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Postby Cordelia » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:17 pm

Letter to advice columnist in yesterday's WaPo (really, people have to make this stuff up, right?)


July 5, 2020 at 12:00 a.m. EDT

Dear Amy: I need advice on how to handle a neighbor situation. The elderly lady across the street, who has always been a little crotchety, has now utterly lost it. She prowls the neighborhood, looking for "covid violations."

Two neighbors talking from opposite sides of the street get 10 minutes of screaming profanities because, in her mind, social distancing means not socializing at all.

She has called the police on another neighbor so many times that she's forbidden to do it again. The reason? There were three cars parked in his driveway. He has his daughter's family staying with him, which she considers "a party."

My parents came over for my father's birthday and she called the police on us, reporting an "unsafe large gathering spreading the virus."

The four of us, all healthy, were sitting inside eating cake. (And anyway, in our area, gatherings of 10 or fewer are considered fine.) She has also called the police on lone joggers without a mask and gloves, even though she doesn't wear them.

She has now set up video cameras conspicuously around her lawn, one of which is pointing directly at our house. She has commented that she can see in our windows and has berated us for not wearing a mask and gloves... in our own home!

My husband has suggested that we start mooning out the window. I would prefer a solution that doesn't involve her having photos of our naked backsides. I also don't want to be forced to keep the curtains closed.

How can we reason with the unreasonable?


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Real or not, I think this would make a great episode (or even an on-going sub-plot) in some upcoming t.v. series starring Tom Hanks as the all-American dad/husband coping (and mooning) with life, family, neighbors, etc... in a post-Virus world.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:04 pm

Dozens of links embedded at the original: https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/202 ... ative.html

How a false hydroxychloroquine narrative was created, and more

It is remarkable that a series of events taking place over the past 3 months produced a unified message about hydroxychloroquine, and produced similar policies about the drug in the US, Canada, Australia, NZ and western Europe. The message is that generic, inexpensive hydroxychloroquine is dangerous and should not be used to treat a potentially fatal disease, Covid-19, for which there are no (other) reliable treatments.

Hydroxychloroquine has been used safely for 65 years in many millions of patients. And so the message was crafted that the drug is safe for its other uses, but dangerous when used for Covid-19. It doesn't make sense, but it seems to have worked.

Were these acts carefully orchestrated? You decide.

Might these events have been planned to keep the pandemic going? To sell expensive drugs and vaccines to a captive population? Could these acts result in prolonged economic and social hardship, eventually transferring wealth from the middle class to the very rich? Are these events evidence of a conspiracy?

Here is a list of what happened, in no special order. Please help add to this list if you know of other actions I should include. This will be a living document. I have penned this as if it is the "to do" list of items to be carried out by those who pull the strings. The items on the list have already been carried out. One wonders what else might be on their list, yet to be carried out, for this pandemic.

1. You stop doctors from using the drug in ways it is most likely to be effective (in outpatients at onset of illness). You prohibit use outside of situations you can control.

Situations that were controlled to show no benefit included 3 large, randomized, multi-center clinical trials (Recovery, Solidarity and REMAP-Covid), the kind of trials that are generally believed to yield the most reliable evidence. However, each of them used excessive hydroxychloroquine doses that were known to be toxic and may have been fatal in some cases; see my previous articles here and here.

2. You prevent or limit use in outpatients by controlling the supply of the drug, using different methods in different countries and states. In NY state, by order of the governor, hydroxychloroquine could only be prescribed for hospitalized patients. France has issued a series of different regulations to limit prescribers from using it. France also changed the drugs' status from over-the-counter to a drug requiring a prescription.

3. You play up the danger of the drug, emphasizing side effects that are very rare when the drug is used correctly. You make sure everyone has heard about the man who died after consuming hydroxychloroquine in the form of fish tank cleaner.

4. You limit clinical trials to hospitalized patients, instead of testing the drug in outpatients, early in the illness, when it is predicted to be most effective.

5. You design clinical trials to give much too high a dose, ensuring the drug will cause harm in some subjects, sufficient to mask any possible beneficial effect. You make sure that trials in 400 hospitals in 35 countries use these dangerous doses.

6. You design clinical trials to collect almost no safety data, so any cause of death due to drug toxicity will be attributed to the disease instead of the drug.

7. You issue rules for use of the drug based on the results of the UK Recovery study, which overdosed patients. Of course the Recovery results showed more deaths in the hydroxychloroquine arm, since they gave patients 2.4 g in the first 24 hrs, 800 mg/day thereafter. Furthermore, the UK has the 2nd highest death rate in the world for Covid-19 (Belgium is 1st), so simply conducting the trial in the UK may have contributed to the poor results.

8. You publish, in the world's most-read medical journal, the Lancet, an observational study from a huge worldwide database (96,000 Covid cases) that says use of chloroquine drugs caused significantly increased mortality. You make sure that all major media report on this result. Then you have 3 European countries announce they will not allow doctors to prescribe the drug.

9. You do your best to ride out any controversy, never admitting culpability. Even after hundreds of people renounced the Lancet's observational study due to easily identified fabrications--the database used in the study did not exist, and the claimed numbers did not agree with known numbers of cases--the Lancet held firm for two weeks, serving to muddy the waters about the trial, until finally 3 of its 4 coauthors (but not the journal) retracted the study. But neither the authors nor the journal admitted responsibility. You make sure very few media report that the data were fabricated and the "study" was fraudulent. Even though the story was full of scandalous details, it went largely unreported. You let people believe the original story: that hydroxychloroquine routinely kills.

10. You ensure federal agencies like FDA and CDC hew to your desired policies. For example, FDA advised use only in hospitalized patients (too late) or in clinical trials (which are limited, are difficult to enroll in, or may use excessive doses). As of mid June, FDA advises patients and doctors to only give the drug to patients if they are in a clinical trial where, presumably, the results can be controlled.

Another example: you have FDA make unsubstantiated and false claims, such as: "Hospitalized patients were likely to have greater prospect of benefit (compared to ambulatory patients with mild illness)" and claim the chloroquine drugs have a slow onset of action. If that were really true, they would not be used for acute attacks of malaria or in critically ill patients with Covid. (Disclosure: I once dosed myself with chloroquine for an acute attack of P. vivax malaria, and it worked very fast.). Providing no other treatment advice, even though providing such information is a large part of its mission, CDC instead refers clinicians to the NIH guidelines, discussed below.

11. You make sure to avoid funding/encouraging clinical trials that test drug combinations like hydroxychloroquine with zinc, with azithromycin, or with both, although there is ample clinical evidence that such combinations provide a cumulative benefit to patients.

12. You have federal and UN agencies make false, illogical claims based on models rather than human data. For example, you have the FDA state on June 15 that the dose required to treat Covid is so high it is toxic, after the Recovery and Solidarity trials have been exposed for toxic dosing. This scientific double-speak gives some legal cover to the clinical trials that overdosed their patients. According to Denise Hinton, RN, the FDA's Chief Scientist (yes, a registered nurse without scientific qualifications is the Chief Scientist at FDA), or a clumsy FDA wordsmith:

"Under the assumption that in vivo cellular accumulation is similar to that from the in vitro cell-based assays, the calculated free lung concentrations that would result from the EUA suggested dosing regimens are well below the in vitro EC50/EC90 values, making the antiviral effect against SARS-CoV-2 not likely achievable with the dosing regimens recommended in the EUA. The substantial increase in dosing that would be needed to increase the likelihood of an antiviral effect would not be acceptable due to toxicity concerns."

You have a WHO report claim toxic doses are needed. This is nonsense since:

* CDC researchers showed strong effects against SARS-1 at safely achievable concentrations,
* the drug at normal doses is being tested in over 30 different medical conditions (see clinicaltrials.gov), and
* reports from many different countries say that the drug is effective for Covid-19 at normal doses, while
* a high dose chloroquine treatment trial was halted in Brazil and a preprint of the study was posted April 11, or perhaps April 7, after finding that drug effects were causing ventricular arrhythmias and deaths.

Toxicity was noted after only 3 days of treatment, during which 3.6 grams of chloroquine were administered. But the Solidarity (3.2 grams of hydroxychloroquine in 3 days), Recovery (3.6 grams of hydroxychloroquine in 3 days) and REMAP-Covid trials (3.6 grams of hydroxychloroquine in 3 days) continued overdosing patients until June, despite Brazil's evidence of deaths by overdose.

Tellingly, JAMA editor Gordon Rubenfeld wrote after the Brazilian study came out in JAMA, "if you are prescribing HCQ after these JAMA results, do yourself and your defense lawyer a favor. Document in your medical record that you informed the patient of the potential risks of HCQ including sudden death and its benefits (???)."

13. You create an NIH Guidelines committee for Covid treatment recommendations, in which 16 members have or had financial entanglements with Gilead, maker of Remdesivir. The members were appointed by the Co-Chairs. Two of the three Co-Chairs are themselves financially entangled with Gilead. Are you surprised that their guidelines recommend specifically against the use of hydroxychloroquine and in favor of Remdesivir, and that they deem this the new "standard of care"?

14. You frighten doctors so they don't prescribe hydroxychloroquine, if prescribing it is even allowed in their jurisdiction, because prescribing outside the new NIH "standard of care" leaves them open to malpractice lawsuits. You further tell them (through the FDA) they need to monitor a variety of lab parameters and patient EKGs when using the drug, although this was never advised before, which makes it very difficult to use the drug in outpatients. You have the European Medicines Agency issue similar warnings.

15. You manage to control the conduct of most trials around the world by specially designing the WHO-managed Solidarity trials, currently conducted in 35 countries. WHO halted hydroxychloroquine clinical trials around the world, twice. The first time, May 25, WHO claimed it was in response to the (fraudulent) Lancet study. The second time, June 17, WHO claimed the stop was in response to the Recovery trial results. Recovery used highly toxic doses of hydroxychloroquine in over 1500 patients, of whom 396 died. You stop the trial before the data safety monitoring board has looked at your data, a move that is unlikely to be consistent with trial protocol. WHO's trial in over 400 hospitals overdosed patients with 2.0 g hydroxychloroquine in the first 24 hours. The trial was halted 3 days after the toxic doses were exposed (by me). The trial involved doctors around the world typing minimal patient information into an online WHO platform, which assigned the patient a treatment. The only "safety" information collected during the trial was whether patients required oxygen, required a ventilator, or died. This masked adverse effects of the drugs tested. I should mention that WHO's initial plan for its Solidarity trial entirely omitted the chloroquine drugs, but they were added at the urging of participating nations. WHO's fallback position appears to have been to use toxic doses.

16. You have the WHO pressure governments to stop doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

17. You have the WHO pressure professional societies to stop doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

18. You make sure that the most-consulted US medical encyclopedia, UptoDate, advises physicians to restrict hydroxychloroquine to only clinical trials, citing the FDA.

19. You have the head of the Coronavirus Task Force, Dr. Tony Fauci, insist the drug cannot be used in the absence of strong evidence...while he insisted exactly the opposite in the case of the MERS coronavirus outbreak several years ago, when he recommended an untested drug combination for use...which had been developed for that purpose by his agency. And while he was bemoaning the lack of evidence, he was refusing to pay for trials to study hydroxychloroquine. And he was changing the goalposts on the Remdesivir trial, not once but twice, to make Remdesivir show a tiny bit of benefit, but no mortality benefit. And don't forget, Fauci was thrilled to sponsor a trial of a Covid vaccine in humans before there were any data from animal trials. So much for requiring high quality evidence before risking use of drugs and vaccines in humans.

20. You convince the population that the crisis will be long-lasting. You have the 2nd richest man in the world, and biggest funder of the WHO, Bill Gates, keep repeating to the media megaphone that we cannot go back to normal until everyone has been vaccinated or there is a perfect drug. (The Gates Foundation helped design the WHO clinical trials, and Gates is heavily invested in Covid pharmaceuticals and vaccines.)

21. You have CDC (with help from FDA) prevent the purchase of coronavirus test kits from Germany, China, WHO, etc, and fail to produce a valid test kit themselves. The result was that during January and February, US cases could not be tested, and for several months thereafter insufficient and unreliable test kits made it impossible to track the epidemic and stop the spread.

22. You have trusted medical spokesmen lie to the public about the pandemic's severity, so precautions weren't taken when they might have been more effective and less long-lasting. Congress was repeatedly briefed about the pandemic in January and February, which scared several Congress members enough that they sold off large amounts of stock, risking insider trading charges. Senator Burr is one of them, currently under investigation for major stock sales on February 13.

Yet Dr. Fauci told USA Today on February 17 that Americans should worry more about the flu than about coronavirus, the danger of which was "just miniscule." Then on February 28, Drs. Fauci and Robert Redfield (CDC Director) wrote in the New England Journal:

"...the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively."

23. You destroy the reputation of respected physicians who stand in your way. Professor Didier Raoult and his team in Marseille have used hydroxychloroquine on over 4,000 patients, reporting a mortality rate of about 0.8%. (The mortality rate of patients given hydroxychloroquine in the Recovery trial was 25.7%.) Raoult is very famous for discovering over 100 different microorganisms, and finding the long-sought cause of Whipple's Disease. With this reputation, Raoult apparently thought he could treat patients as he saw fit, which he has done, under great duress. Raoult was featured in a New York Times Magazine article, with his face on the magazine cover, on May 12, 2020. After describing his accomplishments, the Times very unfavorably discussed his personality, implied he conducted unethical trials without approval, and using anonymous sourcing produced a detailed hit piece. Raoult is now considered an unreliable crank in the US.

24. You have social media platforms ban content that does not agree with the desired narrative. As YouTube CEO and ex-wife of Google founder Sergey Brin, Susan Wojcicki said,

“YouTube will ban any content containing medical advice that contradicts World Health Organisation (WHO) coronavirus recommendations. Anything that would go against World Health Organisation recommendations would be a violation of our policy.”

25. When your clinical trials are criticized for overdosing patients, you have Oxford-affiliated, Wellcome Trust-supported scientists at Mahidol University publish papers (a literature review with modeling and a modeling study) purporting to show that the doses used were not toxic. You develop a new method to measure hydroxychloroquine in a handful of Recovery patients who were not poisoned. However, there are 2 problems you forgot with this approach:

* The Brazilian data, including 16 deaths, extensive clinical information and documented ventricular arrhythmias, are much more persuasive than a theoretical model of hydroxychloroquine pharmacokinetics.
* Either the drug is too toxic to use, even at normal doses, for a life-threatening disease, or even extremely high doses are safe. You can't have it both ways.

Oxford is the institution running the Recovery trial, and invented a Covid vaccine that already has 400 million doses on order. The Wellcome Trust funded the Recovery trial.

26. You change your trial's primary outcome measures after the trials have started, in order to prevent detection of drug-induced deaths (Recovery) or to make your drug appear to have efficacy (NIAID Remdesivir trial).

27. You stop manufacturers from supplying the drug. Shortly after the fraudulent Lancet paper came out, Sanofi announced it would no longer supply the drug for use with Covid, and would halt its two hydroxychloroquine clinical trials. One of the cancelled Sanofi trials was expected to test 210 outpatients early in the course of disease. The trial remains suspended at the time of writing, while the Lancet paper was retracted 13 days after publication. You surely don't want a trial of hydroxychloroquine treatment early in the disease, since it might show an excellent effect.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:01 pm

Where does having a president and a major TV and Internet network constantly promote the drug fit into this analysis?

What is the alleged purpose, if one takes at face value this particular spin of the narrative?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:06 pm

Idiot President promotes drug he knows nothing about, turning it into a political issue.

Those poised to profit off of more expensive drugs successfully utilize Trump's typical uninformed ridiculousness as the ultimate negative endorsement.

Thus, science, which is typically overwhelmed by money and lobbyists in this case also gets overwhelmed by politics. Nobody assesses the empirical evidence evenhandedly once Trump gets involved. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was paid handsomely for his negative endorsement of a cheap and effective medication. Would you?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:15 am

God-damn it, I despise Tom Hanx, as Mr. Rodgers, I'll never watch that shit. When I was much much younger and insecure, I hated Mr. Rodgers, mostly because my mom bought me Mr. Rodgers shoes and I had to wear them to hellish inner city schools, and got beat up everyday, so I ditched them for Boots, boots gave me the confidence to fight back. I hid them outside my house and even though one of the heels needed repair, I wore them. I'd leave the house w/my sissy Mr. Rogers shoes, and put on my big boy boots. it wasn't until Igot much older that I started to respect Mr. Rodgers, and was crushed when he died.

Fuck Hanx, for fucking up my hard won respect for Mr. Rodgers.




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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:13 am

Grizzly » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:15 pm wrote:God-damn it, I despise Tom Hanx, as Mr. Rodgers, I'll never watch that shit. When I was much much younger and insecure, I hated Mr. Rodgers, mostly because my mom bought me Mr. Rodgers shoes and I had to wear them to hellish inner city schools, and got beat up everyday, so I ditched them for Boots, boots gave me the confidence to fight back. I hid them outside my house and even though one of the heels needed repair, I wore them. I'd leave the house w/my sissy Mr. Rogers shoes, and put on my big boy boots. it wasn't until Igot much older that I started to respect Mr. Rodgers, and was crushed when he died.

Fuck Hanx, for fucking up my hard won respect for Mr. Rodgers.






He seemed like a good dude. I definitely shed a few years with the Mr Rogers documentary in theaters a couple years ago. That horrific mass shooting at the Jewish center in Pittsburgh was directly across the street from the house Mr Rogers lived most his life. Just the yin and yang of the symbolism is striking
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby lucky » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:10 am

liminalOyster » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:00 am wrote:Hot tip I received from someone in the medical community: lots of docs now scared shitless that COVID is more a chronic, persistent syndrome.condition (without understanding) than a fast killer and MSM will begin talking about this more openly over next few weeks.


Heard the same yesterday on the wireless someone called in who had symptoms ongoing for 3 months now - differing from nausea, tiredness, confusion etc. He had been in contact with others suffering the same and all tests come up clear.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 am

lucky » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:10 pm wrote:
liminalOyster » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:00 am wrote:Hot tip I received from someone in the medical community: lots of docs now scared shitless that COVID is more a chronic, persistent syndrome.condition (without understanding) than a fast killer and MSM will begin talking about this more openly over next few weeks.


Heard the same yesterday on the wireless someone called in who had symptoms ongoing for 3 months now - differing from nausea, tiredness, confusion etc. He had been in contact with others suffering the same and all tests come up clear.


Has anyone compared the symptoms experienced at Greenham Common and in Northern Ireland, both attributed to microwave weapons, with these chronic symptoms?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby lucky » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:30 am

Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:57 pm wrote:
lucky » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:10 pm wrote:
liminalOyster » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:00 am wrote:Hot tip I received from someone in the medical community: lots of docs now scared shitless that COVID is more a chronic, persistent syndrome.condition (without understanding) than a fast killer and MSM will begin talking about this more openly over next few weeks.


Heard the same yesterday on the wireless someone called in who had symptoms ongoing for 3 months now - differing from nausea, tiredness, confusion etc. He had been in contact with others suffering the same and all tests come up clear.


Has anyone compared the symptoms experienced at Greenham Common and in Northern Ireland, both attributed to microwave weapons, with these chronic symptoms?


That would be difficult no? as those type of weapons would be efficacious with a crowd but not so with single targets. Also for what purpose. People who have suffered with Covid 19 many end up with badly scarred lungs and a life of COPD - not nice. There is soooo much about this bloody situation I am confused about - including the main issue i toy with ,is this a mass phy- op and if so to serve what purpose.....and the brain washing mention above makes it even :starz: :whisper: :shrug: more scary.
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Postby Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:37 am

Compare the symptoms with the effects of microwave weapons. Identical.
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Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:37 pm wrote:Compare the symptoms with the effects of microwave weapons. Identical.


Also the same as altitude sickness, I don't see your point ,a wide range of symptoms is bound to include a weapon that gives you a wide range of symptoms....causation/correlation
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:58 am

lucky » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:15 pm wrote:
Harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:37 pm wrote:Compare the symptoms with the effects of microwave weapons. Identical.


Also the same as altitude sickness, I don't see your point ,a wide range of symptoms is bound to include a weapon that gives you a wide range of symptoms....causation/correlation


I don't have a point, I'm noting the coincidence.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:52 am

^^^^^

Indeed. If there is one thing, and only one thing, that seems certain right now, it's that there's lots of white noise (disinfo, misinfo, various forms of conditioning programs, etc.). We are being f#cked with, more so than the usual dose of f#ckery.

Is it part of a ramp-up to a soon-to-be-revealed event in the near future, or a broad tightening of the screws due to other, currently unknown factors?

We can only ruminate right now, but that doesn't mean we need to remain stagnant, or accept it.
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Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:06 pm

Basically just a random comment here but a doctor friend just explained to me last night that one of the big stories of COVID is that it's a vascular disease that was first mistaken for a respiratory one.
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Coronavirus Etiquette

Postby Cordelia » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:28 am

Dear Miss Manners:

If you're wearing a mask, do you have to cover your mouth when you yawn? Or is the mask sufficient?


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