Playing Semantics w/ the Eisenhower Farewell Speech

[slimmouse]

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001660

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. […] Is there no other way the world may live?

–Dwight David Eisenhower, “The Chance for Peace,” speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Apr. 16, 1953.

That is one awesome quote Ian. Thanks for finding that.

Thanks also to Hugh for his meat on the bones of the warmongers. Filling out the meat also explains how the Nazis were financed into very existence by the same small few and their descendents who have been playing humanity in the divide and rule game for millenia, whilst milking profits from both their labour and their ignorance

And they say a few people cant rule the world ?

Go behind the curtain, and up the tree, and you find that indeed they can, and indeed they do.

Its a piece of cake.

[FourthBase]

Doodad
Guest

Thank you lord.

[8bitagent]

Ike was indeed warning us about the total infiltration of the "military-industrial complex" and even though he didn't say it he also meant "beware the CIA.".

This old WWII general realized that Allen Dulles' CIA and the Nazi-supporting Wall Street/Council on Foreign Relations types along with actual Nazis had taken over the US government right out from under his nose after he thought he'd defeated the Reichstag, just as USAF Col. L. Fletcher Prouty described in his 1973 book,
'The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World.'

That's why Ike surprised everyone with his warning on live TV in January, 1961 as he handed the White House over to JFK who found out just how right Ike was in Dallas.

You got it, 100% on the mark man.

As far as John Birch, strange how they went from commie obsessors to Alex Jones like guys talking about this very millitary industrial US power behind 9/11 and taking over the world.

[8bitagent]

So there's no such thing as being anti-fascism but not anti-war.

In your worldview perhaps but only war has ever been able to end fascism. It doesn't go away when you say pretty please.

What happens when the same people "fighting fascism" are being funded and puppeteered by the same ones manipulating and puppeteering the fascists?

[8bitagent]

Quotin' Dood:

"In your worldview perhaps but only war has ever been able to end fascism. It doesn't go away when you say pretty please."

I think Ike was speaking to trying to prevent facism arising in our own country, to not let those factions get a hold of our society, so that we could avoid a civil war here. No one suggested 'saying pretty please' as a way to end oppressive regimes, facist or otherwise.

Pretty please is just my way of offering up the absurdity of thinking that all war is avoidable and thus to be anti-war is to be in league with all who claim to be anti-war but who are in reality "no war ever for any reason." While it's a lovely sentiment it's unrealistic on occasion.

Obviously in Iraq and Afghanistan it could have realistically been avoided.

I can't think of any war in modern American history NOT based on lies:

Afghanistan: the setup of 9/11

Iraq: the setup of the Baathists in the 80's by the neocons, who ended up lying to get back in there

Vietnam: Gulf of Tonkin lie

WW2: Wallstreet, corporations and london financial creating and building up Hitler, creating a Fabian socialist versus Fascist manipulated war...in what I believe was all about creating a UN, nuclear age, and Israel as well as a new world power
These same corporate elites tried to create fascism in 1933 in America with Prescott Bush helping to run the show, a man who'd end up funding Hitler. the FDR administration did all it could to provoke Japan, then allowed it to happen and stood down.

WW1: Order of the Black Hand secret society used to kill Archduke ferdinand by the same elites who would insist on the Lusitania being sent to an already prewarned German waters

1898 Spanish American war: The lie of the USS Maine

Korea:

Dr. Channing Liem, the former South Korean ambassador to the UN (1960-1961) wrote: “For Washington, the question, ‘who fired the first shot?’ carried special significance…. Assistant Secretary of State for UN Affairs…[revealed] before the Senate Appropriations Committee, 1950, the US had devised a plan prior to the start of the war to gain approval from the UN to send its troops to Korea under the UN flag in the event that South Korea was attacked. It was imperative, therefore, that the ‘first shot’ be fired by the North, or at least that such an argument could be made.”

OK President Syngman Rhee triggered the war “with behind the scene support of John Foster Dulles,” the former-U.S. Secretary of State who met Rhee (June 18, 1950) just days before the pretext incident. Dulles told Rhee that “if he was ready to attack the communist North, the U.S. would lend help, through the UN…. He advised Rhee…to persuade the world that the ROK was attacked first, and to plan his actions accordingly.”52


Grenada: A total setup, a staged coup, and a bunch of lies

Panama: more lies, staged attacks, etc all so Bush could take out his former CIA drug kingpin, change Bush Sr's wimpy image, and
get further control of the latin american region.

Remember that from 1950 til the 80's, the CIA was directly involved in genocides and brutal coups that left millions dead in Latin America, SouthEast Asia, etc