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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:23 pm

backtoiam » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:03 pm wrote:They all are, or could be on a moments notice. What makes him any different than the rest? He had to be vetted to get through the net and inner club and obviously he got vetted. I see no difference between him and the rest of the beasts.


The only thing that might make him different is if there is in fact a facet of the US rich and powerful that is actually trying to do some good along the lines of what certain corners of the conspiracy-entertainment-complex are saying. Not saying it's all true, but the key is in his name. Trump. He is literally the Trump Card in a game that's being played, and he is going to win (I am convinced that he will (I could be wrong)), the only question is who or what is playing it? Something with serious 'juice' for sure, but I'm not at all convinced it's the same force backing Hillary, nor that it is necessarily worse.

There was a tweet from Bret Easton Ellis a while back:

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He seems to imply that Important People in Hollywood, not just whoever he had dinner with, are secret Trump supporters. Doesn't prove anything obviously, but why would that be in a highly liberal industry? Unless they know some things we plebs don't.

I tried for six hours so far today to talk to a real live person from the social security administration. No luck yet. I am still listening to the non beautiful elevator music six hours later.........................I paid for years. What I get is elevator music in return. I don't like elevator music.


Haha, good luck. I see that building as being completely empty of people except for one or two interns stuck there—just filing cabinets and fluorescent lights and desks—while simultaneously being guarded by the highest security imaginable.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:20 pm

Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy


Donald Trump addressed the GOP convention in Cleveland, Ohio, July 21. The Republican presidential candidate spoke for more than one hour, we broke it down to less than five minutes. (Deirdra O'Regan/The Washington Post)
By Editorial Board July 22 at 3:59 PM
DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together. His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.

Any one of these characteristics would be disqualifying; together, they make Mr. Trump a peril. We recognize that this is not the usual moment to make such a statement. In an ordinary election year, we would acknowledge the Republican nominee, move on to the Democratic convention and spend the following months, like other voters, evaluating the candidates’ performance in debates, on the stump and in position papers. This year we will follow the campaign as always, offering honest views on all the candidates. But we cannot salute the Republican nominee or pretend that we might endorse him this fall. A Trump presidency would be dangerous for the nation and the world.

Why are we so sure? Start with experience. It has been 64 years since a major party nominated anyone for president who did not have electoral experience. That experiment turned out pretty well — but Mr. Trump, to put it mildly, is no Dwight David Eisenhower. Leading the Allied campaign to liberate Europe from the Nazis required strategic and political skills of the first order, and Eisenhower — though he liked to emphasize his common touch as he faced the intellectual Democrat Adlai Stevenson — was shrewd, diligent, humble and thoughtful.

[Read the transcript of Donald Trump’s interview with The Washington Post editorial board]

Fact-checking Donald Trump's acceptance speech Play Video8:53
Donald Trump painted a dark picture of America during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, but some of his doomsday stats are rather dubious. The Post's Fact Checker examined 25 of his key claims. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
In contrast, there is nothing on Mr. Trump’s résumé to suggest he could function successfully in Washington. He was staked in the family business by a well-to-do father and has pursued a career marked by some real estate successes, some failures and repeated episodes of saving his own hide while harming people who trusted him. Given his continuing refusal to release his tax returns, breaking with a long bipartisan tradition, it is only reasonable to assume there are aspects of his record even more discreditable than what we know.

The lack of experience might be overcome if Mr. Trump saw it as a handicap worth overcoming. But he displays no curiosity, reads no books and appears to believe he needs no advice. In fact, what makes Mr. Trump so unusual is his combination of extreme neediness and unbridled arrogance. He is desperate for affirmation but contemptuous of other views. He also is contemptuous of fact. Throughout the campaign, he has unspooled one lie after another — that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated after 9/11, that his tax-cut plan would not worsen the deficit, that he opposed the Iraq War before it started — and when confronted with contrary evidence, he simply repeats the lie. It is impossible to know whether he convinces himself of his own untruths or knows that he is wrong and does not care. It is also difficult to know which trait would be more frightening in a commander in chief.

Given his ignorance, it is perhaps not surprising that Mr. Trump offers no coherence when it comes to policy. In years past, he supported immigration reform, gun control and legal abortion; as candidate, he became a hard-line opponent of all three. Even in the course of the campaign, he has flip-flopped on issues such as whether Muslims should be banned from entering the United States and whether women who have abortions should be punished . Worse than the flip-flops is the absence of any substance in his agenda. Existing trade deals are “stupid,” but Mr. Trump does not say how they could be improved. The Islamic State must be destroyed, but the candidate offers no strategy for doing so. Eleven million undocumented immigrants must be deported, but Mr. Trump does not tell us how he would accomplish this legally or practically.

What the candidate does offer is a series of prejudices and gut feelings, most of them erroneous. Allies are taking advantage of the United States. Immigrants are committing crimes and stealing jobs. Muslims hate America. In fact, Japan and South Korea are major contributors to an alliance that has preserved a peace of enormous benefit to Americans. Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans and take jobs that no one else will. Muslims are the primary victims of Islamist terrorism, and Muslim Americans, including thousands who have served in the military, are as patriotic as anyone else.

[Fareed Zakaria: America would be Trump’s banana republic]

The Trump litany of victimization has resonated with many Americans whose economic prospects have stagnated. They deserve a serious champion, and the challenges of inequality and slow wage growth deserve a serious response. But Mr. Trump has nothing positive to offer, only scapegoats and dark conspiracy theories. He launched his campaign by accusing Mexico of sending rapists across the border, and similar hatefulness has surfaced numerous times in the year since.

In a dangerous world, Mr. Trump speaks blithely of abandoning NATO, encouraging more nations to obtain nuclear weapons and cozying up to dictators who in fact wish the United States nothing but harm. For eight years, Republicans have criticized President Obama for “apologizing” for America and for weakening alliances. Now they put forward a candidate who mimics the vilest propaganda of authoritarian adversaries about how terrible the United States is and how unfit it is to lecture others. He has made clear that he would drop allies without a second thought. The consequences to global security could be disastrous.

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Most alarming is Mr. Trump’s contempt for the Constitution and the unwritten democratic norms upon which our system depends. He doesn’t know what is in the nation’s founding document. When asked by a member of Congress about Article I, which enumerates congressional powers, the candidate responded, “I am going to abide by the Constitution whether it’s number 1, number 2, number 12, number 9.” The charter has seven articles.

Worse, he doesn’t seem to care about its limitations on executive power. He has threatened that those who criticize him will suffer when he is president. He has vowed to torture suspected terrorists and bomb their innocent relatives, no matter the illegality of either act. He has vowed to constrict the independent press. He went after a judge whose rulings angered him, exacerbating his contempt for the independence of the judiciary by insisting that the judge should be disqualified because of his Mexican heritage. Mr. Trump has encouraged and celebrated violence at his rallies. The U.S. democratic system is strong and has proved resilient when it has been tested before. We have faith in it. But to elect Mr. Trump would be to knowingly subject it to threat.

Mr. Trump campaigns by insult and denigration, insinuation and wild accusation: Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy; Hillary Clinton may be guilty of murder; Mr. Obama is a traitor who wants Muslims to attack. The Republican Party has moved the lunatic fringe onto center stage, with discourse that renders impossible the kind of substantive debate upon which any civil democracy depends.

Most responsible Republican leaders know all this to be true; that is why Mr. Trump had to rely so heavily on testimonials by relatives and employees during this week’s Republican convention. With one exception (Bob Dole), the living Republican presidents and presidential nominees of the past three decades all stayed away. But most current officeholders, even those who declared Mr. Trump to be an unthinkable choice only months ago, have lost the courage to speak out.

The party’s failure of judgment leaves the nation’s future where it belongs, in the hands of voters. Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:29 pm

it would seem that "seemslikeadream" has become the American Dream of Trump-talk
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:33 pm

:P

Kurt Vonnegut's 1988 Letter to the Future More Relevant Today Than Ever Before


In 1988, my then Hyannis Port neighbor the late Kurt Vonnegut wrote a prescient letter to the Earth's planetary citizens of 2088 for Volkswagen's TIME magazine ad campaign. His seven points of advice are perhaps more relevant today than at any time in human history. We should keep this advice in mind this election year and adopt Vonnegut's recommendations while we still can.

Here's his letter:

Ladies & Gentlemen of A.D. 2088:

It has been suggested that you might welcome words of wisdom from the past, and that several of us in the twentieth century should send you some. Do you know this advice from Polonius in Shakespeare's Hamlet: 'This above all: to thine own self be true'? Or what about these instructions from St. John the Divine: 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment has come'? The best advice from my own era for you or for just about anybody anytime, I guess, is a prayer first used by alcoholics who hoped to never take a drink again: 'God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.'

Our century hasn't been as free with words of wisdom as some others, I think, because we were the first to get reliable information about the human situation: how many of us there were, how much food we could raise or gather, how fast we were reproducing, what made us sick, what made us die, how much damage we were doing to the air and water and topsoil on which most life forms depended, how violent and heartless nature can be, and on and on. Who could wax wise with so much bad news pouring in?

For me, the most paralyzing news was that Nature was no conservationist. It needed no help from us in taking the planet apart and putting it back together some different way, not necessarily improving it from the viewpoint of living things. It set fire to forests with lightning bolts. It paved vast tracts of arable land with lava, which could no more support life than big-city parking lots. It had in the past sent glaciers down from the North Pole to grind up major portions of Asia, Europe, and North America. Nor was there any reason to think that it wouldn't do that again someday. At this very moment it is turning African farms to deserts, and can be expected to heave up tidal waves or shower down white-hot boulders from outer space at any time. It has not only exterminated exquisitely evolved species in a twinkling, but drained oceans and drowned continents as well. If people think Nature is their friend, then they sure don't need an enemy.


Yes, and as you people a hundred years from now must know full well, and as your grandchildren will know even better: Nature is ruthless when it comes to matching the quantity of life in any given place at any given time to the quantity of nourishment available. So what have you and Nature done about overpopulation? Back here in 1988, we were seeing ourselves as a new sort of glacier, warm-blooded and clever, unstoppable, about to gobble up everything and then make love—and then double in size again.

On second thought, I am not sure I could bear to hear what you and Nature may have done about too many people for too small a food supply.

And here is a crazy idea I would like to try on you: Is it possible that we aimed rockets with hydrogen bomb warheads at each other, all set to go, in order to take our minds off the deeper problem—how cruelly Nature can be expected to treat us, Nature being Nature, in the by-and-by?

Now that we can discuss the mess we are in with some precision, I hope you have stopped choosing abysmally ignorant optimists for positions of leadership. They were useful only so long as nobody had a clue as to what was really going on—during the past seven million years or so. In my time they have been catastrophic as heads of sophisticated institutions with real work to do.

The sort of leaders we need now are not those who promise ultimate victory over Nature through perseverance in living as we do right now, but those with the courage and intelligence to present to the world what appears to be Nature's stern but reasonable surrender terms:

Reduce and stabilize your population.
Stop poisoning the air, the water, and the topsoil.
Stop preparing for war and start dealing with your real problems.
Teach your kids, and yourselves, too, while you're at it, how to inhabit a small planet without helping to kill it.
Stop thinking science can fix anything if you give it a trillion dollars.
Stop thinking your grandchildren will be OK no matter how wasteful or destructive you may be, since they can go to a nice new planet on a spaceship. That is really mean, and stupid.
And so on. Or else.
Am I too pessimistic about life a hundred years from now? Maybe I have spent too much time with scientists and not enough time with speechwriters for politicians. For all I know, even bag ladies and bag gentlemen will have their own personal helicopters or rocket belts in A.D. 2088. Nobody will have to leave home to go to work or school, or even stop watching television. Everybody will sit around all day punching the keys of computer terminals connected to everything there is, and sip orange drink through straws like the astronauts.

Cheers,
Kurt Vonnegut

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIPtsztkAs
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:50 pm

while the donald was tooling around New York avoiding VD and the draft......my friends and family were in Vietnam getting killed.....coming home with missing arms, legs....bringing home Agent Orange...not getting help with it for 40 years ...becoming addicts..committing suicide

58,000 dead


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbcZMocgYrk

Fuck Donald Trump


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkZ5e94QnWk

Just when I thought it wouldn't get no sicker, woke up one morning and heard this weird ass mothafucka talkin' out the side of his neck. Me and all my peoples, we always thought he was straight. Influential mothafucka when it came to the business. But now, since we know how you really feel, this how we feel


Fuck Donald Trump
Fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump, yeah

I like white folks, but I don't like you
All the niggas in the hood wanna fight you
Surprised El Chapo ain't tried to snipe you
Surprised the Nation of Islam ain't tried to find you
Have a rally out in L.A., we gon' fuck it up
Home of the Rodney King riot, we don't give a fuck
Black students, ejected from your rally, what?
I'm ready to go right now, your racist ass did too much
I'm 'bout to turn Black Panther
Don't let Donald Trump win, that nigga cancer
He too rich, he ain't got the answers
He can't make decisions for this country, he gon' crash us
No, we can't be a slave for him
He got me appreciatin' Obama way more
Hey Donald, and everyone that follows
You gave us your reason to be President, but we hate yours


Fuck Donald Trump
Fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
I don't like your ass, nigga
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
I really don't like you, nigga!
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
This for my grandma!
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump, yeah


Nigga am I trippin'? Let me know
I thought all that Donald Trump bullshit was a joke
Know what they say when rich niggas go broke....
Look, Reagan sold coke, Obama sold hope
Donald Trump spent his trust fund money on the vote
I'm from a place where you prolly can't go
Speakin' for some people that you prolly ain't know
It's pressure built up and it's prolly gon' blow
And if we say go then they're prolly gon' go
You vote Trump then you're prolly on dope
And if you like me then you prolly ain't know
And if you been to jail you can prolly still vote
We let this nigga win, we gon' prolly feel broke
You built walls? We gon' prolly dig holes
And if your ass do win, you gon' prolly get smoked
Fuck nigga, fuck you!


Fuck Donald Trump
Fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump, yeah


We the youth. We the people of this country. We got a voice too. We will be seen, and we will be heard


Hold up, I fuck with Mexicans, got a plug with Mexicans
When the low low need a switch, who I call? A Mexican
This Comedy Central ass nigga couldn't be the President
Hold up, Nip, tell the world how you fuck with Mexicans
It wouldn't be the USA without Mexicans
And if it's time to team up, shit, let's begin
Black love, brown pride in the sets again
White people feel the same as my next of kin
If we let this nigga win, God bless the kids
God bless the kids, this nigga wicked and wigged
When me and Nip link, that's Bloods and Crips
Where your L.A. rally? We gon' crash your shit


Fuck Donald Trump
Fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
I don't like your ass, nigga
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
I really don't like you, nigga!
Yeah, fuck Donald Trump
Yeah, nigga, fuck Donald Trump
This for my grandma!
Yeah, yeah, fuck Donald Trump, yeah
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:44 am

Breaking headline news(surprisingly on mainstream sites) that the DNC smugly worked to squash Sander's chances from the get go. This plus Hillary choosing a hawkish Wall Street corporatist instead of a progressive,
plus yet another terror attack in Europe today just doesn't seem to bode well for Clinton's chances no matter how disturbingly dark and apocalyptic Trump's speech was last night

I recognize people's fear and anger of Trump...but stepping back, anyone else appreciating the cosmic majesty of it? Here's a guy who humiliated the Bushes, neocons, Ted Cruz, Koch bros, and ripped the GOP in two.
He's now running as the anti Wall Street candidate, while the DNC is now the Wall Street defenders. Trump talked about how Iraq was based on lies, how important it was to expose the Saudis with the 28 pages, and
how Clinton is a corporate puppet. If only he wasn't seeming to almost, be it Andy Kauffman-esque, embrace the crypto-fascist demogoguery
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:20 am

LOL, just watched Trumps morning press conference. Instead of focusing on his general election and crazy big speech last night at the RNC...he instead goes on this
crazy tirade about Ted Cruz dad involved with JFK assassination. We're in such a wtf time period now
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:39 am

Elton John Fears for the World if Donald Trump Is Elected President — Here's Why
Jordyn Taylor's avatar image By Jordyn Taylor July 22, 2016

DURBAN, South Africa — A potential Trump presidency makes Elton John "fear for the world" — at least when it comes to fighting the global HIV crisis.

The musician and longtime AIDS activist was in Durban this week for the 21st International AIDS conference. On Wednesday, the Elton John AIDS Foundation and the U.S. President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR, announced the first two recipients of a $10 million fund to "address stigma, discrimination and violence" experienced by LGBT people, and to expand their access to HIV care and prevention.

The next day, after meeting with HIV-positive adolescents at KwaZulu-Natal Children's Hospital, John and husband David Furnish sat down for an interview with Mic.

"If you are in a country where it's illegal to be gay and they're withholding your medicine because you're gay, we will get them the medicine," John said of the $10 million LGBT fund. "If you're in prison or you're incarcerated for being gay, we will get you legal help — we will get you out of prison."

"So it's going in on the ground and helping these people overcome their HIV status."

Elton John Fears for the World if Donald Trump Is Elected President — Here's Why
Elton John talks to Mic about Donald Trump and HIV treatmentSource: Drop of Light/Shutterstock
What a Trump presidency means for the HIV epidemic
"I fear for the world, globally, with the AIDS situation ... [if] Donald Trump gets to be president," said John, who performed at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in March. "He'll marginalize people. He's already doing it."

Discrimination fuels the HIV epidemic. HIV is 19 times more prevalent in men who have sex with men and up to 49 times more prevalent in transgender women than in other adults — and it's not because the virus is magically drawn to people of certain sexualities or gender identities. Rather, it's because HIV thrives among folks who are persecuted for being who they are, according to Furnish.

"Pushing people away contributes to people's shame," Furnish said. "It also makes them feel less likely to seek information about sexual health, less likely to have a dialogue with their doctor about their medication, less likely to feel confident and comfortable picking their medication up."

"It takes everything and just pushes it into the shadows — and that's where this disease thrives," he continued. "It thrives on the disenfranchised. It thrives on the marginalized."

Elton John Fears for the World if Donald Trump Is Elected President — Here's Why
Elton JohnSource: Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty Images
Though Trump has promised to support LGBT people, and has been touted by his gay supporters as "the most pro-gay Republican nominee ever," his record undermines these talking points.

Trump has said he'd appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn marriage equality.

Trump also chose Mike Pence as his running mate. Pence has supported Indiana's "religious freedom" legislation, opposed same-sex marriage and civil unions and advocated putting HIV/AIDS funds toward conversion therapy instead.

"They're insane, basically — in a nutshell, they're insane," said John, who has asked Trump to stop using his music for campaign events. "Let's cut to the quick here."

As for Pence, who's proclaimed his deep Christian faith, "I don't see any Christian act in him — you're not a Christian in a million years," John said. "You're probably the furthest thing away from Christianity there is."

Elton John Fears for the World if Donald Trump Is Elected President — Here's Why
Donald Trump and Mike PenceSource: Mary Altaffer/AP
It's not just the LGBT stigma. John, Furnish and other activists fear Trump will cut funding to PEPFAR, the U.S. initiative, established under President George W. Bush, to fight HIV worldwide.

In October, Trump was asked if he would "commit to doubling the number of people" receiving treatment through PEPFAR. "Yes, I believe so strongly in that and we're going to lead the way," he answered. Some activists remain skeptical.

Trump has said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, a move that would make it harder for people with HIV to get the care they need. Only around 13% of people with HIV have private health insurance, and around 24% aren't covered at all, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

"We've set a target of 2030 to end AIDS, and we know we can do it, but we can't take our foot off the accelerator," Furnish said. "And if people start cutting their funding now and if they start pulling back, it's going to actually set a lot of the progress that we made backwards."

In Trump's campaign strategy, "I haven't heard one hopeful word," John said.

Currently, Trump has no official HIV policy.

Elton John Fears for the World if Donald Trump Is Elected President — Here's Why
Elton John and David FurnishSource: Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty Images
They're still optimistic.
Earlier in the day, John had spoken at the conference about HIV among adolescents. In his speech, he vowed to fight the HIV epidemic until he dies — though hopefully, it won't take that long.

"They're predicting 2030 — I hope beforehand," John said.

Medically and scientifically, we have all the tools we need, as Charlize Theron pointed out. The next step is conquering the stigma surrounding HIV — not just of the disease itself, but of the groups of people disproportionately affected by it.

"We have to beat the stigma," John said. "The way to reduce stigma is to make sure that everyone feels loved and included."

"And we have to make them feel that HIV is not a shameful disease."

Jordyn Taylor reported from South Africa on a fellowship with the International Reporting Project.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:47 am

If you removed Donald Trump's race-baiting, his mockery of the disabled, his fascist style of strong-man politics, and the last 30 years of general sleaziness, then he would be an appealing candidate!

He's frustrated me this entire election cycle because I've found myself equally cheering him on and sticking my finger down my throat. I will not be voting for him this election - I just can't - but if he continues to throw a monkey wrench into the system, I will give a slow clap of approval . . . until he rolls out the new brown shirts or gets us in an shooting war with some foreign power over an insulting tweet by their prime minister.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:59 am

a slow clap of approval for a piece of shit like trump for any reason whatsoever is the most hideous incredibly stupid uniformed dangerous thing any American citizen could do.....except vote for him or not vote at all in this election...there is a difference ....they are not all the same....and for anyone to think that they are is the most naive uneducated simplistic view of the world I can imagine

you play the hand your dealt......not the one you wish you had

The money driven trump and his clan could be the most dangerous people on the planet...if they end up in the White House
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:05 am

SLAD, I hope you read the finishing clause of my post, where he rolls out the brown shirts and gets us into war. I'd hoped it displayed the conflict that I think Trump inspires in a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, I find him disgusting, but I wont lie and say that I didn't enjoy him destroying Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz, and that I didn't smile when he took apart G.W. Bush and the Iraq war, or went after the Saudis for 9/11, or calls out government and economic systems for the rigged games that they are.

But even all that cannot erase his bigoted and fascist nature. A lot of people are going to overlook that and vote for him anyway. I wont be, but I'm sure millions will.

You say that -not voting- would be one of the biggest mistakes a person can make. Are you implying that we should run out and vote for Hillary to stop Trump?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:07 am

Donald Trump’s nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid
Updated by Ezra Klein on July 22, 2016, 12:03 a.m. ET @ezraklein

Tonight, Donald J. Trump accepted the Republican Party’s nomination for president of the United States.

And I am, for the first time since I began covering American politics, genuinely afraid.

Donald Trump is not a man who should be president. This is not an ideological judgment. This is not something I would say about Mitt Romney or Marco Rubio. This is not a disagreement over Donald Trump’s tax plan or his climate policies. This is about Trump’s character, his temperament, his impulsiveness, his basic decency.

Back in February, I wrote that Trump is the most dangerous major candidate for president in memory. He pairs terrible ideas with an alarming temperament; he's a racist, a sexist, and a demagogue, but he's also a narcissist, a bully, and a dilettante. He lies so constantly and so fluently that it's hard to know if he even realizes he's lying. He delights in schoolyard taunts and luxuriates in backlash.

He has had plenty of time to prove me, and everyone else, wrong. But he hasn’t. He has not become more responsible or more sober, more decent or more generous, more considered or more informed, more careful or more kind. He has continued to retweet white supremacists, make racist comments, pick unnecessary fights, contradict himself on the stump, and show an almost gleeful disinterest in building a real campaign or learning about policy.

He has, instead, run a campaign based on stoking fear and playing to resentment. His speech tonight invoked a nightmarish American hellscape that doesn't actually exist. His promise to restore order made him sound like the aspiring strongman his critics fear him to be. "I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end," he said. "Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored."

Here is what we know — truly know — about Trump. Here is why he should not be president.

Trump is vindictive. So far, the unifying theme of Trump’s convention is that the leader of the opposition party should be thrown in jail. Trump didn’t like the Washington Post’s coverage of his campaign, so he barred its reporters from his rallies and threatened to use the power of the presidency to bring an antitrust suit against the Post's owner, Jeff Bezos.

He was upset that Ohio didn’t vote for him, so he sat its delegation in the cheap seats, even though the state is hosting the convention. He was angry about an interview his ex-ghostwriter gave to the New Yorker, so he sent his lawyers after him. He hates the protesters who interrupt his campaigns, so he said he would look into paying the legal fees of a supporter who sucker-punched one of them.

Imagine Donald Trump with the powers of the presidency. Imagine what he could do — what he would do — to those who crossed him.

Trump is a bigot. Donald Trump kicked off his campaign calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists. He responded to Ted Cruz’s surge in Iowa by calling for a ban on Muslim travel. He sought to discredit a US-born judge by saying his rulings were suspect because of his "Mexican heritage." Trump’s campaign is certainly the first time in my memory that a sitting speaker of the House has had to describe something his party’s nominee said as "the textbook definition of a racist comment."

This is not a man who should be put in charge of an increasingly diverse country that needs to find allies in an increasingly diverse world.

Trump is a sexist. Stories of Trump’s casual sexism abound, but during the campaign, it was women who questioned him who felt the full force of his misogyny. The first Republican debate, for instance, was hosted by Fox News and moderated by Megyn Kelly, Bret Baier, and Chris Wallace. Kelly wasn’t obviously tougher on Trump than her colleagues, but she was the antagonist he focused on, retweeting a follower who said she was "a bimbo" and saying she had "blood coming out of her … wherever."

After Carly Fiorina challenged him in a debate, Trump said to Rolling Stone, "Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" After Hillary Clinton needed to take a bathroom break during a debate, Trump told the crowd, "It's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."

It’s not just during political campaigns that this side of Trump emerges. Trump once told his friend Philip Johnson that the secret to women was "[y]ou have to treat 'em like shit."

Trump is a liar. Trump boasts constantly that he had the judgment and foresight to oppose the Iraq War. But he didn’t. On September 11, 2002, Trump was asked by Howard Stern whether he supported the invasion of Iraq. "Yeah, I guess so," he replied. Trump has not sought to explain these comments or offer evidence of an alternative judgment he offered elsewhere. He just lies about this, and he does so often.

But that’s true for Trump across many issues. He says his health care plan will insure everyone, when it will do nothing of the kind. He says his tax plan raises taxes on the wealthy when it actually cuts them sharply. Trump has lied about his net worth, his reasons for not releasing his tax returns, and his charitable donations. He lies easily, fluently, shamelessly, constantly.

Trump is a narcissist. Trump’s towering self-regard worked for him as a real estate developer. His real business was licensing his name out for building, menswear, golf courses, steaks. A bit of a narcissism is necessary to become a global brand. But the trait is maladaptive in a presidential candidate.

The most recent example was the 28 minutes he spent talking about himself when he was supposed to be introducing Mike Pence, his vice presidential candidate, for the first time. The most grotesque example was when he responded to the deadliest mass shooting in American history by tweeting, "Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism."

Trump admires authoritarian dictators for their authoritarianism. When MSNBC's Joe Scarborough asked Trump about his affection for Vladimir Putin, who "kills journalists, political opponents and invades countries," Trump replied, "He's running his country, and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country."

But it’s not just Putin. Trump has praised Saddam Hussein because "he killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn't read them the rights." He said "you've got to give [Kim Jong Un] credit. He goes in, he takes over, and he's the boss. It's incredible." It’s not just that Trump admires these authoritarians; it’s that the thing he admires about them is their authoritarianism — their ability to dispense with niceties like a free press, due process, and political opposition.


Trump is a conspiracy theorist. Trump burst onto the scene as a leader of the absurd "birther" movement. He’s said that Bill Ayers is the real author of Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father, explained that the unemployment rate in America is really over 40 percent, and suggested that both Antonin Scalia and Vince Foster were murdered.

Trump is very, very gullible. This is related to his conspiracy theories, but Trump has a habit of believing and retweeting bad information that sounds good to him at the time.

This has led to, among other things, Trump retweeting false crime statistics, Trump retweeting Mussolini quotes from a Twitter account called Il Duce, Trump promoting a fake video claiming a protester who rushed his stage was sent by ISIS, and Trump endorsing a National Enquirer report suggesting Ted Cruz’s dad helped kill JFK. When pressed about these sundry embarrassments, Trump said, "All I know is what’s on the internet."

That’s a reasonable response from your uncle who forwards you weird email chains, but not from a presidential candidate.

Trump doesn’t apologize, and his defensiveness escalates situations. On Monday night, it became very clear that Melania Trump’s 2016 convention speech had lifted two paragraphs from Michelle Obama’s 2008 convention speech. The error was an embarrassment, but it could have been dispatched quickly by simply admitting fault and apologizing.

Instead, the Trump campaign turned it into a multi-day story and a character issue by denying anything had happened and blaming Hillary Clinton. This is "an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down," said campaign chair Paul Manafort, in one of the most genuinely ridiculous comments in recent American history.

The campaign also tried to argue that Michelle Obama doesn’t own the English language, and that similar language was used by Twilight Sparkle, a My Little Pony (I’m serious). Finally, days later, the Trump campaign admitted there was plagiarism and blamed a miscommunication between Melania and her speechwriter.


A similar pattern played out when Trump tweeted an anti-Hillary meme that superimposed a Star of David atop a pile of money and accused Clinton of corruption. The image was obviously anti-Semitic, and the Trump campaign quickly took it down. But Trump himself went on a Twitter rampage, arguing that what was clearly a Star of David was actually just a sheriff’s star, or maybe just a regular old star, and that the campaign shouldn’t have removed the offending meme in the first place.

So far, these examples are farce, but as Tim Lee writes, this tendency in the Oval Office could lead to tragedy: "[Trump’s] behavior on the campaign trail suggests that he would be unlikely to admit mistakes and defuse tense situations. Instead, his first instinct would be to escalate every conflict in an effort to bully foreign adversaries into giving him his way. That might work in some cases. But in others — especially against powerful countries like China or Russia — the results could be disastrous."

Trump surrounds himself with sycophants. It's tradition for presidential candidates to release a note from their physician testifying to their fitness to fulfill the duties of the presidency. On December 14, Donald Trump submitted his entry to this quadrennial custom.

"If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency," Dr. Harold Bornstein writes. "His blood pressure, 110/65, and laboratory test results were astonishingly excellent. … His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary."

This is … not how most doctor notes read. "Reached for comment regarding this, a spokesperson at the American Medical Association just giggled," reported the Daily Beast.

There are many positions where one might accept a pliable crony. But "personal physician" should not be one of them. The fact that Trump would entrust his health to a doctor who would sign off on a note like this should terrify his family and friends. But more than that, it should disqualify him from the presidency.

Trump has proven too lazy to learn about policy. Trump didn’t know much about policy when the campaign started, and as far as anyone can tell, he hasn’t made any obvious effort to rectify that.

The latest and most damaging example is his interview with the New York Times, in which he said he would not automatically defend NATO countries against attack from Russia. It’s not obvious Trump meant to say that, or even knew what saying that meant, as Manafort immediately began denying Trump had ever said it. (The Times subsequently released a transcript showing that, yes, Trump had said it.)

But this is a pattern for Trump, who doesn’t bother to come up with convincing answers even to obvious questions, and definitely has not put in the time to develop a deep understanding of the issues he might face as president. As Matt Yglesias wrote, this is very much a choice Trump has made. "Trump is now the GOP nominee, and there are hundreds of professional Republican Party politicians and operatives around the country who would gladly help him become a sharper, better-informed candidate. It doesn’t happen because he can’t be bothered."

Trump has run an incompetent campaign and convention. As brilliant as Trump has been in securing media attention for himself and channeling the anxieties of conservative voters, he hasn’t bothered to build a real campaign organization, and his convention has been a festival of unforced errors.

This is the context of Melania Trump’s plagiarism, of Ted Cruz’s anti-endorsement, of the night that was supposed to be about jobs and the economy but was actually about Benghazi and jailing Hillary Clinton. In isolation, these are gaffes, mistakes, bad luck. Together, though, they tell a damning story of organizational incompetence.

The most generous interpretation of this is that Trump is capable of running an effective organization, but he’s just not interested in conventions and field operations in the way he is interested in golf courses and condos. Others have certainly testified to the trouble Trump has focusing on tasks that don’t engage him. His former ghostwriter says, "He has no attention span." Unfortunately, the president actually needs to focus on all kinds of dull and unpleasant tasks.

Trump is a bully. Trump won the Republican nomination by proving that even adults can be bullied with schoolyard taunts. There was "low-energy Jeb," and "Little Marco," and "Lyin’ Ted," and now we’ve got "Crooked Hillary." Trump made fun of Rand Paul’s looks and Chris Christie’s weight and Carly Fiorina’s face and a New York Times reporter’s physical disability.

It seems like this shouldn’t have to be said, but it’s better to be kind than cruel, and there’s a deep, instinctual cruelty in Trump — he finds people’s weak spots, their insecurities, and he exposes them in front of crowds.

Trump has regularly incited or justified violence among his supporters. At a rally in St. Louis, Donald Trump lamented that "nobody wants to hurt each other anymore."

Yes, lamented.

The topic was protesters, and Trump's frustration was clear. "They're being politically correct the way they take them out," he sighed. "Protesters, they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore."

Earlier in the campaign, two of Trump’s supporters attacked a homeless Mexican man and told the police, "Donald Trump was right — all these illegals need to be deported." Trump’s response? "I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again."

The simple fact of it is that Donald Trump should not be president of the United States. That is not because he is too conservative, as some Democrats would have it, or because he is not conservative enough, as many Republicans would have it. It’s because the presidency is a powerful job where mistakes can kill millions, and whoever holds it needs to take that power seriously and wield it responsibly. Trump has had ample opportunity to demonstrate his sense of seriousness and responsibility. He has failed.

It is said that the benefit of America’s long presidential campaigns is they offer the candidates time to show us who they really are. Trump has shown us who he really is. He is a person who should not be president. That he is being brought this close to the presidency — that he is one major mistake by Hillary Clinton away from winning it — should scare us all. It certainly scares me.
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:18 am

I'm not surprised that Ezra Klein writes an article to scare-up more votes for Hillary Clinton. I agree with him, though, that Trump's temperament, his history, and his actions make him a person that I would not support to be the Leader of the Free World. I think that's a given to most people (here, especially).

But I refused to be bullied or shamed into voting for Hillary Clinton. I'm not going to hand her the powers of that same office after she's made a career out of shitting on my progressive values. It's not like she's just some ordinary politician that had to make a tough compromise that I found distasteful to my sensibilities. No, she's done much more than that and I'm not going to reward her, no matter how scary of a boogey-man they prop up against her.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:53 am

Jill Stein should be president.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:10 am

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Indeed. That's the Catch-22 scenario many of us are facing as we ponder how to best express our OBJECTION to the options laid before us.
You can go the SLAD/IAWIA route and vote based on presumed party preferences towards Supreme Court nominations (particularly how it may impact current abortion laws, among others...), or simply avoid voting altogether as a form of protest (or similarly, vote for Stein as another form of 'protest', though either alternative option will be provide little -- if any -- measurable 'lesson' to the status quo).

Quite the dilemma, huh?

What can we do?
As others here alluded, the one silver lining to a Trump presidency ‎is that it'll likely hasten the arrival of the looming societal nadir/dystopia that awaits this current Empire. Might as well get on with it and get to the climax already...
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