Can we take care of everyone ?

[philipacentaur]

Ive SEEN stuff that fucking works, so dont give me your bullshit, if you dont mind thankyou.

Where can others see stuff that fucking works?

[chlamor]

So nobody has any idea what slimmouse was so excited about, least of all slimmouse, but chiggerbit & orz would like a treehouse? For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.

Could you please speak specifically about some of your experiences with these "treehouses"? Could you extend from that experience to a deeper understanding of how various "alternative" dwellings ("treehouses" to the uninformed) can and are being used to house poor folk?

Could you also share your knowledge of how food systems could be re-structured to feed the vast majority of the planet?

Certainly you are eager to present the "more real and useful information" for the poor rubes around town.

[wintler2]

So nobody has any idea what slimmouse was so excited about, least of all slimmouse, but chiggerbit & orz would like a treehouse? For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.

Could you please speak specifically about some of your experiences with these "treehouses"? Could you extend from that experience to a deeper understanding of how various "alternative" dwellings ("treehouses" to the uninformed) can and are being used to house poor folk?

Could you also share your knowledge of how food systems could be re-structured to feed the vast majority of the planet?

Certainly you are eager to present the "more real and useful information" for the poor rubes around town.

Umm, i didn't introduce the treehouses and don't know of any organised use in housing poor folks (apart from the ongoing subsidies for unsustainable forestry, and the traditional use of timber from commons).

If you are trying to highlight my lack of solutions or that i don't spam this list with more-sustainable suggestions for reform, then its a fair comment.

The main reason i don't is that this board has a 'deep politics' focus, not eg. potential for distributed electricity generation, likely growing conditions in 2020 in SE Aus, or aquaponics for temperate climates. And there are far far far better places to look for that kind of information, i like energybulletin.net, realclimate.org, theoildrum.com . For many in-home more-sustainable adaptations the local context & conditions are critical in picking between strategies or technologies, an international board could only ever make a dogs breakfast of it (so i belong to roeoz@yahoogroups and am modestly active in meatspace here in Melbourne).

I nearly only post when someone is posting content i know and can show to be flawed and misleading. Despite knowing plenty about oil depletion i barely ever raised it on this board until certain posters started spamming 'peak oil is a scam'. I called their bluff and they ran, spouting obscenities much the way slimmouse does whenever i question his claims.

Ill tell you what Wintler. I resolved a while back now to try and be far more civil to my fellow RIers.
But with you Im gonna make an exception.
Go fuck yourself, you irritable denialist.
Ive SEEN stuff that fucking works, so dont give me your bullshit, if you dont mind thankyou.

Note that all i was doing was asking for the barest explanation of what he is pushing, what exactly is the 35 pound OXFAM widget he is advertising. Gosh, what a bad man i am.

[slimmouse]

Ive SEEN stuff that fucking works, so dont give me your bullshit, if you dont mind thankyou.

Where can others see stuff that fucking works?

I'll tell you what phil.

You can come to the UK, and I can show you lots of stuff that works. Lots of stuff.

I could actually show you videos and pics. But of course that would just be "meyeresque" bullshit.

Incidentally, I did ( to be fair to wintler) recently learn that the electronic patents that Stan Meyers filed were critically flawed.

That said, dont try and tell me that you cant run a lawn mower on water.

Peak Oil is a lie for the simple reason that, with relatively minute amount of R&D, we can very quickly get to the point that we dont fucking need oil.

Now then, how does that fit into your perception of what is coming our way ?

[orz]

"Stuff" that "Works" you say!? How remarkable!

What are you on about?

[slimmouse]

"Stuff" that "Works" you say!? How remarkable!

What are you on about?

Im on about denying the sacred first law of thermodynamics, which is basically the biggest pile of bullshit created.

Small wonder when you understand who benefits from such laws.

Use your imagination

[chlamor]

Peak Oil is a lie for the simple reason that, with relatively minute amount of R&D, we can very quickly get to the point that we dont fucking need oil.

Just for the record what you state is incongruous with what is being discussed when speaking about "Peak Oil." The underlying premise of peak oil is that WE ARE using and REQUIRING copious amounts of oil with no foreseeable replacements coming on line to replace current levels of consumption.

Add to this that in many places the infrastructure for a more graceful powerdown has been cannibalized.

So, yes if we didn't use oil at all the concept of 'Peak Oil' would never have arisen but that's not reality. Saying that it is a lie is an entirely different thing.

Now of course we should also include power relations in the discussion if we are talking seriously about solutions. Certain developers, meaning banks as well LOL, might resist the idea of the changes we would like to see and the cops tend to side with them.

[orz]

Haha i thought that might be what you were angling at, but I kind of hoped you were talking about real alternative technology... oh well.

Small wonder when you understand who benefits from such laws.

Well, we all benefit from them, in that the earth doesn't melt and catch fire and explode due to magical Steorn energy appearing from nowhere.

There's such a thing as taking kneejerk antiestablishmentarianism too far. When you're disagreeing with THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS just because they strike you as inconvenient, it's time to take a big step back and look at yourself.

Hey gravity is just a theory too right?

[slimmouse]

Just for the record what you state is incongruous with what is being discussed when speaking about "Peak Oil." The underlying premise of peak oil is that WE ARE using and REQUIRING copious amounts of oil with no foreseeable replacements coming on line to replace current levels of consumption.

Well of course it is.

But what I am saying, is that for relative peanuts in R&D, we can move totally away from any kind of dependence on the Blood of Mother Earth. (Oil)

So, given that this is without question the case, why arent we doing that ?

You can run a lawnmower on water power. Nothing else required. Just water. Do we have any of that around in abundance ?

The above statements are based upon proveable truths, not bullshit laws of thermodynamics.

[orz]

You can run a lawnmower on water power.

How? If it's possible, it certainly obeys the laws of thermodynamics, and if you believe it doesn't you better have a pretty good reason!

[slimmouse]

You can run a lawnmower on water power.

How? If it's possible, it certainly obeys the laws of thermodynamics, and if you believe it doesn't you better have a pretty good reason!

Wintler will probably explain it to you

[philipacentaur]

You can run a lawnmower on water power.

Show me how.

[orz]

Show me how.

I READ IT ON SOME WEBSITE LOL THE LAWZ OF THERMODYNAMICS IS A ZIONIST PLOT!!!

[chlamor]

You can run a lawnmower on water power. Nothing else required. Just water.

Let's assume this is true. Who cares?

You're asking the wrong question right from the start.

Do away with the lawn and your problem's solved. And then when used wisely said "lawn" produces food.

This example is actually quite minor but relates more broadly to the technological fix as the solution to the technological problem.

And then there's the mining...

Do we have any of that around in abundance ?

Not in Atlanta, where there are lots of lawns.

[philipacentaur]

I don't mow my lawn, anyway. Screw the landlord.