Fuck Obama

[StarmanSkye]

8bit:
Yeah, I can see that logic, the sooner we hurry-up and hit rock-bottom the sooner we can throw-off the whole corporate-military-pradatory capitalist-globalist agenda mindset that is causing so much damage, wars, corruption, mismanagement, fraud, misery & idiocy. But I too don't have dependants, and besides that am an optimistic-fatalist. I just so totally despise mainstream political & social culture I've become kind of agnostic (or cynical?) about the whole lousy system.

Besides, I think the vote is rigged for those most-cleverly invested in it. We will get the result that has been selected for us to accept, nay?

Sure isn't much to be optimistic about.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

Irony Alert:
You think the president's bad now? Wait until he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

Heh.
I've wondered for some time now whether they actually do worry about "re-election" anyway...I just ain't sure if an election even occurs. Some kind of event occurs, to be sure, but it feels very orchestrated to me.
As always, sorry for the cynicism.

I agree. I think the show is not to get the people's votes, per se, but to keep them emotionally involved.

[2012 Countdown]

TPP(Trans Pacific Partnership), for example. Both of them will do as they are told. The Corporate Empire will roll on!
...and nevermind us lunatics that think/suspect the voting machines/process is rigged.
We are fucked.

[8bitagent]

Let me say I do not like Obama or agree with all of his policies but I will suggest you all get out there and vote for him because if Romney wins, unlikely but possible, a GOP controlled House and Republican president will gut everything and do some serious damage to this country. Again, Obama is not perfect and far from it but one of them is going to be our next President and I think Obama is the lesser evil right now, that isnt saying much but still.

I say bring it. We had a strong left in the late 60's opposing the government, and that was when a Democrat making gains and rights for black people was in the white house(who was, sadly also committing genocide in Vietnam) I support Occupy and pro union activism in Wisconsin, but I want to see more organized Americans. Didnt anyone see "Capitalism A Love Story"? Now as much as American liberals are thinking normal humans(unlike these religious conservaclowns and their leaders who think rape is a joke and dinosaurs are a hoax), why aren't they by and large seeing the bigger picture? A very gross monolithic statement, but they seem to allow the right to have these immensely interwoven action committees and action blocs.

Now I agree 100% with those saying these right wing clowns buying into Obama conspiracies and generally uneducated things are simply feeding from the trough of a script, with everyone(including Chris Matthews spritzing the audience with feigned indignation) playing their role. But sadly i also see the so called 'left' falling in line as tenants of the program motel.
They don't see how some things have gotten worse since Bush, meaning Obama has enacted some things even Bush never freaking pulled.

[compared2what?]

Let me say I do not like Obama or agree with all of his policies but I will suggest you all get out there and vote for him because if Romney wins, unlikely but possible, a GOP controlled House and Republican president will gut everything and do some serious damage to this country. Again, Obama is not perfect and far from it but one of them is going to be our next President and I think Obama is the lesser evil right now, that isnt saying much but still.

But that is used every damned election. Every fucking time. It may be true sometimes, but every time?

I'm sorry to say that's just been the political reality in the United States for a long time. Since WWII, approximately, although there are sometimes (usually?) other factors in play, too.

You have to bear in mind that the modern conservative movement is (by definition) traditionalist, so its agenda never really changes all that much. Consequently, on one side you have people who are basically aiming to return the country to the social and labor conditions of the late-19th/early-20th century, some of whom also at least pay lip service to isolationist foreign policies. And on the other, you have people whose main (and nowadays, practically only) selling-point is that they don't.

^^That's just an equation that inherently tends strongly towards lesser-of-two-evildom, absent a populist movement that's powerful enough to exact some concessions -- eg, the New Left and radicals in the 1960s; Ron-Paul-style "libertarianism" and the Tea Party now.

There's really almost no way to get wholesale political change (as sopposed to concessions) without the kind of lengthy, sustained violent conflict that you can't really have unless a lot of people are willing to work really hard to bring it about and then die fighting in it. Or....You know. I mean "if it's truly populist." Because you can definitely have wholesale change that purports to be populist without it, if it's a military or quasi-military fascist coup.

Anyway. There was some real potential (ie, organization, etc) for a populist uprising in the 1960s. But there really isn't right now, at all. What we've got now is more or less: Enough real potential for a quasi-military fascist coup to justify some real concern but not enough to make one inevitable, plus business as usual.

I can definitely understand why that alienates and angers people to the point that they're no longer willing to participate in a lesser-of-two-evils system. But it's kind of problematic that it does unless they're dropping out to work for a truly populist movement. Because a politically alienated and angry populace is one of the essential prerequisites for a military/quasi-military fascist coup. Classically so, even. And that's why....

....

Honestly, 2012 Countdown, and others, I really don't know what to say to you. I understand why you feel the way you do. I think your feelings are justified by reality. And I share them to a pretty considerable extent. But it's really not meaningless that there are people like Alex Jones working as hard as he and others do to make them implacable, or that they're using exactly the same kind of rhetoric, tactics and strategy for that effort as every fascist movement of the modern era, or that they all have so many affiliations and/or overlap with extreme right-wing, supremacist and/or fascist groups.

All of which is basically to say: Lesser of two evils, blah, blah, blah.

I'm sorry about that, though.

Mention the pivotal court selection choice too.

I hear that. It was probably the most pivotal political event of my lifetime, sad to say.

I'm sort of thinking we need to hit bottom and the sooner the better, but I can afford (or think I can) to be cavilier like that.
Just wait for the soon approaching horror. It comes. But thats a very risky bet I know. What if the people don't wake up? What if instead we go further down than is even imaginable?! Its possible.

Yes, no dependants. So I can afford to say 'lets just tank this shit now!' And I still hold it against that fucker in office now for the enormous wasted opportunity he had. Fuck!

I hear that, too. Nobody in that office is going to use the opportunity he or she gets by having it very differently, though -- probably ever, but definitely not unless a lot of people make a huge, ongoing effort to see that they do. And....IIRC, you and I disagree on this point. If so, please believe I mean no disrespect by this. But one of the many reasons that I've never trusted Ron Paul is that (imo) he encouraged his followers to believe otherwise way, way past any point that's plausible when you're starting from scratch with an existing system, unless you're willing to use very, very brutal tactics. Not excluding mass slaughter, really. So I thought (and, I guess, think) that he was being dishonest and irresponsible, at best. And evil, at worst.

I'd very much like to be proved wrong about that, however. So maybe life will pleasantly surprise me. You never know.

[compared2what?]

Let me say I do not like Obama or agree with all of his policies but I will suggest you all get out there and vote for him because if Romney wins, unlikely but possible, a GOP controlled House and Republican president will gut everything and do some serious damage to this country. Again, Obama is not perfect and far from it but one of them is going to be our next President and I think Obama is the lesser evil right now, that isnt saying much but still.

I say bring it. We had a strong left in the late 60's opposing the government, and that was when a Democrat making gains and rights for black people was in the white house(who was, sadly also committing genocide in Vietnam) I support Occupy and pro union activism in Wisconsin, but I want to see more organized Americans.

Great minds?

You're more succinct than I am, which I admire. And envy.

I'd add only that since it takes work (and therefore time) for that to happen, it's not a real possibility at this exact moment. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't ever be, though.

[compared2what?]

8bit:
Yeah, I can see that logic, the sooner we hurry-up and hit rock-bottom the sooner we can throw-off the whole corporate-military-pradatory capitalist-globalist agenda mindset that is causing so much damage, wars, corruption, mismanagement, fraud, misery & idiocy. But I too don't have dependants, and besides that am an optimistic-fatalist. I just so totally despise mainstream political & social culture I've become kind of agnostic (or cynical?) about the whole lousy system.

Besides, I think the vote is rigged for those most-cleverly invested in it. We will get the result that has been selected for us to accept, nay?

Sure isn't much to be optimistic about.

I agree. But non-optimism, by itself, doesn't actually lead to throwing off the stuff you want to throw off. And in the rhetorical form it's taking at the moment, it leads to fascism when it leads anywhere. So. While it might not lead anywhere, I guess I think that's worth bearing in mind.

[compared2what?]

Irony Alert:
You think the president's bad now? Wait until he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

Heh.
I've wondered for some time now whether they actually do worry about "re-election" anyway...I just ain't sure if an election even occurs. Some kind of event occurs, to be sure, but it feels very orchestrated to me.
As always, sorry for the cynicism.

I agree. I think the show is not to get the people's votes, per se, but to keep them emotionally involved.

Too true. Angry alienation from the system that takes the form of hating authority figures is fundamentally an emotionally involved response, though. Although that's actually fine, as far as it goes, if you ask me. I mean, people have emotions about the things they're involved in. It's kind of non-optional.

[Elihu]

i also see the so called 'left' falling in line as tenants of the program motel.
They don't see how some things have gotten worse

the transmission lines are utterly shattered and broken. today it is impossible for an unaffiliated person to be organically put forward "by the people", as a candidate for any kind of office. in lieu of recognizing this reality and dealing with it, the plebiscite accepts the duplicitous actions of elected officials by substituting a vague and erroneous identity construct such as "the left". the construct is able to be propped up by the existence of it's equally false alter ego - "the right". the plebiscite itself is the power base of the gang of elected officials while at the same time having nominal or zero influence over the actual wielding of government power. the concept of "lesser evil" and especially "the other side are idiots!" is the force that animates the dance.

so don't be disappointed in your friends. we are all pushing buttons and pulling levers that aren't connected to anything. besides, it's football season and there's a poetry reading somewhere...

[ninakat]

^^^ "so don't be disappointed in your friends" -- that's such good advice, really. I'm not even disappointed in my perceived enemies, honestly.

Until I stopped participating in the national election scam, I didn't realize that my neighbors (most of whom are Republicans) are actually people too. That was the clearest wake-up of all the wakings-up I've had in the last 8 years. Divide-and-conquer is such an overused cliche, often dismissed without a direct, practical application to one's real life... but when it hits home, then you might really get it.

I'm not too optimistic about the idea that the Obamabots will wake up if Romney becomes the next president. They'll just be fighting all the wrong battles, ad infinitum, while Rome burns. They'll probably even be the ones lighting the fires. Sorry to say.

[8bitagent]

The AJ right wing show makes me sick, but I thought this comment on the anti Obama page was interesting
(off the comment section on Prisonplanet, which is normally Tea Party/Christian apocalypse types/People off their meds/anti Semites)

Ho of Babylon says:
August 21, 2012 at 8:49 am

I don’t care what Obama’s stated politics as a college student were. In the first place, Obama’s backing originated with intelligence and there’s some very plausible reasons to think he was himself intelligence. so whatever Obama’s stated politics, there’s no real reason to think them genuine. But even if obama actually did believe in marxism in his college years, somewhere between now and then he acquired the backing of the ptb and he is a committed fascist.
PP, your constant attempts to stir up some red scare witchhunt for a nonissue like communism which has never had support in this nation, is really getting tiresome, and more than that it is fundamentally dishonest and does no favors to your readers.

[8bitagent]

Let me say I do not like Obama or agree with all of his policies but I will suggest you all get out there and vote for him because if Romney wins, unlikely but possible, a GOP controlled House and Republican president will gut everything and do some serious damage to this country. Again, Obama is not perfect and far from it but one of them is going to be our next President and I think Obama is the lesser evil right now, that isnt saying much but still.

I say bring it. We had a strong left in the late 60's opposing the government, and that was when a Democrat making gains and rights for black people was in the white house(who was, sadly also committing genocide in Vietnam) I support Occupy and pro union activism in Wisconsin, but I want to see more organized Americans.

Great minds?

You're more succinct than I am, which I admire. And envy.

I'd add only that since it takes work (and therefore time) for that to happen, it's not a real possibility at this exact moment. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't ever be, though.

Aw shucks, thanks...I'm just a punk artist kid who simply notices the difference between certain periods of leftist activism...the 60's and 70's I can only glimpse from documentaries(US vs John Lennon, Sir Yes Sir!, etc)
and then that odd 2000-summer 2001 period where the left in America and worldwide was fired up against globalization.

I remember by the mid 2000's so much organized leftist activism...but as we all know now, it was only because Georgey boy was in there. The PTB switch puppets, and as predicted the left is snoring like a tired lumberjack. But I can't make heads or tails...I'm almost willing to bet all of this sickening clownish GOP insanity and a super weak candidate in Mitt Romney is simply to coax Obama to victory. But a small part of me thinks another plan is afoot...one of economic collapse, mass violence and chaos in America, etc. I do see the anti Obama rhetoic getting ugly and scary by the Ted Nugents of the world and I find myself in the strange position to at once be criticizing Obama from a leftist position but then defending "him"(or the ideal) from right wingers.

[freemason9]

But that is used every damned election. Every fucking time. It may be true sometimes, but every time? Mention the pivotal court selection choice too.

I'm sort of thinking we need to hit bottom and the sooner the better, but I can afford (or think I can) to be cavilier like that.
Just wait for the soon approaching horror. It comes. But thats a very risky bet I know. What if the people don't wake up? What if instead we go further down than is even imaginable?! Its possible.

Yes, no dependants. So I can afford to say 'lets just tank this shit now!' And I still hold it against that fucker in office now for the enormous wasted opportunity he had. Fuck!

But.

We have a two-party system that may--may--be the only viable system for a nation of immigrants and great cultural diversity. The two-party system serves to prevent pluralities of fringe extremist groups (left or right) from coming to power. Oh, I know, I know . . . you'll go on and on about how the right wing IS in power. But it assuredly is not . . . this country is too volatile with diverse populations to ever go the National Socialist direction, or begin extolling the virtues of some Little Red Book.

The system we have infuriates the left and the right; like a pinball game, the paddles of restrictive republican-style democracy keep the ball bouncing in the playing area. The paddles flip furiously, but the ball stays in play. I believe wiser elements of our society recognize this uncomfortable fact and try to work with it.

Occasionally nuts come into power, that is true enough--but the nuts seem to eventually repulse the collective center enough that they are ultimately driven out. That's the way it has worked.

This may be a new era, when the Right (with the complicity of the Supreme Court) has discovered it can buy elections outright.

I believe Romney will win. Because of the money involved. Remember--in this era, the media is corporate and purchased. That is the key, and that is why Romney will win.

(Plus, you fuckers are too self-righteous to vote.)

[Elihu]

But.--- she's got a new hat!!!

this is gold:

The two-party system serves to prevent pluralities of fringe extremist groups (left or right) from coming to power.

translation: it could be worse!!! and because that's so, the two party system is really your friend. keep oooooooon votin'!!!!

(Plus, you fuckers are too self-righteous to vote.)

i feel a bit bad about this post in some ways. a capitulator calling the deluded to come join us. freemason, i hope your guy, like your football club, goes on to glorious victory!

[Hunter]

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