What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[liminalOyster]

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.

OK, I thought so. I met and had dinner with Arrington de Dionyso at a show when I was tagging along with my friend's band on tour, and he regularly plays shows with friends of mine in Portland. I dunno, he seems like just a guy. A little pretentious but hardly someone I would associate with this level of heinousness. Another friend of mine would qualify as an occultist, & his recent record functioned as an invocation of Pinhead (from Hellraiser). That doesn't mean he's secretly skinning people alive in his basement.

Not saying it's impossible, but I do think there should be a distinction drawn between 'artists' and the employment of those artists by those in charge of commissioning their work, ie, the owners of Comet Pizza. To say, as some seem to be, that Arrington is implicated in a pedo-cult because of a sketchy painting he drew, probably one of hundreds, smacks of witch-hunt logic. He is far from a millionaire, not a high-profile person at all.

EDIT: just saw guruilla said about as much, more eloquently. it pays to read!

Man, I missed so much of this (checks again) NINETY-TWO page thread. Sucks to go nuts. But hey, when you inhabit a world where supposedly paranoid people make endless excuses for why their acquaintances who are into really creepy art are surely harmless, it's bound to help drive you crazy.

The primary issue with Arrington de Dionyso is not any sinister occult side of his own, but the fact that Alefantis chose one of his occult decapitation murals to decorate a room where children would be playing ping pong. Same as the Djurdjevic principle: It's not the artist in question so much as it's the customer.

What about de Dionyso, though?

This analysis is new to this board, I think:

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

But so yeah, to me de Dionyso still smells like a fucking ghoul, too, sorry. Witch hunt logic? Yep. So be it. More like witch hunt INTUITION. There be witches. Bad ones, not just the good kind. And they're often not wealthy or powerful. They can look just like an edgelord hipster. Nice people, I'm sure, until they want to hurt you. So you all can err on the side of exculpating people from black magic accusations. But I'm going to do the opposite and assume the worst if given even a faint whiff of foul play. Somebody needs to be the red team here and argue against the consensus. I'm reviving this thread for the new year. I'm going to weed out the bullshit and see whatever's left. This time I will not lose my mind.

In another post, you say it's a striking coincidence that the guy has friends who died in the Ghost Ship fire. But what he says makes perfect sense - friends of his from Olympia, a very well known and vaunted arts hub. So, the glue here is the counterculture. Why is that coincidence striking to you?

Further, "off with his head" goes back to Henry VI, at least. And has been a political slogan for years. I didn't even notice the decapitation motif in the CPP mural but admittedly only did a quick glance. Nonetheless, pretty much all broadly European-originating art is closely connected to depictions of the gruesome and the taboo and profane. So what's the issue here?

This guy seems like a fairly milquetoast Lefty artist/musician.

SIncerely, what are you perceiving here that I am not?

What I don't understand is why you think assuming guilt (against artists and musicians etc) is what the time calls for. I would've said the opposite.

[FourthBase]

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.

OK, I thought so. I met and had dinner with Arrington de Dionyso at a show when I was tagging along with my friend's band on tour, and he regularly plays shows with friends of mine in Portland. I dunno, he seems like just a guy. A little pretentious but hardly someone I would associate with this level of heinousness. Another friend of mine would qualify as an occultist, & his recent record functioned as an invocation of Pinhead (from Hellraiser). That doesn't mean he's secretly skinning people alive in his basement.

Not saying it's impossible, but I do think there should be a distinction drawn between 'artists' and the employment of those artists by those in charge of commissioning their work, ie, the owners of Comet Pizza. To say, as some seem to be, that Arrington is implicated in a pedo-cult because of a sketchy painting he drew, probably one of hundreds, smacks of witch-hunt logic. He is far from a millionaire, not a high-profile person at all.

EDIT: just saw guruilla said about as much, more eloquently. it pays to read!

Man, I missed so much of this (checks again) NINETY-TWO page thread. Sucks to go nuts. But hey, when you inhabit a world where supposedly paranoid people make endless excuses for why their acquaintances who are into really creepy art are surely harmless, it's bound to help drive you crazy.

The primary issue with Arrington de Dionyso is not any sinister occult side of his own, but the fact that Alefantis chose one of his occult decapitation murals to decorate a room where children would be playing ping pong. Same as the Djurdjevic principle: It's not the artist in question so much as it's the customer.

What about de Dionyso, though?

This analysis is new to this board, I think:

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

But so yeah, to me de Dionyso still smells like a fucking ghoul, too, sorry. Witch hunt logic? Yep. So be it. More like witch hunt INTUITION. There be witches. Bad ones, not just the good kind. And they're often not wealthy or powerful. They can look just like an edgelord hipster. Nice people, I'm sure, until they want to hurt you. So you all can err on the side of exculpating people from black magic accusations. But I'm going to do the opposite and assume the worst if given even a faint whiff of foul play. Somebody needs to be the red team here and argue against the consensus. I'm reviving this thread for the new year. I'm going to weed out the bullshit and see whatever's left. This time I will not lose my mind.

In another post, you say it's a striking coincidence that the guy has friends who died in the Ghost Ship fire. But what he says makes perfect sense - friends of his from Olympia, a very well known and vaunted arts hub. So, the glue here is the counterculture. Why is that coincidence striking to you?

Struck me as interesting because the fire happened in the immediate aftermath of Pizzagate. Also, de Dionyso knew some people, out of the 36 who died, which, I get how artsy hipsters live in a small world but that's still improbable. Also, all of the people who died but 1 were visitors to the warehouse attending a house music event, not residents. Maybe his definition of knowing people is expansive, and they were mostly just people he met once or knew about from a friend. Still, if we were talking about any other putative occult child abuse network, a fire like that would be suspicious by default, as a way to kill people off or dispose of evidence or send a message. When I first learned about it while locked up in a psych ward, my manic spidey senses tingled, and I didn't even know that Arrington de Dionyso knew some people in the fire. I wonder if Alefantis knew anyone in the fire. I wonder if the members of Heavy Breathing knew anyone in the fire.

Further, "off with his head" goes back to Henry VI, at least. And has been a political slogan for years. I didn't even notice the decapitation motif in the CPP mural but admittedly only did a quick glance. Nonetheless, pretty much all broadly European-originating art is closely connected to depictions of the gruesome and the taboo and profane. So what's the issue here?

This guy seems like a fairly milquetoast Lefty artist/musician.

SIncerely, what are you perceiving here that I am not?

Check out his oeuvre. We're talking about decapitations in the context of demonic orgies and shit. Check out the two steemit links, too, but they only cover a fraction of his stuff. Do an image search.

Just because the gruesome and taboo is ubiquitous in art now, doesn't mean it's not a problem! You may just be an average artist who's copying the motifs of other truly deranged artists in order to keep up with the transgressive treadmill and "honor your influences", but me, personally, I have switched my default to "I'm assuming you're painting bloody orgies featuring serpents and horns and decapitated heads because you worship some kind of devil and actually do this shit, until you convince me otherwise."

What I don't understand is why you think assuming guilt (against artists and musicians etc) is what the time calls for. I would've said the opposite.

Because this place needs a red team, a consigliere, a devil's advocate (or devil's prosecutor, as it may be), someone to place bets on the squares that you all are too biased to consider. Because the world needs somebody (besides Horsley) to take Pizzagate seriously who isn't an alt-right Nazi douchebag or a mindless fundamentalist Christian, just in case a horrifying amount of it is true.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Guess I'll share this here.

When I saw the Shining sequel Doctor Sleep at the theater back in November, I came out of it feeling that not only was it just a terrible movie, it was a) actively obfuscating the whistleblowing symbology of Kubrick's film and b) was a stealthily pro-pedo film, in which not only are adult/child relations normalized in a subliminally creepy way, but an actual pedophile (hebephile, whatever) is made to be the victim to an 'evil' Lolita-esque teen girl who wishes to punish him for his crimes. She goes on to be one of the main villains of the film — "fucking men" she says, before being shot in the head by one our heroes.

The film also features an excruciatingly protracted scene in which a young boy is sadistically tortured and murdered, and his life essence imbibed.

ANYWAY, the sharp end of this being that until days after seeing the film and having all these feelings, I had no knowledge of director Mike Flanagan's Instagram account, which I discovered has an interesting theme to it, to say the least:



I'm sure it's just coincidence.

[FourthBase]

Guess I'll share this here.

When I saw the Shining sequel Doctor Sleep at the theater back in November, I came out of it feeling that not only was it just a terrible movie, it was a) actively obfuscating the whistleblowing symbology of Kubrick's film and b) was a stealthily pro-pedo film, in which not only are adult/child relations normalized in a subliminally creepy way, but an actual pedophile (hebephile, whatever) is made to be the victim to an 'evil' Lolita-esque teen girl who wishes to punish him for his crimes. She goes on to be one of the main villains of the film — "fucking men" she says, before being shot in the head by one our heroes.

The film also features an excruciatingly protracted scene in which a young boy is sadistically tortured and murdered, and his life essence imbibed.

ANYWAY, the sharp end of this being that until days after seeing the film and having all these feelings, I had no knowledge of director Mike Flanagan's Instagram account, which I discovered has an interesting theme to it, to say the least:



I'm sure it's just coincidence.

He would probably say that he's knowingly trolling the Pizzagate crowd, right? But he's still basically inviting paranoid freaks (like me) to associate him with a cannibalistic pedophile ring, which is...an interesting personal and professional choice. And even worse he's basically asking for Nazis and fundies to send him death threats. Maybe that's the point, as in, publicity bait? How old is that account, and when did he begin the pizza theme?

If he were just some ordinary horror director, I could maybe see him getting innocently caught up in a West Memphis Three type of virtue signal campaign where edgy artists stand up for the rights of other edgy artists to express themselves against right wing and Christian smears by defiantly appearing to obsess over pizza. But this guy just directed that movie, with the pedo hero and the Lolita villain and this shit...

The film also features an excruciatingly protracted scene in which a young boy is sadistically tortured and murdered, and his life essence imbibed.

...?

Nah.

I could try and squint and focus on the potential case for his innocence, but I ain't about that anymore. I play the devil's prosecutor now. I'm assuming that motherfucker is a baby-raping ghoul until persuaded otherwise.

I'm tempted to post something on the Voat cesspool I've reluctantly dipped my toe in every now and then, but I want RI to own this item and exemplify the mature, smart, sane way to analyze a lead. Lemme check if the Voat shitheads already stumbled on it...and...nope. Let's hope it stays that way for a while.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

First few posts are dated in 2014, so started well before Pizzagate became a thing. But then no posts until July 2016, at which point the posts ramp up.

Wow, and I had never noticed this before. Look at this post:



That would be a cheese pizza situated inside a hospital baby crib, complete with pacifier. Not weird at all.

[FourthBase]

When a " " isn't enough.

So the account was not started as a response to Pizzagate. But were the first posts back in 2014 and the surge of posts in the summer of 2016 pizza-related, too? The cradle pizza is dated 11/28/2016, which was in the middle of peak Pizzagate. Which, unless there are earlier pizza posts, supports the theory that he only started the pizza obsession as a middle finger to the Pizzagate crowd, which I'm sure he thought of as a witch hunt he was obliged to resist since he was born right up the road in Salem.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Fl ... (filmmaker)

Although he only briefly lived in Salem, it left an impression on him, and Flanagan retained an abiding interest in both the Salem witch trials and associated topics, such as ghost stories and horror fiction.

"Associated topics" means what, tho?

Of course, that all would be an apt background for a pedophile occult ghoul, too. "How'd you get interested in satanic child abuse and human sacrifice?" "Well, you see, I was born in Salem..."

Turns out that Flanagan switched the details of that villain character AOC mentioned. In the King book, she's a woman in her 30's.

https://stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/Snakebite_Andi

In the film adaption, Andi is instead a 15 year old girl, who dresses cleanly, lacks her tattoo, and seems to lure men into movie theaters through online ads.

As for the torture, murder, and consumption of the young boy, that's apparently in the original book.* But it would be Flanagan's choice how to depict it. Exactly how protracted was it?

*King's on my docket. Nobody who writes stuff like that, however artistically compelling, gets the benefit of the doubt from me now. Ghoulish until proven innocuous. He's basically the Spielberg of literature in terms of terrorizing children, anyway. Surprised he's never really been spotlighted by the Pizzagate mob. Except there was a bit of attention paid to the part in the book It where five 11-year-old boys ritualistically have sex with an 11-year-old girl.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

So the account was not started as a response to Pizzagate. But were the first posts back in 2014 and the surge of posts in the summer of 2016 pizza-related, too?

It's all pizza, FB. Pizza from the start (2014). Pizzas all the way down. Every post a pie. And with one exception, it's all greasy cheese pizza, occasionally pepperoni. Here's a link to the profile so you can see for yourself: https://www.instagram.com/flanaganfilm

As for the torture, murder, and consumption of the young boy, that's apparently in the original book.* But it would be Flanagan's choice how to depict it. Exactly how protracted was it?

I dunno how exactly protracted it was. I wasn't timing it. It felt like a long time. It was probably a minute or two of blood-curdling screams. Here, you can read about it, and how disturbingly real Jacob Tremblay's performance was that it nearly traumatized the cast:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248445 ... e-together

Flanagan: He just did it, and none of us knew how to react. The True Knot was traumatized, like Rebecca [Ferguson] and all these like big swaggery monsters were just destroyed. Zahn McClarnon had to leave. He was crying at the end of it. It was silent as a funeral when we called cut, and Jacob just hops up, high fives his dad – covered with blood, grinning ear to ear. His dad is smirking cause he knew what was gonna happen, and he knew what we were going to see, and he went off to craft service and got a snack.

[FourthBase]

So the account was not started as a response to Pizzagate. But were the first posts back in 2014 and the surge of posts in the summer of 2016 pizza-related, too?

It's all pizza, FB. Pizza from the start (2014). Pizzas all the way down. Every post a pie. And with one exception, it's all greasy cheese pizza, occasionally pepperoni. Here's a link to the profile so you can see for yourself: https://www.instagram.com/flanaganfilm

Jesus...

It's amazing that there were only about three comments I saw by trolls hinting at a Pizzagate connection. If he ever caught the attention of the mob his posts would be littered with Pizzagate shade. Fascinating to see an unblemished specimen. Well, unless he deleted some tasteless pics from that pre-Pizzagate period. Which seems to be the case since one of the replies on one of the first three in 2014 mentions how he always posts nothing but pizza, but that doesn't really make sense if he had only posted three. Must have been more, and he made some cuts. No way to wayback Instagram, right?

This was an interesting one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2KBoIHlqxA/

As for the torture, murder, and consumption of the young boy, that's apparently in the original book.* But it would be Flanagan's choice how to depict it. Exactly how protracted was it?

I dunno how exactly protracted it was. I wasn't timing it. It felt like a long time. It was probably a minute or two of blood-curdling screams. Here, you can read about it, and how disturbingly real Jacob Tremblay's performance was that it nearly traumatized the cast:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248445 ... e-together

Flanagan: He just did it, and none of us knew how to react. The True Knot was traumatized, like Rebecca [Ferguson] and all these like big swaggery monsters were just destroyed. Zahn McClarnon had to leave. He was crying at the end of it. It was silent as a funeral when we called cut, and Jacob just hops up, high fives his dad – covered with blood, grinning ear to ear. His dad is smirking cause he knew what was gonna happen, and he knew what we were going to see, and he went off to craft service and got a snack.

That sounds normal.

When did kids start getting murdered on screen? It must still be a rarity, right? Or do I not want to know? An extended scene of child torture and murder must still be quite rare on film, right?

Here's a list of onscreen child deaths.

https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/ ... ath-scenes

They don't sound nearly as bad as that Dr. Sleep scene. And the worst ones involve teens not young children. So, AOC, you might have been subjected to the closest simulation of child snuff that Hollywood's ever produced.

EDIT: Many more options at this link as well as the copious comment section.

https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorial ... led-a-kid/

Still nothing that compares to the scene you watched, I think. I think Dr. Sleep must have set a record for prolonged torture and murder of a child.

[Elvis]

I have switched my default to "I'm assuming you're painting bloody orgies featuring serpents and horns and decapitated heads because you worship some kind of devil and actually do this shit, until you convince me otherwise."

you all are too biased

[FourthBase]

I have switched my default to "I'm assuming you're painting bloody orgies featuring serpents and horns and decapitated heads because you worship some kind of devil and actually do this shit, until you convince me otherwise."

you all are too biased

I'll pretend you're not just pretending to not get it.

Since you're almost all so biased in one direction, I'm going to assume the other bias just for the sake of covering your big blind spot. I'm going to play the role of devil's advocate, except since the crowd here is, culturally speaking, already a bunch of devil-sympathizers, I'll really be playing the role of devil's prosecutor.

Get it?

[FourthBase]

guruilla, ditch your drug hangup and interview me.

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Urrrm. I'll take that as a "Some Other Time Perhaps...."

By the way, I'm very happy guruilla had a no-pothead-guests policy because if he had interviewed me in December of 2016 I would've been an epic embarrassment. Maybe some other time, yes, perhaps. If I ever quit smoking weed.

[FourthBase]

I don't know how many other Pizzagate threads there were in total, but I'll post a link here to guruilla's What Is Pizzagate? just so I can refer back to it more easily as I browse.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40243

Also my recent Trauma & Enlightenment thread.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41835

[FourthBase]

Now this is fucking fascinating. Never noticed this before. How did this board not raise a collective eyebrow at a Zapruder heir?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39042&p=622950

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Another example of similar 'message handling'; note the author and associated references/comparison, as well as citing the same Flynn TWEET mentioned by Colbert.

They're really driving that "fake news" meme, huh? Clearly the memo was sent out to deploy this phrase as yet another 'white noise' instrument, and the media lapdogs have dutifully complied in chorus:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/opini ... .html?_r=0

There Are No Child Sex Slaves at My Local Pizza Parlor

By ALEXANDRA ZAPRUDER
DEC. 10, 2016

WASHINGTON — On any given day, locals flock to Comet Ping Pong, a pizza joint here not far from where I live, to eat, talk and, of course, play Ping-Pong. But last Sunday, a man armed with a military-style assault rifle and a pistol turned up for an entirely different reason: to see for himself whether the restaurant was indeed, as right-wing fake news reports and conspiracy websites have declared, the hub of a vile child sex-slavery ring masterminded by Hillary Clinton.

The absurdity of this story would be laughable if it hadn’t led a man to bring a rifle to a restaurant filled with families. And if it hadn’t resulted in an army of online terrorists harassing the owner, his employees and others along that block of Connecticut Avenue, accusing them of unspeakable crimes and even issuing death threats.

I’ve seen my share of conspiracy theories. My grandfather, who accidentally took a home movie of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination — now known as the Zapruder film — was implicated in some of the most delusional stories about that event: He had colluded with the C.I.A. to allow his film to be altered just days after the assassination; he had secret ties to Lee Harvey Oswald through a co-worker who later married Oswald’s close friend; and, wait for it, he was the one who pulled the trigger through an elaborate gun-as-camera mechanism at the bidding of the Jewish Mafia.

The government’s failure, in the historian Art Simon’s words, to come up with “a coherent and believable account of the assassination” left many gaps to be filled. While early assassination researchers performed a valuable function by making important information public, later conspiracy theorists relied on association and innuendo and cherry-picked details to build increasingly wild narratives.

If one outcome of Kennedy’s assassination was a loss of trust in government and the news media, we have now entered an era in which such suspicions have mushroomed into something far more dangerous — a rupture in the very idea of shared truth.

The crisis at Comet was averted when the gunman surrendered to the police before anyone was hurt. But the deeper problem remains. We are no longer talking about a relatively small group of Kennedy conspiracy theorists trading notes and publishing articles. We are talking about millions who are reading Reddit and 4chan, imbibing fabricated stories attributed to fictitious publications like The Denver Guardian and getting whipped into a fury of self-righteous anger that — given the easy access to guns in our society — may well result in violence.

Is there any way to reverse this trend? The mainstream news media can’t do a thing. If I learned one thing from trying to understand the Kennedy conspiracy theorists, it’s that it is impossible to dispel the amorphous cloud of suspicion. If you try, you are either a dupe or part of the cover-up — the cloud simply grows to include you. Nor, needless to say, is anyone from the Democratic Party going to be able to reason with those who are convinced that Mrs. Clinton is organizing a child sex-slave network through a pizza restaurant in Northwest Washington.

The president-elect, on the other hand, could make a difference. But Donald J. Trump and his team have legitimized rather than repudiated this kind of speculation. He embraced the so-called birther movement, claimed that he saw Muslims celebrating after the Sept. 11 attacks and tweeted that millions voted “illegally” for Mrs. Clinton. Just before the election, his pick for national security adviser, Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, fanned the flames of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy by tweeting about Mrs. Clinton and sex crimes and providing a link to a fake-news article.

U decide - NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes w Children, etc...MUST READ! https://t.co/O0bVJT3QDr

— General Flynn (@GenFlynn) Nov. 3, 2016

If Mr. Trump does nothing, could our new neighbor, Mike Pence, speak up? How about the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell; the speaker of the House, Paul Ryan; or Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee and future chief of staff to the president? Surely they see that assaults on truth are harmful to all of us, regardless of our political orientation. Why haven’t they and other responsible conservatives condemned these lies on the grounds that no one is safe in a world in which facts no longer have merit?

They should. And they should do it at Comet Ping Pong. They should stand in front of the restaurant and say that no matter how vehemently you disagree with Mrs. Clinton’s politics, there is no justification for accusing her of child trafficking. They should condemn “fake news” — which is a weak term for deep hatred that takes the form of a story — and encourage their supporters to do the same.

Is there any world in which this could happen? It depends on whether Republicans think vilifying Mrs. Clinton serves their interests. It depends on whether they accept that there is such a thing as truth and that we are morally obligated to defend it. This may be a political problem for our Republican friends, but it shouldn’t be a moral one.

They should stand up for the truth. Then stay for the pizza. And let’s put this madness behind us.

I've had my eye on Alexandra's brother Matthew since 2006 or so. Something about his poetry made me suspect steganography. Maybe it was just his close association with the KGB Bar that led me to be paranoid. Not hard to imagine that he and his whole family could be rotten. Their grandfather, of course, just happened to work with Mrs. George DeMohrenschilt ("Oswald's close friend", lol) and Marie Fehmer's mother, and may have belonged to the spook-laden Dallas Council on World Affairs, and was definitely a Freemason. Their mother was employed at, of all places, the National Archives. And they were unusually blessed by the government with a fortune in blood money.

[FourthBase]

Gee, why am I not surprised that the only reference on RI to James Gunn's pedophile "jokes" are brief mentions in American Dream links to articles about the scary alt-right. I guess nobody here was troubled by his "humor", and everyone was pro-Disney-rehiring-Gunn? He was just Troma-level edgelording, right? Over and over and over? With some jokes that are just declarative statements and aren't even remotely funny, ergo, quite possibly are not jokes? As a contrast I read the Patten Oswalt joke about NAMBLA that Cernovich idiotically took out of context, and I genuinely laughed my ass off. Even though I suspect Oswalt's a creep, too. Still funny, still clearly a joke. Unlike Gunn's. Makes me wonder if Alefantis could've said those same "jokes" on Instagram and still had people here excuse it all away. They excused the "chickenlovers" quote-unquote joke, so why not. Joe even said he asked some gay friends if "chicken" was a thing and they told him no, which either indicates Joe's friends are extremely sheltered gays who've never heard American gay slang or they were fucking with Joe or they were hiding something from Joe or Joe was lying.

p.s. I'll add links to La Voisin here since that was essentially the Pizzagate of 17th century France.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Voisin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Bosse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Poisons

Extremely few portrayals of that whole thing in popular culture. Despite it being movie and literature gold. Gee, I wonder why.

[FourthBase]

Again, about the art...

There is a qualitative world of difference between 1) some RA survivor creating art therapeutically or some art school depressive being obsessed with a grim RA motif, versus 2) some DC power elites who hobnob with the Epsteins and Clintons of the world obsessed with the same art. CAN WE STOP FORGETTING THIS DISTINCTION, PLEASE. If you don't socialize with creepy power elites, no one is going to suspect you of anything just because of your taste in art, however disturbing the art.

This is a fair point, but you could stop short of saying "no one".

(That album is alright if you like music for driving really fast while skipping school)

OP ED was right. There are plenty of people out there beyond RI who will suspect you for having a taste in disturbing art. Sometimes, they're not even wrong. Furthermore: I'm going to suspect you now. All producers and consumers of disturbing art are suspect. The more obsessive the interest and the more disturbing the art, the more suspicious to me. All edgelord contemporary art: Suspicious. All horror movies: Suspicious. All "fascination" with the occult: Suspicious. All death metal music: Suspicious.

"But that means everyone here."*

Yep! You're all suspect!



This isn't me being a reactionary, although, yeah, it's technically a reaction to this board's blinded complacency. This is me provisionally taking a counterintuitive stance, which in the context of this board means being counterintuitive where the counterintuitive already reigns. Which means I'm going to sound pretty goddamned conventional. Gonna sound like a fucking witch hunter. Because, quite literally, I will be. Ready to be hunted?

*Including myself! Let's see, I'm not into horror movies, quite the opposite, I've seen very few, but I do like reading their summaries to get a sense of how fucking fucked up people's tastes are. My music tastes are fairly mainstream. Radiohead, Stereolab, P-Funk, Zeppelin, Janelle Monae...oh my god, I'm a transhumanist commie witch brainwashed by the Process Church! But seriously, I avoided shit like Slayer like the plague. I'm not into the occult, but I'm sympathetic toward a lot of Satanic criticisms of Christianity, and I'm kind of a pantheistic agnostic if that makes any sense, so, a little suspect. Literature? Meh. I once read Naked Lunch and fucking hated it. Not into edgelord literature, unless parts of Infinite Jest count. Oh and also I just read much of Mieville's The Weird anthology, which I liked. Art? Ahhh, that's where I used to be most suspect. I was a straight artfag for a while there while living in JP. Big fan of the Chapman Brothers. Went to all the big galleries in Manhattan, and only rarely ever thought, "Wait...this shit is fucked up."

So, how would I be able to defend myself from the accusation of being a satanic pedophile? Well, for starters, there's the fact that I think Pizzagate is substantially real and have tried to help expose the culprits. So...that's one way? If this evolved into a Salem or McCarthy situation then almost everybody would present themselves as being Pizzagate-believers, if only to avoid suspicion. But we're not there yet. Hardly.