Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

[Wombaticus Rex]

Don't forget about organized crime. How's business been?

Sure, but the CIA runs on organized crime like the Mossad runs on Sayanim. That's not even corruption, it's their mission and there really a strategic imperative behind that; you need a seat at those tables in order to secure and perpetuate a global empire.

"The FBI chases bank robbers, the CIA robs banks."

[Harvey]

Don't forget about organized crime. How's business been?

Sure, but the CIA runs on organized crime like the Mossad runs on Sayanim. That's not even corruption, it's their mission and there really a strategic imperative behind that; you need a seat at those tables in order to secure and perpetuate a global empire.

"The FBI chases bank robbers, the CIA robs banks."

The full paragraph of that quote from the article reminds me of the thread FourthBase started on 9/11.

He ends the Goldsmiths talk with an anecdote about having lunch with his sources in the wake of 9/11. He vents his anger at the agencies for not sharing information. One of his CIA sources fires back: “Sy you still don’t get it after all these years – the FBI catches bank robbers, the CIA robs banks.” It is a delicious, if cryptic aphorism.

The comment, it strikes me, is easy enough to parse. In any case, the original poster of Die Hard sprang to mind. When I ask people what the film is about, so far every single one of them has replied: "It's about a group of terrorists who blow up a building." I tell them it's about a group of bank robbers who stage a 'terror attack' and blow up a building in order to get away with the biggest robbery in history.

When you squint at it, it is sort of suggestive, isn't it?






Back to topic...

[stickdog99]

If what the governor on MN is saying is true, my guess is that the whole event was staged and the "rebellion" was pre-planned and fomented by the same players who staged the event.

Remember Jeffrey Epstein? He "killed himself" less than 10 months ago. Since what should have been the biggest journalistic story in at lest the last 15 years, we have been treated to a flurry of events that make 9/11 look like child's play.

I got two quibbles. One, whole events are rarely staged. Even behind The Blind, you need real raw material to do effective School Plays, if you get my drift. The anger is very real here. As we've mentioned in the nCoV thread many times over, it's not so much that there was a guild table with a secret Coronavirus Plan ready to go; it's just that major players are always incentivized to take advantage of a crisis in the same set ways -- they do what works. Stigmergy more than conspiracy.

(Which is not to diminish the role of conspiracy, of course, any operation is a conspiracy. But as observers from the outside, we're generally too quick to see overall trends as singular conspiracies when it's generally more like a couple thousand of 'em, overlapping, conflicting, interpenetrating, collapsing.)

I also don't see much of a thread from Epstein to the present clusterfuck. Frankly, if ol' Jeffrey could have waited things out a little longer, he could have avoided the rigmarole of being a subject of media scrutiny at all, much less having to pull a Robert Maxwell and fake his own death. He could have just slunk off into the wall of noise.

Even the most effective players in the "Controlling The World" game are hanging on to a vertical rock wall by their bloody fingertips. The real world is howling chaos, and while they often use that effectively, they also spend just as much time being slammed by those same tides and having to constantly adapt to changing circumstances and operational failures. It's a multi-polar system and even the individual teams we've often delineated here are composed of rival factions and run by cut-throat assholes who would fuck the next man up the pyramid in a heartbeat -- and indeed, many of those cultures actively encourage this as a Darwinian quality control scheme.

I don't think that covering up mutual blackmail networks between CIA and Mossad was important enough to burn down the global economy. The awful reality is, most people just don't fucking care. Just like most people who got worked up about that story already believed those networks were there.

Insert McLuhan quote about public incredulity. Cheers.

My main point about Epstein's "suicide" is that it seems so, so long ago and so, so far away that something that happened just 10 months ago has all the immediacy of the Gulf of Tonkin incident at the moment.

Certain random events are responded to in a more orchestrated fashion than others, while certain non-random events are orchestrated from the start. It's all guesswork which are which. The only thing that is not guesswork is that certain neocon/neolib (whatever) forces are always poised to attempt to benefit for any chaos, instability, and/or mass media phenomenon.

But of course the anger is real. And deserved. At this point, you don't even have to be paying attention to be very legitimately angry.

[stickdog99]

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It's bad enough that coppers shoot them and choke them to death, but then, when they finally revolt, black people also have to hear that it's actually Soros or the "outside agitators" who are running their show.

What were the uprisings of 1965-69, or 1992, or just a few years ago in Ferguson and Baltimore? Just more color revolutions, eh? Of course, not in the earlier cases. Back then it was the COMMIES! THE REDS! (On this, WRex, you have remained consistent -- still drawing a kind of continuity to the imagined commie threat of then.)

Revising my assessment: this is a full blown domestic color revolution against a second Trump term. Watching how news channels and pundit operators handle this and talking points they have in common, this is way bigger than I thought. Gonna be a long summer. I would advise avoiding mass protests for awhile.

Yes, bullseye on #9!

http://leftycartoons.com/2011/11/14/the ... -movement/

And a couple of the posts upthread even name "Obama" and "CIA" as the originators of the #BLM protests. Poor Obama, he adopts Reagan as his father, he called the 2015 rioters "thugs" also, but he STILL gets blamed for it. I guess that's his real function in this?

But WRex! I guess you can accept that Wall Street actors don't need a central plan, since it's all kind of obvious what to do when they are handed a situation.

Why don't you grant the same autonomy to kids in the neighborhood?

No, apparently, I'm being told even the ROCKS get shipped in!

(By contrast, I am sad that I was too lazy and detached and missed last night's Brooklyn protest. I did get to hear the helicopter overhead. For hours.)

Anyway, it's not like we haven't had outbreaks of this kind of reactionary shit on RI before. After all, it's as American as...

A big one came with the first anti-Trump protests, and that's already four years ago, plus.

Fancy that, he runs around promising to build a wall against the Mexicans who are rapists and drug dealers, and he becomes the actual front-runner for the fucking presidency, and then Mexicans in Chicago (and students, and black people) organize a protest when he shows up there... and a bunch of our brilliant RI analysts decided that had to be SOROS. Color Revolution!

Because what else could it be, right?

Personally, I think this next guy's as sharp as he ever was, and he hasn't changed. Although, in this case, he lets others talk for him...

Liberals are turning on the protests because they’re realizing they aren’t designed to help elect Joe Biden but to destroy a system Joe Biden helped build.

"Protests break out.
Liberals: Yes! Also, vote!
Protestors: voting won’t stop cops from killing us.
Liberals: these are actually outside agitators."

The police are literally the outside agitators.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/stat ... 6372143105

Meanwhile, here's some unhinged exterminationist rhetoric about the people in the neighborhood as a foreign entity at total war with a besieged "civil society" of cops and national guard.

These words are, I am being told, very reasonable! "Serious, heartfelt."

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/0 ... since-ww2/

A1F
MN governor mobilizes full National Guard over rioting for first time since WW2
The Minneapolis Third Police Precinct is set on fire during a third night of protests following the death of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody, on Thursday, May 28, 2020. (Carlos Gonzalez/Minneapolis Star Tribune/TNS)
MAY 30, 2020 RYAN MORGAN

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has fully mobilized the state’s National Guard units to respond to ongoing rioting following the death of George Floyd in police custody.

The planned deployment would be the first full mobilization of the state’s guard since World War II. Minn. Nat Guard Adjutant Gen. Jon Jensen said about 1,000 guardsmen are ready to deploy and there would be about 1,700 by Saturday afternoon. The full Minnesota National Guard consists of more than 13,000 members, according to the Guard’s 2019 annual report.

Walz said the National Guard deployment would be the largest in the state’s history. One previously sizeable deployment the state had was during the 1960 race riots, and Walz said the new deployment would be three times larger.

“We built this state. We built the North Star. Everything that we believe in, these people are trying to destroy,” Walz said.

Who built the seven gates of Thebes, motherfucker? Fuck you.

“Our great cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul are under assault,” Walz said. “The situation in in Minneapolis is now about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great city.”

On Thursday, Walz had deployed 500 Guardsmen, and another 200 on Friday night. Still, the deployment and the 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew implemented in Minneapolis was not enough to quell the violent demonstrations, which persisted and continued to destroy buildings and vehicles.

Walz said officials had previously underestimated the size of the protests, which he noted have appeared to swell due to out of state individuals participating. Walz said approximately 80 percent of protesters were thought to be out-of-state residents, while only 20 percent were estimated to be Minnesota residents.

People in solidarity with a community finally defending itself? NO, OUTSIDE AGITATORS! 1919 says hello!

“I will take responsibility for underestimating the wanton destruction and size of this crowd,” Walz said. “There’s simply more of them than us.”

“The militarization of civilian population is a deep concern,” Walz said. “If you are on the street tonight, it is very clear: you are not with us. You do not share our values. And we will use the full strength of goodness and righteousness to make sure that this ends.”

A tweet from the Minnesota National Guard on Saturday confirmed they would indeed be mobilizing — and were “all in” to do so.

MN National Guard
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@MNNationalGuard
Minnesota @GovTimWalz has announced the full mobilization of the @MNNationalGuard for the first time since World War II. We are "all-in" to restore order and maintain and keep the peace in Minnesota.

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10:38 AM - May 30, 2020
607 people are talking about this
“More than 1,000 additional Citizen-Soldiers and Airmen are activating today. This is in addition to the 700 that were on duty as of late last night. This represents the largest domestic deployment in the Minnesota’s National Guard’s 164-year history,” another tweet from the Guard said.

MN National Guard
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@MNNationalGuard
More than 1,000 additional Citizen-Soldiers and Airmen are activating today. This is in addition to the 700 that were on duty as of late last night. This represents the largest domestic deployment in the Minnesota’s National Guard’s 164-year history.

Protests erupted in cities across the country on Friday night, including New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Phoenix, Denver, cities in California, and more. Those protests were condemned by city and state leaders, as well as from President Trump.

Brainwashed kids

You're older now, you don't have that excuse.

Has RI become an Alt-right hang out?!

You'd think, sometimes, but not yet!

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Thanks for the context. I should have known better than to trust a Governor's word.

[JackRiddler]

this is a full blown domestic color revolution against a second Trump term.

Really, against?

We saw the factional attempt to do away with Trump, it lasted for three years and was called #Russiagate and then "impeachment." It was epically incompetent or kayfabe from the start. In suspiciously predictable fashion, its exponents kept claiming to have the winning hand against Trump and then folding, at the end of each round rescuing the Trump-Pence-GOP regime. The fake scandals dropped a miasma of false leads over everything the regime actually did and really stood for. It helped divert & distract the initially mammoth set of anti-Trump movements that could have coalesced, but did not. They were channeled them into separate, ineffective groups, and then briefly began to coalesce around the Sanders campaign. Now, after the lightning maneuvers to switch off the Sadners hope, after the pandemic hits, with the Fuckening only just beginning, part of these movements reassert themselves, predictably, after the latest in the endless string of police murders with total impunity. And you think that's the arranged color revolution? Bullshit.

Biden, Trump, your "serious, heartfelt" governor Walz with the crazy counter-insurgency war-on-the-people rhetoric, any number of governors, GOP and Democratic: there's only one color for any of them in this latest situation, and that is white supremacy. They are all going for the same vote, and the electoral advantage this confers is Trump's. The assumption (besides that the Democratic top doesn't care if they lose) is that despite Biden's record, his slips with black interlocutors, his obvious weakness, black still doesn't matter, only white. Black still is assumed to be captive, and the feared fallout from the uprisings is not the loss of the black vote but of the white vote! For this reason I still expect the VP choice will be Klobuchar, on that basis, or some other white lady signifying midwest and "moderate" right-wing politics. And the election probably will be lost, because from all appearances corona has peaked and will be on the decline by then (this remains a wildcard).

As far as capital is concerned, everything's fucked and at war, they care only about securing everything they can and having a combat government in place against the enemy, which they now can see is potentially everyone. Trump is beating the drums of guaranteed, simple, brutal, open, unapologetic, violent, traditional, power-obsessed, cartoonishly dictatorial repression. How many times does he have to tell you he doesn't want the goddamn votes counted? In the next four-year period they don't want the sophisticated version, they don't want the beloved senile grandpa character and the velvet globe, they want the iron fist showing.

It really kills me to say that.

And look at the following: this is not preparation for an anti-Trump "color revolution"!

This is coordination for a nationwide military crack-down in response to the uprising, and martial law a bunch of places on top of the established pandemic regime, with "bipartisan" support.

Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Colorado, Arizona, Tennessee, and Kentucky.

"The documents were originally stored on an unclassified server but were subsequently 'elevated' to a classified system....

"A situation report details 'Protester Actions' and 'National Guard Reaction Force Capabilities' in six cities: Denver, Memphis, Phoenix, Louisville, New York City, and Columbus. While troop capacities (labelled 'PAX' in the document) range from 100 to 500 troops in each state, the document also reveals that there’s only enough riot gear (RG) for a fraction of these personnel."

"A National Guard member says they’re ill-equipped to respond to civil unrest."

THENATION.COM
Exclusive: The US Military Is Monitoring Protests in 7 States
A National Guard member says they’re ill-equipped to respond to civil unrest.

By Ken Klippenstein

https://www.thenation.com/article/socie ... -protests/


The US military is monitoring protests in at least seven states, according to Defense Department documents obtained exclusively by The Nation.

In addition to Minnesota, where a Minneapolis police officer killed George Floyd, the military is tracking uprisings in New York, Ohio, Colorado, Arizona, Tennessee, and Kentucky, according to a Defense Department situation report. Notably, only Minnesota has requested National Guard support. The documents were originally stored on an unclassified server but were subsequently “elevated” to a classified system. While the documents reveal significant National Guard force capabilities in each of the seven states, one Minnesota Guard member expressed concerns about the troops’ lack of training in responding to civil unrest.

One document pertaining to the Minnesota National Guard, marked “For Official Use Only” (FOUO), describes one operation’s purpose: “Augment MN State Patrol Civil Disturbance Operations with a show of force.” Other operations are variously described as providing security for law enforcement agencies, defending the capitol building, and “maintaining governance.”

Another document about the protests in Minnesota, titled “MNNG Civil Disturbance Response Storybook,” is also marked FOUO and dated May 29. It states that National Guard members have been authorized for “weapon status red,” meaning magazines loaded but safety on. The document seems particularly concerned not just with harm to civilians but also potential damage to property, to which it refers several times. For example, the assessment line notes that the Guard will “ensure the safety of citizens and property.”

A situation report details “Protester Actions” and “National Guard Reaction Force Capabilities” in six cities: Denver, Memphis, Phoenix, Louisville, New York City, and Columbus. While troop capacities (labelled “PAX” in the document) range from 100 to 500 troops in each state, the document also reveals that there’s only enough riot gear (RG) for a fraction of these personnel.

Asked why they were generating intelligence reports for six states besides Minnesota, Lt. Col. Chris Mitchell, a spokesperson for the Defense Department, told The Nation that producing this information amounts to sensible preparation in the event these states require assistance: “Without such situational awareness, it would be more difficult for DOD to respond if it becomes necessary (if requested by the governors of those states).”

The system that some documents were moved to, called the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet), is a more tightly secured program than the unclassified one in which these documents had previously been stored. The enhanced security makes it less likely that the documents would leak.

The Associated Press’s James LaPorta reported last night that Military Police deployed to Minneapolis had their orders placed in SIPRNet. Last year, LaPorta wrote that Defense Department documents regarding the Trump administration’s military deployment to the US-Mexico border were also on SIPRNet in order to prevent leaks to the press and limit media coverage.

Mitchell told The Nation, “The Department of Defense takes appropriate measures to ensure our information—electronic or otherwise—is safeguarded and handled appropriately. As such, we take necessary and prudent steps to minimize the unauthorized release of unclassified, but sensitive information.”

On Saturday, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz announced that he is fully mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard—the first time it’s been called out since World War II.

Benjamin Haas, a D.C.-based attorney with expertise in national security law who is himself a former Army intelligence officer, stressed that while the Guard’s deployment is technically legal, that does not make it wise. “Putting soldiers into a politically charged law enforcement context is a sensitive matter, and Trump’s incendiary rhetoric has made an already tense moment even worse,” Haas said.

The situation on the ground in Minneapolis & St. Paul has shifted & the response tonight will be different as a result. The coordinated @MNNationalGuard, @MnDPS_MSP, & law enforcement presence will triple in size to address a sophisticated network of urban warfare.

https://twitter.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/12 ... 9552588801

"A sophisticated network of urban warfare"!

That's the kind of bullshit pretext for a united authoritarian crackdown that I hope people on RI don't want to reinforce. Talk of how this is an incredibly well-organized "deep state" operation, CIA, Obama, Soros, buses bringing in "outside agitators" (ps on the latter: so what!), rocks provided on palettes, "color revolution." I hope you will all come to realize this stuff is all just a reversed way of saying the same crap Walz and Trump and Co. are saying to justify the crackdown. You're playing into the hands of those who want military ops in multiple cities, who want to paint the uprisings (and all future uprisings against the ongoing Fuckening) as some super-plot. It's incredible.

5pm curfew in Seattle, National Guard coming in, who according to local news, we will be seeing on our streets for the next 7 days. Part of further programming for our new (authoritarian tm) normal I guess. Just watched 3 white youths get out of a nice car on Washington St. Packed their backpacks with hammers and headed towards the protests. A neighbor said she overheard another guy say there will be fires tonight. Just don't burn down the TK, alright?

MOST RIOTS ARE POLICE RIOTS

Your insight that riots are the language of the oppressed is true in theory and in many cases, but it is false as a default presumption about who is responsible for a given riot. If you've been to real protests in the US or in most places around the world, and if you know your history and politics, then you know it is usually the police who initiate violence, just as it was the police who killed George Floyd in public and in broad daylight, while he lay helpless on the ground. Individual police and police commands intentionally and routinely start and provoke riots. They are often impatient to disperse crowds with force, with swinging clubs and tear-gas grenades. They respond with disproportionate and collective violence to harmless or unthreatening actions on the protesters' side. This is especially true at protests against police repression. A few times in person and of course countless times on video, I have seen police strike and beat up protesters and sometimes bystanders indiscriminately, regardless of whether their victims posed or intended a threat. Those who are beaten are often those who were too slow to run away. Beatings often seem to be intended as examples to others, or are used by the police to vent their feelings. The police routinely arrest non-violent protesters or bystanders and charge them with assault and incitement. The media report such arrests without skepticism. Finally, it is very often agents provocateurs who initiate violence, property damage, or looting, as the evidence from Minneapolis strongly suggests. Do you think this white fellow dressed for war breaking windows (see video link in comments), who turned out to be an off-duty cop, was the only provocateur in Minneapolis, or merely the only one caught on video? There is often truth to your view of the heroic rioter, but don't let it be a romantic distortion that obscures police violence, or blinds you when the police are the initiators.

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[cptmarginal]

This reads so much like an HST parody piece that it's not even funny... Or maybe it's uproariously funny, take your pick.

He also appeared to encourage counter protests, promoting "MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE".

The president said: "The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That's when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. Many Secret Service agents just waiting for action. 'We put the young ones on the front line, sir, they love it, and ... good practice."

His posts also appeared to try to undermine protesters calling for justice in the wake of killings of black men by police by saying that the US Secret Service (which he appraised as "not only totally professional, but very cool") had "let the 'protesters' scream [and] rant as much as they wanted" but "whenever someone got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard — didn’t know what hit them."

[Wombaticus Rex]

Biden, Trump, your "serious, heartfelt" governor Walz with the crazy counter-insurgency war-on-the-people rhetoric, any number of governors, GOP and Democratic: there's only one color for any of them in this latest situation, and that is white supremacy.

Walz was the guy saying white supremacists from outside Minnesota were causing problems and determined to cause destruction at that press conference, right? Maybe we watched a different press conference? I know that sounds like sarcasm but he's held like 10 of them in the past 72 hours, it's not.

I'm still seeing the same crew that ran Russiagate pushing hard to shape this narrative. Anchors and pundits on ABC, on CNN, on MSNBC keep bringing up "400 years" talking points. That sounds familiar. I really do think that escalating this, spotlighting this, and re-framing this was their Plan B.

I also really think it will fail, just like Russiagate, just like impeachment. And as ever, the people they used along the way will be paying the highest price for it. Not them.

[liminalOyster]

I concede that I have not a clue what the fuck is happening, what comes next, or who if anyone really is running this show tonight. I don't care which agitators influenced this. It's now happening and I don't think this was expected.

I certainly feel that we are witnessing a kind of affective mood that may as well be equivalent to a deep critique of the most fundamental roots of capitalism meaning it goes deeper than white supremacy which is only capitalism's inalienable mechanism but not the thing itself.

I cannot shake the feeling, romantic as it may be, that this uprising is very deep, implacable and off-script.

Mostly what I'm noticing today in the news is a hard push to ensure that the meaning of all this safely quarantined back within the tropes of #blm and institutional racism and tied up neatly in a Trump-shaped bow, replete with the NYT blaming Putin and crew. Which, frankly, tells me they're (bezos and those who surround and collude and socialize with him) desperate to keep a lock on the narrative and are taking some big risks (see Cornel's uninterrupted 5 min soliloquy on CNN) in the process.

For tonight, I really think something extremely fucking weird and extremely fucking unpredictable is happening. Forgive my naivete.

edit: Seen at a St Louis protest today

[Sounder]

I certainly feel that we are witnessing a kind of affective mood that may as well be equivalent to a deep critique of the most fundamental roots of capitalism meaning it goes deeper than white supremacy which is only capitalism's inalienable mechanism but not the thing itself.

I cannot shake the feeling, romantic as it may be, that this uprising is very deep, implacable and off-script.

A major driver of the current narrative (and for a long long time) is that the other is a threat. But 'you' would be nothing without the other. The 'other' is not a threat, it is your creator. We only go deep and/or off-script when this becomes a collective realization and we dispense with 'the other is a threat' narrative.

[JackRiddler]

Biden, Trump, your "serious, heartfelt" governor Walz with the crazy counter-insurgency war-on-the-people rhetoric, any number of governors, GOP and Democratic: there's only one color for any of them in this latest situation, and that is white supremacy.

Walz was the guy saying white supremacists from outside Minnesota were causing problems and determined to cause destruction at that press conference, right?

Yes he was, and we will see how far that line goes in further announcements about arrests, or whether it's confusionism, or if he himself is the confused. He was also speaking generally, as if these alleged elements are causing the uprising as a whole. You see those announcements from the MN authorities? The governor is justifying a tripling of military measures, a maximal rhetoric of "fighting back." You're right about who most of the victims will be, if it goes even 1/10 as far as the rhetorical extremes suggest.

I'm still seeing the same crew that ran Russiagate pushing hard to shape this narrative.

Not sure who you mean, the inside core generating the #Russiagate scam, Brennan et al., or the larger circle of minor vaguely-titled "experts" brought on for takes, like Malcolm Nance? Or do you mean the standard on-air staff of the corporate medai? Because of course the latter also near-universally ran #Russiagate all day, but they're still the standard on-air staff. So for example if Rachel Maddow still has her show and is now shaping some predictable narrative about MN "against" Trump (very nominal) it's not remarkable, any more than if FOX anchors are finding ways to make it about "defending" Trump.

I'm reading that suggestions that "Russia" is behind the uprisings are also being made. Absolutely disgusting.

Is it possible "white supremacists" are executing provocation plans? Sure. We'll see how far these claims go when they present perps. Is there a history of outside provocation designed to undermine the urban-based uprisings of modern decades? Yes, and the consistent element is police provocation. White supremacists used to play a big role in such actions, but less and less so after the 1920s, and from the 1950s-60s forward it's been almost all left to LEOs to perform these roles.

Anchors and pundits on ABC, on CNN, on MSNBC keep bringing up "400 years" talking points. That sounds familiar.

"1619" is a simplistic and believe it or not American-exceptionalist approach, but it's also what people know, and knew before the NYT Magazine pulled off its coup of selectively plagiarizing and bastardizing a few historians. Where's the surprise in their talking about 1619? Your point sounds like Ronald Reagan claiming the international protests against the US interventions in Central America were coordinated by Soviets, because the protesters in different countries flashed signs that read, "US Out of El Salvador." I mean, do these instant 1619 scholars mention that the Atlantic and Pacific are oceans? Because that's the level of analysis involved. If they're going to try talking about a longer history, what do you expect and how does this turn into evidence for your anti-Trump "color revolution"?

The maneuvers of military-police machinery on the ground include federal elements and are a Trumpian wet dream. Did the "color revolution" make him tweet the stuff about how the shooting starts when the looting starts?! This has been the stuff he's been talking about all along, not just since 2015: beat people up, execute criminals liberally, unleash the police, use force. It's his daily fucking fare.

The actions are being coordinated nationwide under varieties of command fusions that date back to the post-9/11 reorganization wave, and counter-insurgency planning that dates back decades (and is mainly oriented against presumed "inner city" uprisings). They are using the military equipment given them by the US federal military. It's hammer and nail time, very straightforward, and that's why your efforts to turn it into an anti-Trump plot are so ridiculous. Something you seem to have realized on some level, because now you're telling us that it is that, but also that it's not going to work, the dark hero's going to survive this as he keeps surviving the other plots.

It won't be a surprise if Trump survives this, since the Trump-Pence-GOP regime is throwing itself into it. They are perpetrators here. Your theses obscure that. They are not the targets of a campaign to make them look bad. (If the usual suspects who try to make them look bad all the time continue doing so, that says absolutely nothing.) They are among the originators of a promised all-or-nothing crackdown against the spread of an anti-police revolt set off by a routine police murder that was the proverbial spark in the tinder, straw that broke the camel's back. Your "color revolution" narrative flips that and practically makes Trump a victim who manages to slip the noose made for him by the evil liberal controllers. (Run, as you suggested initially, by Stacey Abrams?! To grab the VP spot from Klobuchar?! Listen to yourself!)

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Funniest thing I read today: "As a white anarchist, I can promise the press that if we were capable of instigating this, we would have done so years ago."

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Returning to a much more reasonable take:

I concede that I have not a clue what the fuck is happening, what comes next, or who if anyone really is running this show tonight. I don't care which agitators influenced this. It's now happening and I don't think this was expected.

I certainly feel that we are witnessing a kind of affective mood that may as well be equivalent to a deep critique of the most fundamental roots of capitalism meaning it goes deeper than white supremacy which is only capitalism's inalienable mechanism but not the thing itself.

I cannot shake the feeling, romantic as it may be, that this uprising is very deep, implacable and off-script.

Mostly what I'm noticing today in the news is a hard push to ensure that the meaning of all this safely quarantined back within the tropes of #blm and institutional racism and tied up neatly in a Trump-shaped bow, replete with the NYT blaming Putin and crew. Which, frankly, tells me they're (bezos and those who surround and collude and socialize with him) desperate to keep a lock on the narrative and are taking some big risks (see Cornel's uninterrupted 5 min soliloquy on CNN) in the process.

For tonight, I really think something extremely fucking weird and extremely fucking unpredictable is happening. Forgive my naivete.

edit: Seen at a St Louis protest today

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Watch these two videos: Here's the fucking reality of the National Guard going after Walz's alleged "white supremacists" in a residential neighborhood. Guess who they hit?

@OwenJones84
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 8597507074
A reporter at the @latimes reports that the Minnesota State Patrol fired tear gas at journalists at point blank range. From Molly Hennessy-Fiske

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 7520424960
Like a dystopian science fiction film: the National Guard and the Minneapolis Police Department march down a residential street, firing paint canisters at residents as they yell "Light em up"

[dada]

Jack:

Is it possible "white supremacists" are executing provocation plans? Sure. We'll see how far these claims go when they present perps. Is there a history of outside provocation designed to undermine the urban-based uprisings of modern decades? Yes, and the consistent element is police provocation. White supremacists used to play a big role in such actions, but less and less so after the 1920s, and from the 1950s-60s forward it's been almost all left to LEOs to perform these roles

I'm not sure how to reconcile protests and riot provocateurs on the one hand, and uprisings and revolt, on the other.

I get that agencies and mobsters are connected. But given that all sides are trying to take advantage of the situation, doesn't oragnized crime deserve to be considered as an independent player in itself, with its own motivations? The economic unrest on the ground doesn't just effect poor, law abiding citizens.

So I was just wondering about that. What would those motivations be, that I can't quite seem to put into words. The response might not be so grounded in logic or reason. You undercut my business, I'll burn your cities to the ground, how you like a that? Something like that.

[JackRiddler]

dada, organized crime in what sense? Like Soprano-style mobsters who take an opportunity to fuck up an Auto Zone that isn't paying into the rackets? Like fascist conspirators who see a chance to start violence that is then attributed to black people who are attacked by the police, as the pretend-antifascist Walz now seems to suggest? Like police actors themselves being provocateurs? Like WRex's scenario of an anti-Trump revolution orchestrated from way above by a CIA/Dem establishment? All of these would be organized crime, in the sense of a conspiracy doing something illegal. All are possible. None of these seem credible as a factor to me in the present case, except the perennial of the police and LEO assets themselves acting as provocateurs, infiltrators, spies, or engaging in snitch-jacketing. Which of these do you mean, or is it something else? Can you specify?

[dada]

No, Jack, none of those senses. Just in the everyday sense, from racketeering to blue collar business. Pressure on the people is also pressure on that ecosystem, which contains a rainbow of ethnicities. We're speculating on who is feeding the fires, and why. Sure the cops are implicated by history. But then, the lines aren't drawn that clearly, and they shift around. Even the cops themselves, they're a side of their own in their own right, and yet there are competing factions within. I don't think it helps to refuse to consider other influences, especially ones that aren't talked about much in the internet bubble.

[JackRiddler]

I'm sorry, dada, and without wanting a fight, your definition of "everyday senses" here verges on word salad. You're pointing to vague framings of how things might be more complex than they appear, which undoubtedly could be and always sounds wise. But to do so without providing specific rationales or evidence or even an argument feels like obscuring the issues and encouraging inaction in a situation that is much more straightforward, one that poses the question, which side are you on?

[Grizzly]

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo
Shooting citizens on their own property?