking U.S. and U.K. support,” he said.

President Donald Trump has faced continuing criticism for doing little in response to the Khashoggi murder, despite a CIA conclusion that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the death of the journalist. Trump has instead stressed the importance of the U.S.-Saudi relationship, as well as the economic benefits of Saudi purchases of U.S. weapons.

Trump’s stance has prompted a barrage of bipartisan criticism. Sen Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), of late a staunch Trump supporter, said Tuesday “it is not in our national security interests to look the other way when it comes to the brutal murder” of Khashoggi.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the outgoing chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote on Twitter that “I never thought I’d see the day a White House would moonlight as a public relations firm for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.”

The crown prince, the country’s youngest ruler in modern history at 33 years old, has pushed modernizing the country by lifting the ban on female drivers, launching economic reforms and re-opening movie theaters for the first time in decades. Just weeks before lifting the driving ban, however, the crown prince cracked down on women’s activists and other peaceful protesters ― a move manycritics say was a power-hungry attempt to show that progressive change can only come from the government.

The government announced in August that it’s seeking the death penalty for five human rights activists on charges of incitement to protest and providing moral support to rioters. Of the five detainees is Israa al-Ghomgham, who would be the first woman to face the death penalty for non-violent human rights-related work.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:31 pm

Argentina mulls war crimes probe after Trump gave Saudis a pass on Khashoggi

Kim HjelmgaardUpdated 6:40 a.m. ET Nov. 27, 2018

Authorities in Argentina are examining a possible war crimes probe into Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as he takes part in his first foreign trip since the killing of writer Jamal Khashoggi and ahead of his appearance in Bueno Aires for an international summit with world leaders.

The potential investigation follows a complaint submitted late Monday by Human Rights Watch, a New York-based advocacy group, to Argentina's federal prosecutor.

It alleges the crown prince violated international law in connection with a Saudi-led military campaign in war-wracked Yemen, the Arab world's poorest country. Prince Mohammed could face criminal liability for his role as Saudi defense minister, although Argentine media said it was unlikely authorities would take up a case against him and Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler would also likely be shielded by his diplomatic status.

Ariel Lijo, the federal judge handling the case, could not be reached for comment.

Still, the submission also highlights the crown prince's "possible complicity in serious allegations of torture and other ill-treatment of Saudi citizens," including Khashoggi, a U.S. resident and columnist for The Washington Post who was killed inside the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2 as he tried to collect marriage documents.

More: Jamal Khashoggi: Lawmakers promise scrutiny of Trump's refusal to rebuke Saudis over journalist's murder

More: Report claims CIA has ‘smoking gun phone call’ linking Saudi crown prince to Jamal Khashoggi killing; Trump still stands by Saudis

Saudi authorities initially denied any knowledge of Khashoggi’s death, then conceded he was killed in an operation aimed at bringing the writer back to the kingdom. Yet they also insisted the crown prince was not aware of any such operation, a position that has satisfied President Donald Trump despite assessments by U.S. intelligence and other experts who believe he must have known about it. After sanctioning 17 Saudi nationals linked to the killing, Trump said last week he would not take any further action, partly because of Saudi oil wealth and its multi-billion-dollar purchases of U.S. arms.

Prince Mohammed embarked on his first foreign tour since Khashoggi's killing late last week when he visited Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, a close ally and reported mentor to the 33-year-old royal. Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates, is part of the Saudi-led coalition battling Iran-aligned Houthi rebels in Yemen. Over the weekend, the crown prince traveled to Bahrain, another country where Riyadh and Tehran have battled for influence. On Tuesday, he is expected in Tunisia, where protesters have called for his trip there to be cancelled amid the Khashoggi revelations.

When he attends the Group of 20 summit in Argentina on Friday, Prince Mohammed will come face to face with Trump as well as European leaders and Turkey’s president in what might amount to a kind of litmus test of his future status on the world stage.

"It’s really going to be about can you travel to the rest of Western capitals for the foreseeable future and expect to sort of shake people’s hands," H.A. Hellyer, a scholar at the Atlantic Council, told the Associated Press. "I’m not sure that that’s the case."

U.S. senators are meanwhile expected to vote this week on a measure to end U.S. military support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen. The vote on the War Powers Resolution is likely to take place Wednesday or Thursday. And that too will be a test of congressional support for the U.S.-Saudi alliance post-Khashoggi.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 123125002/


Kushner pressured US officials to inflate Saudi arms deal: Report

Trump's adviser and son-in-law sought to increase arms sales to 'symbolically solidify' US-Saudi ties, report says.

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“We need to sell them as much as possible," Kushner told colleagues at a national security council meeting [Leah Millis/Reuters]
President Donald Trump's senior adviser, Jared Kushner, inflated arms sale figures to Saudi Arabia in order to strengthen Washington's relationship with the Gulf nation, according to an ABC News report.

Citing two officials and three former White House aides, the US network said on Monday that Kushner, who is also Trump's son-in-law, pressured US State and Defense Department officials to inflate numbers in his bid to "symbolically solidify the new alliance between the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia".

In May 2017, Washington and Riyadh inked a much-touted arms deal estimated at $110bn, a number that critics have long questioned.

The deal however, which was signed by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) in Riyadh during Trump's first official trip abroad, was a memorandum of intent with "very little legal weight".

"This document does not create any authority to perform any work, award and contract, 'issue articles from stock', transfer funds, or otherwise obligate or create a binding commitment in any way either for the United States or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia," the document, which ABC obtained of a copy of, states.

In the run-up to the summit, Kushner was quoted by a White House source as telling colleagues at a national security council meeting that "we need to sell them as much as possible".

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Another source said there had been an ongoing debate between Kushner and officials at the Departments of Defense and State, respectively, to get a larger number because initially figures would only add up to 15bn.

Little progress has been made since the deal was reached however, with the Saudis so far having signed Letters of Offer and Acceptance (LOAs) valued at around $14.5bn for equipment, including helicopters, tanks, ships, weapons and training.

Riyadh has also passed on a September deadline to acquire the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) that comes with a price tag of $15bn.

According to ABC, many of the deals included in the memo lack details as to the type and quantity of equipment to be sold, some of which is not expected to be delivered until after 2022.

Kushner and Prince Mohammed developed a close working relationship since Trump's assumed office in January 2017.

Trump, meanwhile, has come out in support of MBS, dismissing a reported CIA assessment that the 33-year-old heir to the Saudi throne had ordered the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the country's consulate in Istanbul on October 2.

On November 20, Trump said he would not take any punitive measure against Riyadh, adding that a halt in arms sales to the kingdom's would allow China and Russia to fill the void.

"If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries," the president said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/ ... 36002.html


Saudi Prince's Friend's Villa Searched For Khashoggi Remains: Reports


Ankara:
One of the villas searched by Turkish police for the remains of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi belonged to a friend of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, reports said Tuesday.

Crime scene investigators using sniffer dogs and drones searched the Saudi businessman's residence and an adjacent villa during a 10-hour probe on Monday in the northwestern province of Yalova, Hurriyet daily reported.

Officers inspected three wells in the villas' gardens, Hurriyet said, while DHA news agency reported there were claims the buildings were illegal.

The villa belongs to Mohammed Ahmed al-Fawzan after he bought the land on which it is built on in 2014, the news agency reported.

Hurriyet described Fawzan as a "close friend" of Prince Mohammed.

In a video shared on the daily's website, large portraits of the crown prince and King Salman could be seen hanging on a wall inside the villa.

The second villa belonged to a business named Omary Tourism Gida, DHA agency reported.

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Turkish police conduct a search at a Turkey villa

Khashoggi, a contributor to The Washington Post, was strangled and dismembered by a team of 15 Saudi officials after he went into Riyadh's Istanbul consulate on October 2.

Khashoggi's body has not been found although police have searched the consulate, the consul general's residence and a forest in Istanbul.

There have been reports that Khashoggi's body was cut up and dissolved in acid.

Pro-government media has said acid traces had been found in the consulate's drains.

The Istanbul public prosecutor in charge of the investigation said on Monday that one of the Saudi suspects, Mansour Othman M. Abahussain, spoke to Fawzan on the phone a day before Khashoggi's killing.

Fawzan was not in Turkey at the time but the prosecutor believed the phone call was intended to find a way to remove or hide Khashoggi's body after its dismemberment.

Turkish officials have not said Fawzan is in any way linked to the murder and have not released any information about what, if anything, was found at the two villas.

After weeks of denial, Riyadh admitted Khashoggi, 59, was killed in what it described as a rogue operation, denying claims the crown prince ordered his death.

A former insider turned dissident, Khashoggi had written critical editorials of the kingdom and once compared the crown prince to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said the murder was ordered by the highest levels of the Saudi government but insisted King Salman was not to blame.


(Except for the headline, this story has not been edited by NDTV staff and is published from a syndicated feed.)
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White House prevents Gina Haspel from briefing Senate on Khashoggi murder


Mike Pompeo and James Mattis are due to give a briefing on Wednesday but there is no sign CIA director will take part

Julian BorgerFirst published on Tue 27 Nov 2018 13.04 EST
The White House has denied preventing the CIA director, Gina Haspel, from briefing the Senate on the murder of Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist, Jamal Khashoggi.

The secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, and the defence secretary, James Mattis, are due to give a briefing on US relations with Saudi Arabia to the entire Senate behind closed doors on Wednesday, ahead of a vote that could cut off US support for Riyadh’s military campaign in Yemen.

On a national security issue of such importance, it would be customary for a senior intelligence official to take part, Senate staffers said. On this occasion, the absence of the intelligence community is all the more glaring, as Haspel travelled to Istanbul to hear audio tapes of Khashoggi’s murder provided by Turkish intelligence, and then briefed Donald Trump.

Senior senators including the chairman of the foreign relations committee, Bob Corker, have called for Haspel to appear, but there was no sign on Tuesday evening that she will take part.

Officials said that the decision for Haspel not to appear in front of the committee came from the White House, but the national security adviser, John Bolton, denied it. “Certainly not,” he told reporters, but left it unclear why there would be no intelligence presence.

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According to multiple reports, the tapes and other intelligence material point clearly to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as having ordered Khashoggi’s killing in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October.

The US president has asserted, however, that the CIA report is inconclusive – a claim greeted with scepticism by many senators who expected to hear first-hand from Haspel on Wednesday on a brutal killing that appears to have help sway several senators against continuing military support to Riyadh for the war in Yemen.

That conflict is thought to have killed more than 50,000 people, with many of the casualties coming from the Saudi-led coalition’s aerial bombing campaign. The coalition’s use of economic blockades has meanwhile help bring the country to the brink of famine. Save the Children estimates that up to 85,000 children have died of hunger.

Against that backdrop the administration is increasingly nervous that the Senate will rebel against its policy of maintaining support for Riyadh and Prince Mohammed, asserting its powers under the War Powers Resolution.

As of Tuesday, however, the Senate was told by the administration to expect only Pompeo and Mattis at the Wednesday briefing. The White House did not respond to a query on the absence of an intelligence official.

“There is always an intel person there for a briefing like this,” a Senate staffer told the Guardian. “It is totally unprecedented and should be interpreted as nothing less than the Trump administration trying to silence the intelligence community.”

Bruce Riedel, a veteran CIA official and an expert on the US-Saudi relationship at the Brookings Institution, said: “Gina [Haspel] has been the case officer on this. She traveled to Turkey and she is the one who listened to the tapes and is reported to have briefed the president multiple times.

“This is further evidence that the White House is trying to outdo the Saudis in carrying out the worst cover-up in modern history,” Riedel added.

Bolton told reporters on Tuesday that he had not heard the tape of Khashoggi’s murder, and did not intend to.

“People who speak Arabic have listened to the tape and given us the substance of what’s in it,” Bolton said a White House briefing. Pressed on why he had not listened to something of such potential importance to relations with Riyadh, he retorted: “How many of you speak Arabic? I guess I should ask you why you think I should [listen]? What do you think I would learn from it?”

A previous attempt to cut off military assistance to Riyadh under the War Powers Resolution, sponsored by the independent senator Bernie Sanders, Democrat Chris Murphy and Republican Mike Lee, was blocked in March this year by a 55-44 margin.

But several senators who voted to shelve the resolution then have since changed their mind, including Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate foreign relations committee, and Corker.

Both senators have called for the administration to make a formal judgment on Prince Mohammed’s involvement in the Khashoggi murder and renewed calls for Haspel to appear on Wednesday.

“The briefings are lacking because there’s no one from the intelligence community there. That says to me that you are specifically trying not to have the key question asked,” Menendez said on Monday according to DefenseNews.

“I’ve laid in the railroad tracks in the past to keep us from blocking arms to Saudi Arabia,” Corker told reporters. “I’m in a real different place right now as it relates to Saudi Arabia.”

The timing of the vote on the Saudi resolution is unclear. Sanders has said there is support for holding it this week. The Republican majority leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, can try to postpone it, but cannot put it off indefinitely, as any measure under the War Powers Resolution has privileged status and cannot be stopped from going to the Senate floor for a vote.
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:44 pm

.

Too lazy to grab the headline stories for you, so be content with this approach:


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RESOLUTION TO END US INVOLVEMENT IN YEMEN WAR APPROVED FOR SENATE DEBATE


ARGENTINE PROSECUTOR APPARENTLY INVESTIGATING CHARGES AGAINST MBS AT G20

TUNISIANS PROTEST MBS VISIT


And we shall see what the next Turkish move is, or if they've gotten enough of what they wanted out of this.

So this is getting interesting. And it illustrates that it's silly to complain that Khasshoggi was just one guy, why aren't people responding to Yemen.

On the contrary, people are responding to Yemen more than before. Some things serve as icebreakers.

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Canada announces sanctions targeting Saudis linked to 'abhorrent' Khashoggi murder

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Published Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:18AM EST

Updated Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:34AM EST

The Canadian government has announced sanctions targeting 17 people linked to the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Khashoggi was killed last month at Saudi Arabia’s consulate in Istanbul. U.S. intelligence officials have said that the murder was carried out by agents of the Saudi government and ordered by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said Thursday that the sanctions were aimed at people “responsible for or complicit in” Khashoggi’s death. People affected by the sanctions will not be able to enter Canada and will have any assets they may have in the country frozen.

Speaking with reporters in Buenos Aires, Freeland said Canada had a responsibility to react, calling Khashoggi’s murder “vile” and “premeditated.”

She said to date, Saudi Arabia’s explanation lacks consistency and credibility.

“The murder of Jamal Khashoggi is abhorrent and represents an unconscionable attack on freedom of expression and freedom of the press,” she said.

“We continue to call for a credible and independent international investigation. This case is not closed. Those responsible for Mr. Khashoggi’s death must be held to account and must face justice.”

Freeland said Canada is currently reviewing its sale of light armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia, and as that review is ongoing, no new arms permits are being issued.

She was uncertain if a face-to-face meeting between Canadian officials and bin Salman would take place during the G20 summit.

Freeland said that Canadian security officials have been in direct contact with Turkey regarding its investigation, information has been shared, and that the director of CSIS has been to Turkey.

“We believe that in naming people and in saying in the view of the Government of Canada that someone is responsible for something so serious and so odious, it’s very important to gather all the facts. It's very important to act and to speak only on the basis of real certainty,” she said.

“These are not steps that we take lightly. There are not accusations that you can make likely.”

The list of 17 Saudis sanctioned by Canada includes the following people:

Mansour Othman ABAHUSSAIN (born 10 or 11 August 1972)
Naif Hassan ALARIFI (born 28 February 1986)
Fahad Shabib ALBALAWI (born 24 January 1985)
Meshal Saad ALBOSTANI (born 27 March 1987)
Thaar Ghaleb ALHARBI (born 1 August 1979)
Abdulaziz Mohammed ALHAWSAWI (born 20 July 1987)
Mustafa Mohammed ALMADANI (born 8 December 1961)
Badr Lafi ALOTAIBI (born 6 July 1973)
Khalid Aedh ALOTAIBI (born 28 June 1988)
Mohammad AL-OTAIBI (born 6 November 1964)
Saif Saad ALQAHTANI (born 1973)
Saud AL-QAHTANI (born 7 July 1978)
Turki Muserref ALSEHRI (born 1982)
Waleed Abdullah ALSEHRI (born 5 November 1980)
Mohammed Saad ALZAHRANI (born 8 March 1988)
Maher Abdulaziz MUTREB (born 23 May 1971)
Salah Mohammed TUBAIGY (born 20 August 1971)
Al-Qahtani was considered a friend and close adviser of bin Salman, who fired him after Khashoggi’s death. He is believed to be one of the two men who planned and ordered the murder, along with former deputy Saudi intelligence chief Ahmed al-Assiri, who was not targeted by the sanctions.

The crown prince was also not targeted. He is expected to be in attendance this weekend when a G20 summit begins in Argentina. Although the summit focuses on global economics, analysts have said it may present an opportunity for bin Salman to receive pushback on an international stage.

“On the eve of the G20, I think it is sending the right signal to say that the normalization of Mohamed bin Salman is not going to be accepted,” Bessma Momani, a senior fellow at the Centre for International Governance and Innovation, told CTV News Channel.

Momani said the de facto Saudi leader should expect to receive the cold shoulder at the summit from the likes of Canada, France and the U.K.

“It is not in their interest to be seen shaking his hand … but let’s not kid ourselves. There will be many governments and leaders – thinking of [Russian President Vladimir] Putin or China, and even [U.S. President] Donald Trump – who are more interested in making lucrative business deals with the Saudis than frankly standing on the right side of history with respect to the moral argument,” she said.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:59 pm

Some ancient-historical context (a mortal sin, I know; mea culpa):

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^^ 21 March 2016.

But orange. But Putin. But grifting

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‘Goodness gracious,’ Mr Obama said as an aide approached with the striking necklace. ‘That’s something there.’

He added: ‘I consider the king’s friendship a great blessing, and I am very appreciative that he would bestow this honor on me during this visit."

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^^2009

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:34 am

But this is good.

Of the minority in my country who can even distinguish the countries, no one thinks Trump represents a deviation regarding Saudi Arabia (or Israel - except for hyper-Likudists who seriously think of Obama as enemy, but that's their special case). Saudi is also still remembered for "15 out of 19" and the special relationship with Bush.

The corporate media have turned back to Russiagate for now but (in my own bubble perhaps) I expect more has stuck regarding the toxicity of the Saudi alliance than of the advertised Russian attacks.

Rather than complain (justifiably) about the lateness of any response regarding the Saudi-led US-participant atrocity Yemen, or the fact that Yemen wasn't enough in itself before Khasshoggi, one should hope it actually happens, that the Senate passes it. I am not organizing antiwar protests in this case yet but I'll join them.

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Saudi crown prince sent 11 messages to top aide who oversaw hit squad in the hours around Khashoggi’s murder, classified CIA intercepts reveal



CIA Intercepts Underpin Assessment Saudi Crown Prince Targeted Khashoggi

Conclusion that Mohammad ‘probably ordered’ killing relies in part on 11 messages he sent to adviser who oversaw hit squad around time it killed journalist

The CIA’s Evidence Linking Saudi Crown Prince to Khashoggi Killing

How did the CIA conclude that journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed on the orders of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman? WSJ’s Warren P. Strobel has an exclusive look at the secretive evidence behind the assessment. Photo: Reuters

By Warren P. Strobel
Updated Dec. 1, 2018 1:33 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON—Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman sent at least 11 messages to his closest adviser, who oversaw the team that killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi, in the hours before and after the journalist’s death in October, according to a highly classified CIA assessment.

The Saudi leader also in August 2017 had told associates that if his efforts to persuade Mr. Khashoggi to return to Saudi Arabia weren’t successful, “we could possibly lure him outside Saudi Arabia and make arrangements,” according to the assessment, a communication that it states “seems to foreshadow the Saudi operation launched against Khashoggi.”

Mr. Khashoggi, a critic of the kingdom’s leadership who lived in Virginia and wrote columns for the Washington Post, was killed by Saudi operatives on Oct. 2 shortly after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, where he sought papers needed to marry his Turkish fiancée.

Excerpts of the Central Intelligence Agency’s assessment, which cites electronic intercepts and other clandestine information, were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The CIA last month concluded that Prince Mohammed had likely ordered Mr. Khashoggi’s killing, and President Trump and leaders in Congress were briefed on intelligence gathered by the spy agency. Mr. Trump afterward questioned the CIA’s conclusion about the prince, saying “maybe he did; and maybe he didn’t.”

The previously unreported excerpts reviewed by the Journal state that the CIA has “medium-to-high confidence” that Prince Mohammed “personally targeted” Khashoggi and “probably ordered his death.” It added: “To be clear, we lack direct reporting of the Crown Prince issuing a kill order.”

The electronic messages sent by Prince Mohammed were to Saud al-Qahtani, according to the CIA. Mr. Qahtani supervised the 15-man team that killed Mr. Khashoggi and, during the same period, was also in direct communication with the team’s leader in Istanbul, the assessment says. The content of the messages between Prince Mohammed and Mr. Qahtani isn’t known, the document says. It doesn’t say in what form the messages were sent.

It is unclear from the excerpts whether the 2017 comments regarding luring Mr. Khashoggi to a third country cited in the assessment are from Prince Mohammed directly, or from someone else describing his remarks.

Saudi Arabia has acknowledged Mr. Khashoggi was murdered in the consulate. But it has denied Prince Mohammed had any role and blamed the operation on rogue operatives. The Saudi Public Prosecutor’s office last month announced charges against 11 Saudis in connection with Mr. Khashoggi’s death, saying it would seek the death penalty in five cases. The office didn't release their names.

The U.S. Treasury Department in mid-November slapped sanctions on 17 Saudis whom it linked to the killing. But Mr. Trump, in a statement days later, said he intended to maintain strong relations with the crown prince because of Saudi Arabia’s opposition to Iran, its investments in the U.S. and its role in the oil market.

The Trump administration’s posture has angered many in Congress, and the intercepts and intelligence gathered by the CIA may complicate Mr. Trump’s efforts to maintain relations with Prince Mohammed, the de facto leader one of the world’s biggest oil producers. The two are among the world’s leaders meeting this weekend in Buenos Aires for a summit of Group of 20 nations.

Earlier this week, the Senate voted to begin consideration of a resolution to withdraw U.S. support for a Saudi-led military coalition fighting against Houthi rebels in Yemen, with senators venting their frustration over Mr. Trump’s reluctance to hold Prince Mohammed responsible for Mr. Khashoggi’s death.

Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, seen here in London on Sept. 29, days before he was killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who met with senators Wednesday to try to forestall the resolution, has said that he had read every piece of U.S. intelligence regarding Mr. Khashoggi’s killing and that the agency didn’t find a so-called smoking gun. “There is no direct reporting connecting the crown prince to the order to murder Jamal Khashoggi,” Mr. Pompeo told reporters.

The judgment on Prince Mohammed’s likely culpability, the CIA assessment says, is based on the crown prince’s personal focus on Mr. Khashoggi, his tight control over the Saudi operatives sent to Istanbul to kill him, “and his authorizing some of the same operators to violently target other opponents.”

Mr. Qahtani has led Prince Mohammed’s efforts to crack down on dissent internally and abroad. He is one of the 17 sanctioned by the Treasury.

After this article’s initial publication online, a Saudi official, responding to an earlier request for comment to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, said, “HRH the Crown Prince communicates regularly with various senior officials within the Royal Court on different matters. At no time did HRH correspond with any Saudi officials in any government entity on harming Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen. We continue to categorically reject any accusations based on speculations.”


A CIA spokesman declined to comment on the report. A White House official said Friday the White House doesn’t comment on intelligence matters. Mr. Qahtani didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Trump last week said the CIA only had “feelings” about Prince Mohammed’s involvement, a statement that irked current and former U.S. intelligence officials. U.S. intelligence assessments are rarely black-and-white, often relying on fragments of information gathered clandestinely.

The highly classified CIA assessment says that the Saudi team sent to kill Mr. Khashoggi was assembled from Prince Mohammed’s top security units in the Royal Guard and in an organization run by Mr. Qahtani, the Center for Studies and Media Affairs at the Royal Court, the Saudi royal court’s media department.

“We assess it is highly unlikely this team of operators…carried out the operation without Muhammed bin Salman’s authorization,” it says.

The document says that Mr. Qahtani “explicitly requested the Crown Prince’s permission when he pursued other sensitive operations in 2015, which reflects the Crown Prince’s command and control expectations.”

Mr. Qahtani was fired by King Salman, the crown prince’s father, in the aftermath of the murder. But Mr. Qahtani informally continued some of his former functions as royal-court adviser, such as issuing directives to local journalists and brokering meetings for the crown prince, according to people familiar with the matter.

A U.S. official said that the U.S. government has recently developed information that under Mr. Qahtani, personnel from the Center for Studies and Media Affairs have for two years engaged in the kidnapping—sometimes overseas—and detention and harsh interrogation of Saudis whom the monarchy perceives as a threat. The interrogations have led to repeated physical harm to the detainees, the official said.

The CIA assessment said that since 2015 Prince Salman “has ordered Qahtani and CSMARC to target his opponents domestically and abroad, sometimes violently.”

Five employees of the center were involved in the Khashoggi operation, the assessment says. All five were also involved in abusive treatment of prominent Saudis detained at Riyadh’s Ritz-Carlton hotel in the fall of 2017 as part of what the Saudi government described as an anticorruption drive, it says.

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(CNN)A video is worth a thousand words: At the G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman can be seen flashing big smiles, laughing and giving each other a robust high five before sitting down for their meeting.

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This bizarre image lit up social media. Reporters have been tweeting out jokes about what the two men must have saying. "You would be happy too if you just got away with murder," wrote Aaron Blake of The Washington Post, as he offered his caption.
But the video is also deadly serious. As these two leaders laugh it up -- and are in the process of thawing tensions between their nations by working in partnership to shore up crude oil prices -- there is a total absence of moral leadership from America's President. The video comes out as Americans are still recoiling from the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi and on the same day it was reported that the UK authorities believe Putin approved of poison attacks that killed a Briton and harmed a former Russian spy and his daughter. (Saudi officials have insisted that bin Salman had nothing to do with the murder and Putin's government has said the nerve agent attacks in the UK weren't its doing.)
It gets directly to the heart of why President Donald Trump's family business might very well be legal, but it's certainly not very cool. During the campaign, some now wonder whether his bottom line influenced promises made to foreign leaders. When President Trump told reporters that, "I was allowed to do whatever I wanted during the campaign," he confirmed some of the worst fears that are circulating in the public.

Despite the paper-thin firewall separating the President from his two sons, who now control the business, there are also deep concerns about what motivated his positions once he was President on Russia's intervention in the 2016 US election as well as the murder of a Washington Post journalist by Saudi officials allegedly connected to MBS, and whether these stances have fundamentally undermined confidence in America's leadership role in the world. According to Gallup, only 40% of Americans approve of how Trump has handled foreign affairs.
It is almost impossible to know at this point why President Trump acts the way he does. While this is true of all presidents, rarely have we seen a situation where there have been genuine fears that the administration is being driven by personal economic considerations rather than the public interest or even other sorts of interest group and partisan considerations.

The reason Michael Cohen's admissions about the negotiations that were going on about the proposed Moscow Trump Tower project during the campaign, which one associate said could have included an offer to give Putin a $50 million suite in the building, is that they raise the big question of whether US policies have been influenced by the President's thirst for money. (Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, dismissed the idea that Trump was aware of discussion of a penthouse for Putin.)
The President didn't make matters much better when he made a defiant claim to a gaggle of reporters that as a businessman he could do whatever he wanted during the campaign and had the right to look into possible business opportunities until the election was over. If Robert Mueller has been looking for a possible motive that explains the President leaning over backwards to placate Putin at key points in the presidency, he might have found one.
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The same questions swirl around the President's position toward Saudi Arabia. While there are many legitimate reasons why the administration might seek to protect relations with Saudi Arabia and ignore a high-level murder, such as the need for this ally in a turbulent region of the world, it has not been lost on observers that Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, have real estate interests in New York that benefit from Saudi investment. The Saudis have also been loyal guests in Trump hotels.
The costs of the murky understanding that we have of Trump's business interests -- which stems from his refusal to release his tax returns during the campaign -- have been enormously damaging to our ability to evaluate foreign policy.

The new revelations understandably generate concerns about the worst possible form of corruption, namely that the President of the United States may have made big decisions about how to treat other countries based on his personal profit motive. It is as if Gilded Age corruption reached the global stage. If Americans were excited about having a businessman in the Oval Office, they are now learning about the potential costs of this mentality when that entrepreneur refuses to change his outlook on priorities.

Robert Mueller's final report will be important on a number of levels, such as determining whether there are grounds for impeachment and providing a better understanding of what happened in the 2016 election.

But restoring faith in the foreign policy process is as important as anything else. In certain respects, we are fortunate that the nation has not yet faced a major, immediate foreign policy crisis during Trump's presidency. If we did, it would be hard for many citizens to have full confidence that the President was acting in the best interests of the nation. Mueller's report will be pivotal to clearing the air, determining whether there is really nothing there to be concerned about, or providing the kind of data that would be needed for House Democrats to start cleaning up the mess that the President has left behind.

The short video that has made so many people cringe today draws its comedy from our fears and concerns. Why were the two men laughing? Where is President Trump when it comes to their behavior and what causes him to remain so silent? If Trump had greater authority on the world stage, and fewer questions looming about the ethics of his presidency, he would be in much better position to stand firm against the most abhorrent behavior that we have seen -- even if still maintaining relations.

Instead, we just see them laughing.
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Khashoggi murder: Erdogan demands Saudis extradite suspects

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Mr Erdogan said he was not trying to damage the Saudi royal family
Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has demanded that Saudi Arabia extradite the suspects in writer Jamal Khashoggi's murder.

Speaking after the G20 in Argentina, he said Khashoggi had not featured in the talks and only Canada's Justin Trudeau had brought the subject up.

Saudi Arabia has charged 11 people with the murder, but there is no suggestion it is ready to send them to Turkey.

It denies that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was involved in the killing.

The Saudi journalist was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October.

Where the Saudi prince stands revealed
Jamal Khashoggi: The story so far
Journalist who stepped into a consulate and vanished
President Donald Trump has also denied US media reports that the CIA believes such an operation would have needed the approval of Prince Mohammed, known as MBS.

Meanwhile Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has told CNN that he saw all the intelligence held by the US on the killing and said there was no direct evidence linking Prince Mohammed to the murder.

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Erdogan's frustration

By BBC Diplomatic Correspondent James Landale, Buenos Aires

President Erdogan remains deeply frustrated at Saudi Arabia's response to the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the country's consulate in Istanbul.

He accused the Saudi authorities of contradictions and lies, of changing their story and refusing to share information with the Turkish investigation. He said Crown Prince Mohammed had given world leaders at the G20 summit an "unbelievable explanation" of the situation, by arguing that Saudi Arabia could not be blamed unless the crime was proven.

The Turkish president said it was essential that the suspects detained by the Saudi authorities should be extradited to face trial in Turkey.

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What else did Erdogan say?

He added that the murder had been a test for the whole world, but insisted he did not want to damage the Saudi royal family.

He said solving the killing would be in the Saudi royal family's interests.


Vladimir Putin and the Saudi crown prince high-five
The Turkish president said Turkey had evidence that Khashoggi had been killed over the course of seven and a half minutes and had shared the evidence with those countries who had asked for it.

What does Saudi Arabia say?

The Gulf kingdom's public prosecutor has said Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate as a result of a "rogue operation" on the orders of an intelligence officer.

Khashoggi was given a lethal injection after a struggle. His body was then dismembered inside the consulate in Istanbul and the body parts were handed over to a local "collaborator" outside the grounds, the prosecutor said.

He said investigations had "revealed that the person who ordered the killing was the head of the negotiations team", but did not identify any of the 11 people charged with the murder.

Who was Jamal Khashoggi?

As a prominent journalist, he covered major stories including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the rise of Osama Bin Laden for various Saudi news organisations.

Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, Turkey, 6 May 2018Getty Images
Jamal Khashoggi had gone to Istanbul to obtain a marriage document
For decades he was close to the Saudi royal family and also served as an adviser to the government.

But he fell out of favour and went into self-imposed exile in the US last year. From there, he wrote a monthly column in the Washington Post in which he criticised the policies of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Jamal Khashoggi in his own words
In his first column for the newspaper, Khashoggi said he feared being arrested in an apparent crackdown on dissent overseen by the prince since.

In his last column, he criticised Saudi involvement in the Yemen conflict.


The BBC's Frank Gardner looks at what could happen to the man known as MBS
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46415224
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

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Gina Haspel was apparently furious that the WSJ got a look at the CIA assessment that showed that MBS was repeatedly in touch with an aide who was overseeing the Khashoggi killing at the time

Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashoggi Killing
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and other Saudi officials in Algeria on Sunday. Intercepts are said to underpin the C.I.A.’s assessment that he ordered the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.
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Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and other Saudi officials in Algeria on Sunday. Intercepts are said to underpin the C.I.A.’s assessment that he ordered the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.CreditCreditAnis Belghoul/Associated Press
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The C.I.A. has evidence that Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, communicated repeatedly with a key aide around the time that a team believed to have been under the aide’s command assassinated Jamal Khashoggi, according to former officials familiar with the intelligence.

The adviser, Saud al-Qahtani, topped the list of Saudis who were targeted by American sanctions last month over their suspected involvement in the killing of Mr. Khashoggi. American intelligence agencies have evidence that Prince Salman and Mr. Qahtani had 11 exchanges that roughly coincided with the hit team’s advance into the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, where Mr. Khashoggi was murdered.

The exchanges are a key piece of information that helped solidify the C.I.A.’s assessment that the crown prince ordered the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist and Virginia resident who had been critical of the Saudi government.

“This is the smoking gun, or at least the smoking phone call,” said Bruce Riedel, a former C.I.A. official now at the Brookings Institution. “There is only one thing they could possibly be talking about. This shows that the crown prince was witting of premeditated murder.”

The existence of the intercepts was first reported by The Wall Street Journal, which reviewed a highly classified document on the C.I.A. assessment of Mr. Khashoggi’s killing. The leak of the secret report, according to officials, infuriated Gina Haspel, the C.I.A. director. It has also intensified calls by members of Congress to have Ms. Haspel go to Capitol Hill to brief them.

Mr. Qahtani has been one of Prince Mohammed’s closest advisers. When the head of the hit team, Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, was recorded by Turkish intelligence saying “tell your boss” that the team had carried out the mission, he was believed by American intelligence agencies to have been communicating with Mr. Qahtani.

People briefed on the intelligence said they believed that the 11 exchanges between Prince Mohammed and Mr. Qahtani could very well have been the time when the aide shared the news.

Current and former officials insisted that while the communications are suggestive and reinforce the intelligence agency’s conclusions about the culpability of the crown prince, they are not the kind of definitive, direct evidence that President Trump has suggested would be needed to convince him that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing.
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Such evidence, the current and former officials said, is rarely collected, and the C.I.A. and other agencies often make their conclusions based on imperfect information. The C.I.A. has told lawmakers that it has medium to high confidence that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing. Medium to high certainty is a level short of high confidence, and demonstrates that the agency lacks a recording in which the crown prince orders the killing.
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The White House and Mr. Trump have shown little willingness to shift from their policy of continued support for Saudi Arabia and Prince Mohammed. Privately, even some Republicans on Capitol Hill who believe that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing have said they support the administration’s decision not to impose significant costs on Saudi Arabia, arguing that the kingdom’s support is needed to confront threats from Iran.

“Will the White House give up the cover-up of the cover-up? I don’t see any sign they are willing to change their tune,” Mr. Riedel said. “But this will certainly increase the pressure to get Gina Haspel to testify on the Hill.”

Members of Congress were unhappy that Ms. Haspel did not brief the Senate last week in a closed session alongside Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Administration officials had said Ms. Haspel could testify to Congress early next year, but congressional officials said they wanted Ms. Haspel to appear before Intelligence Committee members as soon as this week.

Senior C.I.A. officials have briefed leaders of the committees, but Ms. Haspel herself has not. The nature of the intercepts, whether they are from calls or text messages, is highly sensitive information, and the C.I.A. may be reluctant to share all of what it has collected, or how it did so.

It is not clear if the C.I.A. has the content of the communications between the two men. It is possible that American intelligence agencies know the substance of the communications, but it is also possible that they have collected only so-called metadata about them.

A number of other important questions remain unresolved. One is precisely what Mr. Qahtani was communicating to the crown prince in the 11 exchanges — the two men could have been in constant communication most days, not just at the time that Mr. Khashoggi was killed.


After the murder, Mr. Qahtani was stripped of his title of adviser to the royal court and was accused of contributing to the vitriolic language directed at Mr. Khashoggi. He is not, however, among those who have been charged in Saudi Arabia with his killing.

Mr. Qahtani, who was in charge of social media campaigns in the kingdom, has been involved in the power plays that have cemented Prince Mohammed’s grip on the country, including the detentions of royals and businessmen in the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh.

Mr. Qahtani began working in the royal court a decade ago, and later emerged as Prince Mohammed’s chief propagandist. With his large Twitter following, he helped create a blacklist of the crown prince’s enemies and then marshaled mass social media attacks against them.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/p ... cepts.html
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

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Corker: Saudi crown prince would be convicted of murder in ‘30 minutes’

By BURGESS EVERETT and MARIANNE LEVINE
12/04/2018 01:23 PM EST

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“To let it stand, in essence allows somebody like MBS to continue with immunity which is inappropriate,” Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker said Tuesday. | Zach Gibson/Getty Images
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman would be convicted of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in “30 minutes” if there were a jury trial, Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker said Tuesday after being briefed by the CIA.

Corker (R-Tenn.) and members of both parties expressed unbridled rage at Salman in the aftermath of the briefing from CIA Director Gina Haspel, which focused primarily on how Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey earlier this year. The State and Defense departments briefed senators last week, but they demanded to hear from Haspel after that meeting.

“I have zero question in my mind that the crown prince directed the murder … zero question,” Corker said. “Let me just put it this way. If he was in front of a jury he would have a unanimous verdict in 30 minutes. A guilty verdict.”

Senators in both parties last week took steps toward punishing Saudi Arabia — and breaking with the Trump administration — as they advanced a measure that would remove U.S. support for the Saudis in the civil war in Yemen. Lawmakers said they were still trying to figure out what to do next, but they vowed to take action in the absence of tougher action from President Donald Trump, who has declined to blame Salman specifically.

“To let it stand, in essence allows somebody like MBS to continue with immunity which is inappropriate,” Corker said. The Trump administration “puts Congress in a place where now we feel like we need to speak out, that this cannot stand. I would much rather … the administration speak to this.”

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